/lit/ - Literature

>qu'est ce que c'est

>that that

get got

>that that

>>16284954
>qu'est ce que c'est que ça

>ching chong

>>16285040
what a joke of a language

>elephant is not assaulting a woman

>>16285045
You can always ask "c’est quoi?" or just "qu’est-ce?" or, if you are feeling clever, you can go all the way and say
>qu’est-ce que c’est que ça que c’est?

>>16284943
>then then

>>16284943
it's the writing equivalent of painting yourself into a corner without realizing it, just sloppy work and then you gotta redo the whole sentence

>>16285084
In Québec we say: Quossé ça?

>had he not had

>>16285040
>>16284954
>y a-t-il

>>16285138
n'y avait-il pas?

Bob, where Alice had had 'had', had had 'had had', 'had had' had had a better impact.

>can't've

>Дa нeт, нaвepнoe

>se se

>nous nous
>vous vous

>>16285243
>iam iam

>je ne vous en veux pas
>I don't blame you
what the...

>>16284943
God likes elephants, and I like elephants

>>16284954
PSYCHO KILLER!!!
C'EST CE QUE C'EST!!!

FAFA FAFA FAFA FAFA FA FA BETTER

RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN AWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY

OOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUOOO

>>16285324
Ce que j'ai fais, ce soir la
Ce qu'elle a dit, ce soir la
Realisant mon espoir
Je me lance, vers la gloire, OK

>te sers-je ?

>that that had had

>>16285121
>it's the writing equivalent of painting yourself into a corner without realizing it
no, english language just lacks proper past tenses

>>16284943
had had had had

What it is is what I had had.

>>16285348
>te sers-je, Serge, ces asperges ?
>oui, asperge moi

What's the worst sentence you can write with had had and that that, while remaining grammatically correct?

>>16286102
James while John had had had had had had had had had had had a better effect on the teacher

>>16285175
what the fuck this actually makes sense

>>16286102
I know I got the following from some cringe reddit or I fucking love science type thing but here it is anyway:

Buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo.

"Annoyed bison from Buffalo, NY annoy other bison from Buffalo, NY."

>>16285175

‘had’ in this case is the abstract form, such as “he had her” or “this is where it was had?”

>>16285121
As the another anon said, English is deficient in inflections, and you'll occasionally try to express a thought naturally and realize the tense, case, whatever you need doesn't exist mid sentence, and sometimes you end up with bizarre constructions like had had. If someone uses it in writing they're a brainlet, because there's always a better wording, but it is the natural construction you would try to use during speech.

>>16287570
English is perfect. If you think there's a tense you need but don't have, it must be because you were too stupid ever to have learned it for later.

>>16285175
Can someone to whom this makes sense post a vocaroo of it?

>>16287625
What's the direct replacement for "had had" or "that that," then?

>>16287570
Who the fuck cares if you're saying a word twice as long as context and the logical limitations of your language still allow whomever is listening to infer your meaning?

>>16284943
>I'dn't

>>16284943
>>16284964
I don't get the butthurt. Are you underb&? From what I recall kids nowadays are butthurt about some less common words/constructions (e.g. there was a time they were seething about 'whom').

>have to have had
Bros, is there seriously anything wrong with these sorts of statements? If they're the most concise way to say something, why choose some retarded roundabout way of saying the same thing? They sound fine to me.

that that had had had had ought to have had had had

>>16285175
Based, this is how languages are, this is what makes them beautiful.
>Niwa niwa niwatori ga iru.
Or that chinese story that is entirely made up of 'shi'.

>>16284943
>die die

>>16284943
>nigger nigger

>how much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood

>ought to have been

>>16287912
>裏庭には二羽庭には二羽鶏がいる。
>Uraniwa ni wa niwa, niwa ni wa niwa niwatori ga iru.
>Translation: There are two chickens in the back yard, and two in the front yard.

Arabic superior language can't find a flaw
الزنوج يلعقون شرجي

spurdo coming through make way

>>16288004

>>16288006

>>16288004
So what's really going on here? I assume most of those words are some kind of compound or something?

>>16288004
xd

>>16288015
yes

>>16287570
>If someone uses it in writing they're a brainlet
Infinitely better writers than you have used "had had." You have no idea what you're talking about.

>>16287646
had'd

>>16288073
Such as? Care to give an example?

>>16287646
>I'd had
ez hack

>>16288099
different anon but do you even know what past tense means?

Macie anony, jedyne "trick your GF" gdzie choć przez chwilę baba udaje speszoną.
https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph5f4b9f545f55d

>>16284943
>Au jour d'aujourd'hui

>>16288099

>>16287646
>had had
Already had, if you must.
>that that
Never even seen this arise.

>>16288653
I believe that that happens infrequently.

>>16285315
Would read this book tbqh

>>16288015
no

>>16288012
Babbys first agglutination

>>16285315
very nice

>>16284954
What's the problem with that?

>>16285124
de quessé?

>>16288753
You typed the word "that" one too many times. Simply delete one.

>>16288015
those autistic fucks use 20 cases

will have been going to

>>16288860
It won't then convey exactly the same message as he intended to.

>>16288860
He didn't though, 'that' just is used both as a conjunction and a pronoun. According to the MW page I'm on it's also an adverb as in 'i didn't like her that much', and it has 3 different pronoun usages

shouldn't'v'had'd

>>16288891
It will. Don't fear.
>>16288899
I understand. Delete one, it will work fine.

>to be about to be led

>>16288899
>According to the MW page I'm on it's also an adverb as in 'i didn't like her that much'

Can we go even further and get 3?

ειμί ή γυνη. ειμί προσ τον οικον
What were the ancient Greeks thinking by making the verb to go/come in the future tense almost identical to the present to be?

>>16286102
Can't hads just be added ad nauseum?

He had an icecream

He hadn't had an icecream

He had had an icecream

He hadn't had had an icecream

He had had had an icecream

etc.

que qué?

>>16288915
>That that that quickly moved through the
yeah that's 3 different ones, pronoun, conjunction, adverb

>>16289038
wait no, that's two pronouns I think
>I believe that that that that quickly moved
There's 4, conjunction, pronoun, pronoun, adverb

>>16285315

>>16288653
Fucking zoomer.

>>16287947
Does this just work in written language, can it be understood when they talk?

>>16289663
Yes, I know, you have no riposte. It's going to be okay. Find peace.

>do do

>>16289728
You have no fucking point to refute, zoomer.

>>16289853
Sure I did, it was the one that made you mad to begin with.

>Will will will it

>>16289917
Nah, your arbitrary butthurt claim that it's bad has no merit. As if some fucking tween's opinion meant anything. Maybe read a book, then you will get used to it in time, kiddo.

>>16290326
Seething.

>I concur

>>16290333
I'm not the one trying to change the language. Seems to me you are the one in impotent fury that English isn't to your liking. Do you also post zoomer memea about "whom"?

>>16284954
These parts of the french language drives me insane

>>16287836
>From what I recall kids nowadays are butthurt about some less common words/constructions
And they love shit like "on accident"

>>16291030
I'm not trying to change anything, what are you talking about? I said the language is perfect. Cope.

>>16284954
C'est ce que c'est! Tu sait?

>>16289710
Chinese works on vocal ranges, the tone and pitch and if you start on a low or high note or have a high or low note in the middle. So the same word means many different things depending on how you pronounce it, so the story can indeed be understood audibly.

>>16284943
Mr. Hadley had had haddock.

>>16285045
you only speak one language. do not comment on language disaparagingly ever

>>16285040
>qu'est-ce que c'est que c'est-y

>>16285043
cringe as fuck

>>16287947
Chinese tongue twisters are on a whole new level

>>16285315
I miss him desu

>>16290333
If it's perfect and 'had had' is part of the language then how can you be against 'had had'.

>>16291536
I mean they only have a few tones (four in Mandarin?), so unless these words also have slightly different pronunciations the story is chock full of words that are indiscernible from each other (I hesitate to use the word 'homophone' since I'm not sure if it only means same pronunciation or means same pronunciation and tone). Therefore I wager it could be hard to understand from speech, kinda like "John, where Bob had had 'had had', had had 'had'; 'had had' had had the examiner's approval".

>>16292085
I speak 4 though

>>16284954
>vous vous couchez
>nous nous couchons

>>16293600
>voulez-vous vous avouer voué à vivre

>>16292973
You're getting confused (probably happens a lot). There's always another way to construct the sentence, because English is so flexible. "Had had" is the other tripping over his own feet. It's not an indictment of how feet work.

>>16294008
>"Had had" is the other tripping over his own feet
its not the speakers fault english doesn't have tools for expressing past tenses properly

>>16294350
>He had had sex before that
>He had sex before that
It makes no difference. You will say, the former encapsulates [had sex] under its own had, while the latter merely encapsulates [sex] under had. But here's the thing: it's all in the past. It's no difference. It's the kind of abstraction that only lit autists rack their brains to express. It does not matter. Cut one had out. Live your life.

>>16284943
James, while john had "had", had "had had"; "had had" had had a much more impressive effect for the lesson.

>>16294369
but my native language has more granular past tense control and they're there for actual reasons

>>16294369
>But here's the thing: it's all in the past.
Burger education

>>16294369
it should be "he had sexed before that"

>>16294369
>he had a bike but it was stolen
>he had had a bike but it was stolen
In the second it's clear that the event of stealing was in the past. In the past scenario he has already lost his bike, further in the past

>>16288004
>>16288012
How do Finnish spellcheckers work?
>inb4 "they don't"
Do they have a huge list of known sane words (or anything that isn't a hapax legomenon)?
Do they use a set of rules and suffixes to validate each word?
Would I get a big tiddy Finnish gf/qt trap Finnish bf or become a better shitposter if I learn the language?

>>16288905
I believe that that that is necessary.

>>16288641
lol BTFO

>>16294498
many of those never get used anywhere except in memes like these

>based off of

>>16284943


shain't

>>16293092
It makes total sense until you lose your place. It's buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo, but long.

>>16295074
Do you know Chinese or are you assuming? Did you read it first or hear it first?

>>16294008
I'm glad that I'm speaking with a greater writer than Shakespeare. Care to share your works, anon-chan?

>>16294369
Read up on past simple and past perfect.

>>16295082
A little of both. When you read, your brain looks at the overall shape of the word, compares it to the shape of the prior word, and then actually looks at the letters. Similarly, when you hear speech, your brain compares the "shape" of the word to the prior word(s) to make sure it fits, then actually checks the specifics.

There's also little bits of information that we communicate when speaking (in English, verbal stress is a good example of this, which is why you can tell what's going on when you present a present), such as how long certain words are, or the gaps between certain words ("Buffalo buffalo buffalo... BUFFALO... buffalo buffalo buffalo).

Mandarin has a lot of homophones (it actually uses only like two thirds of the sounds the language can make, for example "pe" just goes totally unused), but certain initial-final-tone combinations can only mean certain things, so it's legible up until a point. As the amount of shis build up, the possibilities mount, until eventually you get lost.

Mandarin tries to avoid these kind of situations (this is sort of related to why "a" and "an" both exist, and why "the" has two pronunciations) whenever possible, so this is a specific case. It's also totally legible in Chinese languages other than Mandarin, which has experienced a drastic increase in homophones (there's actually seven phonemes in that poem, independent of tones, in Cantonese, for example).

>>16287630
I'm a little late but here you go anon
https://voca.ro/14qrcMLuTgoV

>>16292155
>chinese

>>16284943
>that that

makes me cringe
German is worse

>>16288832
>what is this that it is

>Started toward

Fucking hate this, and every cunt uses it.

>>16288653
that that is the same as that which
>The man had eaten pizza before bed last night, but it wasn't that that had had such a measurable effect on his bowel movement

>and but so
>using defenestration to denote removal of window(s)

>>16285315
I miss him too

>>16294369
i wish i had sex once