/lit/ - Literature

>>16356356
Don't forget your pills

>>16356356
I want to but I live in USA and the rent is too damn high. I would need at least $1M to drop out and be comfy. That way I can invest it all in dividend paying stocks and get like 4% return every year.

>>16356356
What will you do for work?

>>16356366
I got off them as well, SNRI helped for a bit but I will overcome without

>>16356371
Just ask your dad for a small $1 million interest-free loan.

>>16356371
>>16356376
I will likely find part time work at some store or restaurant just to socialize a bit, but I have skills to work remotely

>>16356356
I'm trying to quit porn right now, read in the morning. If I didn't need a computer for school and phone for social interaction I would fucking smash them both and force myself to go through the weeks of withdrawal so I could be free. Once I have the money and time I'm going innawoods like Uncle Teddy with just a set of weights/barbell and a fuck ton of books.

>>16356387
One of the greatest things I ever did was toss my smartphone. All you need is a flip phone.

>>16356385
Nah, I will do it on my own. There are missed opportunities every day, doubly so in the realm of finance. It's just a matter of finding and exploiting those opportunities. Already 1/4 the way there. I WILL make it, and I will live the /lit/ lifestyle in my cozy apartment. Its just a matter of time. Do not underestimate the power of positive thought.

>>16356394
It's a good idea honestly but I'm a zoomer so it's hard to seem normal without social media and this bullshit. As soon as I'm done with all I genuinely need to do to make sure I'm not fucking my life up by exiting society for awhile I'm just going to leave it all.

>>16356417
>>16356417
I'm 21 man. Just ditch it. I still have FB messenger to talk on the computer with people, just no profile or smartphone. Its completely doable.

>>16356417
You don't need any of that shit, anon. Just pull the plug.

>>16356356
Well you really ousted yourself as an incel with this post. jesus you're only going to make yourself even more of a freak with this "le ebin no technology and stoicism :^)" larp.

why not try and do something socially respectable like going to clubs, building a social media presence, etc.? seriously if girls find out you don't have an gram or tiktok they'll just assume you're the pedo loser altright weeaboo you probably look like.

>>16356402
Based /biz/raeli

>>16356428
>>16356451
I will then, very soon. Probably in the next weeks or so; there's still some stuff I need to use it for in the immediate future but I'll try not to put it off.

IS THAT

>>16356455
built

>>16356476
Don’t talk about my princess that way

>>16356356
im in the exact same boat
I thought people staying in the same room was a meme because you need food but I haven't left in 3 weeks and have subsisted on canned meat, peanut butter, apples and wafers

>>16356455
>>16356455
bait, im no incel. asceticism isn't some new incel ideology, friend

>>16356476
for

>>16356356
You are not alone, OP. You, like me and many other people are taking similar paths. It may be because of the COVID and the mass confinement that has taken place. People have realised that it is not bad at all to be alone at home.
I also believe that the idea of "isolation and personal growth in solitude" is over-emphasized. From time to time social pressures can come that have no external stimulus, this is a sign of the very psyche that is asking you to socialize. Being lonely is one thing, being completely isolated is another and I don't think it's healthy. .

>>16356356
Good luck anon, but make sure you cultivate some productive hobbies other than reading and writing. Reading and writing is often challenging and mentally exhausting. It's important to have something else (non-degenerate) to fill your time when you just don't feel like working on your primary hobbies.

Hopefully, one hobby that is physical and healthy, and another that involves some level of socializing.

>>16356381
taking
>Strategic
>Naval
>Research
>Institutes
ngmi.

>>16356417
>I'm a zoomer so it's hard to seem normal without social media and this bullshit.
Stop caring what the masses think

>>16356394
I want the boringphone because I still need maps and would like to keep the luxury of a decent camera always being with me

>>16356978
This.
I need maps and a pocketful of music more than messaging.

>>16357101
>>16356978
OP here, huge music listener and I was worried about not being able to use music whenever I wanted, but it actually has made music a lot more special. I can only listen at home on my headphones, so its really makes you appreciate it a lot more. You are also much more in the moment without a phone and the ability to look at it whenever you're not doing something else

can’t be a hermit with internet access

>>16356356
>Sweden
Top comfy, I wanna move there too someday. After I get a Finnish gf, that is.

>>16357164
not with all the immigrants, luckily im moving out to the farmlands

What's the easiest country in Europe for American immigrants to get citizenship in outside of the UK?

>formed a firm set of beliefs that I live by
Fucking how? The more I expand my horizons and read the less concretely I believe anything, I feel like I just adjust my beliefs based on whoever I last read. Everything I believe in and desire for the future of society and my nation is contradictory and nonsensical.

>>16356356
You should read The Recognitions

>>16357357
I just weighed the different things you can value against each other i suppose. A lot has to do with relationships, sex, friendships, family, how to live practically. its formed over a few years of finding out what i really want in life

Based ascetic anon.

Make the time worth it; being NEET mode without applying that time to a skill or knowledge is such a dire waste.

>>16357411
thats why im going to work part time so i get some real world interaction, while everything else is put into learning and making music

>>16356356
I want to live social media because everything is Jezebels being Jezebels and people trying to call attention towards them. I cleansed meme pages from my FB and left only Goon stuff. But I been struggling because I work in advertising and I kinda need to be “within” the system

>>16357426
advertising is a fake job, stop supporting this system we're in

>>16356517
Please go shopping for some real food. I get enough food for two weeks then never leave my house. Rinse and repeat.

>>16357116
>>16357101
>>16356978
Plenty of dumb phones on the market that have mp3 players built in. Also, if you want a separate device, check out the Sansa Clip+. Tiny as balls.

>>16357445
I was actually planning to run out of food to force myself to be more sociable and go to places

>>16356356
>all I want to do is isolate myself
>and read
Poser.

>>16356356
whats on your reading list?

>>16357506
your diary desu

>>16357484
Brah, just go to the local grocery store with your favorite snacks in mind and get a few recipes worth of food at the same time. No need to give yourself little mind games to convince yourself to do things.

Don't worry about being sociable - I'm sure you will be. Just worried you're not getting proper nutrients. Also, take it from someone who doesn't leave his house for months sometimes: the lack of sunlight will make you feel tired after like 8 months. If you're gonna be like me, remember to take vitamin d supplements. You'll know wether you'll need them if you do a blood test.

I don't want to work. I don't want to work. I don't want to work. I don't want to work. I don't want to work. I don't want to work.

>>16356356
I’m trying to do something similar. I have autism and bipolar type 1, so I was thinking about getting on social security and going full NEET. I refuse to becoming a slave for some business I don’t care about, and the last time I tried to go to school I had a manic episode and tried to off myself. I just want to read philosophy and literature until I die.

>>16357511
I take supplements and I will have to start commuting to uni which is a 30min walk
i quess I will be phasing out of hermit hole

>>16357539
Good. Just wanted to make sure you were alright :)

>>16357573
thank you :)

>>16357573
>>16357583
wholesome. can i be frens too :)

>>16357599

>>16357599
yes :)
even if your intention is covertly malicious :O

>>16357603
>>16357610

>>16356978
>>16357101
Why do you need maps constantly available to you? Are kids really this retarded now?

I like my social media, games and my distractions. Doesn't keep me from reading and doing other shit that I like. Fuck the police

>flyttar ut
>till söder

har du en dödsönskning?

>>16358528
>sk*ne
vgh

>>16356356
that is nice, anon.
I am thinking about doing kinda the similar thing and focus on my studying+self developing/improving
I think this is also crucial to create working/studying space and separately space where you relax,eat, etc. I often have to study on my computer but it is pretty hard to do because I used to mindlessly scrolling and surfing on it
So I decided to move studying and working to my laptop and do stuff there without checking social media or something else what distracts me.
I would like to delete all social media too but I have to communicate with my classmates there and there are a lot of necessary and useful information about studying. However, deleting shit like insta/twitter was a very good decision.
I also thinking about starting something creative like music, will see how it goes.
good luck anon

>>16357202
What have your interactions with them been? I 100% agree that there are too many but atleast in the main streets of Stockholm things are alright.

>>16356356
I’m going to do the same thing and then gradually introduce myself to non-addictive resources of the internet

>>16356428
where u from

>>16356356
>deleted all games
>deleted all social media and online distractoins
>in the process of forming a belief system
>moved out of my mom's place, got a cheap 1 bedroom apartment
me to a T

>anyone else going hermitmode?
yes
unfortunately i'm a student as well. i fucked my studies up and don't know if i'm gonna be able to salvage my bachelor's degree. nevertheless i wanna get a job and save so i can move the fuck away and be alone for once. independence is much vaunted

>>16356356
>Currently on day 2 of a 7-10 day fast.
>Gave up porn
>Meditate daily.
I should really drop social media but eh, too lonely to not talk to you faggots and browse thots.
Also not picked a language yet which i wanted to do.

>>16356550
BJD
(Big Jannie Delete)

>>16358827
Meant for >>16356561

>>16358820
if it's a choice between going here and socializing with people you know, then you should opt to quit 4chan.

How are you gonna convert your appartment if you barely have a job? How did you get an appartment without having a job?

>>16356356
>Sweden
Oh I feel sorry for you, old sport. I truly do. But why not move somewhere else? Within EU you have complete freedom of movement.

>>16356387
I freaking feel this. I'd smash both these cunts into oblivion but I need them currently to run my business and do online banking. If I could free myself of this responsibility, I'd kill to just get away from it all and burn this addiction away, just so that I could start feeling normal again.

>>16358936
Not him But for me its the language problem, and the only Englushspeaking country just left.

>>16359012
Please don't forget about Ireland and Malta.

>>16356455
You speak like a demon who takes pride in the fact that he wades in the feces that is his low vibration existence. Cease.

>>16359012
>Not him But for me its the language problem, and the only Englushspeaking country just left.
I understand and that is indeed a valid concern. I must inform you that learning a language is no biggie though. Google Stephen Krashen and visit us at /int/ on our /lang/ general. We'll get you sorted out real quick. You shall be speaking a foreign language of your choice on a B1 level minimum in 6 months time at most.
I expect to see you in our thread, old sport!

>>16359040
I know part german, But i do t wanna go to Germany, also i think Maybe England will still be some what open, with a few more hoops perhaps.

Also i like Sweden, i live among the immigrants and I love them. And I love how well developed this country is.

>>16359053
>i live among the immigrants and I love them
that's gonna be a yikes from me dawg

>>16356356
>going hermit mode in southern Sweden
>literally nothing but rapeseed fields and Muslim ghettos
>meanwhile northern Sweden is nothing but endless forests and abandoned homesteads

Enjoy your immigrants, poser pseud.

>>16359065
Yikes ahead, literally no person has died from grenade attacks, and they happen because of a loophole in the law, if i shoot at you, i am in for attempted murder and assault. If I blow up a grenade in your yard, i get illegal detonation, and skate through court.

>>16359091
>if i shoot at you, i am in for attempted murder and assault. If I blow up a grenade in your yard, i get illegal detonation,
this is actually worse than I thought

>>16359099
Fair point, they talk about fixing it, I dont get why they take so long... I guess it Follows procedure...

>>16359107
I don't really hate migrants or anyone though, I just wish the state actually took some efforr to deal with criminals and violence instead of pretending everything is fine

>>16359133
imagine if fox news and cnn was your national broadcasting company, thats SVT (Sveriges Television)

>>16359053
Are you a fellow mali chad?

>>16359388
>fox news
Surely you mean MSNBC or something

>>16359440
No, are you?

>>16359557
Yes, but I am no longer in Sweden.

>>16359708
Based, tired of tall feminists? I feel you, i wanna get myself a nice shorter, Maybe italian, or southern french girl

>>16356387
This is the most 4chan post i have ever seen
This fitlitfag want to live his anarcho prim neet lifestyle after completely abandoning all of societys expectations of him
Weve made it
This is the precursor to the ubermensch
All thats left is to manifest it by making our dreams a reality

>>16357746
yes, I literally cannot find my way around without someone giving me instructions

>>16359766
Name one thing wrong with his post

>>16356417
I am also a zoomer and havent had social media (besides disc to talk to like one guy, gave up vidya ages ago, and 4chan, for, well, you know) since 9th grade.
Its not an understatement you are entirely isolated. They treat you as less than human, most outright ignore you if you try and talk to them. Its freeing.
Now when i talk to a few zoomer they look at me as if a god. I have spent my time reading and learning languages, listening to music and composing poetry, i have outmatched them, and they feel the difference burned into their souls

>>16356402
the /lit/ lifestyle is not sitting around and smelling your own farts in some tacky apartment lol

>>16359781
I cant
How did my post not come off as a complement?
I called him an ubermensch i agree with everything there

>>16359766
No the smartphone is just a gay and useless time sink, check your usage stats and youll be surprised how much fucking free time you burn on it. I switched to a flip for a year and realized i didnt need apps at all, only switched back since my job requires me to use certain apps

>>16356356
>Many who on earth wished to enjoy a divine life, have said with one voice: Lo, then would I wander far off, and remain in the wilderness." (Psalms 55:7.)

>>16356550
Always has been

>>16359783
What kind of schizo rambling is this. No zoomer cares about literature or complex music. You are just projecting.

>>16356356
With my upcoming work schedule, potentionally moving out on my own, my workplace and me going to the gym, I just might, as well. And I deserve it.

Planning on doing the same. Waste too much of my life on r3ddit/4chan. I'd get rid of my smartphone if I didn't use Maps and music apps everyday (spotify, music theory, guitar tuner, metronome, etc.).

I basically stopped playing vidya and have been focusing more on my hobbies. However, I'm still addicted to 4chan/r3ddit and porn, and I hate that about myself. Ted was right, technology only
serves to enslave us, not liberate us.

>>16356356
ive been hermit-mode for 4 years now and im done w this bs. all i did was create music and read and now im broke and no one listens to my music plus im surrounded by idiots. reading just feels like a cope to trick my brain into thinking its doing something worthwhile which perhaps is true considering the retard shit most people spend their time on. probably should give up and do something useful but i hate fucking waging.

>>16356356
As long as you are actually committing to your creation and you have or are creating a stable source of income, that’s a good plan.
>>16356455
He didn’t say anything about wanting a relationship or wanting social respectability. All he wants to do is read and create. This plan would be a good base for what he wants to do. Also, asceticism can be practiced in many different ways and it can be helpful, you don’t need to become a social recluse to implement asceticism into your life. You can fast, abstain, avoid tv, etc.

>>16359758
Very nice I might do something like that, Somali Diaspora girls piss me off they have no respect for our culture or religion.

>>16359805
The stats say I spend an average of 7 hours a day on the phone. Fuck me.

>>16360358
Oh i thought you were from Mali i had a somali friend when i was younger, everytime i met him outside he had a giant entourage younger siblings around him

>>16356356
>deleted all games
based
>deleted all social media & online distractions
based, except you're posting on 4chan
>formed a firm system of beliefs that I live by
cringe
>moving out of my mom's place, got a cheap 1 bedroom apartment in southern Sweden which will be converted to a study space/home music studio
cringe

just leach off your mom

>>16356455
keep seething faggot, i've fucked more girls since going /fit/lit/fb-free/ than you in your whole life

>>16360022
>Maps
the only valid thing. get an old smartphone
>muh music apps
get a sansa or old ipod
>music theory
get a book and a keyboard
>guitar tuner
pick up a damn landline
>metronome
get an ear metronome, cheap as fuck
all your excuses are lies

>>16359975
Remember to reserve nice place on the cementary grandpa. Maybe try leaving your bedroom window open to get accustomed to the coldness of earth.

>>16356356
>southern Sweden
That's your problem. Move to Norway.

>>16359998
What does this even mean? Books are literally the least popular form of art. If you show that you are knowledgeable in that topic you will be identified as a nerd not as someone to be like.

>>16356356
Are you near Kalmar my man?

I fell for the hermit meme. I canceled my internet when I got my first job out of college in 2014. I was living alone in a 1br apartment in a small ski resort town. I waged, then lifted, then trained jiu jitsu 5 days a week. I put on 10 lbs of muscle. By the time I had cooked and eaten dinner every night it was 10pm. I maintained this for about a year and a half when the mania turned to depression. My body and mind were at their breaking points. Tyler Durden was right: self improvement is masturbation. The meaninglessness of this lifestyle finally overwhelmed me. There was a painful and confusing relationship with a girl. I thought about killing myself every night for 9 months. I would sneak with my laptop, like a junky, into the grocery store to get a fix of internet. Somehow I managed to keep my job as a functioning depressive. Philosophy was the only thing that I could focus on, it was the only thing that felt meaningful. Finally I had a dream that broke the spell. The climax of the dream was when, in the form a child, I asked a demon whether or not it thought life was "strange and terrible or OK." In a loud, quick, and droning voice that came from inside my ears it responded, "STRANG AND TERRIBLE." The child (me) was surprised, paused for a moment, gave the demon a hug and said, "im sorry." When I woke up, I shaved my beard and emerged from the darkness over the next few weeks. I had to allow myself to become a child again.
I discovered Schopenhauer's philosophy and it was a huge relief.
It aligned my thoughts and feelings towards life. I went vegan and have been so for about a year. Asceticism still appeals to me, but isolation is inhuman. And the ideal of "I just want to create" is another lifestyle trap that is being marketed. Suffering and working are given in this life. The only possibility for redemption is if these are in service to others. I recently discovered Tolstoy's writings on Christianity and I have been tossing them around in my head this week. I've been following Christ's commandments for a week so far. Giving to charity, signing up to volunteer at a homeless shelter, and denying desires of the flesh. It's difficult, but putting insights into action feels right. I wonder how far I can take it....

>>16360672
Self improvement is only masturbation if you see it as an end rather than a means to achieve a fulfilling life

>>16360672
>go into complete social isolation
>hurr durr why am I depressed now

retard

>>16360672
>the ideal of "I just want to create" is another lifestyle trap that is being marketed
based, this shit is shilled hard on 4chan, twitter, reddit, trannies
>'ve been following Christ's commandments for a week so far
yikes

>>16356455
kys zoomer

>>16360672
> self improvement is masturbation
okay, based so far
> I went vegan and have been so for about a year
anon, I ...

>>16356356
>in southern Sweden
So, easy mode then.

>>16362206
if its available, why not?

>>16362194

>>16360672
Make your life an adventure, try new things, meet new people, it's a good thing to have healthy habits but constant unending repetition kills your humanity.

>>16362250
Killing animals for food is not cruelty.
Animals killing other animals for food is not cruelty.

>>16362391
I fish and hunt. But I'm vegan otherwise. The modern meat and dairy industry are obviously cruel.

>>16356356
Please spend time outdoors and lift weights or do rigorous bodyweight exercises. I want you to be healthy, anon.

>>16363952
i am very physically fit. mentally, ehhh..

>>16363958
Meditate. I'm not joking. Sit completely still either crosslegged or kneeling for thirty minutes with your gaze on one point and let your mind freak out. Watch what it does.

>>16362194
You know what's based, not being a hiveminded faggot

>>16359030
>You speak like a demon
You would know, schizo

>>16360672
You know what the synthesis is? We should form collectives, live off the land in permaculture, and be like modern monasteries...

>deleted all social media & online distractions
>online distractions
>still posts on 4chan

>>16357357
>I feel like I just adjust my beliefs based on whoever I last read

>>16356356
Godspeed OP. I moved to rural Spain many years ago and I have never looked back. Don't just go all out on "productive" endeavours, that's an easy ticket into burnout. At first I wanted to read and write and work and do everything, but it's pointless and you just become >>16360672 . Take it easy, being a hermit means you get to set your own pace. I removed all clocks from my house and just do things whenever I feel like it.

Internet addiction is real. Expect to get severe withdrawal symptoms, anxiety and the like. Meditate often, if you want to live by yourself you must be at peace with your thoughts. Be kind, because meaning is often found in doing for other people. And never forget why you left in the first place.

>>16366483
>I moved to rural Spain many years ago

How did it go anon? How do you sustain yourself? Very much interested

>>16360672
filtered

>>16356356
based as fuck...


genuinely jealous

>>16360358
are you a lightbulb head

>>16366884
>How did it go?
The first month was living hell. I was going through such a withdrawal that I had to get rid of the clocks because the ticking was bouncing inside my skull. Gradually, I got accustomed to the lack of stimulation, and began to settle into my new life. I took long walks in nature, and learned how to fish in a river nearby. I made a vegetable garden, and later on a flower garden. My quality of life improved dramatically.

The good? I'm very healthy, both physically and mentally. All the exercise, sun and fresh vegetables, poultry and fish have done wonders. I haven't felt anxiety or depression in almost a decade. I got my attention span back as well, now I can read for more than 5 minutes without getting a headache.

The bad? The days blend in with each other. I can't tell which month or which year I'm living in anymore. Sometimes I miss intimacy really hard, and I don't know how to find a woman that's willing to share my lifestyle. My internet connection is shit, and the electricity supply is unreliable, but the goverment taxes the hell out of me if I dare to put solar panels.

>How do you sustain yourself?
I'm the IT department of all the local businesses. They are all run by boomers that fear computers more than God himself, so I make sure everything runs smoothly and they have to worry about nothing. It doesn't pay much and I barely put a day of real work a week, but living here is dirt cheap, so I coast by.

>>16367465
Why don't you get a religious girl where you live?

>>16356371

Move to Mexico

>>16356356
Similar

>deleted social media years ago
>using WhatsApp ever since
>caved and made an Instagram again just to follow girls if they ask
>keep the app deleted though and don't browse the feed
>trying to avoid porn and 4chan (only on here now as I'm relapsing)
>play guitar and read books every day
>next step move out

>>16367493
There only was one woman that was single and in my age range. She was very friendly to me, but she stayed for a month and then left.

>>16367465
Are you actually Spanish? Living in rural Spain sounds peak comfy

>>16367815
Do girls actually ask if you have social media? This has never happened to me.

>>16367965
Usually they're just asking because they just want the follow back. When I deleted Instagram girls would ask if I had it, I'd say no and they would just sound really disappointed as if they associate a lack of social media presence as a lack of social status.

>>16367959
Yeah, I'm a Spaniard. There are some extremely comfy things which I did not expect. If you leave the house door open, it means you are home and you are inviting everybody to come and hang out. People plant more produce than they can consume, so they can gift it to their neighbours. Things like that.

>>16368025
>as if they associate a lack of social media presence as a lack of social status.
Possibly, but I think they're just addicted to it and get sad they can't get their stalking fix from you (assuming they're interested in you to some extent). From my experience, every girl online is a silent stalker. One of the several reasons I deleted all my social media was because I knew every girl that liked me would scrutinize my profiles, my posts, and overanalyse them. Or maybe I just attract psycho bitches.

I kind of have to. I've been trying to quit porn on and off for years, but basically it's a subset of internet addiction - it wouldn't be a problem otherwise. It's not just porn, though. I can barely finish books any more. My attention span is shot from constant browsing. I need to go somewhere with no internet.

I actually have access to a place, but I've been delaying. I have over 100GB of music and over 600 individually chosen books archived. No video, because it's basically junk entertainment, but I might make an exception for some "difficult" films like Last Year at Marienbad. Definitely no TV series.

I've never used social media and I don't use a phone any more, so that's settled. If I ever live in a city again, I might need access to taxi apps and food delivery apps, so that's a problem, but it's a problem for another day. Or year.

>>16367496
Is this an invitation or a threat i cannot tell

>>16368364
Either way it's dangerous.

NSFW Mexican cartel Gore
>>>/gif/17890967

>>16357533
>I have autism and bipolar type 1
Yikes, do you have actual autism (aspergers) or just meme autism?

>>16357533
>a manic episode and tried to off myself.
The last year I went to school was horrible. I never felt so lonely... So so out of place and despondent.

>>16360022
learn urge surfing, it' ll save your life anon

>>16368747
what's that

>>16356356
>the rope approaches

>>16368753
techniques to help ride out the craving
Eventually the waves subside and it becomes manageable

hermitmode and self-improvement lifestyles are memes

Once you get rid of "distractions", you still have to make a life. Simply reading what you believe to be a "higher" form of media all day is just as alienating and soulless as regular consooming after a certain point, because you don't exist as a person.

Focusing on mechanical improvements like your diet or meditation or habits or whatever else is missing the forest for the trees. If these things don't help you actually live as a person and have meaningful interactions with others or make decisions that have consequences, it's quite pointless and you'll be back to square one in no time.

Wanting to ditch a smartphone for a dumbphone or worse still, a limited smartphone marketed for this purpose is probably the funniest symptom of this distorted thinking. Instead of addressing the fundamental problem (lack of direction, initiative, and self-control), you opt for something easy to control (a purchase) that merely works as a band aid, and robs you of a tool that could actually reduce the clutter in your life or help you take advantage of some of the beautiful aspects that life has to offer.

>>16369140
based

>>16369140
>and robs you of a tool that could actually reduce the clutter in your life or help you take advantage of some of the beautiful aspects that life has to offer.
I retract my post, you are completely absorbed in the illusion of civilization. Your perspective is as skewed and alienating as self-improvement.

>>16356356
>moving out of my mom's place, got a cheap 1 bedroom apartment in southern Sweden which will be converted to a study space/home music studio
A buddy of mine lives in Southern Sweden do you know him? His name begins with C.

>>16369140
A phone doesn't simplify anything. It just adds constant noise and distraction by the very nature of its portability. Any value a phone has can be better provided by a laptop.

>>16356371
What? Leave the cities. Leave awful new York and even worse California.
Things are cheap in great capitalist USA as long as you don’t live in the areas hyped by Hollywood

>>16356356
It's two months now since i went like this, definitely worth it, i'm keep going

>>16356356
Bros, how do I stop being starved for attention? I love living alone but after one week of not talking to anyone I start to crave the attention of others. Why would I want to be loved by people I don't feel any actual connexion with?

>>16369140
t. fat coomer addicted to social media

>>16356356
>deleted all social media & online distractions
you are here?

>>16369225
>>16369278
like I said you are confusing one problem for another.

If you are living a rich and full life as a realized human being, smartphone addiction will never be a problem since it will feel absurd to engage in that as opposed to the other things you could be doing or are already engrossed in. And it will be a simplifying tool instead of a complexifying one since, existing meaningfully, you will never be in a position where you fetishize the tool instead of using it as a means to an end.

Of course, if your life is empty it will be a trap, but it won't be primarily the smartphone's fault and focusing on it or a vague sense of an evil or illusory technological civilization will be like barking at clouds. Even if you remove all distractions you will still be in the same shit.

Whether you have a rich life in a pastoral or urban setting doesn't change the equation with regards to technology.

>>16369140
>>16369440
You're missing the point that online distractions and technology are the REASON why we don't live meaningful lives. Yes, it's probably best to be able to use these technologies responsibly, but it's human nature to fall prey to distraction and folly especially when they're so easily available. The best cure is to get rid of the source of the distraction and to simplify our lives. It's analogous to being addicted to drugs ; sure, an Übermensch can be around drugs and not partake, but the average drug addict will relapse if drugs are readily available to him.

Now, I do agree with your point that just cutting off technology is not the ticket to a meaningful life, but to say that it doesn't help is downright misleading at best

>>16364981
Kek.

>>16369508
It won't help because the causality is reversed. An initial inability to deal with life leads to an interest in fetishizing technology and dopamine fountains for their own sake, the same way most traditional addictions start out as means of escape. The difference is that while the physiological addiction is the greatest threat to the junkie, the dopamine addict is stuck by the loop of never building a stimulating life. They return to their addiction because there is nothing else to return to, and willpower is finite. Conversely, by building a full life you can escape the cycle without exercising willpower since you will be naturally more preoccupied with real living than surrogate actions. In this sense, you have an opportunity that the drug addict does not have easy access to.

You'll notice that while the population of fetishizers has increased as evidenced by the growth of the livestreaming/gaming/parasocial/etc. industry, there is still an enormous mass of people who lead full lives, make shit happen, and never get seriously hooked on any technology as an end in itself and never feel the negative consequences of social media.

To a self-starter with a clear sense of identity and purpose, things like the internet are a godsend since you can learn what you need easily, contact the people you want to build things with or live adventures with just as easily.

Blaming the technology first is thus half-right: it is in fact more addictive than card games or whatever else they frittered time with before, but the solution lies not in blaming technology but returning to the full life that you should never have departed from. You know this because even if the technology were to disappear overnight, you would still be in a bad position.

I'm not asking everyone to be a perfect self-starter, I'm far from one myself. I'm posting here after all. It's just that the solution like in meta-cognition and awareness of the real problem, and that a rich life is in fact possible (as evidenced by the teeming masses of people in real life that manage it everyday) Even a person particularly susceptible to skinner boxes has a decent fighting chance, that is then erased if they spend their time blaming the symptom instead of the cause.

I'm glad I found this thread, learning a lot from you guys. I've been a neet for a little over a year now. I'm a /biz/raeli who semi "made it". I'm already a bit of a loner and spent most of this past year playing video games, watching tv, etc. I wouldn't say I'm addicted to these things but I don't really know what to do with myself, and I'm more of a consumer than a producer. Recently I decided to do something similar to OP, where I'm going to spend near all of my time dedicated to creating music/learning audio engineering. I really like the group Autechre and wish to make music similar to them. I've messed around with hardware synths for about 2 years now, but have also decided to dedicate myself to learning Max/MSP and other music softwares. One thing I've been wrestling with though recently is that I'm not social enough. I have some friends but nothing tight knit like I had in high school/college. I also don't have hobbies related to meeting new people. Sometimes I wonder if I need them or if they're just a distraction from meeting my own creative goals. I think I might have autism because I tend to fixate on this idea of having monomania towards something and if I start doing too many different things or even thinking about them it stresses me out. Outside of the music thing all I really do is read books, watch movies, play a new game if one interests me, and lift weights. I'm not really sure how to conduct myself and now reading this thread I'm realizing that deep-diving into a singular creative pursuit is just one massive cope.

>>16369683
Define ‘a full life’

>>16370904
Obviously, he means a life without the problem of dependence on technological escapism.

Just stop having that problem and then you can keep the cause of that problem around. This makes total sense.

If you're a nicotine addict, just stop being an addict and keep enjoying the social opportunities of being able to offer to light someone's cigarette. You can smoke without really smoking as long as you're living a full life.

>>16369683
Living a full life ain't easy for everyone. I agree with you though, to think that technological dependence is the cause and not a symptom is stupidity.

being a hermit just seems like another cope. you will never have the happiness and rich life you see others have so you try to convince yourself that you just have to get used to living in a box with no distractions to be happy.

>>16369683
Still waiting for the full life definition

>>16356371
Just go to Bumfuck Kansas

>>16359065
>2012 - Sweden opens its doors to refugees
LOL

>>16356371
If you wanna live in the US you're gonna have to live in the bleak landscapes of the rust belt or the South. They are shitholes, but they at least have actual genuine people in them. Trust me, I live in a rust belt shithole.

>>16373998
Rust belt shitholes are, arguably underrated.
Write Winesburg, Ohio with more meth, welfare, and single mothers with foot tattoos.

Gay circlejerk blog thread.

>>16356371
>I live in USA and the rent is too damn high
Negroid, this is not because you live in the US, it's because you live in a faggot-ass big city.
Get out of there.

>>16374965
rent is high everywhere retard unless you wanna live in what amounts to a faux halfway house with people of questionable character

>>16356371
You could live with less than $1M, but the least would have to be around $500k.

>>16371123
>If you're a nicotine addict, just stop being an addict

kek, thanks for the advice boomer

>>16370904
>>16373741

one where you have meaningful interactions with others, grow as a person over time, participate in some community, produce or create things that matter to other people, experience things and play an active role. These are the memories you look back to and feel like you really lived in some way, without additional justification or rationalization needed
There are many different ways in which a full life can manifest itself, but it's a you know it when you see it type of deal.

>>16371123
It's like you're intentionally trying to misrepresent what I'm saying
Again, unlike many other addictions (including nicotine), tech addiction can be solved by hitting the cause. You may or may not succeed in doing so, but you have nothing to lose given how grim tech addiction can be. A person with a reconstructed life can still fall to hard drugs again, and gambling addicts will have a tough time still with all the skinner boxes, but with anything to do with dopamine you have a far easier route ahead of you than the junkies have. Not only that, but you'll be able to use technology in a healthy way eventually, which would be impossible for most other addictions.

>>16375194
I think he was being sarcastic, but of course nicotine addiction doesn't really work as a analogue because nicotine is chemically addictive unlike using the computer.

SURE SEEMS /LIT/

>>16360672
just transition lol

>>16362471
>obviously cruel
why? would a cow live better if it was constantly searching for food and ultimately getting its face eaten by a pack of wolves?

>>16356356
Dont become /r9k/ pls.

>>16369140
>Wanting to ditch a smartphone for a dumbphone or worse still, a limited smartphone marketed for this purpose is probably the funniest symptom of this distorted thinking.

Based. The funniest example I have seen is my loser roommate. He's fat and is constantly talking about it and "trying" to lose weight. He bought an exercise desk bike. One where he could still play vidya all day and eat constantly while "excersizing". He would lazily spin the wheel with his legs while scarfing down 500 calories of pudding packs. He had no clue how ridiculous it was. He was actually proud of the effort he was putting in.

>>16375296
Watch the documentary Dominion and tell me you'd rather be a dairy cow than a buffalo in Yellowstone.

>>16356417
Honestly, if you're confident and socially intelligent enough, that can come across as unique and impressive. Everyone knows that social media isn't that great for you. If you're successful, come across like you know who you are and what you're doing, and have other admirable/attractive traits, a complete lack of social media just makes you more interesting.

>>16356381
Don't go off your meds for some midwits on /lit/, meds generally only really help with your overall energy unless they are anti-psychotics, and if they are anti-psychotics especially don't go off of them. People can shit on medication all they want but at the end of the day a doctor with a medical degree is the one who prescribes, and they know better than some stuffy retard who spends all day telling people how they got filtered by some esoteric bullshit.

>>16375965
If you do what to go off your meds, do it for yourself

>>16360427
I have lots of siblings as well

>>16367058
Yes, Sadly My hairline was raped by Somali Barbers.

>>16375332
maybe help your roommate out and let him know what he's doing wrong instead of shitting on him?

>>16356371
>4% dividend yield
Shit tier dividends

You're guaranteed at least 6-8% with PM' MO and UVV.

>>16375524
Why would I watch a biopic about my dinner?

>>16359040
I've been trying to learn french but i just downloaded duolingo and called it a day with that, needleess to say i dont think is working well. I might visit the french general on int for a more coloquial speaking of french. Any tips?