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For talking about the >craft.
Last one was excellent lads, keep it up.
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>> No.16182993

Doing some fucking steampunk horror shit. It's more horror than farting steam every five seconds. How badly will I fuck up? My first draft is nearly done, it will be my first attempt at a book. They say a first book ultimately fails and I don't want to have a big head about having wrote anything. I will continue this story onward into a second book and possibly further. I imagine it should get rejected quite a few times. I can't claim to know diddle fuck about writing but I've felt good about it. Any input helps.

>> No.16183048
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>craft

>> No.16183061

>>16182993
Input on what? Well, it's good if you're feeling good, it'd be bad if you were feeling bad.

>> No.16183067

Going to start writing essays, where do I post to get constructive feedback criticism?

>> No.16183086

>>16183067
Try reddit

>> No.16183107

>>16183061
I had originally wanted this story to be short. Then the damn world blew up in my head. I birthed a planet with god that created it. A dominant religion. A troubled girl as a main character (she so bootiful) and her process of growing the fuck up. What do I absolutely need to make this book click? What can make it sell? I have ideas but I know I will always need more.

>> No.16183137

>>16183086
actually check reddit or are you telling me to fuck off

>> No.16183153

>>16183137
lol my sides

>> No.16183191

>>16183107
Everyone has "ideas", mate. It's the execution that matters. You could write a bestseller about somebody staring at a fly on the wall, if you know your shit. The idea is not important.

>> No.16183243

>>16183137
Actually check it. People like to make fun of reddit all the time but its pretty good for serious questions like yours.

>> No.16183253

what software is best for writing?

>> No.16183257

>>16183191
Staring at a fly on a wall, then the cocksucking fly turns into a real cunt of a monster and starts sucking brains out of skulls. It flies, it kills, it won't die, we need a hero to save us. Sorry, shitbags, there is no one, not even Saitama, who will stop this brain-sucking fly. Every mind it absorbs makes its intelligence grow, the fly develops psychic powers and blows the fuck out military forces who fight with it. The fly is beyond the capacity of human fear, it literally collapses people internally, making them easy prey. They nuke this prick repeatedly, feeding it radiation, mutating it into a world ending terror. What was once a petty fly on a wall became the embodiment of the Apocalypse!

>> No.16183261

>>16183253
I use my uni’s free Microsoft word.

>> No.16183275

>>16183253
Word. It's the standard.

>> No.16183286

>>16183275
>>16183261
is google docs better or worse or same shit

>> No.16183306

>>16183137
bruh, after 7 threads of "where should I post my x", I've given up. If you need to ask where then the answer is anywhere but here

>> No.16183309

>>16183286
A bit worse but still useable. Pay for Word and get a better grammar check and other features than Google Cocks or free browser Word.

>> No.16183453

>>16183253
Whatever works for you.

>> No.16183609

How do I stop giving every single character I make the exact same personality traits?

>> No.16183624

>>16183609
Don't think in traits but actions and motivations.

>> No.16183867

>>16183309
>free browser word
Oh yeah that exists. Microsoft word online is free

>> No.16184330

I just noticed that when I'm writing a team there's always a character that falls off and it's always the rowdy delinquent type but when I have a duo with a similar character I don't have the same problem.

Anyone had a similar issue?

>> No.16184652

>>16184330
dunno what you mean mate

>> No.16184767
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A lonely tree stood in the field, twisted, black and without leaves. The ground was covered in thick fog that thinned towards the top. The taxi driver steered the cab to the edge of the field, where the gravel road turned into muddy soil.

The preacher's leather shoes were munching in it. He turned around. The cab headed away to the city. Two red, washed-out, fading eyes. He tied the rope around a sturdy branch and looked down on his gay son, who had been walking beside him.

>> No.16184805

>>16184652
That I have characters that fall under that archetype not do anything whenever I'm including them on a team.

>> No.16185746

bump

>> No.16185758
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>author pauses the prose to graphically depict a sex scene between them and the reader (who is the bottom)

>> No.16185913

>>16182582
I feel he would be better off if his nose was broken and he shaved his hair off. The nose looks too precise and perhaps even looks like a rhinoplasty. Meanwhile, he has no redeeming features. The end result is a mis matched face that makes him go from just your usual blob face to some freak. Breaking his nose, he would look normal assuming a septoplasty isn't performed after.

What do you guys think?

>> No.16186108
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>I'm going to write this chapter
>but maybe a little map paiinting for a later arc woudn't hurt haha
Azgaar is too much of a timesink bros

>> No.16186336

/wg/, I've got some interesting writing ahead of me for the next few days. I just laid down the scene where the main character finds out his crush was a special ed student. Next I've got a discussion of another character's backstory, a minor villain preparing to betray his house guests, and then the scene thatI'm going to write and then completely discard in the editing process because it involves preteen nudity and I'm too much of a pussy to include it

>> No.16186398

Idea for a character: basically the standard Big Bad but instead of just being the normal “haha, I burn your village for the evuls!!!” type of antagonist that you see in most books/movies I’m thinking instead of making him think he’s actually the good guy of the story. Like if he was Hitler, instead of hating the Jews he’d actually think they were the bad guys and that’s why he killed them. Do you guys think this might be too complex?

>> No.16186465

>>16186108
can you explain this map?
is this a war between two countries?

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This is a LOT cheaper than I expected, and it allegedly includes marketing cost.

>> No.16186674
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>>16186465
It's one political colonial entity part of a larger interstellar Federation dealing with a open insurrection by anti-Federation syndicates. Bit autism, but thats the deal of it.

Black flag units = Dirty anti-government syndicates
Black markers = swathes of territory occupied by the black-flag syndicate forces.
Fisters = Irregulars taking up arms against the syndicates
Shields = Colonial GI troops
Red flag near Jeong = Expeditionary Federation force part of the orbital fortress

Really only the mountain passageway, and the Jeong city and the route north of it to the coastal Cleona city—actually the spiritual capital of the syndicate movement Azgaar freaks out if you only leave one nation state in when you load a save—will be most of the focus since those are areas the protagonist will be at

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>>16186674
oh yeah one of the layers was suppose to be biomes; they're more or less contained to symptathic cities and towns and limited to areas such as forests, jungles and taigas.

>> No.16186919

Do you guys have a day of the week to write? I'm a busy college student, so I just got four hours in the afternoons every Saturday to get something done there. Just started in late July and I didn't write less than 1k each time.

Maybe there's someone else who does the same?

>> No.16187070

>been consistently writing like 500-1000 words of muh novel per day the last several days outside of the writing I do for work
>making decent progress and not procrastinating much

Feels good

>> No.16187092

two 12-year-olds, a boy and a girl are taking refuge in someone's empty summer home on a cold winter night. Just as they're about to have a romantic moment, something embarrassing happens that humiliates the girl and convinces the boy he's outgrown her

What can possibly happen that would do this without being NSFW? i planned this scene out years ago without considering the consequences, and now that it's here I can't figure out how to write it without outing myself as a sick fuck

>> No.16187104 [DELETED] 

>>16187092
i read a book on sex and it says the reason chicks will fuck funny guys is not actually because they give a shit about jokes but because if something embarrassing happens during sex they feel like they'll be able to laugh about it with the guy instead of cringe

>> No.16187127

>>16187104
I don't see how this applies. I need the scene to be non-sexual, and I need it to seriously screw up their relationship.

>> No.16187133

>>16187127
what is the point of this story, it sounds stupid

>> No.16187156

>>16187092
>how do I write paedo literature without getting caught

>> No.16187158

>>16187092
Dial back the descriptive writing and channel that awkward pre/adolescent energy from your own youth, the general embarrassment of inexperience etc. But seriously make the description overly vague

>> No.16187172

>>16182582
i then came so hard a spurt of blood splashed onto her teeth

>> No.16187177

Is it bad that I find screenwriting advice more useful than theories of literature?

>> No.16187181

>>16187070
Very based, keep it up senpai

>> No.16187207

>>16187133
anon, saying "it sounds stupid" is not helpful.

It's a YA fantasy story. The boy is your typical reluctant hero who's been on a long and dangerous journey with the girl (and some others who are resting in the other room). At the start, the boy didn't know what he was doing and the girl was the brains of the operation, but as the story progressed a series of failures broke the girl's confidence in herself and she fears her friends see her as a failure. For the boy however, he worries that being with him has endangered his friends, including the girl. they're kids, they shouldn't be in this situation. He thinks he needs to do the mature thing and distance himself from them to protect them

tldr; the girl worries people think of her as a dumb kid and the boy feels he has to become a man and handle things himself without endangering the people he cares about. this moment is supposed to convince both of them their deepest fears are right and cause them to split up

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>>16186534
It gets even cheaper.
I was actually thinking of the logistics to self-publish some text-based magazine to some internet niche.

>> No.16187279

>>16183253
SmartEdit. It gives basic formatting/typing, wordcount stats, easily movable chapters/notes, backups, some useful editing checks. Poor man's scrivener I guess, though I haven't used scrivener myself.

>> No.16187287

>>16187279
Why not just use LibreOffice?

>> No.16187303

>>16187287
I was looking for a program that would do the adverb, sentence, user designed list checks. Basically, the editing aspects. Does libre office now do these things? It's been awhile since I used it.

>> No.16187310

>>16187303
>>16187287
answer plox

>> No.16187320

>>16187177
Not if you're struggling with pacing and dialogue

>> No.16187368

>>16187310
Answer what? My answer is above.

>> No.16187391

>>16186534
Threadly reminded that self-publishing is a terrible idea unless you have a big social media following already

>> No.16187401

>>16187391
Get it kickstarted or use a GoFundMe, $700 is not a lot of money to raise, and like the other guy said, market it to some niche.
You could definitely get all the funds up front, making all the profit risk free.

>> No.16187542
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16187542

>just getting back into writing after 2 years
>reading my first draft for my second novel
>it actually seems good
>I don't feel ashamed of my writing like I did with the first novel
feelsgoodman. The first novel I wrote caused me to go into a fairly deep depression because I was going through some stuff at the time and I felt extremely self-conscious over my work, but I feel like that won't happen this time around.

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>>16187542
Glad to hear it anon.

>> No.16187627

>write a story I like
>finish it
>make superficial changes so it appears as either fantasy or science fiction
>submit it to all those publications that beg for submissions
>profit

>> No.16187664

>>16183253
vim+pandoc+markdown+zathura and a terminal emulator of your choice
LaTeX when you're finishing up

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>>16187664
>LaTeX when you're finishing up
sorry but my publisher only accepts .docx

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I'm trying to start a sci-fi/fantasy novel thing but im having trouble starting properly because I can't get my dialogue sounding right. I can do prose for pretty much everything else but my dialogue is atrocious. They sound like bad b-movie scripts.
Does anyone have some good tips at practicing dialogue writing? Maybe some exercises I could try?

>> No.16187863

>>16187401
/wg/ gets a magazine printed, everyone can submit if they pay the ratio of pages they take up, non-contributors can pre-order if they want, at a reduced rate
everything gets compiled together, and sent one
no profit and everyone gets included

/wg/ monthly

>> No.16187873

>>16187664
Based.
Exactly what I do as well.

>> No.16187890
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>>16187693
Bro, just purchase the 10$/a month GPT-3 AIdungeon and put very detailed all the info you want in it and the AI will literally churn out dialogue so you can put in your book. What GPT-3 in AIdungeon can achieve now is unbelievable; you'll never have to have writer's block again in your life.


Although we must concede however, that all the AI being able to write and stuff does take some magic (and especially the challenge) from writing away; and I think that's actually quite a sad thing.

>> No.16187930

>>16187092
>12-year-olds
>romantic moment
Setting aside the author being a pedo, aren't kids that age mostly in the "eww holding hands is gross!" phase?

>> No.16187946

>>16187890
The sad thing is, I'm sure there would be a lot of readers praising the AI-written characters as deep and realistic

>> No.16187966

>>16183624
thanks m8

>> No.16187980

>>16183253
Pages.app

>> No.16188029

>>16187930
Nah, they are confidently out of that phase and slowly going into the romantic phase as puberty slowly kicks off

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>>16187092
Just write what you feel, bro. Don't let anyone stop you.

>> No.16188037

>>16187890
>>16187946
Are the AI dungeon characters that good dialogue wise? I haven't looked into it
How does it compare to just reading books with good dialogue?

>> No.16188044

What makes a character worth caring for?

>> No.16188046

With a pen, you can write anything you want.

>> No.16188051

>>16188046
No shit.

>> No.16188055

>>16188037
GPT-3 just regurgitates the billions of Internet pages they loaded into it.

So about as good as what you'd get randomly googling dialogue.

>> No.16188061

>>16188055
No, GPT is more sophisticated than that.
It's not perfect, but it is a lot better than people think.

>> No.16188064

>>16188061
Can you post an example?

>> No.16188082
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>>16188037
It's actually pretty good; better than what you'd expect from the median average reader to enjoy reading. Don't listen to the idiot AIdeniers that come around here talking about what they don't have a din of knowledge about - AIdungeon is here to stay. If you program it correctly and use the /remember function correctly, and with GPT-3's dragon, then it can write so we'll it then becomes indistinguishable from that of a human, no joke. It can actually create new storylines and creative novel dialogue that hasn't ever been written before. It's amazing and pretty terrifying at the same time.

>> No.16188103

>>16188082
Sound perfect for potboilers but it would not be anything i could be proud of so i will stay away from it unless one day i would have to make a living from writing.

>> No.16188294
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>>16188082
Fortunately, machines can never have soul. They'll just put quantity-over-quality fags out of business and make real talent shine even brighter, the ideal result

>> No.16188301

>>16188051
He said to himself, out loud

>> No.16188401

>>16188064
+1

>> No.16188619

>>16188294
>he thinks it's impossible for a machine to replicate soul
I used to have an image to make my point, it's a guy sitting at a desk with a bunch of papers, on each a task is written, stuff like "drive" or "make music," and most of them are crossed out. The point of the image is to express how much humans underestimate what machines can be taught to do.
GPT-3 is not a simple chatbot, if you were given two paragraphs, one human written, and one machine synthesized, you might not be able to tell one is "fake" if you didn't know to notice it. And even if you were told one was fake, you couldn't always choose correctly.

>> No.16188667

>>16188619
That's right, machines can be taught to do anything that can be taught to them. But they will never be able to do that which can't be taught, but which is willed into existence by transcendent soul. Will itself will forever be incomprehensible to them.

>> No.16188679

>>16188619
>if you were given two paragraphs, one human written, and one machine synthesized, you might not be able to tell one is "fake"
Not him and probably not, especially if you pick some bizarre shit for the human side … but it's an effect you'd get with abstract art too. Let a toddler, a monkey, an artist and an AI draw something abstract, and it'll take quite the work to figure out which did what. When it comes to a complete story, telling the difference will be easier too.

So far none of the gpt shills have even provided anything here.

Also just for the record, I do agree that in the future it might be able to pass off for human 100%, but it's likely to keep writing derivative shit instead of anything with a real substance behind it, in the near to medium future. Enough to replace sport writers, "experimental" hacks and some Hollywood screenwriters but unlikely to matter for literature overall.

>> No.16188689

>>16188619
GPT-3 simply regurgitates the billions of webpages it was fed during training. To claim that it can write is ridiculous. It's effectively a fancy web search engine, without its (human-generated) dataset it is nothing.

>> No.16188720

>>16188044
When he's entertaining. Otherwise, I'll probably never care about a character.

>> No.16188738

>>16188689
And humans simply regurgitate words it was fed while growing, you don't understand the process.

>> No.16188787

>>16188738
Unlike an algorithm, humans excel in pattern recognizion and can self-actualize to think differently.

>> No.16188842

>>16188787
aww hon, don't you know we're just meat algorithms?

>> No.16188846

>>16188720
What makes a character entertaining?

>> No.16188853

>>16188842
We sure are but complex enough that doesn't allow us to get it (yet). Expecting an algorithm written by a few meats to compete with them outside of very specific tasks, is rather adventurious.

>> No.16188857

>>16188846
They do shit.

Or at least have a stream of jokes and insightful comments about not doing shit, but this is much harder to accomplish.

>> No.16188927

>>16188846
What is entertaining?

>> No.16188930

>>16188927
Why is entertaining?

>> No.16188942

>>16186534
>Paying that much for proofreading
>Paying for editing at all
You should only really be paying for the cover and the marketing, anything else is stupid. But I have to agree with the other anon, self publishing is a terrible idea.

>> No.16188953

>>16188942
Unless you know someone with lots of experience, skipping on editing is insane. You as a write will always have blind spots towards your own work.

Paying for formatting is stupid though. How hard can it be?

>> No.16188959

>>16187207
>12-year-olds
>Young adult
You might need to rethink.

>> No.16189004

>>16188930
Who is entertaining?
<insert rude remark>

>> No.16189356

>craft

>> No.16189402

>>16188953
Unless you know LaTeX you should really consider getting someone who knows what they're doing to do it for you. I've seen so many shitty microsoft word publishings and you can really tell.
Or learn LaTeX. It's not hard.

>> No.16189433

>>16188953
Beta readers are usually free. Or they work on a 'you read mine and I'll read yours' basis. That should be plenty for self published as long as you get more than one person to read it. Certainly not $1000+ on editing, that's ridiculous.

>> No.16189451

>>16188953
>Paying for formatting is stupid though. How hard can it be?

Judging by how hard self-publishers always fuck it up, very

>> No.16189463

>>16187070
Same. Wrote 1300 words yesterday. Feels great actually putting my thoughts to paper.

>> No.16189492

>>16189402
Even with Word it's not too hard to make something presentable once one gets the kinks. Pretty much any semi decent software has previews, so even an absolute retard could trial and error themselves to something decent with a modicum of common sense.

>>16189433
Unless you lucked out with top quality ones, simple beta readers ain't enough. 1k sounds rather excessive too but unless you just publish it for the sake of it and actually going to spend money on marketing, you might as well spend money on making it as read-able as possible.

>>16189451
They fuck up with self-made shit-tier covers and synopsis too. Seems mostly people who really want to publish something very, very badly instead of taking the time to investigate how the market works.

>> No.16189671

>>16188044
One that acts like a human, so they have desires and passions. Things that they really want to do. You can go with what the other anon said and just make them entertaining but I think it's good for your character to have lows and even situations where other characters as well as even the reader have times where they don't like them, even your best friend is gonna piss you off sometimes right?

>> No.16189681

>>16186398
No, that's what makes a good villain, but from your description I'm not entirely sure you're a good enough writer to pull it off, but no harm in trying

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I have a charecter in my mind that I really want a story to revolve around, and there's a ton of different events and lessons I want them to learn, but I feel like it would be really hard to have a big obvious overarching plot. I've decided to go with a sort of anthology where every chapter is another story or location that they visit, that way I can go as long as I want for the story, is this a bad idea?

>> No.16189861

>>16182582
Can you obliterate adverbs, /lit/ ?

>> No.16189918

>>16186336
>I'm going to write and then completely discard in the editing process because it involves preteen nudity and I'm too much of a pussy to include it

There was loads of that in ASOIAF and no one cared.

>> No.16189933

>>16186919
I try and write everyday. But I only have a goal of 100 words per session, but I usually write more. The most important thing is establishing a habit.

>> No.16189945

Two questions.

1. How do you get over the feeling of being afraid to show other people your stuff?
2. Is it even worth trying to get a literary agent and go the traditional publishing route?

>> No.16189978

>>16189945
>How do you get over the feeling of being afraid to show other people your stuff?
Don't be a pussy. This place is anonymous. Or find a loved one that is honest and kind.

> Is it even worth trying to get a literary agent and go the traditional publishing route?
It is difficult but arguably the only real choice. Assuming you want to publish at all.

>> No.16190021

>>16189695
check out a visit from the goon squad, you literally just described that book.

>> No.16190023

>>16189695
>is this a bad idea?

Yes probably. Give them an overarching goal, like guilt or a desire to fix or find something. Then you can have them go on a journey, but its all tied together and justified by the protagonists motivations.

>> No.16190030

>>16189945
>1. How do you get over the feeling of being afraid to show other people your stuff?

Get feedback on small excerpts first, so you can gauge the response before you share something larger.

> Is it even worth trying to get a literary agent and go the traditional publishing route?

If you ever want to make a career in writing you need to do this.

>> No.16190099

>>16188942
It's optional, anon.
If you want to send them a (correctly formatted) .pdf with a cover and your book, thats absolutely possible

>> No.16190212

>>16189945
>1. How do you get over the feeling of being afraid to show other people your stuff?
You just have to do it, and not worry about it. Start with something small, like bang out a poem that is quick for people to read and gauge.
I usually only post poems here because they can fit into an image, but there are some leddit discord writing groups that have a bunch of people who will critique your work for you. They are basically giant hug boxes, so you never have to worry about overtly negative response, just helpful feedback.
>2. Is it even worth trying to get a literary agent and go the traditional publishing route?
It's a good idea to try it both ways, just in case.
Most likely, when submitting directly to the published, you will just get ignored, but there is an extremely small change you won't be ignored, and will've bypassed the literary agents fee.
If you can find a literary agent that isn't 'Marginalised Characters Only', and they accept you, then great. It's a good, and fast way of getting published.
Also, if you do find a literary agent, make sure they aren't the type to change your work. I've ran in to some who wanted whole sections, and ending rewritten just for a potential sequel. Make sure your work is yours.

>> No.16190299

>>16190099
I understand that it's optional. I'm just calling it stupid.

>> No.16190319

>>16189945
>1. How do you get over the feeling of being afraid to show other people your stuff?
I don't. I showed tiny little bits on here and asked some barely literate buddy because I don't give a fuck about his opinion.
Though I don't have too many worries with agents. It's kinda like showing your dick to a random stranger vs a doctor. With the other there is an expectation of professionalism.
>2. Is it even worth trying to get a literary agent and go the traditional publishing route?
The alternative is dealing with a random editor and spending months/years of shilling, ass kissing and shitposting to create an online following.

>>16190212
>and fast way of getting published
Hahaha. No. Getting an agent is 20% of the way at best. They still have to convince an editor at a publisher and then the editor has to convince the publishing house.

>> No.16190347

>>16190319
>and fast way of getting published
I mean a 'faster way' of getting published, compared to just contacting publishers directly.
Fastest way is just throwing your shit up on Amazon KDP and add 'published author' to your resume.

>> No.16191210

>>16188667
You can argue that humans are the same way.

>> No.16191213

>>16189945
I get worried sick if someone review bombs me with a 0.5 rating on Royal Road but I just accept it may or may not happen

>> No.16191240

>>16191213
>Royal Road
Can I post my rape fiction there, or is it just for fantasy LitRPG stories?

>> No.16191275

>>16182582
Noob writer here. I've written something but kinda feel uneasy about it

>> No.16191394

>>16189945
>1. How do you get over the feeling of being afraid to show other people your stuff?
You don't. 99% of (online) critique is worthless because writers don't know what to ask for and critiquers don't know what is actually useful to the writer. The best way to get feedback is to gather a small pool of beta readers representative of the intended audience, have them read the work and mark places they got bored. This at least gives you an idea of where the trouble spots are (by consensus). This is also something for the 3rd or 4th draft. The first couple of drafts should be edited using a checklist of some kind.

>2. Is it even worth trying to get a literary agent and go the traditional publishing route?
If you can get one, yes. If you want to make a full-time living writing, yes. If you want to be part of the "literary scene", yes. But at the end of the day you still have to do almost all of your promotion on your own--at least in the beginning. Once you get a following it gets easier in some ways, harder in others. You should know that very, very few people can cut it as a full-time writer, it takes a certain kind of personality. Self-publishing is vastly superior for hobbyists.

>> No.16191465

>>16191394
>beta readers
I joined a 'read4read' beta reader group once, where you would read someones woke and critique it, and they do the same for you.
I went a bit over-the-top and did of bunch of critiquing, and offered a bunch of suggestions.

All I got back for my work was: 'I liked it'.

Now I mistrust unpaid beta readers.

>> No.16191494

>>16191465
Finding a good writing group can be tough.

>> No.16191515

>>16191465
That's why you give your readers very specific, unambiguous instructions (and also why, at least before you've gathered a following, pay them).

>> No.16191677

>>16191240
You can post what ever genre you want on RRL. Mines Sci-fi and it doesn't have elements of either. Rape will get your fiction though

>> No.16191804

>>16191677
Oops I mean deleted

>> No.16191877

>>16191210
You can argue anything, if you don't care about being wrong. But there you'd prove humanity's special nature again. A machine wouldn't attempt to humiliate itself for no discernible gain.

>> No.16191889

>>16189945
>1. How do you get over the feeling of being afraid to show other people your stuff?
Take the dive.
>2. Is it even worth trying to get a literary agent and go the traditional publishing route?
Yes. Lie and say that you're a tranny or something for big results. When you query, be queery.

>> No.16192021

>>16191889
>When you query, be queery.
Holy kek.

>> No.16192335

>>16190023
Well there is one event that I want to be a sort of climax that forces a big change to the character, but before all that I want to have a bunch of the smaller situations where they get taught different lessons. This is partially an excuse to allow me to talk about philosophical ideas and have characters talk about them.

>> No.16192717

>>16189861
I don't believe in these proscriptions against entire grammatical categories. In fact I'm strongly against it. The claim is that adverbs soften or deplete verbs and dilute the force of what you're writing. But adverbs exist for a reason, and it's idiocy to think that a built in part of the grammar should be banished from all prose. If the adverb changes the sentence such that you cannot convey the intended meaning without it then you should include it. I say this emphatically.

>> No.16192796

>>16187890
I love this new dimension of writer-AI interaction. AI poses an unprecedented set of contingencies and a vast territory of exploration and experimentation. I've thought about working with an AI in a similar way as a kind of automated editor or just as a source to bounce ideas off of. The first hiccup is getting over one's pride and accepting that machines are steadily becoming our peers in terms of natural language processing. AI could democratize and enhance access to editing services and transform how writers grow and iterate their work. (RIP to IRL editors but they were a dying breed even before AI got this advanced.) AI still doesn't know what constitutes "good writing" other than through contrived discriminator rules built into their models that can only account for syntactical inconsistencies. Soon semantic AI may become more powerful. I doubt that semantics is dependent on mysterious properties of consciousness which cannot be reproduced without machine consciousness. That said, you can also fall down a rabbit hole of feeding AI and getting this sort of alienated, decontextualized feedback that may or may not be grounded. To what extent does the significance of a statement depend on its utterer? If a machine spits out a semantically equivalent statement as a human expert with a lifetime of toil and experience about a topic, does it "cut to the chase" and carry the same weight, bypassing all the living, breathing contextual flavoring of a human speaker?

>> No.16193010

Writing a character in a more serious story who's a heroin addict. Currently, I'm trying to write a scene where they're trying to use just a little to keep from dealing with withdrawal, while trying to keep it hidden from others/not get totally strung out. I've been doing some studying and read up on various non-injection methods, but I'm still a bit stumped. Is it a better idea for them to smoke it (mixing in a cigarette), snort it, or take it orally?

I suppose any way is acceptable, but I'm by no means an expert on heroin use. Is mixing with cigarettes or rubbing on the gums/using orally accurate?

>> No.16193108

>>16182582
>been writing for 10 years
>working on (roughly) the same projects for 7
>only have a rough draft for a fantasy one
>barely 45 pages and 7 chapters
>have only story outlines for the others and consistently change them every month
help??? am i braindead? why can i not fuckin write anything??? it can't be writer's block if ive had this problem since i started. how do you niggas write anything without completely scrapping everything you did immediately after you read it for the first time? yesterday, i got 5 pages worth of an opening for my sci fi story, and then erased everything the next morning. how do i get outta this????

>> No.16193154

Are you writing in a horror (or horror adjacent) genre? Do want to join a discord server with others who are doing this?

We also like:
talking about books
talking about horror films
philosophical pessimism

FADE TO BLACK
https://discord.gg/R5WVzH9

>> No.16193208

>>16193010
My brother was addicted to heroin and I’ve been addicted to opioids before. Heroin is a hell of a drug, and the concept you’re describing wouldn’t register to a full-blown addict (and if they’re injecting, then that’s what they are). The only thing that takes precedence over the need to inject heroin is the fear of not being able to do more heroin later, so the only real concern they have is not getting arrested. This concept would probably make more sense if the addict was still in the stage where they think they can control it, which is what those other methods you describe are for. You start by snorting/smoking and work your way up to injecting, but once you’ve injected nothing else really works.

Basically the addict would try to sneak away to inject and then make excuses for his strung-out behavior later (didn’t get much sleep last night, smoked too much weed, I have a hangover, ate something that didn’t agree with me).

>> No.16193309
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16193309

Why is it so hard to construct an appealing fantasy world premise that feels fresh and original?

>> No.16193315

>>16193309
Have you tried Azgaar? You can make some convincing stuff in that

>> No.16193362

>>16193010
>smoke it (mixing in a cigarette),
oh man, you really don't know what you're talking about
Just have him snort small amounts, just enough to not feel bad (it's more than you think).

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>>16193315
Im not just talking about geography, I mean the whole high concept that is behind it (like a witchcraft boarding school in a giant gothic castle where each year you follow the shenanigans of a group of students trying to solve a mistery)

>> No.16193391

>>16193367
Maybe try working backwards?
Create any concept you think is uniquely interesting, and then make in-world justifications later.

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16193534

I want to write a jungle story. Recommend me the best media I should look into for research. Books, films, shows, documentaries... Anything counts.

So far I read
- Heart of Darkness
- Lord of the Flies
- Robinson Crusoe
- Tarzan of the Apes

And I watched
- LOST
- Castaway
- All Indiana Jones films
- All Pirates of the Caribbean films
- All Jurassic Park films
- Apocalypse Now
- Platoon
- Rambo: First Blood
- Jungle Book(Disney)
- Tarzan(Disney)
- King Kong(original and Peter Jackson's)
- Apocalypto
- The Beach
- Predator
- Blue Lagoon

What else is out there worth checking out?

>> No.16193856

/wg/, which one of these provokes a more scandalized reaction as you read it

>two characters are huddling together for warmth. During the night one of them moves, gently waking the other, and then without waking she bites down on his nipple enough to draw blood causing him to scream in pain and wake everyone up
>two characters go swimming together in a pool at night. The guy strips off his shirt and jumps in, only to turn around and see that... well... so did she (no description is given of her body)

>> No.16193943

>>16193534
Cannibal Holocaust

>> No.16193964

>>16193534
Play Uncharted

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16194254

Don't want to post my webnovel every thread since that'll be annoying but i feel it warrants a repost since i posted it at the very end of the last one
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/31062/saga-of-the-cosmic-heroes please be gentle if you give critique or don't.

>> No.16194321

>>16183253
Wordgrinder

>> No.16194491

>>16194254
I read over your chapter 0, and I think you need to proofread. While it's obvious you put it through Grammarly or something similar(thank you for doing that btw, so many people post shit they haven't even spell checked and it's just weak af), you have some errors where you've used the wrong word(started vs startled, rather vs whether). I think you just need to read your chapter out loud to yourself during your editing period to catch most of those. There were also some tense issues here and there, where you slip out of present tense.

In general though, readability was good. You write simply, which I think is quite important if you are courting the RR audience. Low attention spans and lots of ESLs mean you should keep things economical, which you do.

Stylistically though, chapter 0 was awkward with how it had no paragraphs. Every sentence(or two sentences) was separated by a line break. I checked ahead to see if that was a consistent thing, and chapter one had more real paragraphs, though overall I find the writing a bit on the choppy side.

The biggest issue I had though was just that you put in so many stock tropes and played them all super straight, at least over chapter 0 and 1. The phrasing you used and the setup sometimes felt like the generic form of the trope, rather than an expression of it. You can play things straight into conventions(that can be a good thing), but you should, I think, try and dress it up some.

Going back to the example I'm going to pick on, when she stutters out that denial, could you have changed the scene a little so that it didn't feel like the stock trope? Maybe she reacts with something other than anime violence, or maybe she uses different phrasing. You don't have to change the characterization of her there, just avoid the generic for something more individualized to your story.

Overall, it was an easy read, and I think you write with clarity, but the presentation is too by the book. You didn't use the tropes, you used the examples people think of when they think of the tropes, ya know?

>> No.16194512

>>16183253
I've been using Scrivener, very helpful. Only downside is that Grammarly doesn't integrate with it so I have to manually bring over everything to my browser for the mechanical prooffread.

>> No.16194622

>>16194491
Oh, nice inputs. I appreciate it a lot anon you're a saint. Frankly I don't actually dwell too much on tropes at least consciously so I'm surprised by those points honestly.

>> No.16194694

Is there any way to write a transhuman without coming across as petty and foolish? How does one make them still seemingly "human" while making them greater as well?

>> No.16194785

>>16192717
>adverbs exist for a reason,
People having limited vocabulary and brains picking the most easy way. Which is alright for speakers but taking the easy way out as a writer is icky.

There was a fun study about published writers using 25% less adverbs than fan fiction hacks.

https://lithub.com/toni-morrison-is-more-hemingway-than-hemingway-himself/

>>16193108
>working on (roughly) the same projects for 7
>only have a rough draft for a fantasy one
Nothing wrong with that. Learning writing takes a good while for some.
>barely 45 pages and 7 chapters
MOTHERFUCKER. These better be dense fucking pages. What the hell. It's more helpful to talk in wordcounts by the way.
>outlines for the others and consistently change them every month
Why would you change them?
>without completely scrapping everything you did immediately after you read it for the first time?
You separate writing from editing. Don't touch the shit you wrote, no matter how bad you think it is and write forward.
Also don't fucking delete things. Have a file for trash. You need to be able to trace your progress and how exactly things are going. If you write 10 shitty openings, you could compare them and see what sort of mistake you did in #7 vs #3, and eventually avoid making them.

>> No.16194793

>>16193856
>she bites down on his nipple enough to draw blood
Is more noteworthy but the sentence itself is paced so slowly, the other felt more immediate.

>> No.16194993

>>16194694
>Is there any way to write a transhuman without coming across as petty and foolish?
Just to be sure, are we talking about cyborgs or trannies now?

>> No.16195040

>>16194993
>seemingly "human" while making them greater as well
Sounds like trannies.

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>>16195040
based

>> No.16195658

Writing frustrates me because I feel that I would probably prefer making a comic than a book. But with little art skill, writing takes a huge back seat to drawing. I’ve made definite progress with art, but still have a very long way to go, and have barely written at all.

>> No.16195794

>>16195658
Maybe you can try to use one as motivation for the other;
Write x words, then draw/paint the scene
Do x art, then write y words about it, descriptive, the message behind it, how it makes you/what you think others will feel about it.

>> No.16195881

>>16195794
It’s not a bad idea, the first part I’ve thought of and found troublesome. Anything too detailed is beyond my current ability which is an issue. However, perhaps the second is more within my reach to perform.

>> No.16195888

>>16195881
Did you try just tracing shit and then adding your own details?

>> No.16195902

>>16182582
I've never written anything and today I woke up with an idea and just started writing. It feels really good and I have a nice flow.

>> No.16196039

I wonder if it is an issue that all my stories inevitably lead to the characters being sexual degenerates. I never start out with those intentions but at some point it just happens. Would you mind that if you read a book?

>> No.16196047

>>16196039
>sexual degenerates
What does this even mean? Using meme's as a writer should be your bigger worry than the actual content going this.

>> No.16196051

>>16196039
If the book is good, being degenerate will only help it become more popular

>> No.16196060

>>16196047
For example, i started to write a story about a sick boy stuck in his bed. The longer the story progresses, the more questionable his sexuality becomes. First he only peeps on the woman next door, then he‘s interested in his sister‘s friend. Now i‘m at a point where he masturbates to his sister and his mother. Wtf? I do not even set out to write sexual scenes when i begin. It just happens.

>> No.16196062

>>16196051
Nice. I hope you‘re right and my writing is good enough to warrant some degeneracy.

>> No.16196107

>>16196060
>he only peeps on the woman next door,
As long it's not done in an overly creepy and stalk-y way, why not.
>he‘s interested in his sister‘s friend
So?
>he masturbates to his sister and his mother
Well, that escalated quickly. Can't say I'd want to read about that but as long it's actually done well and not just for the sake of it, there will be people who do.
>>16196051
Also this. Would anyone care about Lolita if Dolores was the same age as Humbert?

>> No.16196142

>>16196060
Learn Daz and Ren'py, and make some WEGs.
You would make a fucking killing on patreon/subscriberstar.

>> No.16196146

>>16183107
>I had originally wanted this story to be short. Then the damn world blew up in my head.
I've found an idea expands to 100x it's size upon execution.
It takes a moment to think of something that will fill 5 pages when it's worked on.

>> No.16196149

>>16196107
>Can't say I'd want to read about that but as long it's actually done well and not just for the sake of it, there will be people who do.
I don‘t write it vulgar but just hint at it. And no, it‘s definitely not done only for the sake of it. It‘s just another good way to portray all that is wrong with his character.

Here‘s the sentence in question:
> Now the way mother‘s pants sat between her bony legs or evi‘s bell-bright laugh was enough to warrant a blood migration.

>> No.16196154

>>16196142
>Learn Daz and Ren'py, and make some WEGs.
I did not understand a word but i‘m sure google will help me out.

>> No.16196160

>>16196149
Could actually expand on it. "Blood migration" sounds more autistic than actually fucked up.

>> No.16196165

>>16196160
Yeah, the idea was to make it sound autistic because he is very autistic. Mission accomplished i guess.

>> No.16196182

>>16196107
>Would anyone care about Lolita if Dolores was the same age as Humbert?
Probably not as much, but HH was still a kidnapper, a rapist, a murderer, and a French translator. Paedophile was just one of his many defects.

>>16196154
Daz3D is a 3D model studio, where you can buy nude character models, dress them up and pose them.
Ren'py is a VN creator software, so you take your 3D renders from Daz, put them into Ren'py, and you have yourself a WEG (Western Erotic Game).
Check out the /aco/ thread, or F95zone (site) about them.
Some WEGs make mad fucking dosh on patreon.

>> No.16196184

>>16196160
The next sentence is just as laborious to keep with the mood.
> He groans as his hands obey with conscientiousness.

Is that too autistic? Is there even such a thing?

>> No.16196191

>>16196182
>French translator
>Paedophile was just one of his many defects
That genuinely made me laugh

>> No.16196201

>>16196182
>Some WEGs make mad fucking dosh on patreon.
I‘ll keep that in mind if i ever get in a situation where i want to make money off of people’s horniness. Thanks anon.

>> No.16196229

>wrote something for NaNoWriMo last year
>haven't touched it since then

why am I like this

>> No.16196241

>>16196182
>kidnapper, a rapist, a murderer
Not that uncommon in lit fiction.
>French translator.
Yeah, fair enough. That's some sick shit.
>>16196184
> Is there even such a thing?
As if. And sure, if sounding autistic was the goal, you achieved it. But yeah, gotta lean in into it even stronger to avoid misunderstandings.
>>16196229
Go on and touch it now then.

>> No.16196283

>>16189945
>1. How do you get over the feeling of being afraid to show other people your stuff?
When I studied drawing, the tutor would pin everyone in the classes projects to the wall and we would discuss them. We just had no choice, and it was a beneficial move. It was nerve wracking for a while then we all got over it.
You have to just do it a bunch of times.

>> No.16196289

>writing stuff
>everything is shit
>"why is this also shit"
>hmm... when did i last actually READ something (worth reading)
And that was how I learned that not reading any actual books for at least five years will definitely atrophy your ability to write.

>> No.16196290

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Lhye7SCTVuz34zPd9NHfR4uiiMv5PAAfwR9E8Iv65yc/edit#gid=0

Found it mostly by accident but could be of use for some of you fags too. Basically a query database going across the market and age ranges with hundreds of successful examples. Hell, reading some of the stuff might inspire you structuring your own story too and give ideas about what the publishing industry wants if you have aspirations beyond Amazon.

>> No.16196299

>>16196283
Stuff like that sounds rather stifling. It'd make me more concerned about producing something that will create an easy positive reaction from the audience.

>> No.16196389

>>16196299
You're over thinking it. You want an honest critique. Also you get to notice when someone's just being a faggot or actually making a valid point.
I had a different tutor once suggest I should make a short comic boring so that the ending would seem better, guy was a pure retard.
Also people will really like certain things you took for granted as being simple or uninteresting.

>> No.16196449

>>16192335
You can do that but you need to tie it together somehow. You need your protagonist to have some sort of goal or motivation. Otherwise everything feels empty. You could have them going somewhere or attempting to do something, but then they get sidetracked by something. Side adventures are fine, they just need to have something to be an aside from.

And your climax shouldn't just come out of nowhere, it should somehow tie into to the overall themes of the piece and resolve your protagonists goal/motivation. Either by having his goal achieved, or rendered irrelevant in a satisfying way.

>> No.16196458

>>16193108
You need to focus on actually writing. And to do that you need to accept your drafts aren't perfect. It's better to get something down, and improve it later, than get nothing down for fear of it not being good enough. Write every day, even if its shit and you need to scrap most of it later. Just the act of writing makes you a better writer. You will never improve or achieve anything if you don't actually write.

>> No.16196472

>>16196290
Thanks for this.

>> No.16196502

Amateur songwriter/ producer here, i know enough about music to get a decent chord progression down and melody, but often struggle with lyricism. At best i write dull/ meandering crap or at worst genuinely cringe inducing depressing wank.

I figure this is the best place on 4chan to ask about this kind of stuff, i trry to write every other day so beyond "write more", what steps did you guys take to get more of a sense of control or vision on your writing or just generally improve where you wouldn't mind someone else reading your work.

>> No.16196513

>>16196502
Reading a lot of good books surely helps to get a feeling for it.
What i also see as important is personal maturity. If you‘re still stuck and looking for answers, people often sound generic and cringe. Just a subjective observation.

>> No.16196529

>>16196513
thanks, as simple as it is I've definitely neglected reading beyond other musicians work and you are probably bang on about personal maturity, im definitely at a time in my life where im unsure of a lot of things too.

>> No.16196545

>>16196502
Coming from a metal guy, I feel like the key word for lyrics-writing is intensity. There needs to be strong emotions, even if the emotion is just melancholy or fatigue. I need to *feel* what you're saying. You are taking an abstract and translating it into a concrete form. Specific, powerful language is critical.

>> No.16196550

>>16196529
I‘ve just noticed today how good it is to be able to reference something you‘re unsure about in comparison to a great master. I‘m reading anna karenina rn and was questioning my dialogue approach. That definitely helped me.

For me, good lyrics are able to make one feel seen in one‘s emotions, no matter if they are enjoyable or not. Great lyrics however also hint at a way out if the emotions aren’t pleasant without being preachy and if the person who wrote them is still searching, that won‘t happen. The blind can‘t lead the blind.

>> No.16196556

>>16196545
I‘m seconding this. Really burying yourself in a specific emotion you want to convey is never a bad idea and searching for specific words to get to the core of it is a good way to not make it sound too generic.

>> No.16196637

>>16196545
yeah ive just looked back at some of my work and realized often the lines i dislike the most or feel most uncertain about are literally that, uncertain and again meandering.

>You are taking an abstract and translating it into a concrete form

thanks, you just clearly worded what i kind of already knew but a lot clearer. i think i sort of allow a vagueness in my work because i think it adds an element of a blank space for the audience to fill in but in reality im sure it just feels unfilled. I think the issue i have also is finding an idea worth pursuing with that "intensity" as you say where i dont feel like im pouring emotion into something that isnt i guess conceptually fulfilling to me.

>>16196550
yeah i'll definitely look at some actual literature, i still somewhat read but its often out of having literally nothing else to do as opposed to actively trying to learn something or applying it to my own work. And also im definitely lacking on a story telling front, more often than not my lyrics are random thoughts around a general theme with an occasional reference to a memory.

> Great lyrics however also hint at a way out if the emotions aren’t pleasant without being preachy and if the person who wrote them is still searching, that won‘t happen. The blind can‘t lead the blind.

Goddamn anon, thanks a bunch.

>> No.16196735

>>16195658
>I feel that I would probably prefer making a comic than a book
I started out drawing comics and even got a degree in arts. But finding that it took me a year to illustrate something I could've written in a week, I just gave up. That route is simply a dead end. The result will never look as good as you'd want it to, compared to the very physical effort it takes.

Writing alone may not hold the same appeal as pictures, but at least I can finish what I start in a timely manner.

>> No.16196743

>>16196060
Are you Japanese?

>> No.16196749

I think writing could be a creative outlet for me. But I'm very bad at writing.

>> No.16196769

>>16196502
>At best i write dull/ meandering crap or at worst genuinely cringe inducing depressing wank.

I never pay any attention to lyrics while listening to music. So long as it fits the melody, it doesn't matter what the singer is saying. Most of the time it's some drug-inspired nonsense anyway

>> No.16196778

>>16196743
No. Does that sound like a japanese story to you?

>> No.16196801

So I've got a 55k-ish sci-fi manuscript sitting around. I've edited it a few times, but I'd still like more beta readers before I start the query process. Any takers?

Premise: A cyborg mercenary with a troubled past and miserable present takes on a dubious job in the hopes of turning his fortunes around but as complications start to pile up, he finds himself fighting to free himself of his own dark history.

If you're interested I can e-mail you a copy of the manuscript or send it over discord.

>> No.16196806

How do you all deal with totally opposite reactions to your work? Everything I've ever done has been met with either full-on praise or astonishment at how bad it is. It's always one of the two extremes and I don't know what to make of it.

>> No.16196811

>>16196801
Not a sci-fi fan but if it‘s written well i don‘t mind.
I can‘t guarantee you i‘ll read the whole thing though if it doesn‘t grab my interest.

Exemplaryexaltation@yahoo.com

>> No.16196815

>>16196806
Depends on who said what. If it is your mom who praises it and anons on lit who say kt is shit then it is shit. If it is people who read who say it‘s good but stacy tells you it‘s bad, then it‘s good.

>> No.16196828

>>16196801
55k is on the VERY short side for sci-fi. Also your premise is a great start but could use more specificity to sound more lively.

>> No.16196853

>>16196801
disc?

>> No.16196855

>>16196801
90-100k is what's expected from a sci-fi novel. 55k is too short to be commercially published.

>> No.16196863

>>16196806
Ask for specific feedback. Then you can work on problems, rather than ruminating over it abstractly.

>> No.16196885

>>16196778
yes. very murakami-ish

>> No.16196935

>>16196885
murakamian*

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>>16196801
>with a troubled past and miserable present takes on a dubious job
>as complications start to pile up, he finds himself fighting to free himself of his own dark history.

I know they always put vague as fuck shit on the back cover, but is there seriously a single person on the planet who finds this sort of buzzword killer combo interesting and not just laughably cheesy?

For the love of god, you don't need to spoil the whole book, but use real words in your introduction.

>> No.16196944

>>16194785
I eliminated adverbs from my writing not because i want to be a better writer, but because i'm too lazy to write something with a high word count.

>> No.16196945

>>16196935
murakamesque

>> No.16196964

>>16196944
>reaching greatness by being lazy
That's how it usually works.

>> No.16196965

>>16196945
à la murakami

>> No.16196966

>>16196885
I take that as a compliment.

>> No.16196973

>>16196937
I know. It’s just the worm of commercial marketing fully burrowing into his brain, and you know just from that, it isn’t going to be a good read.

>> No.16196980

>>16196966
I mean, in one of his books the protagonist gets a handjob from his sister (she doesn't know they're related) and he later travels back in time to fuck his mother. So yeah, you're well on the way to becoming an international bestseller pervert.

>> No.16196991

>>16186534
Please, I can edit for way cheaper if you don't mind my entry-level-fresh-out-of-uni ass.

>> No.16196994

>>16196980
>international bestseller pervert.
I would not say no to that

>> No.16197011

>>16183048
We live in the world where drawing dicks is considered a craft too.

>> No.16197027

>>16196806
Honestly, I don't know. I've read things in uni that were dogshit and got praised, while mine got ignored by the entire class. Took the class for the lols.
What I do now is screenshot anon's crits and make the filename the context. Just gather up a big ol ball of opinion until you know your work like strangers know your work. If we do it enough, surely there must be a pattern eventually.

>> No.16197037

>>16196806
You've just summarized genre fiction.

>> No.16197045

Help me out anons.
When i write, the characters and scenes come to life in my imagination and i just pick out what about it to describe as good as i can. Sometimes this makes me wonder if i pick out the right things to make readers see the whole picture too so what i wrote makes sense to them. How do i know that?

>> No.16197062

>>16196991
>if you don't mind my entry-level-fresh-out-of-uni ass
Which is why people pay more for someone who has some industry experience.

>> No.16197066

>>16196828
>>16196937
I mean the premise as-is feels a bit wordy for a single sentence synopsis. Let me try with a bit more detail:

>Flynn Callahan is a disheveled washed-up alcoholic soldier-turned-mercenary with a working prosthetic eye, a cybernetic arm and a bitter outlook on life. All of a sudden, he's given an opportunity to turn everything around with a single job: go to North Africa and retrieve a kidnapped industrial heiress for her father's rival to sell back to him. This is Flynn's big break, but soon enough he finds that the demons of his past are far more dangerous than any pirate.

>>16196973
To be fair I didn't have marketability in mind when I wrote the book. Half the reason I keep things so vague is the fear that getting into actual details would set off a million red flags for agents and publishers. The protagonist was a soldier for a white nationalist rogue state who participated in crimes against humanity while on tour. Afterwards he was outed as being gay by jealous party official and exiled for beating said party official senseless. The protagonist gets his old war buddies to help him with the job, but one of them betrays the team since he finds the mission (stealing a kidnapped white woman for gangsters to use as a bargaining chip) unconscionable. The protagonist eventually teams up with the pirates to take down the traitor and steal the girl. Throughout the novel there's the dual themes of the protagonist's sense of guilt for his past atrocities combined with his unrepentant sadism and bloodlust. By the time he teams up with the pirates he resolves the contradictions by concluding that killing people on behalf of a higher power is bullshit but killing for personal reasons (including profit) is all well and good.

Like if I didn't give a fuck about plot twists or social acceptability my actual pitch would be something like "Gay ex-nazi mercenary goes on an adventure to Africa where he discovers the healing power of nihlism" which honestly sounds much more interesting.

>> No.16197074

>>16196290
Interesting, thank you anon.

>> No.16197103

>>16197062
THEY WERE ALL FUCKING ENTRY LEVEL ONCE.
HOW DO YOU THINK THEY GOT THERE.

>> No.16197109

>>16197103
By working with more experienced and knowledgeable people?

>> No.16197119

>>16197109
BUT THEY DON'T ACCEPT YOU IF YOU HAVE NO EXPERIENCE.
NEVERMIND THE FOUR YEAR DEGREE AND AROUND 80K.

>> No.16197127

>>16197066
>retrieve a kidnapped industrial heiress for her father's rival to sell back to him
So basically reverse kidnapping? The stuff before is still kinda meh (but functional) but from this point on it sounds actually interesting.
>soon enough he finds that the demons of his past are far more dangerous than any pirate
Sadly more generic and vague stuff.

Though still quite the step up. I'm jelly. It took me ages to work my story into a half-way functional premise.

>> No.16197139

>>16197127
It's more like a double kidnapping: he's abducting the girl from the people who abducted her but in the process she gets abducted again, prompting him to team up with the original kidnappers so IDK what to even call that beyond "a clusterfuck".

But I think you have a good point in that a lot of the meat and potatoes of the story are hidden behind spoilers. And I do agree from experience that makes a hard pitch, just like how I failed to sell my family on One Cut of The Dead.

>> No.16197143

>>16197103
No one said it's fair but put yourself into the shoes of the author. Specially a self-publishing fuck who doesn't have the means to pay multiple edits.

Would you rather go cheap with someone inexperienced hoping they are actually great or rather minimize the risk by paying more for someone who definitely knows their shit?

Guess you could always try to gain attention by critiquing a few pages for free to show off your ability. It's the same shit for writers too in the end. Why would a publisher bother with some random if they could have an author with an established platform?

>> No.16197169

>>16197139
Holy kek, that's some based twist. Although I'd hoped they spend more time together but guess it still leaves room for that too. The entire situation has so many conflicts on so many levels, it sounds promising.

And yeah, making a pitch which gives enough to make it sound enticing and unique-enough, and not spoiling too much, and keeping it short is ... challenging.

>> No.16197196

>>16197066
Did you seriously think that omitting shit from the synopsis would somehow "fool" the publisher into giving you a deal without looking any closer? Jesus christ.

Setting that aside, the description doesn't need to include any in-depth themes, messages, or character profiles either.
>"Broken war vet Flynn Callahan wants to get rich quick and takes a job to kidnap a rich heiress in north Africa. When things don't go as planned, Flynn goes through a cynical shift of values."
Something like this tells everything necessary, at least for me. I can find out the rest by reading the book. But you've already told me more than enough to dodge this bullet, and thank you for that.

>> No.16197223

>>16197045
So it's good you have the scene in your head. Read exactly what you have for the first sentence and take it literally. ex.
>Bob collapsed on the couch.
Right here it establishes a character, an object they're on, and that they're probably pretty tired from the word collapsed. But that's all the reader knows.
>The smell of machine oil filled the the room, and Bob wiped the sweat from his face, replacing it with grease.
Know they know that he's working on something mechanical, he's probably been at it for a while.

Basically what I'm trying to get at is the audience only knows what you tell them. The more that you tell them the more they themselves can fill in the blanks, they're not stupid so you don't have to describe everything. But try to read through what you have written and exactly what someone with no idea what's happening would think about.

>> No.16197239

>>16197045
>>16197223
I forgot one part, in your mind let's say your scene is in someone's house. If they're an alcoholic you could describe bottles laying all around a room, but that's simply because characterization requires that. If you have a normal character, and in your mind the table has a snickers bar, some sprite, and a couple magazines, then unless those specific things are important, you can eliminate words and just say "The table was cluttered."

>> No.16197245

>>16197196
>Did you seriously think that omitting shit from the synopsis would somehow "fool" the publisher into giving you a deal without looking any closer?

No, given how any query letter (to an agent, mind you) would include a good deal of the twists in the synopsis. I didn't post the actual synopsis, just the literal first line intro. The idea is to ease the reader into the edgy content rather than directly throw it in their faces.

>> No.16197246

>>16197223
Thanks. I‘ll do that, try to construct an image solely based on what i wrote down instead of going at the scene with my picture already in the head.

>> No.16197253

>>16197239
Yes, only state what has some significance. Got it.

>> No.16197323

>>16196811
.pdf or .doc?

>> No.16197328

>>16197323
Doesn‘t really matter. If i have to chose, pdf.

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>>16197143
I understand. I suppose I'm just a bit of a bitter bitch.
Right now is terrible for the job market and my market being shitty during the good times just makes it all so laughable.

>> No.16197410

>>16197355
Yeah, the attitude is almost given. At least you studied something you was actually passionate about instead of engineer or cs fags who just wanted to get dem STEM bucks.

>> No.16197685

>>16197245
>The idea is to ease the reader into the edgy content rather than directly throw it in their faces.
Well, this tactic runs the very real risk of your reader finding themselves scammed and shit blowing up in your own face. Because nobody sane is going to walk away from that core message as anything other but angry. Being honest, you'll at least reach your intended audience.

>> No.16197731

>>16197323
I haven‘t received anything yet. Have you already sent it?

>> No.16197807

>>16197731
No, got sidetracked with lunch and ordering groceries. Should be sent now, sorry!

>> No.16197813

>>16197807
Np, i just wasn‘t sure if i made a typo in the email.

>> No.16197826

You guys are pretty supportive and helpful compared to other creative generals. Thanks, lads.

>> No.16198028

>>16197685
>Because nobody sane is going to walk away from that core message as anything other but angry.

I'm sorry, could you elaborate?

>> No.16198106

>>16198028
Not that anon but i wouldn‘t believe that.

>> No.16198136

>>16198028

>"his unrepentant sadism and bloodlust"
>the woman in the story is a macguffin passed around for laughs
>"he resolves the contradictions by concluding that killing people on behalf of a higher power is bullshit but killing for personal reasons (including profit) is all well and good"
I'm saying it sounds like something written by a school shooter and that's not exactly trending in today's literary circles.

>> No.16198147

>>16198136
Trust me, there‘s a huge audience that would love nothing more than read a book like that. It‘s just that nobody dares to publish it because muh political correctness.

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16198148

Any books that are told using non-traditional storytelling, books that don’t have clear cut plots and objectives within characters, but rather show characters living their lives? Think slice of life anime’s but in book form.

>> No.16198165

>>16198147
Yes, I have no doubt about that. But it seems anon is determined to get it traditionally published, and I'd recommend him to temper his expectations in that regard.

>> No.16198195

>>16198148
Philip K Dick's The Man In The High Castle would fit that bill more or less.

>> No.16198228

>>16198165
I might have some ideas for him if his book is good. I‘m reading it right now and it‘s pretty entertaining. It‘s sad that publishing has become so censored by politics, almost feels like that time some other guy burned a bunch of books because they did not align with his political compass...

>> No.16198260

>>16198136
That is a good bit of what I'm worried about. However, on the first and third points I soften up a lot with context. One of the protagonist's main problems is that he suffers a great deal of emotional pain from his inability to connect with or adapt to civilian life, which he sees as a mythical ideal unattainable for him. This disconnect drives him to further alienation from mainstream society, a perpetual negative feedback loop. There's also the undercurrent that the protagonist has been socialized into malevolence in order to be an apparatus of violence for the state. Overall I'm going for something closer to First Blood Rambo rather than any of the sequels. The protagonist is not meant to be a cool badass but instead an object of sympathy.

>> No.16198372

>>16198228
>has become so censored by politics
>become
Dude, what?
>>16198260
The difference is, First Blood Rambo was a vet from an unpopular war who didn't get what he got himself into, not downright ex white supremacist. And even that can work but the change and journey of the character doesn't seem significant enough, at least based on pieces here.

The role of the chick doesn't help either.

>> No.16198386

>>16198372
I mean the pirates he teams up with in the end are all black. IDK, this is just one of those things I have to take a chance on.

>> No.16198406

>>16198372
>dude what
Fair point. But still.

>> No.16198414

>>16198260
Remember that Rambo was, above all, societal critique. It highlighted the terrible treatment war veterans got (and still get) after all they sacrificed. It wasn't meant to venerate violence, but disgust you. At the end of the original book, Rambo is shot, redeeming his sins and completing his picture as a tragic hero.

If your protagonist abandons his guilt and finds fulfilment through crime and murder instead, the sympathy is gone, the point is gone. It's just a psycho power fantasy then. Well, as anons have said, those have takers too.

>> No.16198458

>>16198386
Taking a chance is a bit underselling it. Outside of self-published crap, there is probably a market for it in lit fiction as a character study but as a genre work from traditional publishers, there is quite the dissonance between the story and the target audience.

Is there a reason you want to go to such extremes instead of just making him a random merc?

>> No.16198532

>>16198458
Yeah, the whole story doesn't work without the main character being a shitty person. Otherwise it's just kind of a generic action story with no real emotional depth. There has to be a lot of punch to it, some actual flavor.

>> No.16198689

>>16198532
Surely there is some room between shitty and literal white supremacist, which is pretty tonedeaf, and seems unnecessary unless some of your points and themes is about it specifically.

Though hey, Prince of Thorns got away with a 14 year old murderer and rapist, but given how it's all fantasy the stuff is a lot more abstract.

>> No.16198845

>>16198689
I'm aware of that, which is why I start the novel with the protagonist having long since cut ties with his homeland and its ideology. And again, the big crux of the third act is him making friends with sub-saharan african pirates. I feel like he's largely divorced from his past to the point where it wouldn't be overly shocking once said past is really expanded on.

>> No.16198951

>>16198845
>making friends with sub-saharan african pirates
It's not that a big of a deal. Hell, even actual active racists could befriend the people they are supposed to hate according to ideology. Him doing so after leaving the stuff behind makes it even less relevant. It's not like he sacrifices something to save/help some African village trying to counter-act his past actions.

The timing of the reveal and going deeper into his past can definitely help to stomach the stuff for the average reader, but as >>16198414
noted, the way things go and seem to end is bound to cost all sympathy. Making a story work without it and have appeal beyond a psycho fantasy is still possible but good lord, you sure are making things hard for yourself.

>> No.16200466

bunp

>> No.16200589

>>16194785
>learning to write takes a good while for some
i hope, i feel like im in some kinda horrible rut and im shocked when people say they're able to write like 5 pages a damn day
>these better be dense fucking pages
they're not, they're alright i guess but not exactly good enough to warrant how little ive written
>why would you change them?
because being a perfectionist is autistic, i always have to change names, settings, titles, whole fucking plots, and a bunch of inconsequential shit because i never feel like the stuff i have is perfect enough

also, thank you for the recommendation, ill be sure to start saving my drafts, i delete them because no confidence in them LOL

>> No.16201330

/wg/, what's a sfw way to ruin a romantic moment between two teenagers by revealing they have vastly different levels of maturity when it comes to sex stuff?

I want it to something so awkward they won't even look at each other for the rest of the night

>> No.16201482

>>16182582
I would love to share mine stuff but it's in spanish. I'm writting an anti-YA horror story that is a mixture of Lord of the Flies and Children of the Corn, with an added tint of Lovecraftian cosmic philosophy, and maybe a religious sub-plot or something of the sort.

>> No.16201527

I have finally embraced mediocrity and now I'm committing to writing a ~110k word novel for a subreddit dedicated to one guy's autistic worldbuilding project, which I'm serializing on my newly created tumblr account. It helps that I'm a decent writer to begin with so I can just channel Michael Crichton and everybody creams their pants over it, but I'm just kind of surprised standards are so low desu. I just got so sick of the idea of selfpublishing and having to market myself cause none of the story ideas I have are ones that a trad publisher would want to pick up.

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16201680

Is there any kind of resource that lists or analyzes the most recurring character goals? Im talking specifically about the kind of tangible actions the character is working towards, not vague underlying motivations(like character wishes to be happy or character wishes to be respected).
For example, a character is motivated to save his sick sister but his real tangible goal in the story is trying to acquire a special herb(that will cure her).

At the top of my head some of those goals would be
- solve mistery X
- escape from X
- go to place X
- survive situation X
- prevent situation X
- romance person X
- defeat person X
- rescue person X
- escort person X
- find item X
- steal item X
- retrieve item X
- destroy item X
- protect X
- win X
- ascend to status X
Stuff like this...

>> No.16201948

>>16187542
Good lad

Did you get the first one published?

>> No.16202318

>>16201330
Well, i guess that would be for one of them to try to escalate things to something sexual whilst the other wasn‘t ready for that at all. For example an innocent kiss that got derailed by a wandering hand. Or a misplaced comment like „did you bring protection?“ or is that already nsfw?

>> No.16202333

>>16201680
Pretty much boils down to
>Obtain x (includes personal development, romantic interests, broad goals)
>Stop/end x

>> No.16202342

>>16193367
Try to be more honest in your concept. What are you trying to say other than being original?

I took the Eurozone crisis and threw it into a bastardized fantasy Asia because I thought those things were cool. I ended up doing a deep dive into philosophy and perennialism. Speaking of, does anyone have advice for making a more spiritual world? I feel like a lot of fantasy out there has magic and churches but not necessarily spirituality.

>> No.16202367

>>16202342
Maybe by letting your characters experience the spirituality first hand?

>> No.16202671

Could this be done?
>selfharming arrogant whore moves in next to suicidal neet coomer. They help each other restore their dignity and end up loving each other. Note: the coomer starts out thinking he could never love a girl that isn‘t basically a nymphet and the whore starts out thinking she deserves at least some greek god millionaire.

>> No.16202697

>>16201527
You should instead commit to /spoiler/ kys /spoiler/

>> No.16202753

>>16202671
The way you phrase your premise, you're writing a Commedia dell'arte instead of a story about living, breathing human beings. Right now, you've got yourself a standard "opposites attract" story planned out. If you're building on a character-based premise that's already been done before, the way to make your story stand out is by making your characters stand out. Problem is, based on your description (e.g. "coomer", "whore"), you're just playing around with stereotypes like a little girl who makes her plastic dolls kiss.
The most important thing is to flesh out these characters. Establishing motivations and backstories is a big part of this. Why does the male lead only seek out sex? Why's the female lead so stuck-up? What is it about these characters that causes each of them to fall for the other? (A personal preference here: when it comes to making memorable characters, well-written dialogue can be a godsend. Seeing how they interact with one another in normal situations is great for giving the reader a feel for who they are and what their relationship is like.)
Related to this, you have to make your characters sympathetic. Your description of the male lead seems like it could have come straight out of one of those feminist hit-pieces, and your description of the female lead might as well be from an incel rant. In order to allow your readers to sympathize with these characters, once again, you have to give them credible reasons for acting the way they do. Paint them as human beings, even if they're flawed.
Maybe I didn't tell you anything you weren't already planning on doing. But I hope that, at the very least, it gave you an idea of what to focus on when writing.

>> No.16202765

>>16202318
Going from "Did you bring protection?" to "Protect us from what?" and grabbing a sort of weapon thinking they are in danger sounds funny enough.

>> No.16202782

>>16202753
Yes, i was oversimplifying by a lot. In order for this to work and not feel unrealistic i would have to get to the core of those two characters and make them help each other dismantle the pain that led to them being who they are at the beginning of the story, so they can find their own humanity and see the other‘s again.
I actually would want them to feel like straight from an incel and feminist rant to start out. I might not even try to omit those words and let them both wallow in their perceived stereotypes of one another for a while.

>> No.16202786

>>16202671
What does the whore have to gain from the neet unless he suddenly turns out the heir of some millionaire? What dignity do either of them need to restore? The fuckers need therapy.

>> No.16202788

>>16202765
Yeah that could actually work well.

>> No.16202791

>>16202786
>The fuckers need therapy.
Yes, they basically become each other‘s therapy. You could also ask what the neet has to gain from the whore when he rejects all femininity that isn‘t purity incarnated?

>> No.16202794

>>16202786
And no, his financial situation would not change. There would be no „and suddenly, just like that, all their problems vanished and they lived happily ever after“.

>> No.16202827

>>16202786
>The fuckers need therapy
Stop with this meme.

>> No.16202844

>>16202788
Come to think of it, I'd stretch it out. Person A thinks B just made a joke by misunderstanding it, laughs it off, pulls out a condom, B is all confused, thinks it's a balloon and blows it up. THEN A realizes shit is fucked for real.

>>16202791
A cutter and a suicidal fag helping each other sounds less realistic than the whole "plain girl + billionaire" trash flooding the market.

>what the neet has to gain from the whore when he rejects all femininity that isn‘t purity incarnated
Given his position, another person for one. There is a total imbalance when he has most of the issues, the bigger issues and nothing to balance it out. At least give the whore some serious STD's and some violent tendencies to put them closer.

>>16202794
So why would she bother with him? You have two people with issues, one having more and stronger ones, and also less financial independence. It's not like their issues even balance out, like her being suicidal but financially independent but him being mentally fine-o but broke.

>> No.16202872

>>16202844
I‘m pretty sure their issues are on the same level.

>> No.16202881

>>16202872
>self-harm vs actually suicidal
>employed vs neet
It's not even close. One would need to find a new outlet while the other a complete life restart.

>> No.16202916

>>16202881
That is what we know from the start. Self harm is usually a weak mind‘s suicidal tendency and i never said she‘s employed. Maybe she lives off the money from the guys she sleeps with. Maybe she is an actual prostitute.

>> No.16202952

>>16202916
>Self harm is usually a weak mind‘s suicidal tendency
Could be. Could also be a self-hatred thing or coping mechanism. In either scenario it's clearly still a few or a lot steps away from actually being suicidal.
>Maybe she is an actual prostitute.
That's what being a whore implies, yes. Sounds like a job.

>> No.16203483

>>16202765
>>16202318

>"Did you bring protection?"
>"Yeah, sure."
>*starts loading Magnum .44*
>NOPE NOPE NOPE

>> No.16203516

Any good books on writing?

>> No.16203786

>>16202765
>>16202844
The protection thing will only work if there's an age gap. If they're both over the age of 12 then there's no way they wouldn't know what a condom is/what protection means. If they're under the age of 12 then it wouldn't have escalated this far in the first place. It's like none of you remember being young.

>> No.16203833

>>16203786
>If they're both over the age of 12 then there's no way they wouldn't know what a condom is/what protection means.
You seem to overestimate sex ed in less civilized places in the world. One of them could be from a hardcore religious family in some backwards shithole or homeschooled without friends.
>It's like none of you remember being young.
That's the danger of basing stuff too much on your experiences. Just because X and Y were obvious to you and your friends as a kid, doesn't mean it was for other kids who grew up under completely different circumstances.

>> No.16203909

>>16203833
Apologies, I assumed it was a generic western world setting as none of that was mentioned. Only that they are different levels of maturity. In which case, I think you'd want something more subtle than "wuts this, a balloon???"

>> No.16203976

>>16203833
>overestimate sex ed
Or the internet?

>Just because X and Y were obvious to you and your friends as a kid, doesn't mean it was for other kids
Then look around. Kids today (in general) are more sex obsessed than we ever were. They're not retarded. What kid even says protection?

>> No.16204065

>>16183257
Are you that retard that makes star wars novels?

>> No.16204070

>>16203976
>Or the internet?
Assuming they get access to it.
>Then look around.
Suboptimal method to get a picture since you'll only see a subgroup that's more likely to be educated, have parents who allow them to browse the web, don't spy on their online activities and so on.

Sure, generally it's less likely that a random kid would be as clueless but it's still perfectly plausible.

Also I'm not too sure whether the attitudes to sex even changed that much. I grew up in a conservative east Euro shithole and even there 6-7 year old kids were pretty curious about sex. Though I suppose our education was still decent enough so there weren't any big surprises. Some home schooled kid in Murica could probably remain totally clueless through their teens.

>> No.16204147

>>16204070
Plausible but not likely. More info on anon's story is required. But I think the condom/protection jokes will come across as unfunny, juvenile humour unless there's some kind of explanation like the one you provided.

If anon wants it to have more emotional impact he might be better off going for an approach where both are aware of sex.
>Person A is ready to do it and sees sex as an emotional connection
>Person B still sees sex as funny and/or gross and embarrassing

>> No.16204246

>>16183253
Fucking Notepad or Text Document courtesy of Microsoft. You're just procrastinating and doing busy work in order to avoid doing the hard and painful job of just sitting down and writing.

>> No.16204389

>>16198148
Tristram Shandy.

>> No.16204403

>>16201330
If there's an age difference you could just imply one is less physically developed than the other. As long as its not a gratuitous description it would be fine.

>> No.16204409

>>16204403
It‘s pretty normal for girls to be further developed at age 12 than guys.

>> No.16204420

>>16202342
>does anyone have advice for making a more spiritual world?

You could read some actual spiritual/religious texts. Even the Bible is filled with fantastical stories of people directly experiencing spirituality.

>> No.16204442

>>16204409
Not always though, not everyone is the average. There is significant developmental variation at every age. I remember being 12 and having a six foot friend with the beginnings of a mustache, even though most of us were entirely prepubescent.

>> No.16204447

>>16183261
>>16183275
I fucking hate how I can't have a lowercase "i" in word

>> No.16204483

>>16186398
I mean if your intended audience consists of 5-8 year olds, then it *might* be a bit complex

>> No.16204515

If you can’t finish everything you need done in MS Word, I don’t know what to tell you.

>> No.16204527

>>16204515
Why are you using a trip? Is it so people can ignore/filter you more easily?

>> No.16204542

>>16204515
Everyone knows that it's not the skill or imagination that makes a good writer, it's the software used.

>> No.16204839

>>16204515
As if I'd ever pay for a text editor, dumb tripfag

>> No.16204867

>>16204839
>paying for Word
Have zoomers never heard of KMS?

>> No.16204897
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>>16204527
You must be new...

>> No.16204932

>>16204839
/lit/ GAVE me my trip. I didn’t invent it in my own.

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>>16204932
Whatever faggot

>> No.16205140

>>16204897
I didn't think you still had that job. I didn't think you even still care around /lit/. Did you ever finish that space opera?

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>>16205140
Oh it’s been done for awhile. Have 1 of 4 books of a new series done and I’m taking a step away from space opera to write a cyberpunk book that’s not heavily influenced by Neuromancer, blade runner or ghost in the Shell. Im finishing the first chapter as we speak. As for work, no, the pic is just a place holder because people who aren’t new will recognize it. I’m working logistics again.

>> No.16205198

>>16205030
You ARE new. What’s it been? 9 months? A year?

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>>16205140
Shit I forgot to ask. You working/plotting on anything?

>> No.16205658

>>16205192
Publishing anything any time soon? Always wanted to read the space opera one. What's the cyberpunk about? You always had a knack for summarising things in a captivating way.
>logistics
Sounds like a downer.
As for >>16205207 just finished a romance (don't judge me) and started on a fantasy horror. Trying to keep it varied.

>> No.16205877

So is someone going to make the next one or nah?

>> No.16205919

>>16205877
no u

>> No.16205932

>>16205658
Post an excerpt.

>> No.16206077

>>16205658
>>16205658
I’m still shopping things around. The kentucky vampire book is is available in digital and paperback on amazon although I wish I’d traditionally published that one. (Oh well) post a disposable email and I’ll see about sending you something. The cyberpunk story is a bout a young underpaid dude working for an outdated company that leases artificial bodies to be used inside the “recreation center “ they offer. The VA pays for A war vet missing his legs To come down a few days a month and rent a full body to swim and climb, a sick little girl with “butterfly syndrome” gets to a be a normal kid for a few hours tumbling and playing, a cute octagenerian couple comes in two times a month to borrow young bodies to fuck in. The MC is lonely and broke despite the position of running the facility. His only friends are the 7 foot tall Cyborg bodybuilder chick “bubblegum dynamite” who’s only keeping a day job until her probation is over for threatening an official, and the old man who sells him noodles and Kirin. There’s body snatchers everywhere and he lives in a small room of a vaporwave themed hostel in exchange for doing maintenance. The robot who runs the servers in the company is using a building repair service to create a “the back rooms” style atmosphere on the unused upper levels of the building. Somewhere between taking a blow to the head from almost getting body napped, a lack of sleep because he’s selling half his nightly REM’s to make ends meet, being lonely and getting lost in the back rooms, the story should develop a psychedelic PKD-esque “what’s real?” Atmosphere. There’s even random sightings of undead which no one controls but still roam the streets collecting heads for a defunct criminal database.
Those are just the notes but the meat and grit of the story is always in the details; Hologram octopi floating out of reach in the streets, etc.

>> No.16206103

>>16206077
Fuck, it cut out some of the text. The undead are Yakuza. Cybernetic bodies with skulls atop the neck packing railguns and Corp tech