/lit/ - Literature

>>16252771

>>16252771
Heraclitus. Fuck Parmenides and fuck being, who /flux/ here?

>>16252771
Hermotimus

>>16252771
DIotima

>>16252771
Confucius

>>16252824
With you on Heraclitus for sure. Haven't read Parmenides in far too long to denounce him though.

>>16252771
I am absolutely sure you haven't read more than 20 pages written by Parmenides

>>16252914
have more than 20 pages of his work even survived?

>>16252824
>it's another "Heraclitus believed everything was change retards"
Very disappointing that people still misunderstand the river metaphor.

>>16252925
What did he mean by it then genius

>>16252925
Then explain it to us.

>>16252923
One of his poems and the Plato dialogue about him are all we have.

>>16252824
>>16252905
I'm inclined towards Heraclitus as opposed to Parmenides and am personally a fan of Nietzsche's take on their dynamic (Parmenidean Ice to match our Fire), but I don't think Parmenides can be easily discounted

>>16252771
Thales. The founder of Western civilization :)

>>16252975
mfw the founder of western civilization :) was turkish

>>16253024
Yes, all roads lead to Çatalhöyük.

>>16252824
A sophist, nominalist, atheist, materialist monist, nihilist, panmobilist professor was teaching a class on Heraclitus, known weeper.

“Before the class begins, you must momentarily accept that a new class is beginning every moment, and that once the class is over you will never be able to recall the same class (or infinite number of classes made up of an infinitude of moments, as it were) again.”

At this moment a brave Platonic, Aristotelian, Thomist who full understood that the problem of universals was the central problem of all metaphysics and philosophy and who knew that all modern philosophy was the misguided following of Ockham’s nominalism, stood up and said:

“Everything flows, panta rhei; is that right, professor?”

The amorphous professor smirked quite formlessly and ambiguously replied, “Yes, it’s been approximately 2500 years since Heraclitus established the doctrine that everything flows.”

“Wrong. If everything flows, as you say, then the statement "everything flows” also flows, making it as permanent or established as the proverbial river that was no doubt was made up of babby Heraclitus’ tears, probably because he knew that he would never be a true philosopher.“

The professor was visibly shaken, and dropped his copy of "Wild Ones ft. Sia” by Flo Rida. He stormed out of the room crying those nominalist tears. The same tears that are not the same tears when they leave the eye as when they hit the floor. There is no doubt that at this point our professor, Jacques Derrida, had contemplated the Forms instead of peddling ancient sophisms among a degenerate Academia. He wished so much that he had a self to kill, but he himself had argued that the self is nothing but a transitory event in the great flow of things!

The students applauded and all read the Republic and accepted that everything derives its existence from one universal Form, Αγαθών. The Apology was read several times, and Socrates himself showed up and acted as midwife for all the noble truths that the students’ souls were pregnant with.

Nothing became of the professor because according to his own logic he ceases to be by the end of this post.

Χαλάζι Πλάτωνα.

>>16253024
Western civilization was started b the Greeks smashing Troy/ Wilusa.

>>16252946
>>16252947
Well it is by the recognition of the very simple fact in the belief in a Logos as he says explicitly many times, "having harkened not to me but to the Word, you should agree that wisdom is knowing that all things are one". The waters may flow, and so do you to him, but the river stays.

>>16252771
For me its monke

>>16252771
There are none.

>>16253116

Pythagoras. Secretive cult leader, master of triangluar side length calculations, and understood the evil of beans.

>>16253392
Don't forget morally vegetarian.

>>16253116
Based

>>16252771
Parmenides then Pythagoras then empedocles

monke

>>16253392
Also was killed by being tied up and thrown overboard.

>>16252894
bullied by Zhuangzi

>>16252771
The pongo truly is the best presocratic philosopher

>>16253335

>>16253694
Remove the gay fangs.

>>16253700
They have fangs desu

>>16253671
Do you think his act of holding all of the religious and ideological symbols together represents a belief in the outright denial of the subjective existence of politics?

>>16253703
>>16253703
Not on the outside of their mouth, which it clearly is in the picture.

>>16253706
i think it represents the denial of the objective existence of politics, there is no "correct" ideology

>>16253706
>>16253841
The book I took that picture from discusses the pongo as a peddler of superficialities. The items depicted are his playthings.

>>16252771
Empedocles lines up closest to my own worldview

pongo of ephesus

>>16252771
Pythagoras, then, Heraclitus, then Parmenides.

>Alas! Alas! why did Pythagoras hold
>Beans in such wondrous honour? Why, besides,
>Did he thus die among his choice companions?
>There was a field of beans; and so the sage,
>Died in the common road of Agrigentum,
>Rather than trample down his favourite beans.

Based Pythagoras.

>>16253875
):/

I do not like this interpretation, methinks the writer has wronged Pongo's wisdom.

>>16254117
At least he recognizes the power of the pongo. I just felt that the image fit too perfectly for this discussion.

>>16254142
Yes, it does, for we can see the true Pongo's meaning.

>>16252975
You mean Homer?

for me, its big boy beni

>>16252771
I don't have a favourite because I can't judge something based on a Wikipedia footnote.

>>16254280
THEN ACTUALLY READ A BOOK WHY DO I HAVE TO TELL YOU THIS, WE'RE ON THE LITERATURE BOARD!!!!!!!!!

>>16254255
Beni looks pretty based.

>>16252947
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=El78l6-pNoM

>>16252824
Cringe and bluepilled, flux cucks STILL seething

>>16252771
Definitely Democritus

>>16252771
Yajnavalkya

>>16252771
Either Solon or Lycurgus. Plutarch's biographies on them in his "lives" are beyond based.

Anaximander. Came up with a primary element which wasn’t a single material property like the rest of those Thales-descended retards.

>>16253283
So you're doing the retroactive "Heraclitus was ACTUALLY a Christian/Muslim/Jew" thing, then.

>>16255651
Thanks, I'll watch this later.

The Virgin Heraclitus
>gets swollen knees, covers himself in literal bullshit, and then gets eaten alive by wild dogs
The Chad Empedocles
>jumps into a volcano

>>16253283
No, the river changes too. The Greek he uses explicitly affirms this. No man steps in the same river twice, because no man is the same man twice, and no river is the same river twice.

>>16255672
FluxCHADs may seethe from time to time, but beingVIRGINS can never be anything but virgins.

>>16253116
unbelievably based

>>16255887
>So you're doing the retroactive "Heraclitus was ACTUALLY a Christian/Muslim/Jew" thing, then.
No read my post again, I'm not saying he was an ethical-philosopher, though of course he advocates wisdom and so forth as the Greeks did, he does say that there is One truth, and his entire philosophy obviously revolves around an attempt to reveal the truth of that foregrounding of reality. If life is flame, then it stands for more than change.

>>16255933
>the fire doesn't change
No, it does. You should actually read Heraclitus. He's pretty explicit about what changes.

There's a number of good books on this on ligen that do line-by-line translations and give explanations on what the precise language that Heraclitus uses means.

>>16255918
Yes, but he also said that it is the waters that flow in the same rivers, and many other comments including even the one you post which if understood correctly abide by the statement of metaphysical foregrounding, essentially. But, of course, being cannot be spoken of as an object, it is what allows existence. What is the eternal Word in Heraclitus? That which all things are One, as he says, and also says war and peace are the same, yet different and so on?

>>16255964
>No, it does. You should actually read Heraclitus. He's pretty explicit about what changes.
Anon, I have, that's why I'm posting this. Of course it is rather similar to Taoism, reaching to the utmost limits of being. Everything according to Heraclitus changes, but that is not change alone.

>>16252771
HERACLITUS

>>16253165

>>16255891
Holy ... based ...

pongo

>>16252771
can someone give me some shit on parmenides? is he like the opposite of heraclitus? i know he doesnt have much extent, but whats there to read from/about him
that notwithstanding, heraclitus is based af and all the people of ephesus should be hung like the dogs they are

>>16253597
Some traditions say he was killed because he refused to cross a field of beans when some people were pursuing him.