/lit/ - Literature

>>16308212
This bitch trying to work for the nuclear power plant from home?

>>16308212
I wash myself with a rag on a stick

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What writing program do you guys use?

>>16308212
A intellectual heavyweight

>>16308248
No, gas powered

>>16308276
I was using a really cool node based note taking app that worked really well, but then they started charging like 15 bucks a month for it. I haven't gone back to the website to see if I can get my data back lmao.

>>16308276
google docs

>>16308276
Google docs, not worth it to make things more complicated.

>>16308276
I always used to use WordPad for being lighter than Word but now I have multiple machines so Google Docs.

test

>>16308276
Pirated copy of Word 2013 since I think that's the last version you can pirate easily.

>>16308754
They made more after 2013? What year is the newest version?

>>16308276
microsoft word

>>16308276
Pirate Scrivener, it's pretty kino

>>16308764
2015 and 2019. And at least 2015 is still separate if I remember right but 2019 installs the entire Office shit.

Though they are all equally easy to pirate with KMS.

>>16308354
How do you deal with it only displaying a single page? Having to scroll down so much when working on larger texts is fucking painful.

Any of you does the relay novel thing? Or something like text based rping where you write your own characters and an GM control the plot, it's a mixed of character and plot driven thing. If you can gather enough good writers, it could be like a novel with unique writing voices for each POV

Present me your queries about the literary arts and I shall endeavor to resolve them with tact and economy.

>>16309568
>you
How do I stop using this all the time

>>16309811
Don't write in second person meme.

>>16308276
NOT google docs. Has inherent lag.

>>16309811
The real difficult word to stop using is "and"

>>16308276
Scrivener; I'm not poor

Writing general

>>16309877
sensiblechuckle.jpg

>>16308212
That nigga is chillin like a straight villain while you work minimum wage, wagies.

>>16309911
>accusing others of being wage cucks
Please. I haven't had a job since 2014.

I've never had a job, because I... never wanted one.

>>16309864
Thinking of purchasing scrivener for my ipad air once it arrives in a couple of hours, its only 20 euros so not even expensive. Is it comfy or do all the features distract you?

>>16309926
As shitty as wage cuckery was, there were some interesting experiences with other people. Gives you a decent taste of pure and endless despair too. Can only recommend it to other writers, for a year or so.

>>16309927
>ipad air
Just why? It's not any better than the poorfag iPad while priced too close to 11" Pro that's much better at everything. WHY NOW when it's likely that an update for it is coming soon?

>>16309952
In my country the poorfag ipad costs nearly as much as the air, and the pro is much more expensive. This is my first apple product and I like the old design of the air compared to the pro version, so there was no point in waiting even though I heard an update was coming

>>16308276
Vim

>>16309990
>>16309952
>tabletfags
>in a writing thread

>>16309832
have you stop using it?

>>16308276
Texmaker

>>16310004
You know one can attach a keyboard to them, right?

>>16310004
With the attachment keyboard the higher end ipads are basically laptops without the hassle of computers

>>16309919

>>16310030
>>16310034
>lol dude why even get a laptop, when you can just buy something that costs twice as much and has half the functionality and buy it an external keyboard

>>16310064
Fuck off poorfag

>>16310002
based as FUCK

>>16310068
M8 I'm lawyer and I have both a laptop and a tablet and I have never had reason to use the tablet for writing. It has a keyboard and everything.

>>16310064
Who cares about the money? I'd rather want the most comfy solution and extra flexibility the tablet part offers.

Besides, laptops that have decent screens start at 1k+ or so, so tablets outside of iPad Pro are cheaper too.

>>16310079
>I have both a laptop and a tablet
Rich man woah

>>16308276
If you feel the need to use anything besides Word or Google Docs your writing is shite.

>>16309877
I'm using that for the next thread

>tfw you're writing something and you feel like you're the first person to have this idea and are an innovative genius only to discover that other people in your field are independently working on very similar pitches
It does make me think that there is a certain objectivity to thinking. That in other words certain ideas have their time come and are "in the air" which explains the independent multiple derivation. For instance, Newton and Leibniz both separately inventing calculus.

>>16310097
I'll keep that in mind while I'm keeping all of my research and outlining organized with Scrivener

>>16310248
but remember Leibniz made it cooler

We're 50 posts into this thread and all we've talked about is writing programs. What's on you mind anons? What are you currently working on? Anything you want to share?

>>16310701
No

>>16309305
this. was using google docs but it gets pretty laggy with lots of text.

>>16310709
:(

>>16308276
google docs

>>16310002
The only correct answer. Rebinding j to gj and k to gk is pretty necessary though.

>>16310701
I'm making my female characters in Koikatsu.

>>16310701
Good luck anon. I’ve been in these threads since the start. Nothing but posers here, they only want to talk about what type of beret goes best with which feathered quill. My laptop’s busted or I’d actually be writing instead of monitoring this circlejerk for some modicum of intelligent discussion. I know what all you fags are thinking: why don’t you just start one of these “intellectual discussions” you want so bad? Because that’s what you always say. It goes the same way every time:
>faggots larping about writing programs and cool character ideas they had while playing DnD
>”what do you guys think about the use of alliteration and assonance in narrative fiction? Do you think these concepts can be used to create memorable prose, or do you think it’ll come across as gimmicky? Is it perhaps more of a question of avoiding overuse so as to prevent contrivances which could compromise the clarity of your composition?”
>how do I post on royalroad? Will I get rich immediately? Should I use a penname so my murder mystery (get this! It’s told from the perspective of the killer!) doesn’t get me in trouble at school? >Geez, I’d totally be writing a groundbreaking work of unparalleled ingenuity right now except agents refuse to even look at anything that wasn’t written by a gay crippled immigrant so I won’t even waste my time
Faggots, all of you. It’s impossible to read any of your posts in anything but a lisp. You all should have been pulled out of elementary school and sent to a logging camp.

Not horny. Neither drunk nor sober. Yes this was Frankfurt. His mother loved the city, the lights were so pretty in the night. The Main, clear as a mirror.
Street smart he was, or so he thought. When you do what he does, there were 3 things, price, beauty and service, you can only have 2 of 3, he thought hismself wise.
Besides, he knew those streets. There was no need to enagage anyone, drugs you could buy elsewhere, he was not here for hard drugs, he was here to exchange hard cash for a soft body and soft lips.
He passed Taunusstraße 32, the h0ouse with the pretty girls. Price, looks, or service, you can only have 2 of 3.
Turn left, step into the backyard. A man is there. Is he about to do it, or is he already done. I smoke a Marlboro light, I go in, I find a woman, that I like, I am done.

>>16310701
It's been a productive labor day, wrote about 2,100 words today and might peak at 2,500. Kinda slowed down over the past hour or so though, I wounded up procrastinating on some T90 videos and other youtubers. I was also thinking about fantasy races for my side project and turning the humans into fantasy pig men like the game Ymir did. Just a though though, I might just stick with humans. Pigmen MC/race-centric fictions seem to be bizarrely absent on Royalroad from what I've seen.

>>16310912
I always seen these threads as something of a bigger picture to talk about organisatorial or technical sides. Maybe someone asking a specific question about the plot direction or implementation. Maybe some shit about motivation and progress updates.

So yeah, from that point hearing about some top tier software I never knew existed sounds preferable to it just being some critique thread or discussions about basic techniques.

>”what do you guys think about the use of alliteration and assonance in narrative fiction? Do you think these concepts can be used to create memorable prose, or do you think it’ll come across as gimmicky?
How is this different from the usual stuff? If anything, it's even worse. "How do I write a murder mystery" or "are my character ideas from DnD any good" offers some room to go in deeper.

The answer is obviously "it depends" and to tell whether it's memorable or gimmicky, we'd go back to critique thread sort of shit. Also make it related to the character, it feels more bearable if a poet or a rapper had very distinct prose compared to some random detective or something.
>It’s impossible to read any of your posts in anything but a lisp.
>subvocalizing
Oof.

>

It's no good. My female MC is just walking round the town having depressed thoughts like the typical middle aged male protagonists now.

>>16311085
>my female MC

>>16310785
Why?

>>16311089
Yeah, what of it?

>>16311085
Well, give her something to do. Though at least female rambling is a bit less un-interesting.

is anyone else using AI dungeon to crap out text?

>>16311117
Not that I don't have anything else for her to do. Her walking aimlessly is to emphasize the inner emptiness then come the enlightening moment etc.etc. my problem is that scene and her behaviors in general too much resemble a middle aged man in his existentialism state for my liking.

>>16311128
I did at first for the premise of a later novel and a prequel one. But Griffin is too much hassle, too much baysitting, to be bothered. I'd rather just write for myserlf.

>>16311128
>Using a bot for artistic purposes
Kys

>>16311128
>You eat the bandages and remove the bracelet.
>You start bleeding from the mouth and become dizzy.
>A doctor in a stained white coat walks into the room. You recognize him; you were about to have an operation when he stopped by to check your progress. He smiles and leaves.
>You cry a little bit.
>"Now settle down, there's nothing to cry about," he says.
>You cry a little bit more.
>"Now what would make you cry? Tell the nice doctor about it."
>You try to remember the list of possible emotions...
>Oh! Happy, Sad, and Confused!
Why yes, I'm confused.

I don't have any good story ideas
>>16310002
Based

>>16311152
>You watch a spider run up the window pane. It makes you hungry.
>"Well, we might as well get started. I'm going to give you a drug to make you sleepy," he says.
I don't like where this is going at all.

>>16311089
Having a female MC because of feminism is cringe.

Having one because you like cute girls is based.

>>16309877
GENERAL WRITING!

>>16311254
>Having one because you like cute girls is based.
EXTREMELY based.

>I have no ideas for my book, what should I do?
Read.

>I have so many ideas for my book, what should I do?
Write.

>How do I write?
You sit down and write.

>Which software is the best for writing?
The one that responds to your keyboard.

>Do you plan and outline your stories, or do you just make it up as you go?
Whatever feels good to you, so long as words appear on page.

>I have writer's block, how do I get over it?
Then you need a fucking plan.

>My story is so shit, what should I do?
99.99% of everything is shit. Just write, edit, rewrite, proofread, ask for opinions, work on it.

>I'll never finish my story, but I want to publish it traditionally, what should I do?
Google.

>I'll never finish my story, but I already started publishing it online, what do you guys think about it?
I pray for the merciful release of death.

>>16311391
>>I'll never finish my story, but I already started publishing it online, what do you guys think about it?
>I pray for the merciful release of death.
I didn't ask for this personal attack. I'll finish it one day, just you wait!

Anyone experienced with scientific writing?
I keep losing marks for being verbose and inconcise but my papers would just be uninteresting if I try to write like a STEM drone

>>16311421
It's scientific writing, it's not meant to be particularly riveting, but give facts and stick to the subject.

>>16311421
Nobody gives a shit about your writing, scientific papers are about content, so why waste people's time with anything else?

Any tips for making my MC sympathetic? I am trying to break my character down mentally while he's been captured by slavers but I'm afraid he's not been likeable enough before this. There are only 3 pre-slavery chapters, should I start my story earlier and have him save a dog or some stupid shit?

>>16311456
Three chapters sounds like lots of time, unless each is under 1k words.

For me empathy, intelligence and humor often do the trick. A positive attitude helps too.
A lot more tricky to implement but also nice is if a character overcomes a weakness after struggling.

>>16311507
Its about 5k words, in which he is part of an attack which goes wrong and is chased into the woods where he is captured by the slavers. I don't normally have this problem when I'm in first person but I'm writing third person now and it feels a bit more distant.

I don't want him to be too witty or anything, I wrote him more as the silent brooding type. I suppose I could change that a bit and spice him up and then have the slavery make him broody.

>>16311447
>>16311448
Any middling biologist from 1900 would absolutely mog 90% of doctrinal "scientific writers" as well as being more engaging to read than contempory fiction to be honest

>>16311254
>Having one because you like cute girls is based.
Yeah. I don't think I've ever decided on having a female MC for a different reason.

>>16311531
The problem is, nobody would consider that "middling biologist from the 1900s" a scientist today

>tfw shipped buttplug has been delayed for like a month now
How am I supposed to be in the mood to write

>>16311525
>part of an attack which goes wrong
Well, if you give the reader reasons to care about it going well, it could be just enough. Though doing that fast sounds actually harder than making the character sympathetic.

>I wrote him more as the silent brooding type
Can't the brooding be witty then? Or at least something that makes the reader ask questions.

>>16308276
Apache OpenOffice

>have a fondness of literature
>enjoy the act of writing
>have no story I want to tell
Advice?

>trying to come up with folklore that feels similar to actual folklore that actually exists
>decide to go with the easy path of witches and curses
>feel unnerved by 90% of them
I suppose I'm doing my job well, but how do I stop being affected by them?

Also how do you deal with the "what is magic if not an extra set of laws of physics that a different universe might have" issue?

>>16308276
Notion

>>16311128
I use one of those grammar suggestions things

Does that count?

>>16311702
Come with shit up in the fly
It can be really bad, but if you are a good writer, your story can be bad, but your book great

>>16311702
Fuck plotting, just describe your inner world.

>>16311770
>>16311781
How very Joycean.

>>16311755
How is it an issue?

>>16310701
I'm going to try writing a short story every day until I get better at it. Dled some books w prompts and some plot development/character development/dialogue development books. Hopefully get somewhere

>>16310701
Well I was going to write a story about a guy discovers lost footage from a legendary film thought to be lost, based off of an old /tv/ shitpost called The Anvil Hoarder.
But then I wasn't feeling it and stopped mid-sentence.
I posted this in a previous thread with too short an expiration time so I don't think anyone read it. If you do, tell me what I should do instead of what I did.
https://pastebin.com/64wFtMZc

>>16311792
Coming up with unnerving concepts makes me feel unnerved and then I can't focus on writing more on the subject.

>>16311826
>unnerving concepts
What?

>>16311572
The attack is the starting point because its where he gets captured, otherwise it has no deeper importance. And he is less likely to respond with wit and more likely to respond with violence. I may have to rewrite his early character stuff to change his character - this is what I get for thinking it would be fun to write a story unplanned for once.

YOU

I know you are writing fanfiction

Don't you fcukign lie to me

>>16311835
Oh you didn't specify, I thought you were referring to "but how do I stop being affected by them?".

Regarding your actual point, it's an issue because the definition of "magic" is pretty ill defined in the first place. To the point where most settings have their own definition. If we use our world definition for it, it's an event which we cannot explain with the laws of physics, correct? But if there is any reproductibility to said event, then is it magical or just a law that we do not understand yet?

>>16308276
LibreOffice because it's a free download and nobody can actually tell it apart from MS Office. One guy on a forum years ago complained about it not having some obscure Excel feature and all the normies were scared off. Also, sometimes I like to bust out Wordgrinder on days when I'm feeling extra reddit.

>>16311874
You can make up whatever rules for magic you want, it isn't real.

>>16311885
that depends on the definition of "magic"

>>16311838
>otherwise it has no deeper importance
It doesn't need to be a big plot moment but without the reader knowing why the character does something and/or actually having some investment in the outcome, the scene might as well not exist and you could start with the interrogation right away.

Being up against slavers automatically creates some sympathy points anyway. Being captured sucks too, so that extra sympathy. Maybe an inspiring goal beyond escape could do. Or at least something as basic as suffering instead of ratting out his buddies.
>he is less likely to respond with wit and more likely to respond with violence
Externally maybe. But if you write from third person, you still have insight into his internal responses and motivations. "The slaver asked a question. MC asked himself how to rearrange his face." can be expanded on and lead to something witty without changing his brooding nature presented to the world.

>>16311895
It's your story, how are YOU defining it?

>>16311895
And "real"

>>16308276
I write in books. It has an aesthetic to it, no?

>>16311899
I was simplifying so as not to complicate the conversation but its causing some miscommunication which are my fault. The story so far:
>be not-viking raider
>pillage town
>hide out in cove until things cool down
>other not-vikings also come to hide in cove
>they have been unsuccessful and attack to get the loot
>wounded MC runs into the trees to escape
>ends up on a different shore of the island where slavers are anchored
>they save his life from the wounds but he is enslaved
>he loses his sense of purpose from being carted around on a slave ship
>eventually he will be sold and slowly recover his sense of purpose

I think I have simply failed to give him enough of a character because I didn't have the ease of the first person perspective through which to elucidate it. Like you say, I think the best bet is to go back and add sentences before/after the "rearrange his face" lines to make his internal thought processes clearer. I was going for showing not telling but I think I've shown an unsympathetic character so far.

>>16311900
I'm torn on the issue. I've used elsewhere the examples of superman and mutants from x-men to refer to things that would be magical for us, but on their universes it isn't. So if I created a race that has a healing factor like Wolverine, it wouldn't be considered magical, while say a blood mage who manipulates the cells of a body to, effectively, get the same effect, would, but is that type of distinction lost on readers? Is it too contrived? There are many interesting scenarios that can be created if you set these hard rules of what is and isn't magical, but these would have to play on the readers understanding of said rules, like leaving pieces of a puzzle scattered for them to mount.

>>16311901
True. If you had your feet slapped by a ghost, would you call that magic?

Hey guys, what do you think about this?
made from a pretty good selection of fridge magnets, and I like it.
I’m a novice at writing and not to devoted to it, but I enjoy it every once in a while.

>>16311956
Never expected to read fridge magnet poetry.

>>16311922
>he loses his sense of purpose from being carted around on a slave ship
Kinda reminded me of Jean Valjean. From what I recall he says only a few words during the first chapters and there are minimal internal reactions but Hugo creates sympathy by pilling up injustice on him (overly harsh punishment for stealing a loaf of bread, and even harsher punishment for trying to escape which has almost absurdist humor undertones) and then gives us the reactions and judgements of other characters towards Jean for being a convict. We don't even learn what he wants beyond a place to sleep.

How can I do a story with a lot of characters well? I know it's not impossible since there are novels which have a lot but outside of the main 4-5 there are a fair few characters that vary in importance and show up from time to time. I remember them but I know that's only because I'm writing it, it seems harder doing it a non-visual medium because while I don't think about their appearances too much even if I say "X looks like this" in great detail no one will remember

>>16308276
I use google docs and back it up every so often. Main problem is it's more efficient to split things into multiple docs especially since anything over about 70 pages can be laggy as fuck- but that said having headers that link to sections done automatically and being able to access it anywhere is nice.
I am interested in trying other stuff but so far I prefer it to word, libreoffice etc.

>>16311877
You'll run into problems if you ever work with other other and have to transfer .doc files between each other. Libre will render the Word formating things weird and vice versa

>>16312051
>memorable introduction
>they have distinctive roles to play
>a few recognizeable traits/quirks
>names one could pronounce without being under influence
>group them up, so our brains can make more connections to easier remember them

>>16311984
That gives me an idea. What about if I start the story with him enslaved and then every second or third chapter is a flashback, starting at home and advancing through the raid and the capture until we reach the start again. I could have a mini-story at home to humanise him even more and better define his character.

Alternatively I could keep the story chronological without flashbacks and just start it at home. What do you think?

>>16312123
I'm all about minimalism, so would start with him enslaved and reveal only the most basic information on the side as the plot progresses.

If you use flashbacks, they should be indeed a mini-story with everything that entails like arcs and rising tensions AND bigger relevance to the actual story happening than "and this happened before". If you can pull it off well, it'd be a decent call. But if you fuck it up, it'll be worse than totally skipping it IMO.

Starting at home sounds too basic. Feels like your initial idea or the already enslaved beginning would be better. At least there is a problem from the very, very start, which is always a pro.

>>16312098
That's helpful, thanks. I've considered most of that stuff except for the introduction, especially since a fair few will be introduced at once, so I'll think about it more.

>>16312171
I subscribe to the philosophy of "every scene should advance the plot or characterisation in some way" which i guess is fairly minimalist. I think I may have fucked up a bit with this philosophy by including a chapter for the raid, in which the MC is not super well developed and the plot isn't really affected except by the acquisition of the loot which leads to the later conflict, but this acquisition is never really in doubt. I think that a lot of the story will be fixed if I go back and add more characterisation just to the first chapter with the raid. It would remove the need for flashbacks. I think I just need to settle on a stronger characterisation is all, but it feels almost pointless to characterise a guy who is about to be broken.

So, any of you have a story on royal road or something? I want to see what kind of writers this board produces

>>16312207
Heh, for me it'd be "every sentence should advance the plot or characterisation in some way" but yeah, close enough.

I mean, it helps if we know a bit more at start, so it's not some guy getting broken but someone the reader doesn't want to suffer for extra impact, but that doesn't require too much stuff. Just strong stuff.

TBQH your fundament sounds decent enough to continue either way. Revisiting gets a lot easier if you have a complete picture.

>>16312298
Thanks anon, you have given me a lot to think about.

>>16312204
>especially since a fair few will be introduced at once
Well, that's a bitch to do and indeed feels way easier in visual media. Is there no way to hype someone up before? I suppose one could add contrasts between them so it gets a bit easier to tell the fucks apart at start, say if there is some tall skinny guy and a strongfat manlet for example.

>>16312051
>>16312318
I would try to avoid doing them all at once. I'd try to start with about 3, rotating between them and then slowly introducing more and taking breaks from earlier ones.

>>16311254
>implying there's a meaningful distinction when you're putting the vagina on a pedestal either way

>wake up at 1am
>ready and excited to start my personal NaNoWriMo
>10am, I managed the first part of the first sentence (3 words)
>12am finish the first sentence
>1pm (now), 129 words done and almost out of cigs
The burst is about to hit me, r-right?

>>16312359
>nanowrimo
Why do we allow plebbit in here again?

>>16312366
It's not like /lit/ is going to be full of the stuff in a month. Just roll with it.

>>16312359
>NaNoWriMo
What? Anyway for me the problem is getting started, I only ever start at night and can write a lot but end up going to bed way too late

>>16312380
>NaNoWriMo
National Novel Writing Month.
It's a thing booktubers and ledditors do in Novembers.
The featured stories are always YA-LGBT+ fantasy flavour of the month trash, so if you are writing that genre, then it may be worth joining.

>>16312380
I used to have a similar problem but once I got a job it was hard to stay up and I realised that your excuse is basically an alternate form of the "how do I write" excuse, the answer being simply "just write".

Have your ever masturbated to your characters before?

>>16312643
Not including ERP yes there was one time with my big titty fantasy lady.

Is it worth trying to write a purely emotionless character?

I've been experimenting with a different style of writing lately. Normally I sit there and agonize over each word choice and every sentence but I get a lot of negative feedback from things I've posted. Lately I've been using that gimmicky app that deletes your shit if you spend longer than five seconds without typing a character. It's an interesting experience, but I'm not sure I'm writing anything I would consider to be of higher quality.

>>16312643
Only after drawing her. Did some REALLY low effort coloring but it did the job anyway. And because she's asexual, it feels even more wrong. Which makes it right.

>>16312661
It's going to be tricky to get emotion out of the reader then. I went with cool, calm, no fucks giving MC at start but if he didn't care about the conflict he was in, how was the reader supposed to?

>>16312667
>if he didn't care about the conflict he was in, how was the reader supposed to?
I could see it being fun juxtaposing a series of crazy/impactful things with a protagonist who just isn't affected by any of it.

>>16312679
Would the fun for the sake of it work for the length of a story though?

I'm deathly certain RR sent out their shills for these threads. Never before had I seen even the name mentioned, and the rate at which it happens is very suspicious. It makes sense that the shilling is contained to /wg/, as a stranger to this board, intent on shilling, would probably land here where writing is explicitly mentioned. Earlier /wg/s didn't have RR mentioned at all.

>>16312691
Fun and its analogues are just what you use to make a reader give a shit about the things you actually want to say.

>>16312696
Is there an alternate site you would recommend?

>>16312696
If someone mentions Royal Road, insult them. They are 99% certain to be either an isekaifag or LitRPGfag.

>>16312696
Does it even matter? I never heard of it before either but knowing something being Watpad and Amazon exists as the nuclear option if traditional publishing won't work out, sounds useful.

Are there any rules about publishing it on one or could one just spam all of the "upload your shit here" sites? Also what others are there?

>>16308212
Got a "novella" at roughly 12,000 words which is comprised of about 1/3 poetry in rhyme royal scheme. I want it to get edited heavily by someone who knows what they're doing. I don't mind fitting the bill to hone the story so it's publishable. Any suggestions? The last thing would be to post it here by the way.

>>16310064
Personally, I can't stand laptop keyboards. I do almost all of my writing with pic related plugged into my phone at work. I've honestly been considering buying a tablet myself to save myself a bit of eye strain.

>>16312735
What language do you speak that doesn't have E?

>>16312744
It's got all the alphas, E is directly to the right of N.

>>16312759
So you're right, it's still a fucked up keyboard. Doesn't writing on something like that fuck you up for regular keyboards?

>>16312772
Yeah I can't type QWERTY anymore, or on standard layouts. The thing is tiny though, so I just take it with me everywhere I could be reasonably expected to use a keyboard.

>>16312735
Would you recommend this for writing with? I want a mechanical keyboard kinda.
https://www.amazon.com.au/MOTOSPEED-Wireless-Mechanical-Keyboard-Smartphone/dp/B07P8L8KTG/ref=asc_df_B07P8L8KTG/?tag=bingshopdesk-22&linkCode=df0&hvadid=&hvpos=&hvnetw=o&hvrand=&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=e&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=&hvtargid=pla-4584276304906237&psc=1

>>16312667
she's not the main character. I'm trying to frame it so the other characters project their own ideas onto her and find out later they were sorely mistaken. It's a real sticking point and I'm wondering if it's just because you can't really write a female character without emotions, which I'm really only pursuing to weird out the reader.

>>16308276
emacs
>>16310002
fuck you

>>16312830
I can't really recommend anything prebuilt under $150 or so. I don't mean that there's nothing under this price point worth buying, only that I personally can't recommend anything. What I can wholeheartedly recommend is that you stay away from mechanical keyboard CONSOOMERism, or even mechanical keyboards in general. Otherwise you might end up with one or more abortions like the one I posted and loving the shit out of it.

>>16313088
Top tier post

OpenOffice

>>16313079
If it's not the main character, it should be easy. I don't see how female even matters for it, unless your readership is meant to be semi-brain-dead men who expect two personality types for women.

>he hasn't read the dictionary
Terry Davis wrote a program where he could ostensibly talk to God. It was a random number generator that chose words. The words he supplied weren't the dictionary, they were his very own collection of words and phrases that he supplied to it. The thoughts that his God could communicate were heavily bounded by the lexical domain he supplied it. God could not form thoughts that didn't allow Him to have. You are no different. If you want to write, you must read the dictionary, there is no other way. Learning words any other way creates a bubble that greatly limits your the very possibility of expressing yourself. Reading a dictionary will allow you to get a more Bayesian grasp on the English language.

>>16310579
>That't true, and all these rubes are completely off the mark. None of them go to the necessary depth or carry out the proper systematization. All they have is observations, but no unifying theory to reliably make sense of them.

>>16313293
Accidentally made this comment into a quote lol

>>16308276
Latex

>>16310248
Indeed, have you read the graffiti on the walls of Pompeii? Basically any thought you can articulate easily without the aid of building complexity through writing, has surely been thought of before, and by someone even probably very stupid at that.
>Weep, you girls. My penis has given you up. Now it penetrates men’s behinds. Goodbye, wondrous femininity!
>Chie, I hope your hemorrhoids rub together so much that they hurt worse than when they every have before!
>Once you are dead, you are nothing.

Are there any examples of novels where the main character doesn't enter the story until halfway through?
I think a few Conan did it, but are there any others?

>>16313329
I post this at every opportunity

>>16313329
>>16313349
Lol indeed shitposting is an ancient art. The one exception is that my rivals are degree-holding academics at prestigious accredited universities. And yet they still can't see the bigger picture. Perhaps these two facts are not unrelated.

>>16313316
tryhard

Anyone here gotten published in /lit/ quarterly?

>>16312359
>almost 7pm, 893 words
This "chasing the wordcount" meme isn't going too well. Feels like I could bloat things up and add a few hundred more but adding complete bloat and dialogue that goes nowhere to reach a target sounds stupid.

How do you guys, do it? Do you just keep writing until you can't squeeze out more or make sure the stuff actually progresses the story?

>>16311819
Is there some joke or reference that I'm too retarded to see here?

>>16313972
It's a /tv/ meme. It died out when mods started deleting any threads about it.

>>16312294
The quality doesn't need to be good to draw an audience, the most popular things on their is a litRPG.

>>16313995
How cute, /tv/ had their own Keit-ai.

>>16314025
Yes. We knew the director's name, we knew about many scenes that supposedly were in it, we had names for the main cast, and we knew there was a scene where the town baker jerks off a dog.
I wanted to write about it because I want people to remember.

>>16308276
emacs

>>16313944
No, I write until I hit my daily goal, even if it's shit and I'm fucking sure will delete it all tomorrow, I still sit down on my ass and write. Discipline is harder to acquire than quality

>>16312696
I think it might be my fault, I found royal road and started posting how much some writers are making on there a few threads ago.

posted my writing here, people said it was fantastic.
demoed my writing to normies/publishers, they said it’s too wordy and fantastical, and trying hard to be smart.

are normies retarded or am i too smart

>>16308212

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/13626022/1/You-Must-Promise-Not-to-Laugh

Are any of you big brained enough to get the punchline?

>>16314056
Post it I want to see.

Any smutbros here who do the whole self-publishing on amazon/KU? I wanna make a few bucks on the side but I assume that means I need to write furry shit and try and hide it from the censors.

>>16314056
you're too smart, yes. the entire world is wrong about you sweetie, you are right and don't let anyone tell you otherwise!

>>16313944
>>16314052
I wouldn't write too much if it's just bloat. If I'm writing pointless words just for the sake of the word goal then I usually slash the word goal from 1000 to 500 and focus on quality. That is not to say abandon word goals. I just personally hate writing bloat knowing that I'll delete it.

>>16314056
Post it. You're probably very pretentious.

>>16314052
>Discipline is harder to acquire than quality
Fair point. And man, it sure is. But holy shit, HOW? I get forcing oneself to write when you need to progress and maybe writing something shitty just to advance to the next scene but actively padding even when you know 100% it's filler trash feels so fucking wrong and goes against all of my instincts. Also it feels like cheating. This whole "hey, I could keep the dialogue going about nothing, and drag it on with reactions, and add a few pointless descriptions … shit, still not there, how about drifting into memories, fuck, why not mention the memories to the other character for extra dialogue!"

>>16313944
Measuring your productivity by word count is of limited value. Writing is a qualitative practice, and how many words you write speaks of nothing as to the quality of what you write. Telling yourself you have to grudgingly write out x amount of words per day like some child laborer at a sweatshop forced to meet quotas, might even pressure you to go for quantity over quality and produce stuff that will be cut in the long run anyway, netting you less words in total eventually.

>>16314072
>>16314116
>>16314131
Those times were his favorite of the year, when briefly, for even just a few hours, something would awaken deep in the restaurant’s underbelly. Rising to the surface, like air bubbles from a sinking ships last pockets of air, he’d feel the walls around him come alive. As the voices from happy patrons would echo off the walls, they’d go, and come back with something new. Their reverberation off the aging hardwood walls would bring them a piece of that history, sticking to the soundwaves like a sober Grimley to Monday morning’s first scotch and orange juice. The awakening of a long dead being, as if the vibration of the air molecules helped the dwelling become unstuck in time. A journey into the golden age. Drunk middle aged townspeople. Giddy with thoughts of family, giving, the season of togetherness. Milan’s favorite time of year. He’d never have much time to appreciate it, each second of relaxation was soon followed with shouts for another drink, at another corner of the bar, by another face he’d never see again. Sometimes in those holiday seasons he’d think of hiring extra help, but was always persuaded otherwise by the greed that comes when one works for only himself.

Milan, partly satisfied with getting to the bottom of Grimley's word choice, still felt mostly unsure. Livelihood. He sighed, and dumped the remaining spit-water of his beer into the sink.

>>16314056
Given how 4chains is full of pseuds and reddit full of retards, and given how it failed to reach both groups at the same time, as top tier writing usually does ... it’s probably around alright and okay, and you’re a midwit.

>>16314221
"unstuck in time" sounds like you lifted it from Vonnegut

>>16311103
Vim is designed to be used to edit files broken into short lines (ideally of 120 or fewer characters), and it famously handles very long lines (e.g. paragraphs) awkwardly.

This mapping makes j and k move by visual lines, not logical.

Those movements are only really used for finer adjustments though, mostly you'll be moving by specific character, or word/sentence/paragraph.

If you are curious, this has a good overview of things to consider, but obviously everyone's vimrc is going to differ by taste: https://vim.fandom.com/wiki/Working_with_long_lines

Also for what it's worth, I actually use neovim, which among other things has far saner defaults, rendering some of that article unnecessary.

>>16314221
Gotta agree with the normies. Way too many words used to describe so little while very much remaining on surface. It reads like someone who wants to write good instead of letting it happen. Also not much actually happening doesn’t help.

But hey, it’s also fairly decent on the technical side. Without any big lows (or highs).

potential/10

update:

writer's buttplug just arrived

>>16314374
What model?

>>16314221
Boring, I'm afraid.

How do I post on royalroad? Will I get rich immediately? Should I use a penname so my murder mystery (get this! It’s told from the perspective of the killer!) doesn’t get me in trouble at christian school?

>>16314485
yes brother, up everything up the cloud road

>>16314221
>like air bubbles from a sinking ships last pockets of air
feels totally out of place unless this is a boat restaurant or something

>>16309391
This was my introduction to RPGs. An asynchronous text based 5e game. I think the doc with everyone's posts still exists, even. Though it was a fun game, I can't imagine it's easy to read.

>>16312294
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/31062/saga-of-the-cosmic-heroes Sci-fi space opera that isn't isekai or gamelit or anything. But a bit on the anime-inspired style.

>>16312696
I've been here since the first few threads popped up and there's been a few mentions of it here and there since the beginning. A few of them were by me when people asked what I worked on so I provided. But I try to do it sparingly.

Royal road was first on /a/'s isekai threads but it since died off. Lots of butthurt anons would get triggered and direct people to /lit/ where there wasn't a thread like these for a long time.

>>16312722
There's also scriblehub, quotev, webnovel, and a few other chink ones. There's also a forum-based one called Spacebattles.

Is there a freeware Scrivener?

>>16312735
>>16312830
>>16313102

I fell for the mechanical keyboard meme and got a $150 vulcan. It looks cool with its blazing lights and all, but I can't fucking write with it because it makes such infernal racket I'm sure to get evicted if I write at night. The keys are so tall too typing for long periods of time hurts my fingers. It's terrible.

Laptop keyboards are best, the keys are short, light, minimal finger movement and no noise whatsoever.

>>16309403
When writing a LitRPG pulp series for market is it better to publish it chapter by chapter on Royal Road to garner readers and then switch to KU, or go straight to KU? Thanks.

>>16314528
I think the beta one is technically free? But it's beta releases expires every month so you have to wait for it to get renewed

>>16314528
yWriter if you must have all the bloated shit scrivener adds.
LibreOffice if you just want a basic word processor, with some scrivener features.

>>16314455
The feel good model

I like walking around the house with it inside while thinking of ideas

>>16311141
Describe the jaunty jiggling of her bouncy breasts -- with each step she takes towards enlightenment, the reader takes one towards the Little Death; no middle-aged existentialist man possesses either breasts or the power that they hold; this is a story that NEEDS the protagonist to be female

As far as Royal Road goes, there is such a fucking volume of low quality trash there, but surely, there must be some gems.

Is there some elitist forum/community for it? I don't want to wade through all the trash - I want for other people to do it for me.

>>16314657
There used to be a few cabals—and likely still are. The one I'm in technically counts as one, but they're going to change trending so people don't do review swaps and game the system as easily.

>>16314657
Don't know. I've personally dropped every single fiction I've tried to read there, though I haven't tried that many in the first place. I think the furthest I ever got was four chapters in. The forums are completely useless for finding anything because it's just the users endlessly shilling their own shit.

>>16314691
There's a thread tailored for promoting others work which is a nice break from, well, literally almost every other thread in the Recc forum. It's a nice thread and I'm surprised it wasn't done sooner

>>16314691
How are the guides and advice there? (Are there any?)

>>16314691
>The forums are completely useless for finding anything because it's just the users endlessly shilling their own shit.
I understand some people want to make money, but this leaves everyone on their own, writing for shekels, everything atomized.

It would be great, if you know, people formed groups where they would write what they want to read and try to push this internet writing thing forward.

>>16314714
Even that devolved into self-promoting. Seriously, think of the sheer gall of a person, who nonchalantly links their own work in a thread about "your favorite author/book". It's kinda hilarious what an absolute shit show the forum is, really

>>16314725
There are some pretty in-depth guides on various topics, actually. I haven't looked so close, can't vouch for their quality, but there are materials and passionate users willing to help, yes.

>>16314725
>spam your work all day
>spam it some more
>shit out as many words as you can
>quality doesn't matter, all you need is to engage the reader in those first few chapters
>remember to put lots of tits in your story
>remember that most readers just self-insert
>remember that they're just looking for wish fulfillment
>nobody wants to read, commission some twitter artist to draw some boobs and paste them in

>>16314530
I had the misfortune of growing up with old school mechanical keyboards, so the transition to rubber domes has always felt off to me. Unfortunately, there is a large and growing market expensive, too specifically tailored for my brand of autism, so I'm trapped in it. I just fucking love mechanical keyboards. It's like a virus. I heavily recommend to everyone who's happy (or better yet, who's never thought about it) to continue not giving a shit about mechanical keyboards. Here be dragons.

>>16314730
That's exactly what I'm thinking. This whole "ironically writing shallow garbage for profit" thing is honestly driving me nuts, and RR profiling towards that sort of thing shits all over the few people who genuinely want to write and get their voice heard.

>>16314816
>the few people who genuinely want to write and get their voice heard.
I tried doing advanced search -fantasy -sci-fi -romance (to wade out all the genre panderers), but mostly it's STILL just genre crap. I'll read anyone who seems like they're genuinely trying to express something, but that's like looking for a needle in a haystack.

>>16314678
And how does one find such cabals?

>>16314864
botnet networking :^)

>>16314886
>:^)
How can I use my old s4s connections to get in? I know gippo dudee

>>16314886
Is that code for Discord or something?

>>16314534
Ah, well, I don't deign to bother with such dorky nonsense. Next question, please.

>>16314924
Why art thou such a raging faggot?

>>16314935
That guy said questions about "literary arts" not light novel inspired fanfiction
if you want money, get a job, don't pollute the internet with words
also, what the fuck is KU?

>>16314564
What about Manuskript?
I almost downloaded yWriter but the sample images are just dizzying. I can't imagine working with that.

>>16314952
Kindle Unlimited

>>16315018
>I almost downloaded yWriter but the sample images are just dizzying. I can't imagine working with that
It's basically just Scrivener in a Windows 95 skin.
Everything is in the same place, it just looks old.

>lonely, misanthropic and bitter to the point that writing normal, social people is a pain
Why did I pick up writing, when social interactions are usually what make up most of it? How did I forget, that I was always reading fiction as a window into a more normal life, or a sort of a substitute for it?

Goddamit. At least my prose is better now. But there is no way anyone is gonna find my incel writing engaging.

>>16314221
I agree with the normies. You're trying too hard to be smart and putting in a bunch of descriptions that don't really tell me much. It's not terrible in the sense that the prose and grammar is fine, but if you're trying to tell a story it just doesn't work too well. I unironically recommend reading Stephen King's On Writing

>Start writing
>just devolves into complaining about black elves and space jews

Why am I like this?

>>16315071
just get big ideas

>>16315242
I guess I might as well bite the bullet and start doing the "mystery with a punchline" type of story. That's what I see his sci-fi stories as anyway.

>>16315283
you can always write about nonfiction

>>16315354
my diary desu?

>>16314952
>le hungry artist meme

>>16315392
>le patreon beggar

>>16315018
Have you tried Atomic Scribbler? I think it's under some different name now though.

https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/35434/an-ode-to-swordsmen

I'd appreciate some more feedback if any of you anons have the time. I figured that I'd start getting a few followers now that I have a few chapters out, but it's just not happening. There must be something I'm doing wrong, so I'd appreciate any insight you guys can give me

4k from finishing this book. I just want to be done with it.

>>16315071
Normal people are boring. Write the kind of people you think are interesting.

>>16315523
Post synopsis, and first 2 chapters.

>>16308276
Word

Which one came from here?

>>16315507
>I figured that I'd start getting a few followers now that I have a few chapters out, but it's just not happening.
>There must be something I'm doing wrong, so I'd appreciate any insight you guys can give me
That's reality for you. Look at it this way - how many stories are you following?
Oh, wait. It's zero. What story would you even follow, and why? Are you even interested in literature besides your own?

>>16315561
Nah then I can't publish it.

>>16315604
>3/4 sci-fi
>the remaining one is romance
honestly, none of them seem very /lit/, but "post human" sounds similar to "no longer human" so it might be that one

>>16315632
Why not? How would anyone find it here anyway if you delete it afterwards, and even if they did, who cares

>>16315660
It's not worth the risk of having the book taken down by algos. What's your interest in it? Compare yourself to me? The tragedy of this board is no one will post their best stuff.

>>16315674
>the risk of having the book taken down by algos
sounds like a spook
if a publisher doesn't like it, then you're dealing with a legal entity and not a person, so you shouldn't be dehumanizing yourself like that and just look for a different publisher anyway

>>16315631
Good on ya for following through with it anon! I'll read the other chapters later, just have 5(well, 4, 1's a complete slog) other fictions to follow on as well as animu to catch up on on top of my own to write still.

>>16315699
Amazon algorithms not a publisher. I'm going to self-publish it in KU.

>>16315792
did you even respond to the right person, I don't get your post at all

>>16315792
big oof, meant to quote >>16315507 It's wise to have a bit of a backlog of chapters to dump every day or so to get any real exposure for new readers and stuff, since that guarantees you'll be seen on the 'Latest Updates' on the front page.

It wouldn't hurt to drop a self shill in the monthly promo threads (right now, it'd be the September one) since you might get a few readers from there. It's been mentioned before but Royal road sort of prefers quantity over quality (which I think is true with starting out) and exposure from review swaps can also help a little along the way... which is getting increasing frowned upon by the site admins.

>>16315833
yes

>>16315631
I'm fairly new to the site, so I haven't taken time to read much aside from a few chapters of some of the top novels on trending. I'll keep looking around to find some stuff I like, and get to reading novels that other anons are working on

>>16315888
>>16315792
I have thought about writing enough to have a backlog, but given that it has been taking me a few days to get a chapter to a state seems decent enough to me, I'm having a hard time with that. Might just take the time to get a decent amount of chapters done since I don't have people eagerly awaiting new chapters anyways

I'll check out some of the forum threads to see if I can get a couple review swaps or something. I imagine having some good ratings goes a long way with getting new readers

Also, thanks for the advice you've given me so far. Assuming you're the person I'm thinking about, your critique on my first chapter went a long way towards improving my dialogue and writing quality

>>16315957
No prob, I'd just hate to see yet another abandoned orphaned series on this site/the web. Just be aware that the reason review swaps might come under scrutiny in the future is that most from what I've seen don't actually bother to read to latest chapters and it's glaring obvious who's reviewing it out of their genuine interest and just putting in the bare minimum.

The other anon's jaded as fuck but he's partially correct that most other writers don't actually care about other people's works and it's kinda depressing, but that's just reality. Don't let that bring you down though and keep on writing

If you are an ESL, should you learn to write in English or your native language?

>>16308212
Can someone post the meme with the guy refueling at a gas station at night looking around and someone wrote what was going on through his head?

>>16308276
literally google docs is all you need.
saves your shit to the cloud so you dont have to fear losing anything

>>16316068
Depends on which one you read more extensively in. I read mainly english literature so in my first language I write like shit. Writing in your first language is always faster however.

>>16316008
I plan on seeing it through to the end so that I can learn how to craft a decent novel. Hopefully I'm able to figure out what I need to work on sooner rather than later

Checking out your novel now and it's pretty good so far, anon. Nice job

First person or third person?
Past tense, or present tense?
Which circumstances condition that you opt for one or the other?

>>16317034
There is no right answer, it depends on what you're trying to accomplish.
Some consider 3rd person to be more "ambitious" or expansive in terms of the reach it grants the narrator. But first person is more intimate and, because we experience life in first person, more familiar.
I have no strong feelings about tenses. Some say present tense is more compelling an immediate, but most people intuitively think of a story as being recounted, implying the use of past tense. Again, it depends on what you are trying to do.

>>16317055
I want to tell the story that's loaded with symbolism which alludes to the main character's backstory. Since I'd like to reveal what said backstory consists on little by little, I don't know if it will sound natural when done in the first person, since the reader will have a direct access to her thoughts.

>>16317085
Well, a backstory suggests events that happened in the past, so past tense makes sense.
According to psychology people actually tend to view their past in the third-person. For realism's sake third person might flow more naturally.

Is there anything more exciting than to be in the midst of a big writing project? I find myself constantly thinking about what's going to happen to my characters next, what the next steps of the story are, imagining the plot points for the future I already have planned. It's genuinely a locus of joy in my life. I don't understand people who say being a writer is miserable, I never have more fun than when I'm in the midst of a project like this.

>>16317246
Nope, I feel the same way. I have a stack of history books detailing the time period I'm writing about coming in the mail. Wanting to expand the world of my story has caused me to read more than I have in a long time

>>16317246
There are few things that make me feel as purposeful and in full possession of my powers. It's a far cry from having to grovel for a normie job from some mediocre corporate who has never had an original thought in his life and being viewed as a number.

>>16317246
>>16317705
>>16317715
All of this. And it's a must to keep in mind this joy at all times, for there will be times when you read over your work and find it insufferable, amateurish and embarrassing; then you realize no one would ever appreciate your work the way you do, the unfair treatments it would receive from people who couldn't spare a chance to read through it. But remember the joy of creation and you will surely get through those trying times.

>>16317754
>the parchment is hairy
very concerning

>>16308276
A plain text file

>>16308212
That's honestly an elite setup. Wish I had thought of that.

Anyone recommend Scrivener? I will get a trial and test it out, but not sure if I should buy it outright.

>>16318213
Why would you do it right away? Workflow differ. It might be perfect for anon A but suck for anon B.

>>16308276
Vim+LaTeX
I compile it to .pdf if I need to show it to anyone

>>16314526
>a few other chink ones
Ah right, now I remember tapas.io too. Thanks, anon.

Do you think this could work on royalroad? I was thinking of making it a comic but I'm not good enough to draw fights.

I need money.

>>16318407
Sounds like a interesting premise. I'd read it def.

>I need money.
Think small first.

>>16318407
>MC is a neet
You've ticked at least one box on the criteria list, so maybe idk. Maybe try a more traditional fantasy story so you won't get burned out in the long run. I don't know if traditional fantasy I popular or not over there though

>>16317754
Not only that but every good writer doubts their own work. They always keep in mind a nagging thought that it could be better, and this is what pushes them to exceed themselves. This is probably true of any exceptional individual in any field.
Writing, like other arts, are an exception in the sense that there are no mathematically definite final answers. A mathematician might doubt the quality of their work, but that's because the left side of the equation does equal the right side. There's no guesswork. The computer scientist might feel like a failure because their algorithm, while producing the correct result, takes 10 milliseconds to resolve rather than 1. Writers have no such metrics to measure their worth against. They only have their insecurities. But if those insecurities are healthy enough to spur you on rather than shut you down, continue apace.

>>16318407
You lost me at MC bit, it seemed interesting until then. (Although the biggest curiosity boost came from OP mention) Writer self-inserts are pure cringe but could maybe work if there is more to him, the goal is decent enough but just not enough for me. NEETs are damn boring too. (And if he has the smarts to cheat without people finding out right away, surely there is more to him)

The ways street fights work seems confusing based on the info given. Group could use more color and be less generic but the crow does give it a cool twist.

So far there is nothing that would make me go "OMG, I WANT TO KNOW MORE".

>>16315071
>But there is no way anyone is gonna find my incel writing engaging.
Then write fun self-insert fantasies. You're right that no one wants to read the 20000th bargain-bin knockoff of Notes from Underground, but maybe they'll want to read a story about adventures in a fantastical world and encounters with strange and curious characters. Don't fall for the realism meme.

>>16314530
>Laptop keyboards are best, the keys are short, light, minimal finger movement
Patrician take.

As someone who unironically used a real typewriter a while ago, I never got the hatred for the minimal travel on Apple's butterfly keyboards. The keys were still firm and precise, and typing on them also felt you're you're magically summoning text on screen due the minimal travel and effort required. And since the fingers have to move less, it did never got tiring once one got used to the mechanism. Shame they bowed down to the bitching.

>>16318471
Hate to say it, but the problem of self-doubt isn't unique to art. It's funny you mention mathematics, since that's a field where it can hit you the hardest. Research math isn't about solving for x or calculating expressions; it's about proving theorems, statements about mathematical systems. The problem is that this is a rather hard endeavor in many cases. Developing proofs can often feel like dead reckoning across the Pacific -- you have no reason to believe you're even going in the right direction, no reason other than your instinct.
There's a funny story, of which I cannot find the source, about a mathematician who spent seven years trying to prove a certain statement. He then asked himself: "What if I try proving the opposite of this statement?" and wrote a proof in fifteen minutes. All human endeavors are like this.
the only reason I wrote this post is because I really like that story and wanted to share it

>>16318536
Kek.

Not him but yeah, I agree, the self-doubt is almost always there for any pursuit that lacks a direct action > consequence sequence. Shit, it can even happen in management. You just solved a conflict between two workers and it seems all fine now. Or is it? Time will tell.

>>16318536
I was being rhetorical, and nothing of what you said contradicts my point. The larger point that I was making is that you KNOW with finality that you have reached your goal with the exact sciences, but you can't with art. Because the criteria for truthfulness are inwardly supplied rather than objective or universal.

>>16310248
To return to this, I'm reading both my stuff and their stuff and I find myself using even the EXACT SAME terminology even though I worked in complete ignorance of them. What the fuck is going on!? It's no mere coincidence at this point.

>>16310701
I have nothing to share Im actually contemplating starting to though since I may want to make a career out of writing. Im nervous though I dont want to go to college and Im not sure how to approach all of this to be honest. Like do I start making a blog or youtuber videos so I can actually get picked up by a publisher? Do I join any communities near me or anything, and I want to write philosophy so Im worried if Im just fucked because I refuse to be in academia. I just want to be able to publish books and write on my own timetable and not work for some newsletter slaving away. Either Im going to start practicing writing anyway and write for my own fulfillment

>>16318699
Get an unrelated job and make it a hobby. If your actualized work ever comes to fruition, then you share it.

>>16318429
I wouldn't be, like, dependent on the money I could gain from it but I have another project for which I'll need some money. Not a lot but some I can't just make right now.

>>16318440
Should I try running like market research on the site? I know if I try fantasy I'll just get bogged down in world building.

>You've ticked at least one box on the criteria list
NEET protagonists are popular over there?

>>16318478
>Writer self-inserts are pure cringe but could maybe work if there is more to him
I hear you. I've dropped books, legit books not YA/genre books, because the protagonist felt a bit too much like a self-insert. When I decided I liked it well enough to turn it into a story I started to make him as different to me as possible but as you said, NEETs are boring.
Just to be sure, though, what do you specifically think make NEETs boring? I agree with the idea; they have very few things to do daily, have always similar personal conflicts, and their goals are either truncated or tiny.

As for the fights, yeah, I haven't worked out the logic of it yet.

>Group could use more color and be less generic
>So far there is nothing that would make me go "OMG, I WANT TO KNOW MORE".
What do you suggest?

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>>16318644
Here there is a definite cultural dependence. You live in a world where Leibniz and Newton have been had huge influences for centuries. You're most likely writing in modern English, which was also the native language of Newton. Both Newton and Leibniz were building on the work of the same earlier mathematicians (Fermat being a notable influence), dealing with similar problems, writing their technical works in Latin. They even became aware of each other's discoveries pretty quickly, which means they were part of the same transnational communication system (at the time it was letters, but it worked well enough). It's really not so surprising that two exceptional minds came to the same conclusions in that case.

>>16318702
Thank you I had a feeling it was something like this I just wanted confirmation since nobody I know writes and google search results dont help. That sounds better than me making stupid youtube videos and writing among myself just to actualize my thoughts is more than enough for me, I just want the chance get something published down the line before I fade from the Earth

>>16318536
>There's a funny story, of which I cannot find the source

Iirc a similar thing happened to Cantor. When I was a freshman in uni, our teacher had us solve a problem of basic theory, which was done with a counter-example, and then told us "It actually took Cantor 13 years to find this counter-example. In his defence, he was trying to prove the opposite."

Hate myself and want to die lads

>>16318699
You need to go to college, man. Don't fall for the "joooz just want to you go get one those good goy degrees" shitposts

>>16318735
*basic set theory

>>16315507
>I figured that I'd start getting a few followers now that I have a few chapters out

You've put one (1) new chapter out since the last you asked. That's three short chapters in almost two weeks. That doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in your ability to maintain a stable schedule and finish the story. Nobody has probably even noticed it exists. It doesn't help the story is generic as hell and boring. If you're gonna pander to the chinks then you'll need more personality or take the cultivation pill.

>>16318738
No you don't, you just want to be someone else.

>>16318738
Don't give in to it anon. It's just a parasitic thought loop trying to convince you that you're worthless. It's pretty much like a neurological liar demon.
Don't listen to it, instead try to do what you would advise a good friend to do if he came to you and told you he was depressed.

>>16318723
Well I appreciate your effortpost. But my specific case has nothing to do with Newton or Leibnitz. I was using that as a general example of a phenomenon. It makes more sense in their day because the information sources were much constrained compared to today. Nowadays everyone is plugged into their own personalized information feeds and there are no single sources. N and L were almost assuredly reading the same sources, but I highly doubt me and my contenders were. Cultural similarity certainly plays a role. The fact we are all experiencing the same world at the same time plays a role. But the fact that we would use the same exact language???
I could be accused of plagiarism had I not discovered these academics who were independently using the same terminology.

>>16318739
I dont really care about the jews thing I just dont care for college and the careers I had an interest in I realized would leave me miserable. I wanted to be a history professor but I realized academia is terrible and the chances of them actually making me a professor is slim since they’ll just use me for low wage slave work and after that I thought of trying to be a lawyer but then I realized I would work myself to death, be bored & annoyed out my mind, and I dont care about having money so it would be meaningless to me. Ill just work as a bartender or something while I try to score something in a library position through connections or work on a farm. College offers me nothing but debt Im not paying off, paperwork, and schoolwork thats the opposite of engaging. If im desperate ill do community college but I doubt it

>>16318761
Get a job cutting sheet metal or something. You'll get paid for doing things that require no thought or effort and you'll be able to spend all day thinking about your writing, so when you get home you're full of stuff that can be put on paper.

>>16318753
>Don't listen to it, instead try to do what you would advise a good friend to do if he came to you and told you he was depressed.
I wish I had friends.

>>16318780
There's just the slight problem of factory work killing your body and soul

>>16318727
Working to get published is chasing a ghost in this climate, especially given how you feel about academia. And I can imagine the industry is even worse. Recognition is a drug, you will never not have the opportunity to post your work on the internet or to simply tell the people you interact with on a daily basis, that you’d like them to read whatever you wrote. I know it’s tempting to envision yourself as part of the annals of great human literature, but trust me everything else is at the most simple motivation, and at worst a poison to the purity of your mind.
The same goes for any creative discipline imo.

>>16310701
I'm not too comfortable with working on my writing right now because my TOEFL exam is a week from today and I feel guilty about not studying for it.
Even then, I'm here haha.

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>>16318709
>NEET protagonists are popular over there?
Basically loser protagonists with no redeeming features, the so called self inserted.

Would you guys be up to reviewing my outlines in the future or this is the wrong thread for that?

>>16318780
Yeah that sounds fine I guess, as long as its not too loud, I can be with my own thoughts, and not want to kill myself I dont really care what the job is or how much money I make. I just need enough for basic necessities and small other things I buy like books and cigarettes

Is it /lit/ to purchase a house?

>>16318856
No but it's /lit/ to purchase land, then build a house and write about it.

>>16318839
>>16318709
>NEET protagonists are popular over there?

Fuck no. People want to self-insert as an OP badass who gets everything with no effort, not as some worthless faggot

>>16318813
Dont worry I recognize that as well and if its really that bad I wont lose sleep over it and just focus on writing for myself and turn it into a book on my own or something. Like you said recognition is a drug, I wont lie being part of humanity’s great philosophical discussions would be cool (thoughts like that is what made romanticize going into academia in the first place) and I humored the thought but I know that isn’t important and not what matters. What matters is actualizing my thoughts on written paper, if people wish to indulge ill let them.

>>16318709
>what do you specifically think make NEETs boring?
In the sense the word is usually used, it implies a sort of passive drifting in life (which is common in protagonists at start of a work but also such a turn-off for me and almost kills the interest instantly unless they are forced in a crazy life or death situation right away). If we just talk about the actual definition, it's w/e and doesn't say much. Since you mentioned OP, take Luffy. He might be a NEET by definition but also very driven when it comes to his life and makes things happen instead of sitting on his ass, waiting for an opportunity to become pirate king.

>What do you suggest?
The initial description of the group could try to include some sort of conflict or at least personality/goal that makes it obvious that there will be tensions. (Though it's obviously very hard to do in a green text and short summary)

You actually did it with your MC: A writer who is supposed to survive street fights is instantly somewhat interesting because that's not what people picture writers to do. It raises question, of how the fuck he'll actually do it. That's why I liked the crow too, it's fresh, it's weird, WHY is it doing it? HOW will it affect the story? The others don't create any sort of curiosity for me.

Everyman and strongest of the group ... tells us almost nothing about the character. Nor doesn't raise too many questions. And it can be alright for one. But the second generic description raises the boredom exponentially for me. Even something basic like a pickpocket instead of just a street kid would add something more defining. What about the personality makes them the voice of reason (something that sounded like a role for the everyman)? Say, if the character is a pacifist but gets into this shit anyway, there would be instant conflict between values and reality.

As for the very last bit, shit, nigga, I wouldn't know. It's where the magic happens. Even summing up my own story in a way that makes me go OMG, I WANT TO READ MORE isn't something I feel I accomplished yet, despite liking the stuff a lot and knowing it inside out.

The goal of the protagonist and the main conflict often does the trick but even then; going back to One Piece, I never cared too much about "becoming pirate king" and it was the art style and PIRATES YO that made me look into it. With a novel one only has the cover for that instant attention.

>>16318846
Depends on the story and length.

>>16318856
No but its /lit/ to purchase a farmhouse and be a farmer

>>16318846
I'll do whatever I can be bothered to do to help, which will rely on conciseness.

>>16318863
>>16318879
Would also recommend planting a vineyard and apple trees.

>>16318905
Don't forget a window seat for rainy days

>>16318917
This like that is pretty and all but makes me anxious about some random animal jumping against the window or some weirdo spying.

>>16318869
god speed
I wish that education wasn’t commodified and it was possible to learn from a communion of great minds, without having to worry about utilizing your knowledge to provide basic necessities. I agree with the other anon that college can be an invaluable tool in development, but practicality dictates...
Essentially communism of intellectual property would be ideal.

>>16318917
Don't forget the fireplace and the DOS WordStar computer

>>16318872
>take Luffy. He might be a NEET by definition but also very driven when it comes to his life and makes things happen instead of sitting on his ass, waiting for an opportunity to become pirate king.
i hate this entire post, but i hate this part the most. you've got to go back

>>16318872
Fuck you and your giant gay ass post faggot

>>16319009
Why would taking action tilt anyone so bad. What's so fascinating about doing nothing and whining about doing nothing?

>>16318923
This.
I'm so paranoid that I cover all my windows, tape over the webcam on my computer, tape over both cameras on my phone ( of which I want to get rid of soon and upgrade to a dumbphone)

>>16314952
>One must always give something of himself to the devil that one may live
Pride isn't good for you, anon

>>16310701
i've been slacking for a year and it's almost my birthday. can't have this, lads.
finishing dubliners gave me the kick i needed. i'm gonna pick up the pen. will do my best to have my shitty ~1k word piece published.

>>16319020
your ideas bore the shit out of me. what you posted reads like the most surface'y bullshit i wish i could say i've ever seen. in reality, you're just expressing a worldview which is so common there are special places for it, like r*ddit and f*cebook. nothing you've said implies even the smallest amount of independent thought in any way. it's an aggregate of the most basic opinions you can possibly find on an impressive range of subjects. i didn't reply to you because i believe nobody should take action, or that everybody should do nothing and whine about it, or whatever dumb bullshit you've cooked up in your head. i'm replying to you because you don't belong here.

go back

>>16319673
What ideas? I offered observations and examples. It's the authors job to come up with ideas.
>it's an aggregate of the most basic opinions you can possibly find
Basic information leads to basic observations. Kinda the point, really. And nothing that should provoke such a strong reaction unless...

You chose to quote the part about "acting and making things happen instead of being passive" as the thing that gave you the strongest feelz … what's the point of writing another paragraph whining about me if you can't even explain what you disagree with.

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