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Why are England and Russia so overpowered when it comes to Christian literature? No other countries come close to those two

>> No.16227061
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>>16227050
Retard

>> No.16227078

>>16227061
Not.
Even.
Close.

>> No.16227586
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>>16227050
Huh?

>> No.16227621

>>16227050
Besides Shakespeare there's only maybe two or three other A*glos worth reading.

>> No.16227625

>>16227050
What about Germans and Italians?

>> No.16227668

>>16227621
While this is true, it's misleading, because of the outrageous greatness of those 2-3. Shakespeare and Chaucer should be on every man's shelf. Shakespeare blows me away every time I read him.
>I just wish I enjoyed reading Chaucer

>> No.16227717

>>16227668
Chaucer is irrelevant to non-English native speakers. Literally a rehash of Boccaccio.

>> No.16228529
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>>16227621
C.S. Lewis
Edmund Spenser
George Herbert
John Milton
John Donne
John Bunyan
Jonathan Swift
J.R.R. Tolkien
T.S. Eliot

Just a few of my favorites.

There's also obviously the King James Bible, and the 1662 Book of Common Prayer. Good stuff.

>> No.16228536

>>16227668
Shakespeare is not as good as anglos think he is

>> No.16228540

>>16227621
Shakespeare, Bunyan, Milton, Blake
Not to mention the King James Bible
Mogs the entire rest of the world

>> No.16228562

>>16228540
>King James Bible
A tragedy and a travesty.

>> No.16228571

>>16228536
yes he is

>> No.16228584

>>16228540
>Mogs the entire rest of the world
>World
Just stick to west, a*glo

>> No.16228598

>>16228584
No, world

>> No.16228620

>>16228571
Not really. If he was born anywhere else, he’d be a footnote among the greats at best.

>> No.16228633

>>16228620
Who do you think is better from for example France?

>> No.16228639

Russia? Maybe. Definitely not England. Even the Irish blow them the fuck out.

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Who is John Galt?

>> No.16228669

>>16228633
France? France can suck my dick. Russia and Spain have better writers than Shakespeare. Cervantes, Lope de Vega, Chekhov, Pushkin, Dostoevsky. Germany’s Goethe is miles ahead of Shakespeare. Shakespeare is on Dante’s level at best. Mind you, he’s great but he’s not as great as anglos make him out to be. Harold Bloom’s perpetual hard on for him is comically accurate as how anglos think. The importance of English literature is owed to political reasons, not literary ones.
Once again, I’m not saying Shakespeare is bad. I’m saying anglos are delusional when it comes to his importance.

>> No.16228789

>>16227050
>England
Okay, this just isn't fair. You guys had Shakespeare. Don't you understand? He's the greatest writer who ever lived, bar none. All of literature before him was preparing humanity for him. All of literature that came after is an attempt to honor him. In Shakespeare, one comes the closest they can to touching and tasting divinity, to feeling all of human emotion, condensed into plays and poems. To read Shakespeare is to become human. I remember in high school how my friends dreaded reading him, and I remember never understanding their emotions. I've read Macbeth at least fifty times: that story alone would make him the greatest European writer ever. But Shakespeare didn't only produce Macbeth. He traveled through dozens of settings, from times ancient to him and to us, to his day, to the fantastical realm of the fairies, and to many more. The soliloquies he wrote are beautiful; in them one can find his worldview, ornate descriptions of England itself (not the lowly physical realm we call England, but the IDEA of England) and raw emotions which have left me speechless.

Oh Shakespeare! I credit him with shaping my emotions. When I read his works, I saw myself. I am Macbeth, anointed in the thunder and lightning! I am that man whose love's eyes are nothing like the sun, but for me shine brighter than the stars.

Oh Shakespeare! His sonnets are the purest form of poetry; they finished the art. After him, poetry is merely self-indulgent pleasure- what can be said that he did not already say better than we ever could?

People say that life is rough, that our modern era is a low point- how can anyone say that, when today Shakespeare can be enjoyed by all, for free? His texts can be read freely; his plays can be seen performed on the Internet. We are blessed to live in a time when one can work, come home, and read the Winter's Tale.

So, OP, one cannot talk about England when it comes to literature. They have won that battle forever, simply due to being the place Shakespeare lived.

>> No.16228794

>>16228658
i'm john galt
sup

>> No.16228844

>>16227050
>orthos
>angl*cans
>Christian
pick one. shakes was catholic anyway

>> No.16228861

>>16228540
>King James Bible Mogs the entire rest of the world
>thou shalt commit adultery

>> No.16228888
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>>16228861
>printers' errors are part of the original product

>> No.16228904

>>16228844
>shakes was catholic anyway
I agree with this "conspiracy theory" as well.

>> No.16228907

>>16228888
cope

>> No.16229003

>>16228844
Don’t care about denomination just country

>> No.16229029

>>16228861
What? I own a King James Bible and it says thou shalt not commit adultery. And the original printing also says thou shalt not commit adultery.

>> No.16229065

>>16229029
Hes obsessed. He posts that whenever the KJV is mentioned.
There was a once a printer's error in which someone forgot "not" and it particular printing came to be known as the "Wicked Bible". The printer was imprisoned for it.

>> No.16229093

>>16228669
I don't want to appeal to authority, here, but, aside from my own feelings when reading these authors, literally no one with serious taste or sway agrees with your assessment.
>Dante's level at best
Yes, you are talking about the two men who "divide the world between them".
.... Why do I come to this place? Where Goethe, who is only strong in his Lyrics, is called greater than Dante?

>> No.16229124

>>16229029
>>16229065
cope harder. your """"bible"""" isn't even real, its a fanfiction.

>> No.16229179

>>16229065
>The printer was imprisoned for it.
Poor guy. It was obviously a honest mistake.

>> No.16229244

>>16229093
>muh academia agreement
That's the problem, you dumbass. Anglo academia agrees with anglos smelling their own farts. Anywhere else in the world, though? Shakespeare is not that important.

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>>16227621
They have some room on my shelf, there's tolkien to the left and below. The reason Lewis won't ever die, is because the almost all lay Christians love him. You don't see many people reading Hamlet casually, but almost all Christians I talk to love Lewis' work.
>>16227050
I find that Orthodox countries have a diehard Christian tradition that can't be taken away. England's has really passed away, but Russia still has a huge monastic tradition and makes strides in spiritual art. Most notably, the film Ostrov (the island) has been pretty significant despite its recent release.

>> No.16229644

>>16229244
My authorities are not from the disgusting academic miasma, you pleb. Who do you think is the most gifted critic? You like to cite which artists you think best, without substantiating anything, without listing a single criterion, so why not say WHY Shakespeare is overrated? It isn't by poets, ranging as far as Berryman to Pound. Where do you place Dickinson? What are your credentials? Honestly you sound like an edgelord who thinks it's still 1956 and everyone is worshipping Shakespeare and Milton. Why don't you focus on MILTON's hackery? You are both stone and glass house.

>> No.16229780

>>16228669
>Germany’s Goethe is miles ahead of Shakespeare
WILHELM had scarcely read one or two of Shakspeare’s plays, till their effect on him became so strong
that he could go no farther. His whole soul was in commotion. He sought an opportunity to speak with
Jarno; to whom, on meeting with him, he expressed his boundless gratitude for such delicious
entertainment.
“I clearly enough foresaw,” said Jarno, “that you would not remain insensible to the charms of the most
extraordinary and most admirable of all writers.”
“Yes!” exclaimed our friend; “I cannot recollect that any book, any man, any incident of my life, has
produced such important effects on me, as the precious works, to which by your kindness I have been
directed. They seem as if they were performances of some celestial genius, descending among men, to
make them, by the mildest instructions, acquainted with themselves. They are no fictions! You would
think, while reading them, you stood before the unclosed awful Books of Fate, while the whirlwind of
most impassioned life was howling through the leaves, and tossing them fiercely to and fro. The strength
and tenderness, the power and peacefulness of this man have so astonished and transported me, that I
long vehemently for the time when I shall have it in my power to read farther.”

>> No.16229885

>>16229644
Milton isn't regarded as the best writer of all times, you stupid fuck. That's why I'm not talking about him. Seethe all you want, retard, Shakespeare was a forced meme. If he wasn't an anglo, he would be considered mid tier shit at best.

>> No.16229905

>>16229644
>My authorities are not from the disgusting academic miasma
>Who do you think is the most gifted critic?
top of the line midwitism

>> No.16229926

>>16229885
milton is dogshit.

>> No.16229955

>>16229124
You mean it isn’t true or correct. It is real, it’s on my shelf right now

>> No.16229963

>>16229926
Reread the post you’re responding to until you understand it

>> No.16229970

>>16228844
Most good literature, art, philosophy, etc. to come out of England was made by High Anglicans, Crypto-Catholics and Catholics.
For all the educating the Puritans did they did not develop the creative spirit.

>> No.16229971

>>16229963
i didn't even read the full post i just hate milton

>> No.16229981

>>16229274
I would disagree.
Despite the utter battering the Monastic and Priestly tradition has taken in England I've seen promising signs of revival.
And what is written cannot be lost, so the tradition will always be there for someone to take up the torch.

>> No.16230018

>>16229971
based

>> No.16230157

>>16229179
>Additionally, Deuteronomy 5:24 reads “And ye said, Behold, the LORD our God hath shewed us his glory and his great-asse,” instead of the correct "greatness[e]".

>> No.16230182

>>16227061
same

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>>16227050
>Why are England and Russia so overpowered when it comes to Christian literature? No other countries come close to those two

Perhaps so, if you frame the issue narrowly in terms of fiction-writing, exclusively.

If you broaden the scope a bit, then, just for starters, you have to bring Spain's John of the Cross and Teresa of Avila, and France's Caussade and Therese of Lisieux.

>> No.16231203

>>16228669
What about Proust? Shakespeare has been considered great outside of England for centuries. Goethe adored him, as others have mentioned.

>> No.16231461

>>16229971
I feel you anon.

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My city has like every kind of ethnic Orthodox Church and I would like to speak to a priest at one to get more information on the religion (and possibly lead to a conversion.) Which ones would be the best to contact?

>> No.16232818

bumperino

>> No.16232852

>>16232354
There's an American Orthodox Church, not need to go ethnic if you're an amerimutt.

>> No.16232875 [DELETED] 

>>16232852
I polish ethnically

>> No.16232881

>>16232852
I'm ethnically polish, not a mutt per se

>> No.16232885

>>16227621
Edmund Spenser
Geoffrey Chaucer
Ben Johnson
Christopher Marlowe
William Wordsworth
Samuel Taylor Coleridge
William Butler Yeats
William Blake
Charles Dickens
Emily Bronte
George Eliot
William Blake
Lord Byron
Alfred, Lord Tennyson
Robert Browning

And many, many others are worth reading.

>> No.16233824

>>16232885
why no keats

>> No.16233833

>>16233824
Blake is so good that he got Keats’ spot by being listed twice.

>> No.16233860

>>16233824
>>16233833
Ha! Definitely meant to write Keats, but accidentally wrote Blake a second time. Whoops.

>> No.16233864

Is Chaucer really that important? Should I skip him?

>> No.16233871

>>16233864
Yes. Yes he is. At least read a few of The Canterbury Tales like The Wife of Bath, The Knight, The Monk, and the General Prologue

>> No.16233879

>>16233864
Chaucer is massively important and one of the only writers that approaches Shakespeare’s greatness.

>> No.16233898

>>16227621
Favela monkey hands wrote this

>> No.16234128

>>16228529
>Tolkien
fuck off retard

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>>16234128
No. Tolkien is great. Keep coping contrarian.

>> No.16234645

>>16227061
Based Mexican

>> No.16234664

my dad insists shakespeare was an atheist humanist still lmao

>> No.16234894

>>16234497
Unironically kill yourself, contrarian subhuman.

>> No.16234902
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>>16234894
No.

>> No.16234916

>>16234902
>likes Tolkien
>posts Japanese cartoon coomer material
Checks out. Enjoy your mediocre existence and have a nice day!

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>>16234916
Unironically what is wrong with you you seem miserable
I hope things get better for you anon

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>>16234936
>Unironically what is wrong with you you seem miserable
>I hope things get better for you anon

>> No.16234953

The blue whale guy was right. You should bully brainlets out of existence.

>> No.16236596

>>16233864
He’s arguably the “father of English literature” and his dialect of Middle English isn’t very hard to understand if you’re fluent in Modern English (unlike Sir Gawain and the Green Knight or Beowulf). You don’t have to read all of his work but at least read a few of his tales.

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>>16228529
nice list

>> No.16237340

>>16228669
Apples to oranges. Those aren't playwrights.

>> No.16237356

>>16233864
Learn how to pronounce Middle English and read the tales aloud. I like to do this in the house and larp as a medieval bard (pls no bully)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GihrWuysnrc