/lit/ - Literature

>>16310487
Anything with a good "Stroggofication" type scene?

I need some rapey filth to read. Rec some please.

>>16310529
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hQi6C2RQvjGzjSoXU0D063fCFcz1wCHXFUe7PfEsGrk/edit#gid=0

Don't forget to thank reddit.

>>16310520
>Stroggofication
fucking hell man. that shit gave me nightmares when i was younger.

Reminder: Fantasy with female protags is fine so long as they're hot, topless, and cut the heads off dinosaur monsters.

>>16310796
Fuck yeah.
Needs a little more muscle imo.

The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction (F&SF) September/October 2020

NOVELLAS
Of Them All – Leah Cypess
This is the 3rd cynical fairy tale from this author. Upon her birth, Princess Margarete was visited by a fairy who stated, "You will be beautiful only to those who wish you harm." Would Margarete ever find someone who would love her without thinking she's beautiful? I continue to find myself surprisingly pleased by these stories, though less surprised now that this is the third time. Margarete also has a tendency to cultivate hatred so that others will think she's ever more beautiful.
Enjoyable

NOVELETS
The Shadows of Alexandrium – David Gerrold
In the Alexandrium everything that exists, could have existed, and never could have existed are available for viewing by tourists. All possibilities exist, they only wait for you to create them from your imagination. However, be careful what you imagine, because the consequences may be all too real.
Ok

My Name Was Tom – Tim Powers
In a superstructure ship where people don't remember that they don't remember, a man explores hoping to find both his lost love and the legendary bridge where the captain resides. An intriguing story whose sense of hiraeth I was inadequately able to empathize with, but I enjoyed anyway. It reminded me of a few other moderately similar stories of exploring a mysterious location. It may be self-referential, Tom is only a letter away from Tim. Ending sentence: I hope to at least not go forward.
Enjoyable

The Fairy Egg – R.S. Benedict
The story alternates between the narratives of the wife and husband. The wife is trying to do everything she can to make their lives better and displays quite a bit of ingenuity. However, the husband posts in the relationships section of symposia (reddit) about his woes to an unsympathetic audience. One user tells him to come a different section where he will be with like-minded fellows of the manosphere. Thus begins his decline into madness, which is exacerbated by being obsessed with videos from a guy who seems to be a mix of Jordan Peterson, Alex Jones, and various other similar figures. He begins spending almost every waking hour watching videos and discussing with others who affirm his ideals. This could have been just as easily been about the current state of 4chan. I looked for reactions to this story and found two. One said it was "nasty" and "something I didn't need to read" and the other said "the parallels between New Age and male 'empowerment' madness make the story stand out." Maybe it was just me, but the magical realism in this story seemed superfluous and unnecessary and probably would have done better if played straight, but without these concessions it couldn't have appeared in the magazine I suppose. While it's moderately provocative, I don't think it's going to garner much reaction by those who would be offended by it, if only due to lack of exposure.
Enjoyable

>>16310813
SHORT STORIES
Weeper – Marc Laidlaw
The 10th story in 25 years for these characters. The two primary characters are a bard whose whose hand turned to stone and a gargoyle whose hand turned to flesh.
Ok

Do AIs Dream of Perfect Games? – Angie Peng
A "we live in a simulation" story discovered through baseball.
Ok

The Martian Water War: Notes Found in an Airlock – Peter Gleick
This is his 1st published SF story, at 70 years old. You may have heard of him before for his work in environmental studies and activism, especially in terms of water resources. You may also have heard about his brother, James Gleick. The title is self-explanatory and briefly chronicles the events that led to it. It's a recapping of events rather than the events themselves, so it's entirely telling and no showing. This may have been better served by doing a story about near future Earth rather than Mars. It's unfair and rude of me to say so, but I can't help but think that who he is may have played a role in being included in this issue.
meh

Little and Less – Ashley Blooms
I haven't liked anything I've looked at from her and this isn't an exception. A girl with dead parents in a dead world is living out in the woods, setting traps to injure rather than kill, as both animals and people are grateful to her when she rescues them.
Blah

The Cry of Evening Birds – James Sallis
A wife requests for a service to erase part of her husband's memory in the hope that by doing so, he'll be able to move on with his life.
Blah

The Dog and the Ferryman – Brian Trent
A dog appears before Charon at the River Styx. Confusion ensues and he realizes that no one has died for centuries. To find out what this means he goes to the world of the living and there he finds that humans are now...complete spoiler immortals who reside in virtual worlds.
Ok

This World Is Made for Monsters – M. Rickert
> This is M. Rickert 25th appearance...one of our most prolific contributors these past twenty years
How unfortunate for me as I don't like her works. Aliens arrive in a town and then they hold an annual alien festival. Years go by and the younger generation sees no value in it. It's basically a "Ok boomer" story written by a baby boomer.
Blah

Keeping up the ISBNs, or, Mary Sue, C'est Moi - Paul Di Fillipo
The beginnings of a dystopia where individualized self-help and self-insert books become one and the same and are filled with extremely effective product placement to where the reader adopts the lifestyle acquires the material possessions of the protagonist which somehow leads him to Living His Best Life but it's implied at the end that his fate will soon have a far darker turn.
Meh

This went over the 3k character limit, so I decided to just make it 2 full posts.

>>16310796
Hot is the only mandatory feature, the other two are merely bonuses.

Any other stories where time dilation is a significant plot element besides this and the Forever War? (recommend both)

Whats the best publishing route for making money as a science fiction writer?

E William Brown, get fugged.

>>16310846
It's YA, but in the current noxious sense of the phrase.

>>16310883
>making money
Good joke

>>16310883
>John has become a professional science fiction writer, and is in the early stages of becoming fabulously wealthy, which his publisher has assured him is the common lot of science fiction writers who write for Baen Books.

>>16310963
An even better joke.

>>16310963
Kek lol that's hilarious

>>16310883
Write smut. Publish a new book every month on kindle unlimited

>>16310963
Please explain the hole, I don't understand. Is Bane cheap with their pay out or something?

>>16311098
>>16310963
>hole
I mean joke

>>16311046
>>16309918
We're writing smut over here

>>16310963
>Ringo is considered the originator of the anti-political correctness slogan "get woke, go broke,"
wow

>>16310846
Revelation Space has slower than light interstellar travel.

>>16311098
I think its a joke about being an author in general since its his own bio text and present on baen books website

WOT bros, when she got her collar that was fucking hot. I can't be the only one.

>>16310963
I am starting to really like this guy

>>16311340
Im halfway through Eye of the World. Feels like a waste of time. I may read up to The Shadow Rising but the books appear to be all fluff.

Are there any fantasy books inspred by Aztec mythology or has Cortes and his gang ruined that chance beyond repair?

What is the best WoT book to start with if I just want to read one and say I didn't like it and have no interest in reading more to get my friends off my back?

>>16311379
In my opinion WOT is complete garbage. I dropped it after 4 books or so, I still have the last piece of trash book open on a table. And people say the first 6 books are the best, I don't even want to imagine the later books.

That being said I will still fap to Egwene in a collar.

>>16310796
no
they're fine unless they talk about how badass they are

>>16311409
Lol not sure what collar your referring to.

This youtuber Daniel Greene said Dune wasnt even in his top 100 and ranked WoT first. Serious cringe material.

What's the fantasy-book equipment of these three places?

>>16310796
I think I'm a sexist because I seriously cannot think of a single book I liked with a female protag and I kinda find the idea unappealing in general even though I never really thought about it until typing this

>>16311425
Slaughterhouse Five -> Catch-22 -> Gravity's Rainbow

>>16311423
It was really just a coomer shitpost but
There is another country that captures those seorceressess and put collars on them to control them. Triggered my BDSM fetish.
it's not a super big spoiler.

>>16310796
For me, its Honor Stephanie Alexander-Harrington

>>16311442
Gone Girl but it's also kinda sexist lol

>>16311465
I dig it anon hahaha

>>16310846
>Let’s just go even faster, that will solve ALL our problems

>>16310846
Harry Turtledove's Worldwar series:
>aliens plan their invasion based on probes data showing medieval civilization on Earth
>by the time the invasion fleet actually arrives many centuries later Earth has developed an industrial civilization and is in middle of WWII with all the major powers geared for total war

>>16310883
Not writing Science Fiction. If I could find it I'd post that sales chart that shows SF is the LEAST popular genre for books.

Is Science Fiction really THAT scientific?

>>16311553
Yes

>>16311383
There is one novel I've read that has a Conan-like character washed ashore on an island that features a fantasy version of Aztec/Mayan shit. I hesitate to recommend it though because I think the editing for the ebook is all jacked up. That and it's like the third book in a series though you might be able to read it as a standalone.

>>16311442
I generally don't care for female protags either (at least not any modern ones), but the one Red Sonja novel I read was decent.

can anyone help me identify the science fiction story I am thinking of? I believe I read it around early 2000s or so so its nothing super-recent, it had the following things (not necessarily in same order)

scene(s?) from point of view of an attack helicopter(? or something alike) pilot (both(?) on earth and in a .. more exotic(?) environment
there might or might not have been soldiers from different eras of Earths history stuck in this weird place
there might or might not have been a scene with hostile alien loose aboard a spaceship
scenes of a person displaced out of time(?) learning and adjusting to living in a future(?) society
our characters come to location where they find storage tanks/vats(?) with cloned(?) women (with implication they were created for pleasure/entertainment purposes)

I really apologize for bad hints, I may be conflating different stories with each other

>>16311548
>that sales chart that shows SF is the LEAST popular genre for books.
Greatest argument for the non existence of deities if you ask me

On going poll
https://www.strawpoll.me/20897686

>>16311686
I don’t know Anon, could you get even vaguer? Was there a dude with a thing and then he did some stuff?
>>16311235
1000% Based, The Last Centurion is peak “Get fucked Wokejack”

>>16311405
Start with book 10 obviously.
Retard.

>>16311686
It has been a long time since I read it and I only remember one or two of your points but perhaps Time's Eye by Baxter & Clarke. The second point is the entire plot of the series and I think the "future" people were in a helicopter when they were transported in time.

>>16311553
Depends.

>>16312198
Why book 10?

>>16312361
Because you're retarded.

Has anyone here read the Metro series? Just finished 2035 yesterday. I can't tell if I love or hate the ending, but I enjoy that it nearly all came to naught.
Should he have even continued the story after the last book?

>>16312456
I only read 2033 but I still remember it fondly. Heard mixed to negative things about the sequels.

>>16312218
>perhaps Time's Eye by Baxter & Clarke
this actually looks familiar, thanks

Why is cosmere lore so retarded bros?

>>16310796
I don't like lesbians

>read medieval fantasy book
>get immersed in it
>encounter a word I don't know
>look it up on Google on my phone
>back to story

Does this happen to you guys or am I just retarded?

>>16313539
i literally do it every time
I even add the word to anki
and study vocabulary for an hour everyday
just keep up with the grind until you dont need to look up a dictionary

>>16313512
we don't like you either.

'The Book of the New Sun' vs The 'Kingkiller Chronicle'. Which one?

>>16313656
good

>>16313669

>>16313669

>>16311548
That's not surprising. Probably better to try to adapt my stories to screen or vidya

>>16313721
>>16313723
so?

>>16310883
Write fantasy, self publish, start a book series, release a book every few months, build up a following.

I am reading Consider Phlebas

>>16313669
Do you want a chad or a cuck as a character?

Just picked up the Maginogion. What are the other big archetypal fantasy collections?

>>16313818
Im sorry

>>16313905
Why do you say that? I’m halfway through and enjoying it a lot

>>16313866
I guess the Tain, the Kalevala: really, each country has its own collection of myths and legends. The line is blurred with religion somewhat, and then you have fictional versions like the Silmarillion.
I'd try finding a book of your own people's stories (sorry if you're a yank lol).

>>16313930
I just found the ideas uninteresting. Especially the island sequence and the games on the planet. Also the characters are flat and cliche.

>>16313945
I am American but basically 100% German despite the mutt meme. Currently reading the Silmarillion which us what got me going for more like it.

I read some of the Bhagavad-gita and Ramayana in college too.

More like this?

>>16310796
What would be the perfect women outside of looks?

>>16314086
Maybe commonwealth saga from PFH?

>>16313512
Don't be gay, anon.

>>16314166

>>16314151
Thank you, I'll look into it.
Hopefully I can find an audiobook.
It's a good way to pass the time at work. Since my ears are at least free.
If not a good way to calm the mind at home.

>>16313669
The name of the wind ofcourse

>>16314098
Strong willed, good hearted, but won’t stand for shit. That sort of thing

>>16314166
>That dagger
Even if it were really lightweight, it should kind of fall out at that point.
Silly sketch

>>16314519
>using a description of yourself as the perfect woman
Amazing.

>>16313669
One is young adult fantasy on the level of Harry Potter; the other is some trad cath inspired fantasy trying to pass as highbrow lit, thus failing in every aspect: it's neither entertaining or original, nor something more than genre fiction. You're better off reading something else anon, unless you're a christian or simply interested in reading something inspired by that. In that case, I'd still recommend A Canticle for Leibowitz over anything Wolfe wrote.
In case it's not clear, don't touch Rothfuss. It's simply terrible, which is why I didn't elaborate as much.

I started Dune but just wondering if the other books are worth reading and if so, where do I stop?

>>16311822
Surprised Neuromancer is so high up

>>16314610
If you like Dune then yes, the next couple books are decent

>>16314610
The second book can be a good stopping point since it basically finishes the story of the first book.

>>16314519
>Even if it were really lightweight, it should kind of fall out at that point.
It's not a dagger; it's a spear point and it's in the process of falling out of the wound after being broken.
Silly bitch

Finally finished the whole BotNS and Urth series. It wasn't as good as people here hyped it up to be but I can respect what the author did, it was a good journey even if it was pretty boring.

>>16310846
I actually had a chuckle at this Incidental to the main themes is the political situation on the Earth from which the protagonists set out: a future where the nations of the world entrusted Sweden with overseeing disarmament and found themselves living under the rule of the Swedish Empire.

A LITTLE HATRED - JOE ABERCROMBIE, THOUGHTS ON PART I
Current Discord read, more responses there.

Argument: 577
Hatred: 605
28 years

> Wolf (Stour) eat the sun (Angland)...Lion (Leo) at the wolf...Lamb (?) ate the lion...Owl (?) ate the lamb.

Finree is doing well for herself under Bayaz's guidance

> Leo
He certainly goes from gallant heroism to blubbering regret quickly and then back again.

> No justice, is there? Just a world that looks the other way and doesn't care a shit about either one of us. Why should it?
A restatement of the series premise.

Theory: Zuri is a eater/magi.

Savina, age ~28, slumlord, child labor employer, and blossoming robber baron. What wouldn't she do for money? "Evil" done in the name of business doesn't mitigate the actions. What a RUTHLESS BUSINESSWOMAN! As she says, she will become the most venomous reptile.

Inquisitors to torture and murder labor organizers.

> pearl dust, husk, alcohol
cocaine, opium, alcohol. He's going for it.

> Breakers
Luddites.

> Gorst
Certainly seems to be fine shape for his age, which has to be nearly 50 now, similar to Jezal.

> Lord Marshal
I had thought there was only a single Lord Marshal at a time, who had a place in the closed council.

> I N C E S T
I wonder when their relationship started.

> Inquisitor Victarine dan Teufel
Her father was Sepp dan Teufel. She's 38 now. In the camps from 8-20 years old.

> There's a Great Change coming
But not the one they would want.

> I want to us to burn another village or two before sundown!
Which is what Logen did.

> she was tempted to stick her head under it just for the warmth
Piss-related matters are common in the series. I wonder if it's for "gritty realism" or something else.

> Stour Nightfall
Ramsay Bolton.

> Seizing common land
50% of England is owned by <1% of its population. Unlike the US, the UK has basically no public land.

> Arinhorm
Probably a bad move.

> Glokta warning Savina
She may be running the entire bank under Bayaz's guidance by the end.

> vouch
So goes the importance of who you know.

> They break chains.
'man is born free, but he is everywhere in chains' - Jean-Jacques Rousseau
Still the case today and for who knows how much longer.
While I'd applaud a democracy by the end of the trilogy, even if it does happen, Bayaz will still be in control.

> Long Eye
I don't know what to think of this "long eye" magic.

> Caul Shivers
He must be getting up there in age as well. He's done well for only having one eye. I guess he fell out of favor or left the current rulers of THE NORTH.

> Vallimir
Another name that appears often but does little. From Lieutenant to Colonel in 40 years is not much of an advancement.

I find it interesting characters of the older generation are mostly referred to by their relation to the younger generation rather than using their names.

I wonder what role Hildi will play in the future.

I am trying to read the Black Company but the epub editions are just horrible, it seems even the kindle edition on amazon has tons of editing errors. Is there a good, approved edition? Can you maybe drop a link or something?

I ordered the Earthsea Quartet via my nation's library system.
2 books in so far, and its pretty good. There is just something silly about Wizards having no earthly attachments and having nothing in their power between dealing with a single person to the level where they can level cities with mere words.

>>16310487
I'm reading second foundation. Why did the mule have to get converted? The second foundation seem like a bunch of fags and I was hoping the mule would rip them apart. Why did asimov have to do this

>>16315153
I stopped the first book like 1/3 through, am I a retard? It was just people smoking cigars

>>16315038
Kys tranny

>>16314568
Awww.

>>>/v/523911019

>pre-2010 temeraire series
>very interesting alternate history series using dragons to add aerial combat to the Napoleonic wars
>post-2010
>Full retard dragon societies and amnesia plots
Why was this last decade so fucking bad for fantasy? Is it just me? It honestly feels like writers quit trying and the editors fucking died or something, I don't get it

>>16315207
First book is meh and gets better toward the end. Story gets good in foundation and empire (second book) and I wanna see where this goes

>help my dear sweet mother out with something trivial
>thanks me
>"A minor matter"
How are we doing tonight, my fellow Daoists?

>>16315611
it was as good as decades before, you just won't find the good stuff until there's time passed to allow for sifting through everything to discover and canonise the good shit

>>16315611
Because serialized genre fiction is weak?
You take a idea, expand it, do some research, and then write a book a year or even more.
At some point you run out of fumes, and its just word on paper limited by writing ability.

After all, we don't remember the series. We remember the standalone novels.
Why?
Because the overall quality is better ,and that is a survivor bias you can't deal with if unseen.

Taking a plunge into the quagmire that is modern Hugo awards
female author
female MC

wish me luck

>>16315758
it's good but also heavily inspired by vorkosigan so you kinda just want to read the original thing

>>16315727
This, Chinese fantasy and myth are infinitely greater than Japan.
>t. Chink

>>16315758
For the 1st time, in a long time. An actual good book won.

What is spoileranon's endgame?

>>16311383
>Are there any fantasy books inspred by Aztec mythology or has Cortes and his gang ruined that chance beyond repair?
The Obsidian and Blood trilogy but the protag is basically an aztec detective

>>16315772
>vorkosigan
How have I not heard of this? I'm so deep in the genera
30 years and 24 books, whew

>>16315756
I don't mean just to point out series that started in the 00's, it just seemed a good example to me. Every time I browse through a bookstore now the stuff written after 2010 is obviously worse. I keep waiting for someone to write an expose about some under discussed shift in the publishing houses, because it seems so apparent to me that something happened

>>16315785
I want to believe

>>16315805
You also should read all of the author's fantasy books as they're classics too :)

My reading pace fell way off over summer, dunno whether to finish off 5-10 dropped books to up it or try and find something I actually like

>>16315758
>female author
>female MC
Why do this to yourself? Why do any of you do this to yourselves?
>girl writer
>girl protag
>modern
These are the ultimate red flags.

>>16315788
To get people discussing.

going through new releases, seeing something set where I lived and laughing
>Toni Windsor is trying to live a quiet life in the green and pleasant county of Staffordshire. She’d love to finally master the rules of croquet, acquire a decent boyfriend and make some commission as an estate agent.
Since like the 1700s staffs has been full of some of the grimmest industrial towns in britain, all of the famous fiction from the area is about this

>>16315851
Yes, but literally no one cares or reads any of that shit.

Just enrolled in a science fiction course. The four required readings are:
>The Island of Doctor Moreau by H.G. Wells
>The Dispossessed by Ursula K. Le Guin
>Annihilation by Jeff VanderMeer
>Spin by Robert Charles Wilson
What am I in for lads?

>>16315923
>Ursula K. Le Guin
Is she that author that everybody quotes on their books, but nobody has actually read?

Starting Hyperion it better be good.

>>16315948
If you haven't read LeGuin, you're a stupid nigger

>>16315845
because I'm not incel

>>16315845
do you ever actually read anything anon
we see this whining every thread but I have no idea what you actually like

>>16315923
I've only read Annihilation but I've read other Le Guin and Wilson. List seems solid.

>>16315836
Skim them. I did it with a book this year that sucked hard

>>16315876
Same could be said of most posts on 4chan, yet it continues. If stopped doing stuff because I thought literally no one cared then I wouldn't be doing anything at all.

>>16315923
>What am I in for lads?
Having paid potentially $1000s to read books together.

>>16315996
I still havent. Left hand of darkness sounds faggy

>>16316081
And you aren't?

>>16316114
No because I don't read faggotry memed by this board

>>16315923
two obviously key works in the development of the genre and then two books to explore how modern developments have branched out
seems fine

>>16311553
No

>>16316081
Read Earthsea 1 or Dispossessed. You don't belong in this thread if you haven't at least tried her.

>>16316139
Are they good? Like I said left hand of darkness sounds gay and if I'm gonna read a book by someone I haven't before, it needs to sound halfway decent

>>16316168
You are not a /sff/ fan if you are afraid to try new authors, especially the greats. But yes they are good, I suggested two because they are quite different and it depends what you're into.

>>16316119
Why are you here then?

>>16316009
Yes you are.
>>16316024
Why samefag?

>>16316206
You don't get to tell me whether I'm a fan or not.

>>16316168
Le Guin is shit. Only women and queers like her writing.

>>16315876
>>16316061
Spoiler: I'm also >>16310813
I thought about using a different tripcode for the discussion, but meh.

>>16311442
read worm by wildbow

>>16316206
Yes i can be without reading a certain author. I will consider the dispossessed even though it sounds like iconoclasism

>>16316220
Because I like sci fi. I've read stuff by asimov, heinlein, pkd, haldeman, Scalzi, Bradbury, etc. just haven't bothered with le guin

>anti-woman poster reads scalzi
jesus christ lol

>>16316292
>not responding to you mean
Coward.

>>16315207
Almost every Asimov book is just a bunch of people discussing logical ways to solve a problem

>>16310487

Any half decent /sffg/ smut?
I'll roll with almost anything really, as long as its not über fucked up like sonic anal vore or whatever.

Such a shame Eragon never bagged that sweet sweet lizard ass tho.

>>16316414
Dragon Emperor is good.

>>16315959
It is good my negro

>>16316414
Try Fostering Faust. Its smut and it is well written.

>>16310813
Where are you getting the magazine from?

>>16316292
>anti woman
Nah I just thought hand of darkness sounded gay. Maybe you shouldn't get butt hurt so easily

>>16315807
You have a point.
You went from reading fiction that was dated 2-3 years to reading CONTEMPORARY FICTION.
And contemporary fiction has not been bitten by the tooth of time.

Super Napoleon Dragon might be a novel idea, but only need a few years to pass since the latest book to see if bookstores still sells copies, and if people still talk about it.
With one of books, at the least the author might hit a few times. With a series, it might been a fluke that it was great, and then it ebbs out as the fluke and ideas run out.

>>16316435
>>16316470
>litRPG

Didnt know this was a thing, not really big on Isekai but eh.

>>16315758
>>16315785
IDK man the MC is a total Mary Sue who acts like a teenager on her first job - actively insults people as a diplomat.

>>16315876
>literally no one cares or reads
makes me wonder why I still come here

>>16316554
I have a subscription.

The third Hyperion book is losing my interest. Is it worth going on?

>>16315727
Why are there so many young masters trying to kill the protag ???

>>16316817
Dunno.
First 2 is only carried on "muh reveal" and "muh backstory".
Its like having a entire book centered around what is usually "oh shit, I am fucking dying, better flashback" that you see in Anime. Outside of that condensed quality and the finale, it wasn't that great.

The third book is amazing when its about the papal state or honor, or freezing to death on some hellhole.
The rest of the book is trash.
I assume the 4th book has the same problem, since the problems of the 3rd book is omnipresent in 1st and 2nd book. Its just overshaded by its writing device. So I won't touch it until I get bored and finished reading Earthsea, Coldfire, possibly Foundation.

>>16316817
It just gets worse as it goes on so drop it if you don’t like it. The fourth book is all kinds of fucked.

>>16315117
I'll give it a bump in my reading list then. It seems more light hearted and easygoing than the last stuff I've read, so that's a plus

Libraries are just a slower form of piracy.

>>16317837
based libraries

>>16317843
Libraries are socialism.
Socialism is not based.

>>16317863
r*ght wingers get out, /sffg/ is natsoc turf

>>16317863
Bro Copyright is cringe, pirating is self defence

Perhaps book publishers will take this a step further and have similar requirements to even publish a book. What a story idea.

Oscars reveal new diversity requirements for best picture nominees

Nominees must satisfy two of four key standards addressing onscreen and offscreen representation

To meet the onscreen representation standard, a film must either have at least one lead character or a significant supporting character be from an underrepresented group; at least 30% of secondary roles must be from two underrepresented groups; or the main storyline, theme or narrative must be focused on an underrepresented group.

The second category addresses the creative leadership and crew composition of a film. In order to meet the standard, a film must have either at least two leadership positions or department heads be from underrepresented groups and at least one be from an underrepresented group; at least six other crew members be from underrepresented groups; or at least 30% of crew members be from underrepresented groups.

The third category deals with paid internship and apprenticeship opportunities as well as training opportunities for below-the-line workers, and the fourth category addresses representation in marketing, publicity and distribution teams.

>>16317868
>natsoc (nazism) not right-wing
Ha ha, ok.

>>16317871
Copyright ensures the proper order.

>>16317882
> Copyright ensures the proper order.
Copyright ensures books are made for profit and not for artistry/genuine passion.

Break free from your capitalistic shackles brother and start pirating.

>>16317882
shut the fuck up corporate scum nazi gang isn't on your retard team

>>16317882
Copyright ensures that medicine is sold for $1000/pill because one company owns the patent and no one else is allowed to compete on price.

>>16317882
>Copyright ensures the proper order.
How can you own a binary string, a number, information, LMAO

>>16316222
Lel I'm not. Don't project.
I didn't.

>>16317942
Nice try, incel.

>>16317882
>Copyright ensures the proper order.
While I think book authors certainly deserve to be rewarded for their work, it needs to be pointed out Hollywood literally wouldn't exist if it wasn't for patent and copyright law dodging and violations, Hollywood was literally started as a means for film makers of getting around New Yorks' laws

US also owns European typewriter manufacturers untold millions of dollars for patent violations and centurys worth of interest

>>16318097
>owns
owes*

>>16317882
Imagine being a copyright cuck.
You would probably pay a subscription fee for air if someone managed to copyright it. Capitalist dog.

>>16318112
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_rights

>>16318132
Actually refers to space ie. the coordinate system not to whats in it ie. the gases

>>16318112
>pay a subscription fee for air
Got you covered, senpai

>>16318112
Imagine being anything other than a capitalist.

>>16318186
It's also mentioned in here. ...kinda as a good thing.

>>16318200
Imagine being a decent human being.
Sorry, I shouldn't ask you to do the impossible.

>>16318237
I am a decent human being. I do that by supporting, protecting, and advocating for rights.
It is impossible to be free without property rights.

>>16318246
Property rights are unnecessary with an ideal system of government.

>>16318271
An ideal government is no government.
Unfortunately, that's not possible.
The next best thing is a limited government. Government is a necessary evil.

Read Common Sense.

>>16318284
No government requires an ideal population and thus is relegated to fiction only.

>>16318295
Right. That's what I said. It's a necessary evil.

>>16318300
Minarchy is doomed to failure.

>>16318309
I'm not a minarchist. Describing government as a necessary evil is not some edgy opinion, it's well established among Enlightenment thinkers. Again, read Common Sense.

What are you? Politically I mean.

>>16318323
Ideally: No hierarchies, working is unnecessary to live at a subsistence level, housing is a right and not a privilege. Those who do work don't consider financial compensation as the primary goal but rather what net benefit their actions brings to society. That's the basics anyway.

"Practically": Free market with a strong social safety net and a basic income.

Reality: Whatever the least worst option that one can vote for.

>>16318366
Your ideal scenario is dumb. But I'm alright with your practical and reality.
Although basic income is kinda pointless. You should look into the Alaska Permanent Fund, they send money to all people living in Alaska every year. Hasn't really changed much. While Alaska has some of the lowest inequality of any state it's never been shown that the permanent fund is the reason for it. In fact, evidence is against it.
With that being said, I do support the Alaskan method - start a fund (ideally started by land rent taxation; Alaska's is from natural resources [gas]), give your citizens dividends. Annually, not monthly.

Where are you from?

>>16318389
Just make the stimulus check less and monthly and that's a basic income. Basic income isn't anything new. Do you want to argue that the stimulus checks have been a negative?

>>16318405
The Coronavirus checks we've had in the US?
They were what the economy needed but they should not be a permanent fixture of American life.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0efqnvYz4YI

Simply starting a fund and giving all Americans "a share at birth" is more economically sound.

>>16318423
Internal/Sovereign debt is fictional and doesn't matter. "Economically sound" is code for "It helps people too much who I don't think ought to receive that level of help"

>>16318439
It's not just economical concerns I have.
I do not want that much power centralized in the federal government.

Ideally, the way I see it, is Congress incentivizes the states to each individually establish their own Permanent Fund a la Alaska. Assist the states with them. But do not federally control them. 50 independent funds each paying out dividends quarterly.

>>16318462
The problem with that is that the states are unable to control their monetary supply and are constrained by budgetary concerns. If you want each state to have their own currency, then sure.

>>16318473
Neither of those concerns apply.
We are discussing a funds. Shit, half my portfolio is ETFs.

>>16318473
By which I mean, the APF was $992.00 for 2020. That's $82 a month. That isn't going to do much for people and probably isn't worth the administrative costs. Cost of living extremely varies by location in the US as well.

>>16318482
Congrats up on being upper class since the lower class wouldn't have one and the middle class has been hollowed out. That's probably all I have to say.

>>16318494
What? Make a robinhood account - they give you a free stock. Then start trading.
If you're poor these days. three out of five times, it's your own fault.

>discuss books and authors: nope
>post reviews or opinions on literature: lol
>rant about politics, economics and fucking "portfolios": yessirree
You faggots should just admit you treat these threads as your secret Discord club

>morons won't read or discuss Earthsea
>will argue about politics

Books where the protagonist is less strong than their foes but wins through a combination of trickery and luck, and also acknowledges this?What is the name of this trope?
Logan from pic related is a good example of this, or Bartimaeus from The Amulet of Samarkand.

>>16318732
Currently reading it. I guess it confirms some qualms I had about Le Guin's prose, but it's a great story so far.
I also don't get the skin color subversion quote I remember reading all the time. It's made clear quite early they are not white and repeated maybe once every 20 or 30 pages.
It makes that faggot who once replied to me "hurr why read fantasy about politics" look incredibly dumb and ignorant (only retards speak confidently about shit they ignore), as it's hardly a central plot point. It doesn't read like modern fantasy at all where the author makes a point of reminding you what character is yellow or red or black and which one is a lesbian or takes it up their ass.
>>16318804
Heroes Die.
>What is the name of this trope?
Being the underdog?

>>16318847
>Heroes Die
This is good example thanks, unfortunately I've already read it.

>>16311822
>No Starship Troopers

Why is western fantasy so dreary and feminized now?
Used to love reading it, but now it’s only chinkfiction for me.

>>16318804
What are you talking about? Logen is entirely overpowered.

>>16318996
Xianxia just make me dream a lot more than western fantasy now, even if it's pretty badly written overall.

More like Vance's Dying Earth that isn't BotNS?

>>16319329
I haven’t read it but Cage of Souls by Adrian Tchaikovsky is like that. Can confirm his other books are great.

/sffg/ - Socializing For Fabulous portfolio talks about economics General

>>16319344
Does he write well? So.much of the appeal of Vance to me is his prose.

What are some fantasy or sci fi novels with cute chubby blonde girls?

>>16311822
>no dying earth

>>16318996
>>16319092
Neck yourselves, as bad as modern fantasy is, it's still not anywhere near as bad as chinkshit written by literal writeslaves in sweatshops who are forced to churn out dozens of chapters everyday with absolutely no sense of quality control or direction.

They're literal dopamine drips or autists packaged into a thin excuse for a story and translated by some guy who flunked High School English.

>>16319448
Adrian Tchaikovsky is a huge meme and no he doesn't write anywhere near the level of Vance or Wolfe.
Try other Wolfe books? Latro is excellent.

>>16319483
Sure but they're fun to read at least.

>>16319448
He’s solid but fairly plain. Not exactly a prose stylist.

>>16310487
Opinions on Worm?

Hate myself and want to die lads

>>16319828
Why?

>>16310796
Unironically see this in aspect emperor

>>16319517
>>16319092
honestly i want to like them because they SHOULD be fun. but... >>16319483 actually makes them sound BETTER than they are. almost all of them are just so fucking bad in every way. what xianxia are you guys reading?

>>16320083
I only read them because the protagonist's morals and decisive attitude can be refreshing after western protagonist's soft dithering, and self sacrificing nature. I've almost never encountered a: "If you kill him, you'll be just like him!" in these novels.

>>16320083
Currently Against the Gods is fucking amazing but the author has been on hiatus for a month. The early parts are pretty traditional and trashy but it becomes unexpectedly good.

Other than that I like the Er Gen novels like Renegade Immortal, I Shall Seal the Heavens and A Will Eternal.
Desolate Era and Warlock of the Magus World are pretty good too.

>>16318590
Politics and economics connect with the type of sci-fi I like.
You know, stuff like Heinlein.

>>16320155
Reminds me of this

Why is nobody talking about it?

is this a good lace to start reading sci-fi?
or is dune a better option?

>>16320327
Give me a reason why I should

>>16320370
It's from the bestselling author of Eragon.

>>16320341
Absolutely go for it. One of the comfiest sci-fi universe

>>16320341
I would rather start with Dune so you can watch the movie coming out soon but both are fine starting points.

>>16320382
well... i kinda impulsively got both

Can you give one of those list with essential-core sci-fi? One of my fav genre is retro-scifi

>>16320397
also this

>>16320384
>dune
Start with Dune and the only way is up.

>>16320376
You raise a fair point...

>>16320390
You mean you got the first Dune book and the first Hyperion? You're better off reading a whole series before reading the next one imo.
So if you're going with Dune read until you finish Emperor of Dune then stop and go for Hyperion. Or the opposite.

>>16320439
yeah, i was planing on reading hyperion first

>>16320167
yeah AtG was really good dumb fun. i have tried the others you mentioned except i shall seal the heavens and didn't like most of them that much.

renegade immortal: white knight mc and zero plot
a will eternal: seemed like it was just a comedy and it wasn't funny to me
desolate era: got too triggered by how stupid the plot was after finishing the first half and the romance was just terrible
warlock: was alright

try reverend insanity if you haven't yet its really based. legend of the great sage is also worth checking out so far imo.

>>16320155
reading repay kindness and enmity 10x mc starts to make me groan because usually thats their entire personality in these novels. but they also spoiled me i guess because cuck mcs honestly just make me close the book half the time now.

>>16320327
Because it's out in a week and we haven't read it yet? Not to mention that we will read Piranesi before this, as they come out at about the same time.

>>16320782
>SJWspance
>Name of the Cuck
>Lord of Fedora
>capeshit
cringe
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>>16320782
>Brent Weeks

>>16321002
>Brent Weeks

>>16320897
>>16321002
>>16321063
Cope

>>16313539
Yes. Often I google various plants, trees and items so I can visualize them properly.

>>16320327
Because Paolini is a shitty plagiarist who wrote possibly one of the worst endings in all of fiction.

>>16321403
Not that anon, but he was literally a child when he wrote that wasn't he? Every writer ever has written crap, his got published because his parents were in the publishing industry iirc.

Maybe he matured into a good writer, who knows.

>>16321429
The last Eragon book came out when he was 28

>>16321456
That's a yikes, but the point still stands that he started writing it when he was 15. Could very well argue that he stayed the course to finish a shitty series which was a cash cow at that point.

>>16320782
I've seen chemo wards with less cancer.

>>16315038
PART II

I expected this to trilogy to be more political, but it's exceeded my expectations.

> vapours
So much smog and haze, though you'd know better.

> put an end to the butchers selling tainted meat...etc tec
Regulations!? Oh noes!

> COOKED ALIVE
Merely the cost of doing business. Do not call it evil. (sarcasm)

Seems all of the POV children are doing a fine job of ignoring their parents.

> I saw a bald weaver with a purse that never emptied
A Bayaz pawn is an obvious choice, but let's say it's someone else.

> old woman whose head was stitched together with golden wire
No idea.

You want GRITTY REALISM? M E N U S T R A T I O N!

> Not sure I'm ruthless enough
The inquisitors are selectively ruthless. The business person is ruthless to all.

> Business always came first
and so it shall come before any one of her fathers or anything else, except her own survival.

Savine saving May was power play to show her authority rather than out of consideration. It worked well for her though.

I didn't believe for a second that Risinau was The Weaver.

> sensible economies
The lies we tell ourselves.

> LITERALLY ORPHAN CHILDREN SLAVES
Not evil btw

> Profit is the only right. Loss the only wrong.
What a woman ahead of her times.

> How could she have expected this?
She couldn't have due to her worldview.

> crowd of brown bastards flooding in
Exciting, now we've got an other modern concern, immigration!

> Principles are fine, but only once you've got a roof.
Alas for the fairweather friend known as having principles.

> ...building a name for himself as a diligent worker
Turns out being oblivious to societal conditions doesn't exempt you from them. "You can't be neutral on a moving train."

> weren't no choice at all
There really isn't.

Caricatures for all! You get a strawman, you get a strawman, everyone gets a strawman!

Leo doesn't seem too keen on homosexuality.

> Say one thing
Does it have a place in this new trilogy? I think not.

Ah, there's Sulfur and what I was wondering about why this war was going on.

> Now she realized the games had always been rigged in her favor
Savine has discovered privilege!

> It only made her desperate never to this way herself again. Perhaps that made her selfish. Wiked. Evil, even.
Shhhh, no. You're the HERO and the VICTIM. Never say you're evil again, baka senpai.

> She was happy to be evil
Well, if the lady insists, who am I to gainsay?

I think it's more likely than not than Savine won't fulfill her end of the deal with May.

> Destroying monuments
Even more current day issues!

> Given the choice, [the poor would] much rather rob other poor folk.
What a sad state of affairs.

The Breaker and Burner divide also reminds me of the current state of politics.

> Well, you have to be realistic
It continues on.

Yoru Sulfur continues to really get around.

Seems the Burners left, but to where?

Seems Rikke really is a precog, probably.

Oh Clover.

Just finished the first Dune book and I liked it a lot. Where do I branch out from here, /lit/?

>>16321835
fuck off yev, you stupid jew.

>>16321846
.....the 2nd Dune book?

>>16321846
Finish Dune, then Hyperion, then Neuromancer.

>>16321858
Sorry let me rephrase that. Where should I stop?

Best books with warrior monks?

>>16321849 You're welcome.

>>16319828
>>/lit/?task=search&ghost=yes&search_text=%22hate+myself+lads%22

>>/lit/?task=search&ghost=yes&search_text=%22just+want+to+die+lads%22+

>>/lit/?task=search&ghost=yes&search_text=Hate+myself+and+want+to+die+lads

Probably others. You certainly post about it over the last couple years.

>>16321888
Chapterhouse?
After that there is always Foundation, whatever of Peter F. Hamilton, short storied from the 1910s to 1940s by various authors, Heinlein, Asimov, etc.

>>16321888
either the second book or go full Golden Path

>>16321888
Stop at God Emperor. It ends the arc and feels like a good place to stop.
Heretics starts a new arc but the author died before finishing the series, so it'll feel incomplete.
Do NOT read any prequel or sequel or whatever from his son, it's not only not canon but also fucks the lore.

New thread soon? Slowing down a bit

>>16322185
That isn't how it works.

Anything like this but better?
It wasnt terrible but there was basically no character development and the mc basically bacame a superwizard over night as he instantly understood everything. I was hoping for sort of "from rags to riches" wizard story. basically a story about someone whos self-thought. This was too much in my opinion.

>>16322219
It does on most other boards, so why not for /sffg/, one of the BIGGEST threads on /lit/. If it's slowing down, it means it will die and be archived soon.

>>16322185
Welcome new friend.
Don't worry about a new thread, we'll make one when it's time (we have a slave), in the meanwhile just sit back and enjoy the high quality discourse around you.

>>16322235
the oldest thread on the board got it's last reply 2 and a half hours ago. calm down

>>16322235
/lit/ moves so slowly that even if we were on page 10 wed not be archived. it happens occasionally but we also have thread slaves that create new threads before a thread dies or shortly after it has died.

>ctrl + f
>"tolkien" "lotr" "lord of the rings" "hobbit"
>0 matches
What the fuck, /sffg/, not even discussing the ass wen. Is Mieville's best dream coming true?

>>16322272
A bit late in the thread for bait desu, not your best work.

>>16322289
I don't know what you're talking about.

>>16322272
lord of the rings defines the genre. what more is there to say about it. everyone who writes fantasy is massively influenced by it. even that dweeb in your pic is defining his writing by how different it is from Tolkien's.

>>16314637
you mean that shit wasn't finished?

>>16322318
Then why did the Nobel committee call Tolkien "second rate"?
https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-16440150

>>16322329
Messiah is the end of Paul's story. Children and God Emperor are about his son.

>>16322224
Is it some sjw trash? i find that most less known or unknown novels that I have encounteted turn out to be some pozzed identity politcs trash with weak elements of fantasy and shitty plot and characters.

Also have you read choice of magic?

>>16322345
Who gives a shit about some meme award?
Also
>Poet Frost and Forster - both in their 80s - were ruled out by the jury because of their advanced years.
Very objective criteria

>>16320409
kek, so true

>>16322406
If you don't win a Pulitzer, National Book Award or a Nobel, no one will remember you in a few centuries.

>>16322451
damn Shakespeare btfo
Looking through the list of winners I see a lot of literal whos who have been forgotten after 10 years

>>16322376
No the author takes powerfantasy to far though in my opinion. What i was complaining about was mostly that the MC of that novel was instantly good at anything, nothing was ever hard or difficult to overcome and no one could ever threaten him. In short it was boring. Nothing SJW about the book or the author in general. Theres this bias to do the right thing but i thats pretty much what most authors write their MC nowadays like. Also i read Choice of Magic and it was alright but nothing to write home about. I liked Mageborn more.

>>16322406
>>16322451
Yeah bro, if you don't win one of two American awards nobody will remember you lmao
Man Booker? Cervantes Prize? Georg Büchner? Akutagawa Prize? Grand Prix? Who even heard of any of that shit?

AMERICA
FUCK YEAH

>>16322568
Left out Kafka Prize, goober.

>>16322572
Who cares. There are more than 2 American awards, that was my point. Most of these writers and titles are not even read 10 or 30 years later.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Book_Award_for_Fiction
Anatole France won the Nobel and in his time he was considered to be the best writer in the whole history of the world. He was French, so yeah, they deemed him better than Victor Hugo, Proust or Baudelaire. Now nobody reads Anatole France.

Lautreamont was a huge edgy 4channer who died in oblivion and he's still read 150 years later.

>>16322629
I'll pick the 70s because that's at least 50 years ago, right?
>"No one reads JC Oates, Saul Bellow, John fucking Barth, ROBERT STONE, William the Gaddismeister, THOMAS FUCKING P (an honorary /lit/izen), or Tim O'Brien"
Literally fuck off, I can tell you don't read anything good.

>>16322568
>AMERICA
>FUCK YEAH
unironically yes

But, I don't give a shit about those prissy awards.

>>16322677
>I can tell you don't read anything good.
And I can tell you have an extremely shitty reading comprehension.

>>16322481
>I liked Mageborn more.
How? Book 1 felt like it was written by a 10 year old.

>>16322762
It gets better as it goes on but for me it was the characters that drew me in.

>>16322745
I picked one decade and the majority of the writers are still on syllabuses at my university for postmodernism/American lit units alone. Cope.

>Oy vey, I said "most" which means I meant not those authors
Really? Better stick to analytic philosophy or something more autistic and thoughtless.

LMAO that one anon fag STILL getting triggered by Chad China. It's the literal same shit every time, muh "everyone is influenced by Tolkien, if you write nothing like him, it is because you are subverting him!".

>>16322795
based anon, it's like he doesn't get what subversion is!

>>16322806
Subversion = not writing like Tolkien!
!

Summer's over and you fags are still talking about fantasy.

>>16322776
>something more autistic and thoughtless.
Man, imagine being this BTFO, still missing the whole point AND calling anyone thoughtless after such an embarrassing display of midwit lmao

>>16322880
Nice samefagging

>>16322451
A BOLD claim

>>16322950
Coetzee is attempting to unseat the nothern hemisphere's hold on publishing legacy, but he won't win alone. Even with his nobel prize, he will never be able to work against the Euro-American monopoly on publishing.

Don't let the leftards and foreignshits ruin the next thread, bros.

>>16320083
Er Gen novels. (ISSH, RI)
Fang Xiang novels (World of Cultivation, Card Apprentice etc).
Lord of the Mysteries
Warlock Apprentice/Super Dimensional Wizard
Death Sutra
Release that Witch
Kingdom's Bloodline
Castle of Black Iron
Cultivation Chat Group
The World Online
Black Tech Internet Cafe System
The Devil's Cage
Tales of Herding Gods
The Desolate Era
The Legendary Mechanic
The Human Emperor
Carefree Path of Dreams
Transcending the Nine Heavens
The Portal of Wonderland
Chronicles of Primordial Wars
Martial World
True Martial World
Tales of the Reincarnated Lord
The Avalon of Five Elements
Sovereign of the Three Realms
Coiling Dragon
Otherworldly Evil Monarch
Lord Xue Ying
Realms In The Firmament
Library of Heaven’s Path
Gate of Revelation
Forty Millenniums of Cultivation
Emperor’s Domination
Stellar Transformation
Library of Heavens Path
The Spiritual Attainments of Minghe
Grandmaster Strategist
Fishing the Myriad Heavens

Just a couple i've read recently and in the past.
Some are great, some are guilty pleasures and some have really weak beginnings or endings.
Pretty much all of them have been more interesting than western fantasy has been for ages imo.

Itching to read the Jizzard Nut by Wolfe, but I have a lot of homework to do. Is my excitement at least in the right?

>>16322983
Wow that's a lot of chinkshit.

>>16323018
Not really, it's just the ones I felt are somewhat worth mentioning.
There's at least another 20-30 ones that just didn't spring to mind (like Reverend Insanity as someone mentioned) and like 40+ more I just wouldn't recommend to begin with.
That's just the translated ones as well.

>>16323031
No,no, no need to be humble.
That's A LOT of chinkshit.
Reading that must be the literary equivalent of coprophagia.

>>16320474
>renegade immortal: white knight mc and zero plot
Can't have read that far (I recommend sticking with it at least until around chapter 280 or so when he's being mortal, that's when the chinks started loving it), the MC is like the archetypical cold asshole without going anti-hero.
Zero plot it's sort-of guilty of since it has that whole "tons and tons of vignettes" schtick going for it, but it does get some overarching plot bits later.
I personally didn't like it at first but glad I stuck with that one.

I rec Super dimensional wizard if you liked warlock of the magus world, it has similar-ish worldbuilding (steals from the same sources) with less of an amoral main character. (also was published earlier I think?)

>>16323044
Nah, that would be reading the average Big Four publishing house fantasy pushed nowadays.
Shit like the Goblin Emperor or Ancillary Justice.

>>16323075
>I recommend sticking with it at least until around chapter 280
Only 280 chapters?
Ain't nobody got time for that nigga.

>>16323083
No, no there is no need to explain your proclivities here. This is 4chan after all.

The perfect new thread for chinkshit.
>>16323090
>>16323090
>>16323090
>>16323090

>>16323097
>le sardonic publisherfaggot who adds nothing to the thread
Don't you have a butterfly tag to fly in other threads you humongous faggot?

>>16322983
I can't even imagine how much time you would need to read all that, let alone everything else you've read just in xianxia.
Are you some kind of speedreader? Because a lot of those books have more than a thousand chapters.

>>16322318
You would think so,but I disagree.
I would argue Dying Earth dominates the genre, not Tolkien.
As a added bonus, DND is just Dying Earth with any recognizable trademarks filed off, where you got a kitchen sink blended to add in more superficial elements that where important at the time, such as Hobbits.

Most people are not well enough versed in Edda, Beowulf, Grimm or Matter of Britain to understand what Tolkien is even presenting, so they fail to bring along ANYTHING to copy or imitate.
And as such, Tolkien isn't influential despite being the AA tier name to drawn inspiration from.