/lit/ - Literature

>no cure for the human condition?

Read Colin wilson's outsider cycle

>>16288040
I can't stop getting boners even tho its bad

>>16288040
>just delude yourself with jewish fairy tales

>>16288045
No books help me

>>16288053
I will say a prayer for you anon

>>16288053
Its useful for normies, let them have it its one of the few copes thats good for you

>>16288040
>>16288078
These.

>>16288033
Read Escape From Evil.

>>16288033
The cure is The Dance

>>16288033
There are plenty of cures, read some bloomer /lit/, Ethica helped me (though his point about commonality between all humans is a false assumption from a time before evolution was known about, which refuted the notion of ethnopluralistic harmony). Ishmael’s variance of perspective in Moby-Dick is an interesting one, though possibly dangerous.
Stoicism is very normalfag but is a good way of coping whilst working on the self and weathering the world at large, it should not be your only foray into philosophy, in fact you should read very little and focus on another thing centrally.
>>16288040
>>16288071
Based but bluepilled cryptojew
>>16288078
Christianity is too universalist for it to remain the control of the masses in a rational society, it might lead back to humanism again.
>>16288093
Explain. Sounds esoteric.

>>16288145
based and substantiapilled

>>16288145
>Explain.
recognize yourself as an historical figure- a sequence of relations. Move your body accordingly.

*Revolts in your path*

>>16288053
must be a rough life, having an IQ greater than 80 but below 130

>>16288410

>>16288033
People have lost their sense of self and worth due to easily accessible vices, cult of materialism, and automation brought by modern technology. Progress will destroy us, only embracing nature can redeem us.

Ignorance - that's what's best, really. To be completely obtuse. To be so oblivious as to never think for a second about one's purpose in life, to never think about the meaning of life, to never think about the value of life. To have no broader perspective, to just think that this is how things are, and so what? You have to do, what you're supposed to do. Then, no matter how cruel, this world would be a paradise. Calm, peaceful and serene. Trivial things would be major and major things trivial, and life could be lived to its fullest.

>>16288221
Based and redpilled if I understand. Do you mean to say that we should “play our part” as it were, within the movements of history?
>>16288526
Embrace monky?

>>16288550
Correct
Unless you are satanic and want to upload your consciousness into a VR Muskworld, but leave earth to those who want to be work with it aka monky

>>16288550
yes. preferably in a way which is aesthetically pleasing. work yourself into the mosaic.

>>16288588
We are all part of the Dance already. Each and every person has a predefined role. There is no pointless person, everyone is a cog for the world. Even the tragic cog just spinning in place in a completely meaningless location, even such hollowness greatly affects its surroundings.
An existence that doesn't affect the world, true solitude that does not relate with anyone, it doesn't exist even as a nonexistent existence. Even existences that were long ago rejected by "reality", those fantastic and illusory existences (whether they were called gods or demons), continue to affect on the world.

>>16288587
I don’t want total technological regression, but we should be far more conscious of how it affects our lives at least, control it far more. We shouldn’t try to deny our biological forms, we should expand our civilisation, but slowly and consciously, considering what we’re really doing. We certainly should not escape into made up fantasy worlds of hedonistic pleasure, and transhumanists are scum. I hope we agree fren.
>>16288588
I’ve had similar thoughts before, but you’ve put it especially well and beautifully.

>>16288616
dance with purpose. take pleasure in it, rather than cowering from it.

>>16288093
Why would you settle for that though? That's just becoming another object in the world.
First: There is no irreplaceable person in the Dance. If you don't do it, somebody else will take your place.
Second: If something must happen, it will. There are certain unavoidable events in this world.

Cure? More like the disease.

>>16288033
>there’s no cure for a made up concept
Joke’s on you for believing in such a thing .

>>16288688
>emotions are made up

oh boy, life is gonna hit you like a truck

>>16288693
>muh feelings

>>16288693
>being totally beholden to your endocrine system
I cannot conceive of anything more metaphysically cucked

>>16288078
>normies
>spirituality and not disgusting liberal, nihilist hedonism
Ummm

>>16288033
>never read ecclesiasties
>never gonna make it

>>16288678
processes supersede objects. you are unique insofar as the sequence of relations which make up you will never be repeated quite the same way. history is symphonic in nature and should be enjoyed as such.

>>16288410
If it isn't possible to raise your IQ but possible to reduce it, should all midwits give themselves voluntary brain damage so they lose around 10-30 points and enter the sub 95 realm of bliss? Or would they still be midwits even after, because it is in their nature, even beyond IQ, to be midwits?

>>16288698
>>16288716
>reducing the human heart to "muh feelings" and the "endocrine system"

Goethe wept - the human soul is dead. Thank you, psychology. Thank you, neuroscience. You have explained away everything, yet explained nothing whatsoever.

>>16288033
>human condition in anyway connected to human needs
We didn't ask to be born, life has nothing to do with our needs. We are needed, not in need. Fucking hylic tards.

>>16288794
Needed for what? Needed to masturbate to anime?

>>16288033
adulting

>>16288311
>spirit/soul
Fairy tale cope

>>16288033
everyone with the answer isn't speaking
don't mistake silence for death
People still scream of ghosts

>>16288638
OP here, Transhumanism gives me hope. I can't envision a good version of reality

>>16288730
Ecclesiasties doesn't help me in THIS life

>>16288033
people have run out of choices. stupid faggots. only way out: suicide. physical or spiritual.

>>16288045
I remember some anon recommended this in a philosophy thread a few months ago. Can you explain it a bit?

>>16290360
Is there nothing you enjoy in life?

>>16288033
Of course there's no cure for it. That's why it's called the human condition. As long as you're human you can't escape it.

>>16288410
The “geniuses are religious” theory is a massive cope. The geniuses of old are religious as a product of their time, and as a rule do not subscribe to the standard teachings of Christianity.

>>16288033
It somehow reminds me of the mouse utopia experiment
https://youtu.be/0Z760XNy4VM

>>16290533
How do I commit spiritual suicide?

>>16288719
The purpose of religion is to instill morals on the everyday citizen, its obviously failing spectacularly at that right now but that’s because of many factors it wasnt in control of.

We haven't even reached out peak yet, it's true though that nothing in reality existence can ever truly satisfy you. It's like with sex you can only get so close to your lover, but your molecules are still separated by a chasm. Don't stare into the abyss, life can be incredibly sublime and fun

>>16288145
>it might lead back to humanism again.
Good point, I think Christianity is one of the better religions to be a part of overall but historically its lead us to doing some dumb shit

>>16291613
I’m willing to wager a good majority of them only said they were religious so they wouldnt get in trouble with authorities

>>16288805
Humans seem to be the only species who works 8 hours and still barely survive. Compare this with an lion who hunts all 4 days for 2 hours.
>>16288033
Just tease your kids into anger and slavery.

Ty lizard overlords.

>>16288033
>essentialising the ills of a particular group of people in a particular area of the globe in a particular epoch under the term "human condition"
why do people keep doing this?

>>16288033
>there is no cure for the human condition
agree

>>16288410
Can you please elaborate on that. I keep seeing this phrase. Why in IQ greater than 130 makes life less rough?

>>16288033
people don't have their physical needs fulfilled, a physical need is interpersonal comfort and also fucking, look up maslows hierarchy of needs

>>16288033
>Most people have their basic needs satisfied
Wrong.

>>16288465
where does 135+ get me

>>16288048
Erections are the result of indulging sexual thoughts and media and allowing arousal to occur.

>>16288033
Big Mac: $7
Sex: free
30 mortgage: $1400/month
Undisturbed power process: priceless

>>16293476
>Sex : free

non virgins shouldn't post here.

>>16288040
based

>>16293497
Come on: even I’m a virgin and know that I could go on tinder and be fucking a hole in an hour’s time... right?

>>16288040
>muh imaginary friend god

>>16293539
>>muh imaginary friend god

>>16293548
>no proof
>falls apart under scrutiny
>shit brainlet tier holy book obviously made up by primitive retards
Take your meds schizo

>>16293585
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NOT MUH HECKIN PROOFERINOS YOU CANT JUST HAVE FAITH! THATS CHEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATING

>>16288033
>>16288040
This.
Remember /lit/, God loves you and will make you happy is you only let him.

>>16293603
You only have faith because you want to. Wanting in and of itself is not a reason to do something. Ex. Child rapist wants to rape, yet we have no reason to the accept his wanting

>>16288033
lel shut up looser!
the human condition and the "search for meaning" is just an meme.

It´s not
>i´m unhappy cause there is no meaning in my life
but
>i´m unhappy, i need some meaning in my life to justify my suffering

real spirituality begins if you have
>some safe place to live
>enough money to sustain yourself for some years without work
>enough social relationships that you feel satisfied
>some intellectual stimulus

there cant be spirituality at the bottom of maslovs pyramid, it just becomes COPE by the very nature of suffering.
it´s one of the truly few hard to swallow truths.

>>16288033
>Most people have their basic needs satisfied and people are more suicidal and depressed than ever.
That's exactly the reason

>>16288033
Have I tried the Tao of JC Denton ?

>>16293521
I've been paying for Tinder Gold for a year and haven't even made it to a date yet. I spend every morning swiping right for a while.

The cure is Buddhism.

Any lamentations of nihilism are still too frightened to overcome their desires.

>>16293815
Pretty pointless """spirituality""" if it's contingent on material conditions

>>16295744
Ouch. I had free tinder for a week and deleted it after I was unsuccessful and the shame got to me. But don’t say you are involuntarily celibate or you will be hung

>>16288033
read Industrial Society and Its Future.

Civilization is the curse. Wild Nature is the cure.

>>16294109
this.

>>16288033
suffering is relative

>>16295760
This, the early christians had like 1 of them

>>16288716
>t. never been through the worst that your "endocrine system" has to offer

>>16288040
Actually based

>>16288145
good post
>Christianity is too universalist for it to remain the control of the masses in a rational society, it might lead back to humanism again.
tbf, i think thats more specific subcurrents of christiaaaaaanity, as well as the specific social atmosphere of the enlightenment and post E. stuff.

>>16288040
this is why /lit/ is shit

>>16288526
rejekt socety embrace monke

Happiness is the gradient of power - if power flatlines, no matter how high or low, you are as good as dead.

>Most people have their basic needs satisfied and people are more suicidal and depressed than ever.

That they have their needs satisfied is the problem. There's nothing to strive toward, so you invent fake (consumer-based) goals to make your life the least bit interesting to live.

>>16291685
Also wondering this

The only cure is to stop looking for one, it's clear that the human condition is the prime factor in all historical human progress, our search for a cure has brought us to an inhuman world, the best we can do is embrace our condition and stop running from it, like a addict needing oxy to hide from his childhood abuse. The best you can do is quit running and quit looking, the truth isn't human, and it won't save us, but the search for truth is ingrained into our condition, so it is inevitable. The cure will be found when there is no human.

>>16288545
YEP

You should all be celebrating the fact that the world is

>>16297511
Based vedic Aryan jew

>>16288033
this >>16288040. Also deadlifts. Deadlifts and Jesus will cure 99.999999% of sadfagging.

>>16296945
This....
Take the abstinence pill, stop striving for material gains, that doesn't mean abandoning action but doing action w/o any end goal in mind. Read the Bhagavad Gita

>>16296788
ya seethe?

Having a gf you love and close friends you feel a real connection to

>>16297868
>doing action w/o any end goal in mind
Isn't it doing action but letting go of the effects of said action?

>>16288033
>Most people have their basic needs satisfied
They actually don't, Pinker. People live in more stress and scarcity today than ever before. In the past, people would willingly sell themselves into slavery and later indentured servitude because at least they would have three solid meals a day, a roof over their heads, never worry about bills and finances, and would eventually be linked with a family or mate usually. Today it's worse than ever before. People need to make a minimum otherwise they're kicked to the curb with nothing. The effect this has on the psyche is far worse than even subsistence tribal living. Sounds like you've had a very easy life where your parents paid for everything and never mentioned money to you.

>>16288033
you are assuming basic needs are all we need bro. we need meaning. when u are out in the jungle everything has meaning. when u worry for nothing. and have no goals. nothing has meaning anymore. like using the console code in skyrim it's fun for a little bit but quickly gets existential.

>>16296606
I think that the all reaching nature of Christianity makes it somewhat inevitable with time for those things to rise up again
While it shouldn’t lead back to the toleration of homosexuality femininity etc without partially external humanist influence. It is clearly meant to reach all races without much of any discrimination, additionally the celebration of meekness and humility goes much too far, even extending to guilt, I know many will say that’s not all Christians, but it’s a huge amount, and it’s in their holy text.

>>16298489
>Kicked to the curb with nothing
Do you know how many Americans dir by starvation every year?
How do you think this number compares to people 1000 years ago?

>>16298512
Many americans have malnutrition and are on the verge of starvation. If you're genuinely poor in america, youre going to be emaciated because food is so much money. SNAP doesn't cover enough.

>>16298512
Also, insurance wont even cover ensure or nutritional support for malnourished people unless it's they're on a hospital bed dying and it must be tube fed for it to be covered. I'd estimate over 50,000 Americans die as the result of malnourishment or starvation a year.

>>16288033
The human condition is perfected in strife. Having your basic needs satisfied is the problem.

It's only downhill from here bucko.

>>16298521
I find that hard to believe given the amount of obesity in the country.

>>16298531
It’s much higher; 9 million per year.

>>16298521
>If you're genuinely poor in america, youre going to be emaciated
Yeah nah. So many cheap fats and carbs, actual poor people turn into homo lardassus now. Previously they'd be emaciated skeletons, but science came to the rescue.

>>16298573
>So many cheap fats and carbs
Such as? Bulk packages of rice from costco and eggs? That aside food is very expensive, especially junk food. Eating 2000 calories a day is difficult, it's even more difficult to get to the optimum of 3000 with a balanced macro and micro nutrient profile.

>>16298547
>I find it to believe people drive Kia's given the amount of ferraris in the country

>>16288794
Expand

If hunger make the worst food taste like ambrosia. How can we know what is good or bad? By fullfilling all our needs and desires, then we will know what truly remains, the true need of man

>>16293644
>Wanting in and of itself is not a reason to do something
Isn't it the very basis to do something?

>>16298539
Aren't the richer people happier than the poorfags?

>>16288033
Zen buddhism will not provide a cure, But will remove the beed for a cure.

>>16291685
Spend your entire life in thought. Focus exclusively on the past or the future. Root yourself in expectation. Show little regard or gratitude for the things you have in life. Always be chasing the next purchase/goal/whatever. Try to outrun the hedonic treadmill. Ignore the present moment completely.

>>16299827
Modern times and a few other things:
Stay connected 24/7. Let anyone or anything occupy your time/thoughts rent-free. Carry the burden of society/the world/whatever at all times. Be ignorant of what you cannot change and fight, whine, or rebel against it non-stop. Never allow contentedness in your life.