/lit/ - Literature

>>16233991
for germany? if you were living here, you'd know that it has been over for decades. the culture is so rotten, it's no wonder nobody appreciates Hegel

>>16233991
>>16234824
Germany seems depressingly vacant and sterile

>>16233991
They don't love their culture anymore or take pride in their nation, a great philosopher who is notoriously difficult is no longer a source of that pride or a struggle of betterment, but something to be given up on and rejected, ashamed almost. Anything that will exert the man who feels shame for who he is, will also take on a place of shame, especially when that is part of his history.

>>16234834
I don't disagree but where is different?

>>16234824
Why? At the very least, there's free education and universal healthcare. The bureaucracy is annoying, but honestly? Those are the two most important things.

>>16234842
It's hard because of ww2. It's obnoxious how much they cram ww2 history down your throat, but it wasn't that long ago. It's going to be a couple more years before you can proudly announce yourself a German nationalist without being automatically a nazi

>>16234842
>>16234848
Yes I’m sure back in the old days the average German was reading and understanding Hegel. If it weren’t for these damn leftists we’d all be reading Schelling and speaking Greek!

>>16234859
Dude, I'm not the one arguing against you.

>>16234864
Your point is retarded anyway. How can your sole analysis of culture be “they have free education and healthcare”?

>>16234834
That's how it was like during Kant's time too. From pain arises beauty

>>16234873
Because, like you, I spend most of my time on 4chan. To have a deeply involved opinion would be entire disingenuous. I had the opportunity to either stay in Germany or return to the states, and I chose Germany. Considering that healthcare and education are one of the main pillars of German society (ostensibly) I think they're valid arguments. There are a lot of problems, because no where is perfect, but I got to go to school, I have no debt, and if I'm diagnosed with cancer tomorrow, I don't have to worry about me or my family becoming homeless.

>>16234834
depends on where you are.
Berlin? No. München? Yes.

>Germans are now learning what the Anglos have known for over a century
Glad they're finally catching up.

>>16234859
The masses have never and will never read Hegel, I'm not sure why you're even bringing this up. The people you're replying to were pointing out that the literary culture of Germany apparently is turning on Hegel(I don't know whether this is true).

>>16234924
So positivist and analytic bullshit? That's called degradation not catching up.

>>16234848
>Why? At the very least, there's free education and universal healthcare. The bureaucracy is annoying, but honestly? Those are the two most important things.
if that's all you need to live a fulfilled life, then you are a perfect description of the average german.
I wish I was able to put in words all the contempt I have for the culture in this country. it's saddening to see that not even the youth is rebelling against the established culture

>>16235046
What specific grievances do you have? Do even live there?

>>16235046
I'm honestly curious what you want more? I'm not saying Germany is perfect, or that it can't be made better, but is it really that bad? There are regular protests with actual results, people are provided with what they need to survive-

As far as I'm concerned, a successful government is a government that provides its people with the means to survive. Housing, food, education, healthcare. If your grievances are based in your political opinions, then isn't that a different discussion?

>>16235079
I'm not that anon, but I am curious: how dangerous is Germany with the recent influx of refugees? I remember reading about women getting assaulted en mass a few years ago. Is it actually risky to go to Muslim areas, or did I fall for the meme?

Smarter people have refuted him

>>16235100
/pol/ meme.

>>16235100
it is bs imo

>>16235100
The migrants genuinely do cause problems but they are such a tiny percentage of Germany's population that the country itself is extremely safe.

"Hegel, installed from above, by the powers that be, as the certified Great Philosopher, was a flat-headed, insipid, nauseating, illiterate charlatan, who reached the pinnacle of audacity in scribbling together and dishing up the craziest mystifying nonsense. This nonsense has been noisily proclaimed as immortal wisdom by mercenary followers and readily accepted as such by all fools, who thus joined into as perfect a chorus of admiration as had ever been heard before. The extensive field of spiritual influence with which Hegel was furnished by those in power has enabled him to achieve the intellectual corruption of a whole generation." - Basedenhauer

>>16235100
>Germany with the recent influx of refugees? I remember reading about women getting assaulted en mass a few years ago. Is it actually risky to go to Muslim areas, or did I fall for the meme?
Honestly? I don't know. I've been here since 2005, and since then, I've encountered a couple of refugees that were pretty annoying, but not in anyway aggressive or intimidating. But, I do live in the boondocks. I live outside münchen in a place that does have a larger number of refugees, and I haven't had any problems. But, like I said, I live in the boonies. Maybe it's different in the city, but mostly, everyone just stays politely away from each other.

>>16234965
Positivism was a German thing; we Anglos only dabbled in it for a short period of time.

>>16233991
Just read an opinion piece in a (non-anglo) paper which argued that Hegel actually isn't as difficult to read as people think.

hegel chads
vermin schopenhauer
this much is true
dont reply

>>16235131
Notanargumenthauer

>>16235063
I do
my main issue would be that the massenkultur in germany has become more prominently consumerist and uninspired. what germans think is "typical german culture" is just a retardation of century old customs. the bad aspect about this is, that they only exist in the most consumerist form. take Oktoberfest and Karneval as examples for this. there, germans can openly live out their consumerism and hedonistic pleasures, which is excessive alcohol consumption and promiscuity, under the umbrella term of "german tradition". just give them cheap shiny looking costumes and let some mind numbing music (which is freshly produced by the culture industry to fit the current music trends) blast their ears, and they will believe that they are living out some form of german tradition.
you can definitely argue that this is something which persists under most capitalist cultures, but what's particularly sad about germany is that there is no form of ACTUAL counter culture or subcultures existing. I would be fine with the dimwits enjoying their uninspired lifes, if I had some form of culture existing here I could take part of. but there is none. the subcultures among young people are precissely conformist to all the issues I have with massenkultur. in a way, they are even worse by believing to be non-conformist, when in reality they are just imported cultures which sell best to stupid teenagers.
if you listen to a lot of music, you will know exactly what I'm talking about. while new forms of music is regularly created in the underground scene of english speaking countries, germany seems to be in the shadow of it. they tend to import those new waves of music, but have rarely been the ones to create them in the past few decades

>>16235079
I barely have any issues with german politics. I'm glad I live with all the positive aspects of social democracy. nonetheless, I still feel alone in this whole machinery

>>16234859
No you retard but no German intellectual would not be proud of it, and recognise what any nationalist could with brains or not, that Germany has produced the greatest artists and philosophers and even leaders of its day. And no doubt the common man would have heard quite a bit about Hegel in the 19th century, you're telling me he didn't know a bit about the philosophy of history?

>>16234824
>it's no wonder nobody appreciates Hegel
There's nothing to appreciate. He wrote literal gibberish.

>>16234859
Everyone would know about Hegel if it weren't for these goddamn Marxists!

>>16235419
Out of curiosity, what's your opinion on krautrock?

>>16235419
>nonetheless, I still feel alone in this whole machinery
but does that mean there's fault in the system? Or in you?