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Anonymous Mon Sep 7 14:47:12 2020 No.16307467 [Reply] [Original]

My argument is that, because .epub and other similar files are effectively identical to each other, and you use the exact "book"(your tablet, e-reader etc) to read all of these different texts, that removes a lot of potential to retain the information.
With a .pdf on your monitor or tablet, you do have unique pages, in color etc, but you still lose the interaction with the physical pages and the tactility, the smell, a stain in the corner of one page- all of this aids retention. With an .epub on your e-reader, you lose all of these aids; everything is identical no matter what you read(physical, visual, olfactory, etc). With a .pdf on your monitor or tablet, you lose most of these aids(you have a slight visual aid and nothing else).
This is basic knowledge in memory retention or improvement, pedagogy, etc. We want studies to demonstrate it, but only to confirm. I'm also not touching upon the fact that these electronic devices are high-octane distraction in a box, more so than anything else in human history. That does not help, at all.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 14:57:39 2020 No.16307503 >>16307467 >high-octane distraction in a box what does that mean

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 14:59:06 2020 No.16307511 PDF > epub (plain text html tier garbage).

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 15:00:36 2020 No.16307515 >>16307503 The potential for any distraction is very high. They are a net-negative for focus.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 15:02:55 2020 No.16307530 My e-reader never gets connected to the internet and doesn't do anything other than display books. What am I supposed to be distracted by?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 15:04:44 2020 No.16307536 >>16307530 He is speaking on memory and recollection, not distractibility, brainlet.

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Anonymous Mon Sep 7 15:05:12 2020 No.16307540

>>16307530
>My e-reader never gets connected to the internet and doesn't do anything other than display books.
Same for me. It's way easier than reading a pdf on a screen. Of course it's inferior to real books but it's smaller, so I have it always with me. And that's what it is for.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 15:09:18 2020 No.16307555 File: 44 KB, 960x536, 1597395692649.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16307540 It's also inferior to reading PDF on a Sony Digital Paper 13" e-ink. You just can't afford one.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 15:09:56 2020 No.16307559 Might as well read it digitally if you're not sure it's worth owning. Books take up a lot of space before long.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 15:11:08 2020 No.16307562 >>16307555 I can afford your mother faggot

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 15:17:44 2020 No.16307607 >>16307562 My mother is dead.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 15:19:33 2020 No.16307613 >>16307607 RIP

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Anonymous Mon Sep 7 15:36:34 2020 No.16307706

>>16307467
Has that been your experience -- or are you just supposing?
I prefer physical books too, but if you're reading something worthwhile, it doesn't make a difference. I mean it must not be a very good book if you absolutely have to smell it and feel the paper.
E-readers are more similar to stone tablets than books anyway.

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Anonymous Mon Sep 7 15:39:03 2020 No.16307715

>>16307530
>What am I supposed to be distracted by?
The user interface itself is a distraction. Having 1,000 books instantly available is a distraction. This is why people hoard these ebook, never reading them. Analysis paralysis is a distraction. Choices and features create distraction.

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Anonymous Mon Sep 7 15:41:33 2020 No.16307735

>>16307467
In other words, “Web (adaptive digital content) design often sucks compared to traditions of fixed page design”. Which is true, and I think the lack of nice and considerate default stylesheets in popular ebook converters has given a lot of people wrong impression. However, nicely designed ebooks exist, and there even are means to reproduce fixed page layouts. On the other hand, you have to have a sufficiently big high resolution screen for that, and many users would like their readers to be more compact than a book or a journal. Therefore, main function of electronic books is to convey text, and design comes second.

I should remind you that many classical books were initially serialized in journals that usually had enormous pages filled with multiple columns of small text. This is how some of them achieved universal praise and fame.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 16:00:20 2020 No.16307848 >>16307715 What kind of pleb gets distracted by books you don't even see if you read one? It's not like you open 3 books side by side.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 16:04:56 2020 No.16307873 >>16307467 >With a .pdf on your monitor or tablet Get a Boox Note2 (or similar) to get the advantages of e-Ink, etc. https://www.boox.com/note2/ Agreed on the worthlessness of epub "books".

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 16:08:33 2020 No.16307894 >>16307735 The problem is that e-Ink PDF readers are still too expensive for mass adoption. The price needs to come down by at least 80%.

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Anonymous Mon Sep 7 16:09:10 2020 No.16307898

based thread.
I didn't read for some years in highschool, too much youtube and phone time. Now I'm trying to read books on my phone, it's pretty cancerous. Too distracting. op is based and redpilled, sneed, cope dilate seethe .pdf niggers
>thread is based

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 18:55:29 2020 No.16308862 The only reasonable retort is that if you read as much as you should, it becomes very expensive, possibly unfeasible and storage is an annoyance. I'm referring to textbooks.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 19:12:36 2020 No.16308965 What's your counter-argument to the coming collapse of basic electricity provisions and the fact my e-reader will stop working in a few years time?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 7 21:33:22 2020 No.16309836 >>16308965 the OP is arguing for physical books

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 8 01:04:58 2020 No.16310924 >>16307467 BASED

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 8 01:16:43 2020 No.16310981 >>16307467 The worst argument in favor of physical books I've seen in my life. I wish we had printed.versions of 4chinny posts, so I could burn this stupid shit you wrote. Good job retard.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 8 02:42:51 2020 No.16311384 >>16307511 If only epubs weren't html formatted by css...

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 8 08:20:32 2020 No.16312569 bump

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 8 08:23:10 2020 No.16312578 >>16307467 Hey, anyone know how color e-ink is coming along? I

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 8 11:06:03 2020 No.16313409 >>16307467 I used to believe this bullshit until I started reading e-books.

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Anonymous Tue Sep 8 11:59:07 2020 No.16313644

>but you still lose the interaction with the physical pages and the tactility, the smell, a stain in the corner of one page- all of this aids retention
don't worry, consumer tech and software is cancerous to the core and wasteful things like cute page-flip animations bring some illusion of tangibility back. when I say cancerous I actually mean non-aspie, I guess.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 8 14:01:56 2020 No.16314433 File: 19 KB, 657x527, 3387.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>16313644 >page-flip animations Do e-weenies TRULY?