/lit/ - Literature

It's that time

>>16289840
Sure

>>16289840
A toast to National Socialism!

What do anons think about this chart? I think there are a lot of meme books there, but also some genuinely good ones.

>>16289840

Why are you spamming the board, suddenly there are multiple hitler threads.

Good thread

>>16289921
I only made this one thread because I had a conversation going in the last one that got deleted. Maybe don't delete threads without reason if you don't want people to make even more threads.

>>16289931
Is this the same guy posting shirtless Hitler pics in the SpongeBob thread,?

>>16289921
idk, but I like it

Anyway OP, I’m a brown Muslim and I just finished reading Rommel’s book “Attacks” about leadership and his experiences in the First World War. He is a surprisingly good writer, it’s pretty much a modern day “Meditations” with an autobiographical account of many major military actions during the War. I’d recommend giving it a read.

>>16289854
>>16289855
>>16289931
Seethe more. Here is your (You).

>>16289945
I toasted you friend.

Remember lefties: the Western Canon was primarily written by people who would be considered right wing extremists today.

Wtf is the deal with Mussolini's autobiographies, are there multiple? Are they legit?

>>16289945
I applaud your honesty.

What was being discussed

>>16289943
OP here. I don't care about history or politics at all. What rubbed me the wrong way was that they deleted a thread in the middle of my conversation. I'm a brown Muslim as well. Thanks for the rec though.

>>16289840
Anybody got links to esoteric hitlerism? Apparently there was this one crazed Chilean who wrote about the mystical magic of Hitler or some shit.

>>16290009
Miguel Serrano

>>16290009
>Apparently there was this one crazed Chilean who wrote about the mystical magic of Hitler
kek

>>16289921
There are no arguments against fascism.

>>16289931
Ableist.

Based and redpilled thread. DEATH TO ALL KIKES AND TRAITORS

>>16290015
Gracias

>>16290047
Fascism has never worked
>inb4 'it was not real fascism!'

Schertel's "Magic: History, Theory and Practise" contains sections allegedly 'marked for emphasis' by Hitler.

>Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.

>>16290173

>>16290173
>chutzpah's bad when goys do it

>>16290120
Compare Germany in 1918 and 1932

>>16290173
funny hitler said literally the same thing about jews

>>16290120
Fascism worked as a system exactly as it was intended too, literally every fascist will tell you this

>>16290173

>>16290173

>>16290212
This.
>The more I argued with them, the better I came to know their dialectic. First they counted on the stupidity of their adversary, and then, when there was no other way out, they themselves simply played stupid. If all this didn't help, they pretended not to understand, or, if challenged, they changed the subject in a hurry, quoted platitudes which, if you accepted them, they immediately related to entirely different matters, and then, if again attacked, gave ground and pretended not to know exactly what you were talking about. Whenever you tried to attack one of these apostles, your hand closed on a jelly-like slime which divided up and poured through your fingers, but in the next moment collected again. But if you really struck one of these fellows so telling a blow that, observed by the audience, he couldn't help but agree, and if you believed that this had taken you at least one step forward, your amazement was great the next day. The Jew had not the slightest recollection of the day before, he rattled off his same old nonsense as though nothing at all had happened, and, if indignantly challenged, affected amazement; he couldn't remember a thing, except that he had proved the correctness of his assertions the previous day.
>Sometimes I stood there thunderstruck.
>I didn't know what to be more amazed at: the agility of their tongues or their virtuosity at lying.

>>16290225
did it intend to go to war and lose every time?

>>16290279
I mean it only lost one war and it lost it in the most spectacular fashion possible

>>16289855

Heh... why not
A toast..

Anyone read Gottfried Feder? Is he worth reading?

>hitlit
hit is not lit, he lit lit on fire

>>16290733
He was indeed very much /lit/.

>So, for my friend it was books, always books. I could not imagine Adolf without books. He stacked them in piles around him. He had to have with him at his side the book he was currently working through. Even if he did not happen to be reading it just then, it had to be around. Whenever he went out, there would usually be a book under his arm. This was often a problem, for he would rather abandon nature and the open sky than the book.

>Books were his whole world. In Linz, in order to procure the books he wanted, he had subscribed to three libraries. In Vienna he used the Hof Library so industriously that I asked him once in all seriousness whether he intended to read the whole library, which of course earned me some rude remarks

>Hardly anything would disturb him when he was reading, but sometimes he disturbed himself, for as soon as he opened a book he started talking about it, and I had to listen patiently whether I was interested in the subject or not. Every now and then, in Linz even more frequently than in Vienna, he would thrust a book into my hands and demand that I, as his friend, should read it.

Am I the only one who has read Houston Chamberlain's The Foundations of the 19th Century?

>>16290750
wtf i love hitler now

>>16290794
It certainly helps to humanize him from the comical caricature they've made out of him. Some more:
>"His classmates, mostly from solid, good-class Linz families, cold-shouldered the strange boy who arrived daily 'from amongst the peasants'"

>"In class he rarely came to anybody's notice. He had no friends, contrary to primary school, and wanted none"

>"He too, was completely alone. His father had been dead for two years. However much he loved his mother, she could not help him with his problems. He just needed to talk and needed someone who would listen to him."

>"But he? Where should he have gone that Christmas Eve? He had no acquaintances, no friends, nobody who would have received him with open arms. For him the world was hostile and empty. [...] All he ever told me of that Christmas Eve was that he had wandered around for hours. Only towards morning had he returned home and gone to sleep. What he thought, felt and suffered I never knew"

>"I was surprised he had so much spare time and asked innocently whether he had a job. 'Of course not', was his gruff reply [...] He did not consider that any particular work [...] was necessary for him"

>"He no longer attended school; did nothing to get himself job training; lived with his mother and let her keep him. But he was not idle: this period of his life was filled with restless activity. He sketched, he painted, he wrote poetry, he read"

>"he was anxious to escape the atmosphere that prevailed at home. The idea that he, a young man of eighteen, should continue to be kept by his mother had become unbearable to him. On the one hand, he loved his mother above everything: she was the only person on earth to whom he felt really close, and she reciprocated his feeling to some extent, although she was deeply disturbed by her son's unusual nature, however proud she was at times of him. 'He is different from us,' she used to say"

>"At long last the great moment arrived. Adolf, beaming with delight, came to see me at the workshop, where we were very busy at that time. 'I'm leaving tomorrow,' he said briefly. He asked me to accompany him to the station, as he did not want his mother to come. I knew how painful it would have been for Adolf to take leave of his mother in front of other people. He disliked nothing more than showing his feelings in public"

>"His mother was crying and little Paula, whom Adolf had never bothered with much, was sobbing in a heart-rending manner. When Adolf caught up with me on the stairs and helped me with the suitcase, I saw that his eyes too were wet"

I found these in a thread in archives. Make sure to read the parts about the girl he as a young man had a crush on.
>>/lit/thread/S9800963#p9804867

>>16290279
We control the 2nd largest economy on Earth.

Convince me that China isn’t fascist.

>>16289943
>>16290008
Amusing to note that I've had more interesting, genuine interactions with non-whites since I got into fascism / white power than I ever did previously in diversityland. I think there seems to be more room for understanding and mutual respect when each person has pride in his own race, instead of just pretending to be the same.

Somone define fascism for me pls

>>16290676
>only one war
>started the deadliest and most destructive conflict in the history of the planet
wtf I love fascism now!

>critical theory thread deleted
>Hitler general up for 5 hours

>>16291132
If one Hitler general is removed six others will show up

>>16291132
And what is wrong with Hitler General, may I ask? Books were recommended, ideas were discussed, and quotes shared. Exactly as how a thread in a literature board should work.

>>16291118
Populist corporatism, often intertwined with mystical ideas about how nonwhite people are dirty

>>16291101
Imagine being so hollow that circle jerking about race is what you consider your most interesting and genuine interactions with people.

Can an actual fascist define fascism for me please. What do you imagine it would be like? Why do you think it would be the right way? I heard some things from my german grandparents and it did not make me want to live under that system.

>>16291205
What I imagine is something like Plato's republic. A highly qualified leader is given ultimate sovereignty, who in turn is concerned with the physical and cultural well-being and growth of the collective. If neoliberal capitalism leads us to degeneracy, and broken, alienated individuals, this kind of fascism leads to a system structured towards regeneration, health, and growth.

I'm not familiar with hitlerism or nazis but I came to hate jews for my own reasons. However, I'm a strong believer in objective truth and using arguments to find out the truth.
A lot of accusations against nazis and hitler was that they didn't care about the truth, that for them might is right, just like the sartreposter quote. This is also seen in Umberto Eco's definition of fascism
>3. "The Cult of Action for Action's Sake", which dictates that action is of value in itself, and should be taken without intellectual reflection. This, says Eco, is connected with anti-intellectualism and irrationalism, and often manifests in attacks on modern culture and science.
>4. "Disagreement Is Treason" – Fascism devalues intellectual discourse and critical reasoning as barriers to action, as well as out of fear that such analysis will expose the contradictions embodied in a syncretistic faith.
How accurate are these criticisms?

>>16291282
Read any nazi literature, they admit to basing a significant amount of their ideology on feefees. It's a religion of pig fuckers

>>16291187
What if I'm not white and don't care about race, but I'm still a fascist?

I don't actually care about your answer, this is just a thinking exercise 4 u

>>16291118
Angry farmers

>>16291282
I don't think it's accurate at all. I think for them there was a distinction between truth as discussed by the masses (who are at any rate incapable) and as sought by scientists, philosophers, and the like. For the former, a sort of simplified ideology is needed to keep them functioning (our society is no different; consider all the talk about progress, equality, etc.), while the latter is given free reign to seek the truth. Heidegger, for instance, was one of the few people who was allowed to openly criticize the Nazis, and they respected him for it. Seeing as you've come to realize the nature of the tribe, it should come as no surprise how much of the narrative they've constructed about the Nazis is plain false.

>>16291294
How is that a thinking exercise?

>>16291319
Retard

>>16291205

>>16291333
Great response my friend. Keep it up.

>>16290047
How about the fact that nationalism is unsustainable?

>>16291123
Now imagine this with powerful nuclear warheads.

>>16290826
>hitler was a friendless neet
I understand the veneration now
Hopefully one of you can live up to his legacy

>>16291145
>mystical ideas about how nonwhite people are dirty
Why would anyone need mysticism to realize this obvious fact

>>16291355
>nationalism is unsustainable
as compared to what? if we go by whats most sustainable we should revert to emperors and kings

>>16291601
Nah reverting to anything is a meme. The only logical conclusion is a world government

>>16291584
Google "Walmart shitting", the vast majority of the images are of white people. Dirtiness is not a racial trait.

>>16291621
>The only logical conclusion is a world government
so authoritarianism along with armed reconquest/recolonization of the 3rd world? as long as its an absolute monarchy

>>16291646
The Papacy was originally supposed to unite the world but they failed just like the Jews, the monarchy will probably be based on technology this time.

>>16291282
>"Disagreement Is Treason"
interesting how this has become one of the central tenets of sjw wokelism
>>16291631
>believing that you'll get an accurate representation of anything from fuckin google
idiot

>>16291665
the machines do nothing the men controlling them don't order them to do, the 3rd world will not fall in line unless forced to

>>16291695
I have no problem forcing people to stop cutting each others dicks, genociding their neighbors, eating dogs and cats, ect. My prediction though is that computer Intelligence will gradually replace human intelligence through a merging together and then we're on to the next phase of Samsara

>>16291715
>computer Intelligence

"It's a long way to Tipperary, It's a long way to go. .. " (and dangerous)

>>16291777
It's probably the least dangerous and most likely scenario. The worst possible scenario is that there's a reset in the fabric of reality if all consciousness becomes "annihilated". Before all of this we're probably going to be on the brink of a global catastrophe such as a new world war and from this the nations will establish a new global federation, the US, Russia, and China are in a no win situation otherwise.

>>16289931
Nordic af
Prussian German ethnicity

>>16291828
The danger is someone in control ordering the machines commit genocide, they won't think twice about their orders, look at the image attached in previous post

>>16289840
What was poetry like in the National-Socialist period? What were the most outstanding poets?

>>16291837
Anything is possible, I'm pretty sure there are ways to prevent these situations

>>16291856
Machines follow orders to the letter without exception

>>16291849
As a matter of fact, what are the main historiographic and anthropological works produced by the Third Reich?

>>16291343
Nazis lost

>>16291906
Are you sure about that?

>>16291922
That's not Nazism retard although the US gov't is responsible for keeping the worst of it alive, tru

>>16291937
US was a big proponent of racial hygiene and eugenics

>>16291952
Yup

>>16289840
Where to get high rise pants like this?

>>16290173
Physiognomy is real

>>16290120
Define fascism

>>16291849
Gottfried Benn

>>16291859
Hans Freyer, Arnold Gehlen, Othmar Spann

Lots of Nazis are hacks and mediocrities because most of the government was prioritizing staffing institutions with pro-German people over selecting the most brilliant. This is easy to bash in hindsight because we have been drinking deep at the well of high modernism and its cult of eccentric genius for almost a hundred years since then, and of course we prefer all the dissident fellow travelers of fascism like Benn and Junger over the hack apparatchiks who just regurgitated party lines, but at the time they were trying to completely overhaul life itself and had to work with the resources they had. Also, naturally since they were artists, many of them would have been happy with nothing less than a dionysian state run by and for art and artists, that catered to their every eccentricity.

Nevertheless this means it's usually better to read people who were sympathetic to fascism than state-approved fascists directly. Except in Italy where the regime had less of a divide between thinkers and apparatchiks.

Read Griffin's Fascism and Modernism for more in depth.

>>16291621
>The only solution is a world government

>>16292502
epic rage comic

>>16289895
What is Oswald Spengler doing there

Are we ever going to get some good speakers again? Watching some of his and Mosley's speeches and they're great, so much zest and vigor really makes you want to go out there and be a better person. Current politicans are way to bland and motonous and they give out way too many of these "interviews" as if they're a super star. I simply wish public speaking skills and rhetorics was a thing politicans cared for.

>>16292863
Bowden is good but I can't stand how all his speeches are poorly recorded and he has to yell

This was interesting https://youtu.be/nBXE39MkZx4

Wow sure is a lot of top notch lit discussion going on here.. ops def not a trolling faggot

>>16291294
This. Non-fascists are always really weak-minded honestly

>>16289931
Letting kids get redpilled was a mistake

>>16292874
Brilliant speech. But a bit demoralizing.
He is a bit vague as to what strategy he really believes we ought to be engaged in for the preservation of our people as well.

Just made this one. Hope you nibbas appreciate

>>16289931
lmao

>>16294006
Whenever I see this I get sad, reminds me of how frail and human we all are when it comes down to it. Kid is going through a phase, everyone's a retard at his age and he's looking for purpose and identity, and his dumb misadventure was getting manipulated by these people. Who knows what his real beliefs are or will end up being in ten years? I claimed to be an anarcho-syndicalist and probably embarrassed myself just as much in my own way at his age.

The people manipulating him are typical savages though, thugs looking to be cruel to someone (in a group where they're safe no less) without feeling bad because they are a designated guilt-free scapegoat. Every movement has trash like this.

>>16291145
look a cuck is regurgitating his religion’s dogma

>>16291123
>doesn't know communism

>>16294158
>uhm achtually communism
Shut the fuck up.

>Shut the fuck up.

>>16292459
Thank you, Anon.

>>16294129
True to an extent and I get you anon.
Sometimes there are such people who get off on that shit but usually those groups start with a few same-minded people and it evolves into an echo chamber which has the potential to become something like a cult where you wouldn't be able to get in if you don't have certain characteristics or beliefs. It gets ugly when they can't find enough people to join their fringe groups and find kids who are looking for an identity and then they shape them up to fit in. Worst thing is they usually have good intentions and want to see positive change in the world but become way too out of touch with reality.
In general fringe echo chambers (no matter what beliefs the group is based on) are fucking disgusting when they involve teens without any sense of identity since they can potentially fuck them up for life. That's why the pic is more sad than it is funny.

best place to start learning about Alexander the Great? I was thinking Arrian

Are there any transcripts or recordings of Hitler debating anyone in parliament before he became chancellor?

What's the solution to the Jewish problem?

Seems to me like nazisn is just another form of post-religious coping. Literally inventing a mythology about muh musterd race and the evil juice so people have some kind of meaning and justification for existing. Same as going to heaven after death or a having a promised land.

>>16296084
>muh musterd race and the evil juice

try not outing yourself as reddit when you make your concern trolling posts

>>16296084
It's just using race as the ideological object rather than God, race is still another fantasy imposed on the ontological reality. Nazi's love to go on about genetic hygiene, but that would imply that nature prefers "pure" races and specifically the white race which there's no evidence for. Real eugenics wouldn't even take race into account, it has more to do with healthy compatible genes being passed on, less to do with made up dogma

>>16296091
I don't use reddit. Just feels like adhering to any of these totalitarian ideologies with grand narratives (left or right) is just another way of looking for meaning in a broken world.

>>16296084
The Aryan ubermensch stuff is obviously mystical bullshit, but the juice stuff was quite sincerely believed, and well...it's not entirely untrue.

>be skinny white guy
>walk into local bookstore
>buy Albert Speer's memoirs
>get asked why
>stutter something about history and architecture
>pay and walk out
>never come back to the store again
I still haven't read it.

Stop shitting up this board

>>16296199
>>get asked why
should have asked them why they had it in response, what kind of question is that lol

>>16296186
You can't understand the Jewish "problem" until you understand Christianity. Jew's were always viewed with suspicion in Christian society due to the fact that they were not a part of the Church, now you'll begin to see what the real problem was. If you think that Jew's were standoffish and nepotistic it's because they had to be as they were consistently the target of satanic panic and mob hysteria. I'm not implying the Jew's are guilt free in everything they do, but once you have context there's no reason to hate them but rather see why certain things led to one another.

>>16296213
On the other hand, the Christian societies might have viewed them with suspicion precisely because of their shady behavior in the first place. Makes sense considering their behavior for thousands of years.

Hitler burned Robert Musil and Thomas Mann books I don't like this cunt

>>16296241
>hitler burned the books of an incel and a degenerate pedophile
What a tyrant! holy based...

>>16296232
It's a never ending cycle, the ostracization reinforces their behavior. You can't just look at the reactive effects, you need to dig deep into the original cause. Christians have been a plight more than Jew's have, the modern Jewish condition was shaped by Christianity and the Church. These mythological fantasies hurt people and drag us all down.

>>16296263
Even if that's true, we now see that the Jewish behavior continued and even worsened well after the fact that they were accepted and assimilated in recent times. This gives me the suspicion that "the original cause" of the ostracization might not have been entirely the prejudice of Christians.

>>16296213
I don't hate them and I don't think they're responsible for everything that Hitler attributed to them, and I certainly don't think it's morally acceptable to target millions of random people who just happen to be Jewish when the people he had a problem with(bankers, journalists, academics, etc.) are a tiny subset. Obviously Christians have not always been nice to Jews living in their countries, it was not one-way, but there has been a history of kind of exploitative behavior on the part of Jewish populations living in these countries, moneylenders, landlords, alcohol and drug merchants. The banking stuff, including its political aspect, has been going on for a very long time, the influence on the press and academia for only 2 centuries really, and really picking up speed in the 20th.

Of course it was not simply "jews' doing any of this, it was just individual groups of people, many of whom were Jewish. There is perhaps a certain propensity for this stuff among Jews but they are just individuals like anyone else and have to be treated as such, and the strange political circumstances of Christian Europe did sort of nudge them into these positions(but they also proactively created these situations in some cases to a degree). If europe had never had any Jews I think things would be different but ultimately not that radically different, technological changes are more important, and the whole banking schemes, which is really the most egregious thing, were not entirely invented by Jews.

the above doesn't mention the positive contributions of jews either of course

>>16290047
Jews would be held accountable and they REALLY don’t like that

>>16292863
Jewish powers apparatus nips these people in the bud before they wake up too many NPCs

>>16294129
Could you imagine if this was created by Jews for the reaction you are having? Imagine if that were the world you were living in...

>>16296014
What, you don’t want Brazil on a planet planetary scale?

>>16296199
This did not happen. You are really gay for posting this gayness

>>16289840
Stannis as king and Tywin as Hand

>>16296426
Why do you hate Brazil anon?

>>16292545
this

>>16289895
Should have included the entire Culture of Critique series

>>16296180
True, existence is pretty meaningless. But why not try to shape the world into something better since you'll be here for a while anyway?

>>16297004
>why not try to shape the world into something better
why not shape it into something worse?

>>16289840
too many tryhard nazis ruin a genuine discussion about this cringe ideology

>>16290173
>They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert

That line made me think of /pol

>>16291142
Don't you support violence and racism ?

>>16297616
Supposing anon did, then what?

>>16297707
Then, I think it would be understandable why the thread got deleted

>>16289895
Retard chart comprised solely of buzzword books, irrespective of their actual value.

>>16297847
This is /lit/ anon not /pol/. We are discussing ideas, it's purely intellectual discourse. Personal stances are irrelevant. Censorship of ideas is never understandable.

>>16296199
Great memoirs. Speer unbiasedly shows the corrupt attitude Gitler had during his reign.

>>16291142
Incel alt right Nazis are cringe. We should keep this thread just to laugh at their stupidity

I was thinking about reading this since I'm swedish. Is it the best version?

>>16289886
i think the works of Gottfried Feder are the most important to understand National Socialism. They place it as a movement squarely within the western philosophical tradition as the inheritance of Plato's Laws, Aristotle's Politics and several key concepts of Hegel. On a certain level, it is even presented as a race-blind ideology or at least an ideology that any race can follow.

>>16289840
http://www.peace.se/blog/2018/11/11/hitler-a-british-agent-trained-at-tavistock-institute/

>>16298119
Cringe or not, the threads are allowed. As for the laughs, we should all laugh at this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moWe3rk7LzQ
>*in high pitched feminine voice*
>iF wE WaNt to BeAt CaPitaLisM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA these weak trannys and delusional women think they can beat capitalism.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHA

>>16297941
Mmh... I doubt the intentions of the so called /pol/s. Thanks for replying in respectful manner though

This thread is massive and yet, there's very little discussion of Hitler lit.

>>16295077
Agree'd; basically what was happening with the entire Nationalist movement in Germany. I can't imagine being born into a society which pumps you up as racially superior and then at 13 the war is lost, the leader kills himself, and you're identity is smashed. You looked forward to war and everything up to then was preparing you for it. Would be left feeling pretty devoid of purpose I guess

>>16289840
So why did he went out of his way to kill so many random jews when he understood that a very small portion of them are problematic, i'am watching some speeches and he clearly understands that the jews at fault are only a few hundred who are part of this international clique of "democracy makers"?

>>16299415
>So why did he went out of his way to kill so many random jews when he understood that a very small portion of them are problematic

He didn't.

>>16299415
It's been said before but we will say it again. The Holocaust is a lie.

It still amazes me how childish and ideological people get when you even say the word "Hitler". People lose their ability to have a rational conversation, it's just amazing how brainwashed the masses are in regards to this issue, and how quickly they take some kind of superior belittling attitude any time the facts of WWII are discussed or brought to question.

Be very suspicious of these ideologues who insist that you can't understand the details of the Holocaust yourself, if there is proof for it they should be able to furnish it. But it's been more than 70 years and the only thing we have discovered is just how much of the Holocaust is a sham and a lie.

Just read Mein Kampf and you will see a truly beautiful and humane revolutionary spirit manifest in the thought of Adolf Hitler. The bad guys won WWII.

>>16300065
And to add to this anon, why has it taken a "thought crime" status? We believe everything should be subject to rational enquiry, but simply entertaining the idea that this event did not happen is off-limits, outright claiming it is an actual crime. It's like claiming God is not real in medieval times.

>>16298057
>Speer
>unbiasedly
this a joke?

>>16296452
Stannis as king and Ned as hand

>>16289886
>Table Talks
Pic just came out, read it.

>>16293988
Retarded.

>>16298603
As usual.

>>16300305
No, but the poster definitely is.

>>16300333

I know the table talks have been generally regarded as bullshit (at least in English, among other Trevor-Roper approved lit), but what's the slant of NIlsson's book? Neutral? Stinky Hitler, etc?

>As usual.

You can lead a horse to water, etc.

>>16300065
>It's been said before but we will say it again. The Holocaust is a lie.
it's obviously not, the historical consensus is clear

>>16300491
>the historical consensus
hahahahaha

>>16300696
Every single time I swear
Do you have any other arguments besides science denial?

>>16300491
>consensus
i forgot that we lived in a world where facts are democratized
thanks for the reminder

>>16300714
Facts are facts, and right now you are denying them.

>>16300710
>science
science isn't consensus lol

>>16300724
Is there someone more intelligent who can argue for his position?

>>16289840
Great post anon!

>>16300723
i didn't deny anything that was my first post in this thread

>>16300723
>facts are facts
>all scientists agree with each other 100% of the time

>>16289931
Retard is raising the wrong arm

>>16296175
The entire point of eugenics is taking command of a natural process to create a particular type of person. There is no one eugenics, and elevating health as a value above all others is akin to the absurdity of the formulation "the point of life is to live". This is obviously related to a broader point about particularism being the rule in Nazism and basically all rightist though in general. It's about imposing meaning on a world of chaotic base matter. If you take your ethical maxims from this condition instead of negating it with concepts or "fantasies" you end up with a society that sees the consumption of goods and services as the supreme social goal

>>16300065
Even if it was fake, there's still Hungerplan and Generalplan Ost which proves they're monsters

>>16289840
Based pic

>>16290008
you can think of threads like these as a canary in the coalmine for the amount of free thought left on the (main)chan

>>16302122
if that's the case then the canary is dead but most of the miners simply haven't noticed yet

>>16301476
MUH MONSTERS!! You people cant think beyond your childish stereotypes. The world isnt black and white. Grow up

>>16301476
>there's still Hungerplan and Generalplan Ost

But is there really? We've been lied to about everything related to Hitler. Would not be surprised if the claims about both of these ops are vastly exaggerated. Hitler recruited SS Soldiers and officers from slavic nations. It's literally insane to believe that "this part is still true". Anon you are a midwit dabbling in politics that are too complicated for you. Go back to your home where you are free to talk about the pretty colors in Rick and Morty amongst people of a similar intellectual calliber. There's nothing wrong with it, it's where you belong.

>>16302253
>there's, like, shades of grey, man
>this vindicates a plan to starve to death tens of millions of civilians
>>16302272
There's solid documentary evidence. Thinking everything is a big lie to discredit nationalism or white identity or whatever is conspiratorial thinking which is not a sign of high intellect.

>>16302307
Who gives a shit. Why are you so concerned about slavic monkey niggers. Theyre subhumans. IF ONLY hitler had btfo their inbred nigger asses to another dimension

>>16302307
this guy wasn't me >>16302315

I don't have a racial, or even nationalist bent, my ideals are frankly anarchistic. I just know that everyone has lied relentlessly about Hitler. You can post your "documentary evidence" if you have it. People said exactly the same thing about the Holocaust and to this day we have no proof, and quite contrary, the only proof we can find illustrates that the Holocaust did not happen. Give me primary documents and scholarship from somebody who accepts the fact that the Holocaust didn't happen and I'll consider it. However if a scholar can't even see the obviousness of the Holocaust lie, then they can not be trusted in any of their work outside of that. These are the criteria for determining the validity of claims in WWII. If it comes from somebody who believes the holocaust happened, then it is not worth serious consideration. Time is precious, especially for scholars. Meet my criteria if you want me to believe that anything you have said is true.

>>16302511
Sorry fren didnt mean to imposternate. Just wanted to shitpost a bit. Teehee xD

>>16302511
I'm critical of Jews but I find Holocaust deniers as slippery as creationists, though I'm no expert. Maybe David Irving fits your criteria.

>>16302582
My position of choice is simply to deny the importance of the holocaust, either way. I dont care if it didnt happen i dont care if it did. Its used to shut down any serious discussion of National Socialist Getmany and its despicable. Im so sick of hearing of da JOOOOOS and MUH HOLOCAUST. It pisses me off to no end idgaf!

>>16302608
I think its singularity is overstated and it is certainly used as a cudgel to terminate thought and discussion, but to brush it off as nothing is a grave mistake.

>>16302629
Why? Do u think the jewman is gonna get u? Lmao. The holocaust is the jews primary weapon. Deny them that and all they have is their pilpul shit which is easy to btfo and expose for the subhuman trash it is

>>16289931
based

>>16302657
Most would find your indifference callous. If you want to be persuasive it's better to admit it was a terrible thing, but point out that still shouldn't render elites impervious to criticism.

>>16302725
The only issue is the special importance people accord the holocaust. Plenty of other genocides have happened, just perhaps not at that scale because of *technological limitations*. The genocidal impulse of one neanderthal tribe annihilating another for a total of 40 kills is really no different than the holocaust. All this teaches us is that our capacity for violence has been radically expanded.

From here we are obviously lead to the problem that any attempt to contextualize National Socialism is in a literal sense seen as heresy. Hitler and his Nazis are Evil made flesh, thus Hitler is the culmination of everything wrong with reality. And the one who wants to explain Evil in socio-economic terms endangers the entire nexus of ideas that flow from that foundational axiom Hitler=Evil. That we live in an age that routinely denies absolutes and all spiritual superstructures out of hand due to scientistic biases only heightens the contradiction of the moral space Hitler inhabits. If Evil is contextual, culturally contingent, socially constructed, based on power relationships, or simply does not exist, how could one Austrian man born in 1889 embody all that is Evil?

Western thought systems are of course aware of this problem, which is why these questions have to be legally and even terroristically suppressed. Every Western society takes it's first principles from the Holocaust. After all, we live in the Post-war World, and everyone knows exactly to which war this designation refers. World War 2 is in a literal sense the founding myth of our societies, so questioning it's facts directly (denialism) or even calling for new interpretation is a mortal threat to the Post-war West. Without the equation Hitler=Evil our countries could hardly justify their reason for existing, since in the extreme case this reason always boils down to "to be the negative image of Hitler and his demons". In fact this is why Godwin's law exists. Every single moral question in the West today must end with "the side that smells less like Hitler" winning, for the simple reason that this is the most unquestionable dogma of our time, the one to which all others must kneel

>>16303104
I don't disagree that Hitler is secular Satan and that he and his regime occupies a mythic space in the Western mind, and I see the legitimating function this mythopoesis serves for certain narratives. I just don't think it's wise, if you want to critique certain factions of ruling class, to gloss over these crimes. It's so shocking because it is precisely we, the enlightened, progressive, technologically advanced Westerns who should have known better. It's a kind of weird inverted white supremacy which goes a long way to explain the white liberal neurosis.

>>16289840
Just gonna leave this here to prevent some of the posts about Mein Kampf's authory that usually appears in these threads:

>The assumption, widespread at the time and later to persist, that Hitler first dictated his dry prose to his driver and pack donkey, Emil Maurice, and later to Rudolf Hess (both were serving time for their participation in the putsch ), It is wrong. It was Hitler himself who typed the drafts of the first volume (although part of the second volume was dictated to a secretary). Despite how badly written and cumbersome the published version of My Struggle was, in reality the original text had undergone innumerable stylistic "improvements." The Völkischer Beobachter's cultural critic, Josef Stolzing-Cerny, had read the manuscript and Rudolf Hess's future wife, Ilse Pröhl, parts of it, at the very least. They both made corrections. Others were made by Hitler himself. According to Hans Frank, Hitler admitted that the book was poorly written and described it as a simple compilation of feature articles for the Völkischer Beobachter.

>>16303485
I honestly respect the man for not writing a 10/10 god tier book. Its more relatable and i tespect him all the more for how conversational his tone is throughout most of the work. It really strikes the soul and is a work of genius in its own way

-It is likely that he was afraid of women, and surely his sexuality. Hitler would later describe his own ideal of woman as "a cute, lovable, naive little thing, tender, sweet, and stupid." His claim that a woman "would rather submit to a strong man than dominate a wimp" may well have been a compensatory projection of her own sexual complexes.

-His prudishness went even further. According to Kubizek's version, it amounted to deep revulsion and disgust for sexual activity. Hitler avoided contact with women and, during his visits to the opera, reacted with cold indifference to alleged attempts to flirt with him or tease him from girls, who probably saw him as some kind of weirdo. Homosexuality disgusted him. He refrained from masturbating. Prostitution horrified him, but fascinated him. He associated it with venereal diseases, which terrified him.

-Apparently all of his love affairs were nothing more than superficial relationships. Neither aroused deep feelings in him. Women were for Hitler an object, an ornament in a "man's world." In the men's hostel in Vienna, in the regiment, during the war, in the Munich barracks, until he was discharged, and in his usual get-togethers with party comrades at Cafe Neumaier or Cafe Heck in the 1920s, Hitler's environment had always been overwhelmingly masculine.

>Role model of many incels

>>16303104
It's so terrifying because a white guy from an modern enlighten western society did it. Rwandan genocide was brutal and only 20 something years ago but it gets a pass because it's blacks

>>16290225
Just like communists tell you about their system?

Mein Kampf is surprisingly hard to translate.

>>16297904
You haven't read a single one.

>>16303544
Yes, misogynists have always said that women are mediating beings made to tame male fire, to temper his longings by showing him to the simple pleasures of hearth and home. Hitler’s life story and more broadly society’s fear of the seemingly weak and impotent Incel is proof of the rightness of at least this dimension of misogynist claims. The sublimation of sexual desire really does lead men to great and terrible things, and in great irony the champions of the Weird and the Other are promoting an extreme form of conformism in their hatred of the Incel

>>16291282
Communism is worse but both are terrible.
http://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/2019/03/who-is-is-worse-communists-or-nazis.html?m=1

>>16301476
>y-y-you guys are.. MONSTERS!
>YES, we are monsters, how did you know?

Nazis are delirious freaks that will face judgement from God.

Soccies or commies you're all just different flavors of collectivist

>>16289931
nordic af bro

>>16289855
The man in the photo was unironically both leftist and transexual.
Lol you only mock yourself, retard.

>>16300826
>all scientists agree with each other 100% of the time
No one says that, but that there is a thing called consensus among experts of a given field. The consensus of historians is that the holocaust happened. And since the scientific consensus is a more reliable authority than shitty white nationalist podcasts, the holocaiust occuring is more probable than it not occuring.

>>16305304
And what if it was forbidden by law for historians to claim something? Would you still put too much faith on such a consensus?

>>16305312
No, but holocaust denial is only illegal in a few countries. If it was illegal in liberal democratic countries across the board the consensus would be obviously useless.

>>16305337
Would you say countries like France, Netherlands, Switzerland and Germany aren't liberal and democratic?
>Holocaust denial is explicitly or implicitly illegal in 17 countries: Austria, Belgium, the Czech Republic, France, Germany, Hungary, Israel, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Russia, Slovakia, and Switzerland.
One Historian even got convicted in Austria because of a lecture he gave:
>In February 2006 Irving was convicted in Austria, where Holocaust denial is illegal, for a speech he had made in 1989 in which he denied the existence of gas chambers at Auschwitz.
Even in the US that free speech is protected by the constitution, a Historian would get instantly fired by the administration if he even tried to hint at anything remotely similar. I'm sure you don't need me to tell you that. All I'm trying to say is that this topic is obviously extremely controversial and politicized. Unfortunately we can't expect purely objective inquiry for things like this, so the consensus here as you say is next to useless.

>>16296180
Nihilism is so fucking gay. It is like you retards read 1 sentence of Nietzsche that sounds depressing and then ignore the rest of what he is trying to explain.

>>16301306
Well said.

based thread

>>16304585
>Hitler’s life story and more broadly society’s fear of the seemingly weak and impotent Incel is proof of the rightness of at least this dimension of misogynist claims.

Do you think if Hitler had for example, a better childhood or more will on his own that allowed him to develop at young age the social skills he lacked with girls and women he would have turned out to be a better stateman or at least a successful (and happier than he was) artist in Vienna instead of Germany's leader, changing the history of XX century?

hello friendly nazis. I don't know anything about The Third Reich or Hitler outside of some crappy high school lessons and a couple of TV documentaries, what's a good introduction? I was thinking maybe Ian Kershaw or Richard Evans

>>16306543
This book: >>16298603 and of course Mein Kampf

>>16304871
Agreed.
(i'm the frog you've responded to)

>>16306543
Gravity's Rainbow

>>16306543
>I was thinking maybe Ian Kershaw or Richard Evans

Both monumental fags. Read Irving.

>>16306607
well that sucks. It's hard to find books by Irving and other redpilled authors

>>16289886
>>16289895
Why no León Degrelle?

>>16290173
imagine quoting sartre
imagine.

>>16291321
If you can't see it, it's because you need it

>>16306543
Try out some work of León Degrelle.

>>16306898
i'll check him out, thanks.
Is Albert Speer's book is any good? Any recommendations on books about Nazi art/architecture would be appreciated too

>>16305385
>Even in the US that free speech is protected by the constitution, a Historian would get instantly fired by the administration if he even tried to hint at anything remotely similar. I'm sure you don't need me to tell you that. All I'm trying to say is that this topic is obviously extremely controversial and politicized. Unfortunately we can't expect purely objective inquiry for things like this, so the consensus here as you say is next to useless.
Not really, there are plenty of controversial topics that are freely discussed n academia. The discussion of the moral status of eugenics is an obvious example. True, social pressure about controversial topics exists in every field. Should we also doubt whether the earth is a globe since there is social pressure against being a flat earther, which is seen as a ridiculous position? If that's the case we cannot trust the academic consensus where it is most needed, controversial issues. I suggest that social pressure is not a strong enough argument to delegitimize the authority of scientific consensus as the most reliable source of information about scientific subjects (as opposed to blogs, podcasts and youtube videos). But in cases where there is state interference, I agree that scepticism is warranted.

Holocaust questioning -- I don't like to say denial since it poisons the well -- is fascinating to me; especially when it comes to some places literally punishing people for questioning an historical event.

I have no foot in the race, but the whole subject is interesting.

>>16296199
I found a copy of Speer's book at Goodwill. No one really cared but I haven't read it yet

>>16306522
Well this is a strange question to ask because a Hitler with these things would not be Hitler. If he were born more normal though I can see him becoming a radically different person. At a minimum (doing more would in honesty be engaging in writing fanfiction) I would say that happy people, or people that are happy with a smaller life, do not typically engage in extremist political activity.

>>16289840
more like r/shitlit am I right guys!

Edit: Thank you for the gold kind anon. Standing up to fascism is what I do best.

Go back to /pol amerimutts. You aren't Aryan. Hitler would have gassed all of you disgusting larpers.

>>16300333
No u

>>16295915
pls id really like to know this.

>>16302307
>Generalplan Ost
>Solid evidence

>>16309037
You haven't shown why the reconstruction is bad and there's still Hungerplan

>>16309218
Thanks, I came

Fascism is such a weak ideology. Nazi germany was gilded, even whites hated living there.

Why would you want to live under authoritarian rule when you can experience all that life has to offer