/lit/ - Literature

>>16303581
Nigga, stop being a bitch ass nigga.

>>16303581
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUn4l8C1g2c

>>16303581
Stop feeling feels.

Turn that fear into motivation. Achieve something that will outlast you.

Memento mori

Sein und Zeit

>>16303581
The Denial of Death.

>>16303581
I can't wait to die. Fuck my life

>>16303581
There are three posibilties:

1. Have Montaigne's practical advice to rob your enemies of the power of fear over you, and rob that self-inflicting cowardice over yourself as well(many thinkers have obviously said this basic second part, which is the most essential).

2. Like Plato believe in a higher good beyond suffering and pleasure, life and death, that fear only degrades you in.

3. Focus on death in a purely temporal fatalistic sense like Nietzsche or Heidegger or Mishima and religiously see a defining character to your being. See >>16303587

>>16303628
isnt that basically what religions do?

I have a better idea as build a delusion around our mortality. Free panic killer for all.

Realize that life is transitory and pointless, e.g.
>desire something
>get desire
>feel good for a couple weeks
>new desire forms
>chase that desire
>die
And that death isn’t even an escape from suffering. Try The World as Will and Representation

>>16303642
Yeah. You wanted a solution and he offered one. Either man the fuck up and deal with it on your own, or take refuge in a metaphysical system. But either way stop bitching and shitting up the board. That book would help you some though.

>>16303581
literally all books. Actually all art, philosophy, and science as well

>>16303665
I m not op, i just believe in technical solutions for meek person. And to be honest the most religions maybe help you to cope with you mortality but scare you in the long run even more.

>>16303581
There are three posibilties:

1. Have Montaigne's practical advice to rob your enemies of the power of fear over you, and rob that self-inflicting cowardice over yourself as well(many thinkers have obviously said this basic second part, which is the most essential).

2. Like Plato believe in a higher good beyond suffering and pleasure, life and death, that fear only degrades you in.

3. Focus on death in a purely temporal fatalistic sense like Nietzsche or Heidegger or Mishima and religiously see a defining character to your being. See >>16303587


I should also say, obviously all of these thinkers and parts take part in the other in some way. Because of the exact nature of death to all. All great religions contain in themselves these revelations of life and death: " Not into the remotest contact is he brought with the religion of any of the civilised (gesittete) nations; for in truth he has no religion at all—merely the belief in certain promises of his god which in nowise extend to a life beyond this temporal life of his, as in every true religion, but simply to this present life on earth, whereon his race is certainly ensured dominion over all that lives and lives not. Thus the Jew has need to neither think nor chatter, not even to calculate, for the hardest calculation lies all cut and dried for him in an instinct shut against all ideality." A Valhalla, a Heaven. And so you should realise death is nothing to be feared, insofar as you fully accept its reality.

>>16303581
>still fears death
Weak shit. Just keep reading philosophy and that will eventually go away no matter what your ideology ends up being

>>16303673
Based and truepilled.

>>16303581
Tut-tut- tut and what's his name? and also you know who....

It really dioesnt matter hwo you put up on the list, just that none of them be missed!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2TtwciqMsc

>>16303581
Eternal life is more frightening than eternal death desu

>>16303664
>And that death isn’t even an escape from suffering
uh but you don't sense anything when you die? how is it not an escape?

>>16303581

>>16303581
>Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to “die before you die” and find that there is no death

>>16303692
I hunt becuz mann is the most dangerous game of all. Watching your idiot dauter die is even more funn then hunting wild game in the forrest.

>>16303692
I'm interested in this. What does this book attempt to prove? Does it solve anything?

>>16303689
Maybe if your life stands as it were in a state of life-death, "Peace? A brutal lethargy is peaceable, the noisome grave is peaceable. We hope for a living peace, not a dead one!"

>>16303581
I hope one day my life can be good enough that I fear death.

>>16303705
Their is nothing more envigorating then seeing a fat basterd beg for his life

>>16303707
Based

>>16303699
How could anyone buy into this retard? Does he think that because he looks funny he's a spiritual master?

>>16303691
Consciousness isn’t a part of the thing-in-itself. Read Kant and Schopenhauer.

>>16303581

https://realization.org/p/ashtavakra-gita/richards.ashtavakra-gita/richards.ashtavakra-gita.html

>>16303710
Wow edgy.

>>16303685
thanks anon

>>16303721
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oU8cyV8mzTE

>>16303716
>die
>no longer conscious
>no longer know or sense anything for eternity
nothing matters for (you) after this point

>>16303710
There is nothing more exhilarating, as meet an predator in a back street and pretend to be sane.

>>16303581
Have you tried reading the bible and entrusting yourself to our Lord Jesus Christ?

>>16303730
The (you) isn’t actually (you). Your true nature is Will, the thing-in-itself. Read Kant and Schopenhauer.

>>16303731
I wish fatty werre here. I would pants him in front of his friends so they could all laugh at his tiny 3 inch dick. Then I would stab and kill him

>>16303707
my life is mediocre and I fear death way more than most of the well off people I know. I guess I'm just a pussy or enlightened, or maybe both

>>16303731
What was that fat lardass lady teachers name? We need to insult and mock her too. I hope Mr S comes back on so he can see it and tell her. I want him to say "he says your a fat fucking pigg and I agree with him. Now go play hungry hungry hippo"

>>16303725
Oh wow man, I'm real SPOOKED. But you should know, I've seen the movie Zodiac.

>>16303757
Actually i get surprise attacked by an dude who do hard labor all his life. But because i play so much games i simply avoided i am and he crushed into the street.

I personally tough it was very pity that so many people stand around me watch us. This boy really needed a lesson.

>>16303780
Since vege doesnt appeal to you, how about jaime?

>with or without his privates?

>>16303780
I won't discriminate great from small. No, Ill kill anyone AT ALL!

>>16303581
Anything by Carl Jung
Michael Newton's Journey of Souls even if you aren't particularly religious

>>16303740
The (you) is the only thing I know and am aware of. When the brain stops, I am no more.

>>16303832
I recommend that you look into transcendental idealism and Schopenhauer. The brain is what conditions phenomenon (the world as representation, knowledge gained a posteriori) through a priori categories of the brain. Time and space are how your mind filters phenomenon, but time and space are not a part of the thing-in-itself. The thing-in-itself is the Will, and, being outside of time and space, it knows no death. The thing-in-itself is (you), and your consciousness is only a tool it uses to see.

>>16303581
Reading will amplify this fear you tard. Engaging in NPC activities and getting out in the real world, so to speak, is the antidote to all your fears

>>16303874
Right, but once you die you can no longer see.

>>16303891
Do you think you need to know to exist? The Will wills, and it always wills to be. This is the doctrine of rebirth. You won’t be (you), but you will be conscious of being another (you), so pain does not cease.

>>16303901
>but you will be conscious of being another (you)
I wish, but what about the time before your birth?

>>16303581
Take LSD.

>>16303909
>what about the time before your birth
Time exists purely as a phenomenon of brain. It is not a part of the thing-in-itself.

>>16303916
Took lsd. It made it worse.

>>16303917
I (me) came into existence when I (me) was born, and I (me) will cease to exist as I (me) know myself (me). It doesn't matter if there's some spark or energy igniting (me), the fact is that once my brain shuts off I (me) will be like I (me) was before my birth, dead for eternity.

>>16303917
Mmm, in philosophical terms perhaps but on a scientific basis it indeed exists. Maybe not in the same sense as the layman interpretation of it but space-time is a continuous presence in our reality.

https://youtu.be/CINMNKQIJrk

>Common wojack post problem
Why so many replies and no one comes up with the right answer?

>>16303930
(You) are not (you); (you) are Will, the thing-in-itself. You don’t have to believe me, but if you are interested to learn more you could read Kant and Schopenhauer.
>>16303931
Reality is phenomenon and not the thing-in-itself.

>>16303581
My feeling is almost the exact opposite. Books for understanding this feel?

>>16303581
The theory of relativity disproves the idea that after death it's just complete nonexistence. Since consciousness is inherently bound together with time, and time requires an observer, you can't meaningfully speak about a nonexistent consciousness. Even if every religion is false and there is nothing beyond the universe, the only logical possibility is that after you die you'll just go back in time to your birth.

>>16303581
The ones you write yourself.

>The ones you write yourself.

>>16303581
If you aren't mixed race you should reincarnate.

Suicide note the book

>>16303581
Yes, you're going to die. You will no longer think after you do. You will no longer be. There will only be your remains. But you won't kill yourself. You and I both know that. So you have two options: live the short amount of time you have in life continually stressed over your future non- existence OR you can live it without that stress. Essentially, stressing over it is irrational because it does nothing to fix the problem and it can only hurt you. Meanwhile death in itself is not painful. Once you are dead, there is no pain. So the only hurt death can give you is in your anticipation of it, which is completely your own making.

So I ask, do you choose to suffer unnecessarily or not to?

>>16303948
>hmmm maybe I still want to exist
Butterfly will have to spiritually shoot herself first as to not face her fear of death.

>>16304051
What?

>>16304018
How did the universe exist before consciousness if there was no consciousness to perceive it?

>>16304088
That's just Berkeley saying God is the greater consciousness.

>>16304088
It didn't

>>16304057
Maybe people are afraid of not existing retard? And maybe you pretending as if you don't want to exist is just a cope for your fear of it?

>>16304047
I subconciously choose the suffering path. why am I like this?

>>16303948
We did, its just better to tell him to actually read a book instead of feeding him some random quote that wont solve his fear

>>16304105
>>16304106
Proper idealism with the cop-out of a God always seemed off to me. Have you ever thought that the thing-in-itself exists outside of time and space and makes up the phenomenon that we perceive? This would mean that everything is truly one.

>>16304116
I don't understand what you're telling me, what do you think of Hegel and Schelling anon?

>>16304122
The thing-in-itself is that which exists outside of perception. It is, in Schopenhauer’s terms, the Will (which connects into Buddhist thought). The Will and phenomenon are the same thing viewed from two different angles, the Will being metaphysical and phenomenon being reality as perceived a posteriori through a priori categories (time, space and causality).

>>16304150
Schopenhauer got a lot from Hegel and Schelling and he was quite dishonest here.

>>16304107
There’s a natural desire to want to live longer. But that will wear with age. But I have no fears of death at all. Pain in this world is what you have to endure.
One of those pains in ANXIETY felt from the irrational fear of death. Banish the anxiety with the proper frame of mind. I’m not “pretending to not want to exist” and this whole Epicurean method is very effective cope.

>>16304112
Okay.

>>16304108
Some people just have a hard time stopping depressive rumination. Ultimately feeling better is about stopping those thought processes from ruling your life. Meditation can be a good practice to help alleviate that problem, as the whole essence is learning to nudge away from internal thoughts to focus on current sensations.

the fear comes from clinging to the idea of an unchanging self/ego that is annihilated at death

but there is no such thing. there is just this ongoing process of mental clinging. "I am a self", "I am an ego", I am going to die", "I will be dead and gone, destroyed", "I will perish".

There is nothing more substantial to 'yourself' than these ongoing ruminations. Train yourself to stop that sort of self-talk and all that remains is just the presence of nervous system sense experience (ultimately all of which, as an aside, is actually dukkha). "But whose sense experiences!?" you ask. But that's just more ego-talk, you've been trained your entire life to have these thoughts, it's a pattern that's hard to break. Who? Myself? Me? My? I? Ego?

Once you genuinely grasp this, there is nothing to fear. There is no self or me or my or I that perishes. Just ultimately disatisfactory sensory experience that ceases. The nervous system stops sustaining consciousness.

>I'm terrified of not existing

also keep in mind you'll never 'not-exist'. death is not some blackness, nor darkness, nor void, nor even dreamless sleep. There is literally no post death state for 'you'. Consciousness ends, the body stops functioning. There never was a 'you' in the first place. Nothing exists that has now lost itself, and doesn't exist. And the suffering is over.

>>16304193
And here we see it, you have no pleasure, philosophy comes to the point where either you must reject pleasure as the goal of life or live in un-thunk delusion and you have sticked with an idealistic pleasure and vanquished a desire to know more. Please do not do this, so many stupid people I have met have said the silliest things while in this state of mind, an it generally will only hurt your life and others by effect. Be kind, and be honest to yourself. To give a very basic example which somewhat detracted from this but is not the only example of it, you are not consistently seeing truth as always the most pleasurable.

>>16303581
I recommend the gun. The dead fear the living.

>>16303716
this is also a pretty fundamental concept in buddhism

>>16303581
"death" by Sadhguru

I can't imagine a lifestyle that would make me afraid of death, it's all so tiresome

>>16304857
Schopenhauer is pretty much the link between western thought and Buddhist thought.

>>16303953
No need to read anything to understand the concept.
When you die you'll be born again because life is eternal.
This new life will have no connection whatsoever to the "previous one" but it will be you.

>>16303581
Read the dialogues on the trial and execution of Socrates

>>16303581
The Conspiracy Against the Human Race

>>16304150
When I go to sleep, it might be the case that I suffer, but regardless, I am not concious of it. Who gives a shit lol

>>16305497
Here, I’ll try to explain the metaphysics a little bit more clearly:
—(You) are not an individual; the individual is an illusion.
—(You) are the thing-in-itself, the blind Will.
—The Will is blind and strives senselessly; consciousness is only a tool it uses to perceive itself, a set of eyes it uses and discards.
—The thing-in-itself is everything; (you) are everything; the distinction between subject and object is illusion.
—Space and time are categories of mind and do not exist outside of mind; the thing-in-itself is outside of time; (you) are outside of time.
—Death is essentially changing one perspective out for another
—(You) will suffer as long as the Will wills itself to be

>>16305548
So the thing-in-itself is G-d?

>>16305576
If you want to be a Hindu instead of a Buddhist, yes. If not, no, it’s senseless and is the cause of all suffering.

>>16305583
What were Schopenhauer's views on art?

>>16305548
If we accept your unverifiable premise that we are basically God, how does it logically follow that suffering exists, if neither time nor space exist independent from this supernatural being? And thus, if suffering does not exist, then I will not suffer post death, especially considering time is not real, which means whatever my current condition is will not change, except for consciousness, which must not also exist, since there was no beginning and thus no end. Therefore, death will be just like this, except I will not have a physical body.

>>16305607
>if neither time nor space exist independent from this supernatural being?
It’s not a being. It’s a blind force that wills itself endlessly. Schopenhauer also thought that the Will and reality were the same thing but different, essentially two sides of the same coin.
>And thus, if suffering does not exist, then I will not suffer post death
Suffering does exist. It’s a part of being conscious.
>especially considering time is not real,
Time is an a priori category of mind. It’s real in the sense that we all have to adhere to it, but yes, the thing-in-itself is outside of time.
>which means whatever my current condition is will not change, except for consciousness, which must not also exist, since there was no beginning and thus no end
I’m not following you here. The nature of reality is change, but “reality” is not the thing-in-itself, at least not exactly. The thing-in-itself is what our mind and senses perceive in order to get reality, but it is not the objective nature of things.
>Therefore, death will be just like this, except I will not have a physical body.
Definitely not following you here. You will continue to be, but you will have a physical body and consciousness of some sorts.

>>16303614

>Wanting to leave a legacy

ishyggdt

>>16305636
The claim rests on there being such a thing as a "blind force".

>>16305668
I’m not telling you to believe me without proof, but I would recommend everyone who’s interested to read Schopenhauer and Kant. They can explain it a lot better than I can.

>>16305662
Everybody wants to leave behind some legacy in the form of kids, art, scientific study etc. But a retarded redditor like you wouldn't understand this simple truth.

>>16305674
I am a psued with no gf and mentally ill. Dont for a second ever think you arent anything but perfect. I am still being filtered by plato

>>16303581
I'm terrified of death not existing

>>16303642

He's talking about Becker's book which is a great recommendation.

>>16303581
Atlas Shrugged maybe.

She explains that a common fear of existing arrises from society browbeating each other into refuting reason and value, and as a consequence people do not bother equipping children to face the world with confidence to face their reality with hope of valuable experience. Just about everyone has bought into this vicious cycle of a lack of understanding of the value of living the best one can, and with every effort attempt to stifle the motion of the world into paralysis. They do not believe life is worth living and worship death as a means of ending life, which they find unbearable.

Personally, I had a moment on Saturday where I was suddenly able to perceive something I had been ignoring. I was walking through Barnes and Nobel scooping up the good shit and I realized that, outside of the section where they keep classics, every single fucking book was about death, or torture, or the insignificance of men.

People will try very hard to break you of your fire to remove an example of their unmet ideal from the world to assuage their guilt. Opt out. Notice from now on how the vast majority of conversations you have involve others leveraging your pity to attempt to force you to accept mediocrity and kill your individuality. I am here to report that you need not open yourself to that pity, nor engage the lie they propagate. But the habit may be strong for a bit, or awhile. You may feel powerful guilt for refusing to avoid upsetting people who are upset by goodness. Consider that your guilt is a consequence of consideration for people who are willfully exploiting your conscience to turn it on the best parts of yourself.

You’ll be aight.

>>16305813
What THE hell are talking about

>>16305411
sounds like cope to me

>>16303581
Nigga, stop being a faggot and stop posting in imageboards

>>16303581
I quite often(every other night usually) have panic attacks on this subject. I flinch in a cold sweat, sometimes accidentally injure myself because of hopelessness. I am terribly frightened by the thought of nothingness. It occurs to me that I will not be able to feel at some point and that everything I go to will eventually turn into nothing.

>>16303581
Obviously, The Death of Ivan Ilyich, How Much Land Does a Man Need?, and What Men Live By (in no particular order).

Or take the antiquepill: https://rentry.co/12theses

Or check another thread I'm making in a minute.

>>16305711
> only 27 tabs

>>16305963
If i really wanted to cope i'd rather believe that after death an eternal paradise is waiting for me (maybe it is the case).
i believe that life is neverending because that sounds pretty logical to me, even if of course i don't have any definite proof or certainty about it.

>>16306088
Yeah, I’ve done this since I was 14 and I’m 38 now. Sadly, there’s no way around this truth. We live in the worst possible existence imaginable, where we can conceive of our inevitable eternal non-existence. But it’s a good reason to distract yourself with what you enjoy, let your conscious do what it does best (forget time is passing while being ‘in the moment’), and most importantly - be kind to others. There’s no reason not to, they’re here too after all.

>>16306248
It certainly isn’t logical. Logic tells you that your experience stops when your connectome dies. I don’t blame you though anon, I want to live after death too.

>>16306261
>Sadly, there’s no way around this truth.
You have never read a book

https://www.gutenberg.org/files/1944/1944-h/1944-h.htm#link2H_4_0010

>>16304819
>you have no pleasure
Nonsense
> philosophy comes to the point where either you must reject pleasure as the goal of life or live in un-thunk delusion and you have sticked with an idealistic pleasure and vanquished a desire to know more
Even more pretzeled nonsense. So
> Please do not do this
Done
> so many stupid people I have met have said the silliest things while in this state of mind
Give an example if you can.

> you are not consistently seeing truth as always the most pleasurable.
Let me just accuse you of the same right now. I have the truth and it’s the best way to live.

>>16306274
It is logical, i haven't said that my experience would continue after death because it wouldn't.

>>16306291
I don’t read as much as people here I’ll admit. The most assuring books I read on the matter were Fear and Trembling, Siddhartha, and The Denial of Death. But the relief was temporary; the mortal fear always endured. What do you recommend?

>>16304806
>but there is no such thing
>there is just this ongoing process of mental clinging. "I am a self", "I am an ego", I am going to die", "I will be dead and gone, destroyed", "I will perish".

so what's conducting/coordinating this process? if there is no glue holding these thoughts together, how can they ever become associated?

>>16303581
test

>>16306298
But did you banish the anxiety? From my understanding the treatment for gender dysphoria are HRTs which are administered by a trained physician.

>>16306338
I was just checking you with bait
You should read Abolishing Freedom by Frank Ruda

bump

Jakob Boehme, Georg Hegel and Martin Heidegger should do the trick.

>>16306298
>> you are not consistently seeing truth as always the most pleasurable.
>Let me just accuse you of the same right now. I have the truth and it’s the best way to live.
No you brainlet, I'm saying the truth is more important than pleasure, you say that pleasure is the goal of life, hence you cannot always maintain truth is the most pleasurable, though you may say you desire it now, in your deepest despair and comfort would you really? I think not. Especially when you make a conscious effort to call pleasure the goal of life.

>>16303581
It’s very natural for the mind to be scared of non-existence. The mind wants to live forever and experience pleasure forever. I don’t believe trying to get rid of this fear will get you anywhere. If you want, try psychedelics though because some terminally ill people came to terms with their death from them

>>16306378

>>16303581
>not just longing for the abyss
lmao

>>16303581
>He thinks life ends at death.

IQ filtered

>>16306378
One idea is that the self is modular. It's not like evolution dictates that all our mental abilities were developed at once in organized fashion. Rather, different regions developed for different purposes at different periods of time. To this point, the inner structures of our brain are considered more primitive while the cortex region is recent. Different parts of your brain may have instinctual impulses that you act on that you then interpret as being the will of a coherent self when really you're a disjointed mess.

>>16303581
Why would you be scared of not existing?
You won't feel anything when you don't exist, you won't exist.

>existence ends when you die

You have to be 18 to post here.

>>16303581

Read Epictetus

>>16308017
yeah, something like functionalism right? currently taking phil of mind

but how can it ever be (incorrectly, as you say) rationalized that 'this fear reaction is sourced from my will'? how does the 'my' even get off the ground? like, where CAN that even come from?

as far as the word 'i', 'my', etc. go, it seems like they definitely refer to something. not necessarily the body or the brain, but least partially your subjective experience that allows you to ingest data and respond accordingly. beyond each individual component (memory, visual experience, auditory experience, tactile experience, etc.) there seems to be one above all that can see and at least acknowledge all of these streams of input. are you saying that this entity is illusory? it almost seems straight up impossible to deny it, it's just plainly there.

>>16307943
so The Will To Life is a bootstrapped metaphysical entity that is everything

as far as this might be true, is there any reason to import this kind of an entity into my metaphysics if i'm a materialist? im not a materialist, but still - what makes this theory of being more substantial than another?

and, to both:
how can you realize there is no "i" if there's no "i" todo this realizing in the first place? what content does the command "Train yourself to stop that sort of self-talk and all that remains is just the presence of nervous system sense experience" contain, if its equivalent to "Train something which doesn't and never existed to stop that sort of self-talk and all that remains is just the presence of nervous system sense experience"

>>16303581
The Bible

>>16308311
>so The Will To Life is a bootstrapped metaphysical entity that is everything
It is everything, yes.
>as far as this might be true, is there any reason to import this kind of an entity into my metaphysics if i'm a materialist? im not a materialist, but still - what makes this theory of being more substantial than another?
Idealism has a bunch of advantages over materialism. If someone is set on being a materialist and believing that a transitory self is their true nature, I’m not going to stop them, though. All I can ask is that they actually read Kant and Schopenhauer.
>how can you realize there is no "i" if there's no "i" todo this realizing in the first place?
The “i” exists in the same way dreams exist. It’s not the objective state of things, but you can still experience it and think that it’s real. The Will takes up an identity to experience itself, and this seems substantial to you because the Will is also what creates your categories of mind (e.g. time, space and causality), and everything you think is real is filtered through these categories.

I’ll reply once I’m out of the shower.

>>16308499
i'm a phil major (mostly ethics) who's had to deal with some Kant but we haven't done any Schopenhauer and you have my interests piqued


my main question is: how can you remedy the claim that the self doesn't exist with the fact that there are numerous references to the self in your theory of self?
> you can still experience it and think that it’s real.
> this seems substantial to you
> the Will is also what creates your categories of mind
> everything you think is real
like, what entity are you referring to here? i'm sorry if i seem dense, or that i'm not getting it. in the case of dreams, we can pretty readily say "dreams exist referentially (they don't actually exist, but we can refer to them)"
but with the self, it seems like you can never refute the self without always having to assume a self/being in the refutation

i just see this all in Descartes' argument
>your self is illusory as it was constructed by the Will (evil demon)
>but how can something that is not possibly be rused?
>it's like dreams, it's something you made up/convinced yourself of
>but, how could convincing go on if it doesn't exist in the first place?


i've had to read the prolegomena to any future metaphysics by Kant, and now i will start the world as will and representation
i heard schopenhauer deals with kant in a way that makes it even more clear than the original, is that true?

also, is Schopenhauer inspired by Spinoza or Berkeley? it seems pretty similar at least

>>16306801
>But did you banish the anxiety?
Oh yes.
>HRT
Seriously? I am not a male, nor have I ever been.

>>16307931
>you say that pleasure is the goal of life
Epicureanism is called negative-hedonism. The “goal” if you want to play reductivism, is freedom from anxiety in order to withstand momentary pains that come with life.
So you keep throwing “truth” into this. Truth co es from facts. It would be. A truth and a fact to find oneself tortured. So no, obviously Truth isn’t the most pleasant thing in life. When I said I have the truth, I wasn’t saying I worship Truth as the good of life. The truth, in the facts, is that life is very much like a grindstone that will wear you out eventually. Again I have no anxiety over this. Only a slight residual pining for an extended healthy life, which I will get over in fifty years time or so.

>... Especially when you make a conscious effort to call pleasure the goal of life.
Freedom from anxiety. Pain is naturally unwanted, but endurable to a strong will. There are many who are capable of withstanding the worst a torturer can imagine. There are many who fight back a terrible disease or the like. We are as capable as warrior, and fall to our death just as often as them. The worst torture the weak feel is in their heads.

>>16303581
Four Quartets by T. S. Eliot.

>>16308622
>how can you remedy the claim that the self doesn't exist with the fact that there are numerous references to the self in your theory of self?
If I make a reference to the self, it’s purely out of convenience. It’s extremely hard to explain things with language without referring to some sort of subject/object distinction, which doesn’t exist in this philosophy.
>like, what entity are you referring to here? i'm sorry if i seem dense, or that i'm not getting it. in the case of dreams, we can pretty readily say "dreams exist referentially (they don't actually exist, but we can refer to them)"
but with the self, it seems like you can never refute the self without always having to assume a self/being in the refutation
In Schopenhauer’s philosophy the self/consciousness is not a part of the thing-in-itself and is merely a tool it uses and discards. I think you might be getting confused by the fact that the rules of time, space and causality are only a priori categories of mind and do not apply to this force. Correct me if you think otherwise.
>I just see this all in Descartes' argument
Descartes argument certainly does apply to the reality we all experience through a priori categories. But the point is that these a priori categories themselves are simply filters for the thing-in-itself, which exists entirely outside of these categories.
> i've had to read the prolegomena to any future metaphysics by Kant, and now i will start the world as will and representation
I definitely felt like a lot of Kant’s philosophy clicked with me after reading Schopenhauer. It definitely is hard to get used to the concept of transcendental idealism, though, because we’re so used to thinking as time and space as things that exist objectively and applying their rules to logic.

>>16308750
>>HRT
>Seriously? I am not a male, nor have I ever been.

implying transwomen on hrt are male
transphobe

>>16308311
Well, my main point was that the self is modular, so I'm not arguing that the self doesn't exist in any sense. I'm speaking in contrast to an intuitive notion that the self is this stable coherent thing that authors its own actions. When we do something, we tend to not want to ask ourselves why the thought to do the thing arose. We just go along with an idea our mind generated without our exact conscious control. Similarly, as someone writes a post, they do not actually control which words will come to their minds. Rather, their mind just generates the words that it automatically does before we perhaps add or remove words. Yet there is this definite sense that "I" authored a given sentence. But it's not as if you had complete control of the process. So that's an area where the concept of self can start to be deconstructed. The other way is asking if there's anything that's unchanging about our experience. So in buddhism you try to observe your own subjective experience via meditation. What you recognize eventually is that you can psychologically distance yourself from streams of consciousness you were previously fused within. As you focus on your breath, you might realize you lapsed into thinking of a conversation that happened a week ago without you expressly wishing for the thought to arise, for example. Again, you don't feel like you authored the thought when you closely observe things. It just arose. And on top of that, if you feel detached from the thought, viewing it like one may view a leaf going down a stream, as a sort of passing curiosity that really has nothing to do with you, you see how quickly the thought fades. That only reinforces the idea that you, whatever that means, are not merely your thoughts. So you peel back the layers and find that this applies to pretty much all aspects of your internal life. But their does seem to be one last refuse for a stable sense of self: your self awareness. Your ability to observe yourself and your inner life. But this isn't a stable self either. Before you became aware that you were distracted from your breathing with a random memory, you completely associated with that thought and had no self awareness in the matter. That aspect of mental life too is transient.

There are of course senses in which we are selves. We do have bodies. Our bodied have a history. The body we have is ultimately responsible for our thoughts. We do have a mental life and without it we would have no sense of self. But what we don't have is a stable self that is an author of action. We are rather a disjointed assemblage of parts that tug our actions one way or the other to the point that it doesn't make much sense to consider these parts to be a coherent whole when taken together.

>>16303581
I was exactly like you before but then I read Adi Shankara and it cured me completely. So that would be my advice to you. Read Advaita literature, Adi Shankara especially.
>inb4 guenonfag
I'm not. I never talk about Advaita on 4chan nor do I browse the threads(if they still exist). I don't even study any of it anymore. But it so thoroughly cured me of existential dread and the thought of going from existence to non-existence, something as a lifelong atheist/agnostic I thought was impossible.

youll never experience death. your experience when alive will always have existed and will always exist as the shape of time. stop thinking in terms of one way time. youre a ship of theseus spectrum of baby-dead baby. do what you do. wallow if youre into it

>>16305684
>>16303614
no legacy lasts. only moments in time last forever. art or science provide nice moments that will have always been. having kids too, but dont have kids op.

OMG BROS BOOKS FOR THIS FEEL

>>16308300
>tfw can recognize Arnold by his body, don't even need to see his face
Kinda homo desu.

>>16303581
Technological Slavery

>>16303700
It solves everything

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>>16303581
lel you bonobo you will never be dead so what is there to fear??

>>16303583
based nigga

>>16303901
So the (you) who is not me would have to deal with it? So it's a differed challenge and pain who lies to another after my dead? Like a batton pass?

>>16310187
(You) would have to deal with it because (you) are everything. There’s a similar concept in Hinduism you can look into if it makes it a little bit easier to understand. Basically, everything is truly one, and the distinction between subject and object is a part of phenomena and not the thing-in-itself.

>>16308750
You consider yourself a warrior elsewise you would not be able to carry out the philosophy you claim. What opponents do you have to boast? You were a mean girl in High School, or daddy gave you some emotional trauma to tangle with. If neither you're just talking out your ass about your untested principles. But if you need a daddy to test you, I, your biggest fan, will take on the burden.