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Why Americans always talk about suburbs like rich people thing? Don't poor peopel live in suburbs in America?

>>16126285
Everything about America is so fucking gross. What a soulless shithole. Fuck you mutts

Its where culture goes to die

How many of you does this describe?

>Grew up riding bicycles/scooters/skateboards in the day time and playing video games at night
>Sometimes kicked a ball around but never better than anyone else
>Antipathy to popular popular culture but affinity with the pop culture of somewhere else brought to you by screen and then the internet
>speak one language well and MAYBE another poorly
>now you match a lot of girls on tinder but the conversations go nowhere
>learning to cook in your early 20s
>start to work out in your early 20s
>working or looking for work in an office
>never been in a fight
>never been starving
>never worked the land or sea

Congratulations you are most millennials of the west

Hmm, let's see

>safe neighbourhoods
>mostly White
>no gang culture
>burglary is rare
>clean; no litter
>relatively quiet
>access to fast internet

Ah yes, that's what's killing my creativity! No, no, I can't just hop on a bike, visit friends, go to an event, and do the exact same things people who live in shitholes do - NOPE, suburbs will literally turn you into a zombie!

>>16126285
eh everyone whines about the suburbs, but once people have money and families, its where they choose to live. no one forces them.
inb4: BUT MY CHILDHOOD WAS SO DRY
wah wah wah
that was because you were boring as fuck. in high school, chad knew the bars that didnt card, drove down to the lake on the weekends, and was nailing cheerleaders two at a time. he got into fights after school. he went to wild parties. he managed all this despite living in the suburbs.
angsty young people like to say, "the suburbs are dead" because its easier than saying, "my life is dead."

>>16126342
I'm this poster >>16126351 and maybe I'm just glamorising a little bit, but I grew up (and still live) in the 'cool' part of town, where all the rich kids from affluent suburbs have come (in South London). I'd give anything to move out to these so call cookie cutter suburb you describe, because it sounds a lot better than the 'cultural' dump that I'm from.

>>16126285
People really don't know what to point their finger at anymore, huh.

I'm a loser from a suburb but i know plenty that lead a fullfilling life (and live in the suburbs ofc). Stop being a sissy and think about where YOU are doing wrong for once.

>>16126285
Only in those lacking in imagination.

>>16126308
American suburbs are where culturally poor people live.

>>16126351
>>16126352
t. soulless bugman

ITT: people defending shitty urban planning

ITT: Americans coping with the fact that being "well off" in America means living in a cattle pen

>>16126318
Please be kind none of us asked to be born here.

ITT: Americans thinking living an atomised box lifestyle is the height of luxury - and that there is no other alternative except being poor

>>16126351
You have a pretty limited knowledge of suburbs, plenty are absolute shit holes, they are no different than cities or neighborhoods, they come in all sorts.

>>16126362
I am from the Sydney suburbs and spent plenty of time in the city around all the “cool” shit too. I know people like you and you know people like me. Our economic backgrounds are probably different but the fact we are having this conversation here is really my point

You and I have more in common with each other than our grandfathers at our age I’d be willing to bet. Suburbs / the modern metro are the skeleton for capitalism to provide for and subsequently normalise the west. Its more efficient for the market and therefor profitable to do so and thats the vehicle we have established as an international order for centuries now. It has gotten exponentially worse since the start of the information age.

Also why don't suburbs in America have any fucking TREES? This is what an affluent suburb in Australia looks like. Notice how it .

Mmmh i love the authentic Italian food at my local olive garden

>>16126451
Cost extra money and many suburbs are developed for the cheapest price possible.

>>16126351
>its killing my creativity
Hahaha

>>16126436
Correct. From the outside they look comfy as fuck though.

>>16126440
Yes, it's true, despite being from a working class background some of my friends went to private schools. Which is why I mentioned transport and internet access: it doesn't seem like it would make much difference these days where you live, when the media you consume and the places you frequent are in no way constrained geographically. There's a lot more freedom and social mobility opportunities despite the frequent complains about unjust hierarchies.

But I think there's a much simpler explanation for these suburban housing projects. Real estate is a very safe investment. With rising populations, lower house manufacturing costs, and loans dished out indiscriminately, pretty much anyone can invest a few millions in some shitty plywood housing complex and make a return. You can even reuse architectural plans and marketing materials.

Do Americans really?

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>>16126285
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhNE5xd_0wE

>>16126555
at least there's grass in this one

>>16126555

I gotta say, reading this thread makes me feel pretty lucky I lived in flats my whole life. These suburbs look soulless. Being in the city is where it's at, if you can't live in the country proper. These suburban blocks look like an unhealthy compromise between the two.

>>16126342
>Grew up riding bicycles/scooters/skateboards in the day time and playing video games at night
>Sometimes kicked a ball around but never better than anyone else
>Antipathy to popular popular culture but affinity with the pop culture of somewhere else brought to you by screen and then the internet
>speak one language well and MAYBE another poorly

Describes me until this point and I grew up in a Detroit-like Rust Belt ghetto. I think it was probably like 20-30% white when I was a kid, it's less than 10% now. We still skateboarded and played games. Probably more because my NES and N64 later got stolen and my neighbors got all their games stolen.

Life in medium sized cities isn't that much different from suburbs.

I have since lived in very rural Iowa and Kentucky for awhile and Manhattan and Brooklyn for three years. If anywhere is a cultural desert it is rural America because there median age is 55+ and all the bright young people leave, leaving alcoholics, drug addicts, and a handful of young people. The culture is super inward and backwards looking, and the older generation spends a huge proportion of their time consuming TV.

I get a feeling there people on /pol/ who idolize rural areas have never lived there.

Now rural areas with outdoor recreation are much better off because they get better jobs and a flow of culture, but this is not most of Applachia or the Midwest.

>>16126351
this post has got to be made by either a bot or a CIA agent following a script because i cant imagine someone with a soul typing this out with a straight face.

Suburbs can be Kino as well

>>16126660
now that is a nice suburb. how comon are these? why do i see americans defending the desert astrotruf hellholes when these exist?

>>16126645
Oh no, this is mainstream /pol/ thought. Particularly recently as the Orange Man began championing himself as a defender of suburbs and zoning laws, and accusing Biden of being "anti-suburb." This is ironic because, aside from stopping high density housing in suburbs (and thus brown people) zoning laws also place insane restrictions on what you can do on your own land. You have to have a certain type of fence. Home gym or MMA area on a garage add on? Nope, you can't build on your own property, we mandate certain amounts of grass between structures. Think growing grass in a desert is dumb? You can't grow native fauna only, that's a code violation.

But this is liberty because it is free from the tyranny of the non-white hordes. You also have to realize that anyone speaking negatively of concepts advanced by the Orange Man, or who points out contradictions the Orange Man makes, is a tranny cuck soi beta simp who is being paid by Soros to slide valuable discussion. There is no other explanation. The mind of the Orange Man is akin to the Gnostics Monad, unknowable, but always an embodiment of pure light and truth. These are the type of people who love suburbs.

The other type are full Evangelicals, and they don't dislike brown people (adopting a black kid is fashionable), they just think faith leads to goodness and that the path to righteousness and righteous children is to exclude all bad things from their community and wrap the social and physical world in metaphorical bubble wrap.

>>16126679
In Finland most suburbs are pretty nice. I think it's because people usually buy the plots of land from the real estate devloper and then build a house there, whereas in the US the suburbs are built as a whole by the real estate corporation, leading to soulless identical houses. It's even worse in third world countries where they really have reached pinnnacle soullesness.

>>16126285
the suburbs are where you go to get away from the degeneracy of cities to raise your families, anon. there's nothing wrong with suburbs. suburbs are /lit/. there is no culture in the cities anymore.

>>16126352
this, the cities are as dead as the suburbs.


can't think of a single "anti-suburb" book either, OP. listen to the suburbs by the arcade fire or something

>>16126759
>the suburbs are where you go to get away from the degeneracy of cities to raise your families
American atomisation be like "lets avoid the problem and cuck ourselves out of community life"

>>16126736
Another American who thinks the world revolves around American politics, and who views everything through the lens of American culture.

>>16126536
Are you still living in the 1980s?

>>16126744
That is a part of the "soulessness" of the modern suburb, that the homes are built by the builder.

In areas where each landowner comissions their own home from different builders you get a really nice heterogeneous effect, making the place much more interesting.

These generally mean areas that are older as well, so you get nice older trees as well

Fellow village-chads, where you at?
I think suburbs would be really aesthetic if they were smaller but the idea of "muh suburb muh kill muh crieitiviti is really fucking retarded", some of the best novels were written by people that lived incredibly boring and uninspiring lives
>>16126804
If you think modern cities provide community life then you're fucked in the head

>>16126812
Gosh, how could he reference America in response to a post about an American intelligence agencies, in a thread full of pictures of American suburbs!

>>16126285
Imagine the superdrug you could get if you siphoned out the piss from the sewers of this place.

>>16126380
So white people?

What did it mean by this?

>>16126285
These days I see more people moaning about 'gentrification' than suburbs.

I just want to remind everyone here that I have been posting since before some of you were even born.

>>16126627
I live in rural area, gotta say I love it. absolutely hate cities and even towns.

>>16127228
fucking hick

im antisocial so i prefer being alone, cities are filthy and loud and dangerous in just about every country in the world, i would hate living in one but i understand if other anons ITT dont feel the same way

>>16126285
Rural areas and cities are nice, suburbs are the hell inbetween.

>>16126351
You know, technically, Compton, Long Beach City, and Vallejo are all suburbs, right?

>>16126342
do you have some burning desire to be special and unique? you need to fuck off to reddit

>>16126308
not in my town. the suburbs are for rich people like cops, doctors, lawyers, and teachers. all the poor fucks live in houses built in the 1940s-50s but they're constantly getting bought up by the kike estate companies that build the burbs. there's more suburbs than classic homes now in my town. white culture is fucking killing us

>>16126804
>implying there's any community in cities anymore
you'd have way more community in the suburbs, bonding with the other families your kids go to school with. personally i fucking hate all forms of community and herd morality though. even living in the city i wish my neighbours would fuck off and leave me the hell alone. fuck community

>>16127739
>rich people ilke cops, teachers
I'm guessing you're not in america?

Sounds like a cope, to me.

>>16127750
based atomizedfag. I like living in the city because I'm not even expected to do the gay ass obligatory small talk with the neighbors that I had to in the suburbs if they caught me coming home from work. Now I don't even make eye contact with the other faggots living on my floor. I couldn't give you the name of anyone else living in this entire building.

Yes, obviously. People are not islands, our mindset is partly determined by our circumstances and if you want to have a creative one you can't live in the least dynamic and interesting place on the planet. You need shit to do, new people to talk to, etc.

This is something everyone who has lived in a lot of different places knows intuitively, the space we live in shapes our behavior.

>>16126285
Yes, duh. It's proven by facts and logic! If you live in a house that looks like another house, then being creative is impossible. Why do you think Shakespeare lived in a house that was shaped like a boot? People who live in lighthouses are the most creative people on the planet, proven by science™.

>>16126285
"anti-suburb" seems like academic ivory tower thinly veiled anti-white bullshit to me.

>>16126351
Man wasn't meant to live like that, you miserable insect

>>16126736
>/pol/ is /ptg/
>/pol/ is one person
The suburb is civilization-rot. The physical manifestation of there being more bodies than souls on the American continent.

>>16127790
good, i hate meeting neighbours, i want nothing to fucking do with them. if i meet neighbours or have anything to do with them i feel like i have to move. i also hate getting involved with any local businesses where i live. i basically just hate everyone and am a miserable fuck who just wants to be alone. but i wish it were easier to get laid in the city i'm in. where are all the single women?

>where creativity goes to die?
if you ever even thought about moving there you never had any creativity in the first place

>>16127935
Yes, but it's no less soul-crushing than living in a city hive or barren exurb. A suburb offers a balance between having to drive an hour to get food and being packed into apartments like bugs.

It is currently impossible to live as man was "meant" to.

Being anti-suburbs is only a tiny step above bugman--tier thinking. You think living in a 'unique' place ascribes some unique quality to the soul that lives inside the place? I'm sure the culture within the suburbs in general is awful, but so is living any other place in general.

>>16128035
I currently live in South Korea and even suburbs are packed with apartments due to high population density. I fucking hate this bug hive.

>>16127935
how was man meant to live?

Anywhere without trees/nature is where man's spirit goes to die. There are unironically more trees in the downtown area of my city than trees in the suburbs. The shittiest and most depressing areas to be in are always barren and devoid of nature.

Ready Heidegger's essay "Building, Dwelling, Thinking" and the Question Concerning Technology as a supplement

>>16128051
are you getting laid though? is it easy to get laid there? that's all that really matters, anon

>>16128360
based

Yes, but this does raise another question: have urban environments over the last thirty years managed develop a culture of any real value?

>>16128351
This is the truth. Cities should be thightly integrated with the surrounding nature, and apartments should avoid being taller than the trees.

>>16126399
Post where the violent black people who ruin your schools and neighborhood are

>>16128388

There are better ways to exclude them.

Why do Euros and other foreigners think that suburbs and cities are the only places in the USA

I wish leftists who hate suburbs actually believed any of this and just avoided them. But that's not what happens. Instead they either want to move there or send their niggers there.

In typical fashion, all you fucking anti suburb retards can't believe what you claim, because if you did every one would be happy. You could live in the city and we could live in suburbs. But because you don't believe your own claims it becomes about "how can we destroy this way of living so no one can have it" or "How can we diversify the suburbs so every one gets the benefits that I claim don't exist"

>>16128455
>leftists and niggers are out to DESTROY me
this is exactly the sort of mindset living in the suburbs breeds. no friends, no social life, no hobbies, just sitting in front of the screen and making yourself scared and bitter of the real world.

>>16128476
I'm not seeing any substantive rebuttal here. Oh well I guess you proved my point

>>16128476
>muh real world
Keep thinking that while being so proud of the fact that your urban community produces and consumes the cultural equivalent of fucking applebees.

>>16126308
Depends. There are rich suburbs and poor suburbs. Generally suburbs were largely funded to help white families move out of cities and self segregate from minorities.

>>16126351
>safe neighborhoods
boring, safes get cracked
>mostly white
mostly wimps got it
>no gang culture
no ethnic culture either lmao
>burglary is rare
ok
>clean; no litter
the streets may not be dirty, but the people are mentally
>relatively quiet
t. ducks when he hears a firework
>access to fast internet
even gangbangers in Chicago have that loser

6/14 bait

>>16128514
>no ethnic culture either lmao
How could I survive with my spicy food?

>>16128514
Ok great don't move there. Our loss, right? Enjoy your niggers

teenagers and young adults hate the suburbs, but once you get past 35, you'll realize why your parents moved there

>>16128482
that would be as effective as offering rebuttals to someone's claim of being gang stalked. just enjoy your life bro

>>16128561
Enjoy living near niggers. You'll show me one day!

>>16128476
>no friends, no social life, no hobbies

you're more likely to be friends with other neighborhood kids in the suburbs because you all go to the same public school, and you grew up together because your parents own their home and aren't constantly switching apartments.

>>16128552
Never really hated that much as a kid

>>16128561
I just want to know, what have America's urban communities produced culturally in recent years that is of any value? I really don't think the urban experience is better than the suburban one; it's just tackier, and managing to become tackier than the suburbs takes a lot of effort.

>>16128561
Wow you sure are mad about how other people live. Not a sign you like your own situation but feel free to never move into the suburbs with me. You "win"

;)

>>16128590
Hating culture and the contexts from which they come is essential to the suburban worldview and identity, so no, I don't think there's anything out there you'd consider "good", everything will probably be too decadent, multicultural and left-wing for your tastes. Feel free to mistake this alienation for high standards if it makes you feel good about yourself.

>>16128800
>it hurt itself in its confusion

>>16126451
Australians need to pay extra attention to pleasing the emus who live there lest they anger them

>>16128800
>everything will probably be too decadent, multicultural and left-wing for your tastes.
My issue is that everything they produce tends to be boilerplate and designed for mass consumption. The decadent and multi-cultural aspects are ultimately superficial. I really can't think of a single thing to come out of these environments with any real artistic merit or value.

>>16126285
there is nothing inherent about a suburb other than that it is sub-urban so surrounding / below an urban environment

>>16128590
The Midwest Emo genre of music

>>16126285
Any cunts from Melbourne here?

>>16126605
Is that the famous time travel pic that someone took when they visited Ancient Greece?

>>16129535
Ops meant to >>16126804

>>16126342

>Implying any of these have anything to do with living in the suburbs.

I grew up in the city and 90% of my peers are exactly this.

>never been in a fight

Go read some more Palahniuk and watch some more Joe Rogan you fucking poser.

>>16126342
Praise God, I moved to Puerto Rico when I was 15, but yet a lot of this still applies to me......FFFFUUUUUU

>>16126627
>super inward and backwards looking
K Y S

>>16127030
You’d be sterilized by the amount of oral contraceptive

>>16127739
>there's more suburbs than classic homes now
That's the point

>>16126451
Kinda glad people in my burb plant trees in their own yards now. Your pic looks nice and comfy. Like enough comfy for me to say hi to my neighbor instead of run inside and avoid them.

>>16129724
All the men are probably on testosterone replacement therapy because Jared in the house at the end of the street keep beating their 50k bike times, so I reckon it'll even out.

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>>16126584
FUCKING STOP, I can't handle these suburbs pics. They make me feel like I am a fucking ant drone or some shit and makes me want to escape to another country.

FUCK THIS VIRUS I CAN'T WAIT TO LEAVE :((((

>>16126451
They do, all over the place. Autists are just obsessed with zoomed in google maps screenshots of ugly developments

>>16126804
>>16126983
>>16127750
I have such a hard time with figuring out which community I could possibly fit in with. Is the concept of a community dead? I am not talking about the omg lets set up play dates for our kids, school shit, and any other shit that revolves around having kids or some other soulless form of a community.

Where on earth would someone who browsers /lit/, /g/, doesn't care about both "normal" men and women, etc fit in? I JUST CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING. Which is why I am going to start traveling full time to other countries and just eat food and see what sticks... :(

>>16129835
also some of those are obviously new developments with little new trees in front, trees take time to grow believe it or not

>>16126627
this nigga kno what he talkin about. Most rural places are absolute boring shitholes. No, I don't mean "u just lack imagination bro" - I mean there is literally nothing there within hours except a walmart. Not even the nature is interesting.

>>16127790
based. That was my fav part of living in NYC. Millions and millions of people, but it was the only place where you could feel like you didn't have to keep up an image. Suburbs? You gotta talk to every twat you make eye contact with so I'd rather just not go outside.

>>16126285
I don't get why people complain about the suburbs
they are quiet cleaner and nicer all around then the downtown but according to popular opinion you can't be creative unless you live in a shit hole

>>16129853
> Where on earth would someone who browsers /lit/, /g/, doesn't care about both "normal" men and women, etc fit in?

any euro city popular with misfits like berlin, barcelona, lisabon, making friends is eazy because everyone is there for the same reason you are

>>16129914
Hm, that sort of makes sense. I'll save this list, thanks. I'm just worried about meeting people there that don't listen to anything you have to say despite you taking the time to listen to them and respond accordingly.

I know I sound like an autist right now, but people all around me tell me stuff like: you would make a great therapist, you're such a good listener etc. But, whenever I talk, the advice/effort someone makes in a conversation is bare minimum / you can detect that they did not spend anytime thinking about what you said.

I just don't want the same thing to happen. I literally broke off my friendship with my "best friend" because of this because it's just this cycle of being abused/used for your thoughts/advice/time since they can't get anyone to give a fuck about what they say like I give a fuck.

Am I making sense? I feel like I am asking for too much sometimes, but I hope I meet some like minded people in Berlin and the other cities you listed.

>>16127047
Anyone that lives more than 3 years in the US becomes culturary poor, no matter what race or culture.

>>16130039
Durrr Durr usa bad. Anyone anywhere can be cultured or uncultured to there choosing fucktard. The internet is the largest wealth of culture in human history

>>16130102
No, you will never understand, you will never be cultured, you already are too contaminated. The best you can hope for is to raise your children outside of the US and hope that they become cultured (very unlikely).

>>16126285
creativity dies when you stop experiencing things.

Your book wont SELL if you are not experiencing the RIGHT things to make it appeals to the mass market.

Your writing probably wont break out if it the topic is around the suburbs b/c critics who are jewish and brown will think it is inherently racist and pan it.

Unless you write like a generational genious, like "see the boy." or some shit like that, things are stacked against you.

>>16128397
segregation?

>>16126405
which one gives me corona b/c I take the bus, subway, tram, taxi, uber, or lift with (((essential))) workers?

>>16126410
no city does better with an industrial zone inside of it, it is only the lack of options in work for the non-american that forces them into "mega-opolis" of their masters.

being jammed into a tin can under or above a delicatessen and breathing in the tannery is the plight of the city dweller.

>>16126451
most ncie suburbs do. they all look alike. that is the point.

Poor suburbs are just that way because the children in the area didn't make it.

>>16126679
HOME OWNERS ASSOCIATION.

Bunch of fucks who mean well and want to keep rusted cars off lawns but end up making all the houses look like the same kind of mediocre slop.

Keeps value up tho, but makes things unable to be 'beautiful'

>>16126342
Imagine not growing up wealthy and rural. The true patrician combo

>>16129971
no, you are just dealing with the reality that people honestly do not care about one another.

Your reading list has to include "in search of lost time' it just has too.

https://uberty.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Proust-1.pdf

https://www.audible.com/pd/In-Search-of-Lost-Time-Dramatized-Audiobook/B002V0PNFE?source_code=GPAGBSH0508140001&ipRedirectOverride=true&ds_rl=1257028&ds_rl=1260658&ds_rl=1262685&gclid=Cj0KCQjw7Nj5BRCZARIsABwxDKIshfCaOHkLc6FaHJAaPBDncb28rd5GwjcPpEDnNdREHuKY57pfFroaAgNAEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

do either of those. It is very helpful to understand how people are on their own.

You are probably smart and want to be included so you are trying to show your worth, but no one really cares about that.

Sad, but no one cares about anyone's worth intellectually, rather people care about your ability to be 'well maintained'.

can you share without overwhelming people, can you teach without condescending, can you be without getting nervous, can you care and not care about people.

everyone is so scared about hurting each other, and being dropped after interacting they just prefer not too, in a certain iq bracket.

don't worry about that shit and just read and talk to people and ask them what they think first.

You will find a small pool of people who will be excited to tell you in detail what they think AND will listen to your informed reply

From that group you will make an even smaller group of people who you actually want to be around because they are kind to you and don't smell.

and from that group you might make 1 or 2 friends.

and that is kind of it. huge communities of scholars only exist for company stuff, or 'organizations' that meet for drinks and then buzz off into smaller groups.

only dairying at you cause you seemed to actually be writing.

>>16130294
>no, you are just dealing with the reality that people honestly do not care about one another.
I know this deep inside - like skipping to the end of a novel before you even read it. But, my mind simply does not want to accept it and keep reading, hoping it will change.
> In Search of Lost Time
I just looked up an excerpt and I thought the observations were interesting. I think I will give the books a go - at least, the first one. Thank you.
>want to be included so you are trying to show your worth, but no one really cares about that.
Half of me doesn't care if I am included in anything and actively avoids it but the other half strives for it in someway - often through acting fantasy scenarios in my head. I don't know how to explain this, if I feel lonely, I can conjure up people and scenes in my head and have people act exactly like they do in real life and suddenly, I have no desire for social contact because I already fulfilled that obligation to myself my scenarios. Unhealthy? Probably.
>can you share without overwhelming people
Yes. Though, I think I share even less now. Lots of the issues in my life, I have given lots of thought to and consider them solved in one way or another despite things still going on. But, because of the compartmentalization (and the lack of good listeners), I do not feel a need to talk about my problems anymore. If you meant sharing knowledge instead, then that is a yes too. Though, I get quite excited explaining stuff.
>can you teach without condescending
Yes! I used to teach in college as an assistant and it really made me much more humble about the teaching process. Like, I thought I had come up with the most simplest, most perfect explanation to something and yet there were students who could not understand. So, I slowly learned to think of multiple ways to explain things, and make them interactive (posing learning as questions, and other techniques).

>>16130294
>>16130897
>can you be without getting nervous
This is a hard one for me. When I walk outside my home during the start of the day, I can hardly walk straight and my mind is consumed with nervousness. But, after a long day, I can strut down the sidewalks of the greatest and feel like I am the greatest that has strutted there. Odd thing is, I am terrible at eye contact and the like. But, when I am traveling around the world, I transform into another person entirely. My anxiousness is completely gone and I feel like I can talk to anyone and am open to so many things. Once, I toured Iceland with a friend of mine and stopped the car to pick up a hitchhiker. My friend damn near lost his mind thinking I was crazy though he claims he is the adventurous type. Yea, I'd never pick up anyone back in the states, but why am I open to it in another country? I don't know, but traveling makes me feel like I am my better self whenever I do it. Which is why I am learning towards doing long term traveling after COVID is over.
>can you care and not care about people.
Yes and yes though the later was hard as hell to stop doing. Things like saying no to someone's request would make me feel guilty, doing small (but many) tasks for people but never asking anyone for help because I'd rather be self-reliant. From a pessiemistic point of view, I was collecting "favours" without ever using a single one.
>everyone is so scared about hurting each other, and being dropped after interacting they just prefer not too, in a certain iq bracket.
I dislike this so much. People who don't think say the most hurtful things in the most casual way possible. I guess it reveals, to you, their true nature. Though, I hate to abandon someone like that. One example was a small gathering at a friends new place. I had not seen their house entirely and she wanted to give me a tour. I knew that there were more guests coming, so I told her it's okay, I will tour with her when more people come in order to save her time (but I did not explain this). My best friend tells me, "go and take the tour man, you need the exercise anyway". He made similar remarks later in the night. He used to be quite obese growing up and people would pick on him on all the time, but I never in my entire life, had ever made fun of his weight. Not once. I don't know, I wanted to call him out on it. But, I figured, what's the point? He revealed himself to me. Despite the respect I have shown him for the entirety of our friendship and helping him when he is most vunerable, he disrespects me. That was sort of the final straw of many other things that happened before and I let him go emotionally and stopped caring.
>don't worry about that shit and just read and talk to people and ask them what they think first.
You're right. I will.

>>16130294
>>16130897
>>16130906
>You will find a small pool of people who will be excited to tell you in detail what they think AND will listen to your informed reply
I just realized the only things everyone in our friend group is always excited to talk about is their job and things that happened at work. And how I'd just zone out from the conversation completely because I feel dead after listening to the same thing every time we meet up. I look forward to having a conversation with people just to talk about ideas/ cooperately debating.
>From that group you will make an even smaller group of people who you actually want to be around because they are kind to you and don't smell. and from that group you might make 1 or 2 friends. and that is kind of it. huge communities of scholars only exist for company stuff, or 'organizations' that meet for drinks and then buzz off into smaller groups.
You make it sound so nice and so straightforward that I feel relatively optimistic now.
>only dairying at you cause you seemed to actually be writing.
I know I have been a bit selfish in this response, but thank you. I appreciate it a lot. I look forward to reading `In Search of Lost Time` and meeting new people. :)

suburbs are cozy , have sex

>creativity only come from suffering.
kys

>>16126285
>no yard
>no privacy
>no forest/land
>no walkability
>nothing around
>not fun, beautiful, or convenient

they're consooming boxes to hoard a bunch of consoomer goods in. nothing more.

>>16126451
are you retarded?

>>16131026
>no yard
>no forest/land
No, being in a suburb with a big yard makes it worse because then you have to spend half your time off maintaining it and making it look pretty.

>>16126342
grew up in a suburb
>Grew up riding bicycles/scooters/skateboards in the day time and playing video games at night
yes
>Sometimes kicked a ball around but never better than anyone else
no, didn't kick a ball around I did other sports and was MUCH better than other people
>Antipathy to popular popular culture but affinity with the pop culture of somewhere else brought to you by screen and then the internet
yes I watch anime
>speak one language well and MAYBE another poorly
no, I speak 3 languages well
>now you match a lot of girls on tinder but the conversations go nowhere
no, dont have tinder
>learning to cook in your early 20s
no, mom taught me to cook
>start to work out in your early 20s
no, trained every day since I was a kid
>working or looking for work in an office
sure
>never been in a fight
no
>never been starving
lol sure
>never worked the land or sea
have you done this, faggot?

anyways you sound like you have lived a mediocre life and expect everybody else to have lived like you

>>16131026
>no yard
>no privacy
>no nature

Have you ever been to the suburbs?

>>16128514
>gang culture is ethnic culture
WDHMBT

>>16127662
Well Compton definitely has a culture so what the fuck are you talking about.

>>16126285
>UGH, FUCKING BUGMAN! NO SOVL!
>HOW DARE PEOPLE NOT WANT TO LIVE IN INNER CITY GHETTOS!

>>16126351
They are far deader than they were in the 1970's because there are very few mothers at home in those suburbs... and you can't just hop a bus and visit a safe city.

>>16126555
Spengler talks about the chessboard grid pattern being common in areas like Babylon or any location that belongs to (Post-Cultural) Late Civilization

>>16126285
Dirty shitholes where nobody is creative are "cultural"! No not white dirty shitholes those are obviously dumbass hicks, but urban areas where brown people sit around doing nothing all day? Now that's culturally advanced...

>>16129853
i don't fucking know man, i wish i could find an art scene that wasn't toxic PC bullshit where i could play music and make films and feel inspired enough to write novels about. maybe tokyo? who knows. i really want to travel too. find where i belong

>>16126584
A big ol American car, a big ol American breakfast, a big ol American house... a place to play baseball and have plenty of sex. What else do ya need?

>>16126351
>CONSUMERISM GOOD

>>16129202
ye buddy, I live in a nice inner city spot close to some greenery. Shit's cash. I live off the constant whinging from the citylets from other states.

>>16126351
>shitholes
Why does every single autistic /pol/tard use this word?

>>16126285
/lit/ really loves to come up with absurd reasons for not having enough creativity to write anything decent. I assure you that living in a middle-class neighborhood isn't what's holding you back from being published

>>16126440
Meet me in Oatley nigger

>>16131957
based Perennialist

almost all people live in suburbs in my country. apartments are richoid things. they started building detached townhouses mixed in with full houses these days because far too much immigration for housing. land plots are smaller. they're the same layout as suburbs, as i said mixed in, though it is funny to see shithole suburbs with large land plots and a newly built immigrant richoid one with tiny plots.

>>16132211
Poo colored skin of the residents of said hovels.

>>16126399
>>16126405
thanks for posting these images, checking out the book. looks very cool. its on libgen for anyone else intrsted; "The Architecture of Community" By Leon Krier.

>>16126342
F-fuck you, I'm still a cool guy anon, you don't know me, technically I don't work in an office 100% of the time

>>16132215
Fucking this

There is nothing in the cities any longer. They are just congregations of degeneracy and crime. There is no community, little culture, and very little benefit to living there. In a suburb at least you don't have to worry about nogs, can keep to yourself and not be bothered, and you can maybe make friends with a neighbor. Rural life is ideal of course, but it's extraordinarily hard to find friends or a wife if you live in the middle of nowhere, so if you don't want to be a hermit you must first find your wife and only then move away from civilization.

>>16126318
I could not agree more. Dostoevsky was right when he said Americans don't have souls. The collective conscious of the American people is manufactured by propaganda with no individuality. Everyday pseudo issues are brought up to distract and dazzle, and everything built is done to be marketed at minimum cost. Beauty is a foreign concept, and mediocrity is the standard. Whenever I browse the news it's always about niggers or fags with articles either praising new era degeneracy as the norm or shaming people for once having said something mildly critical 20 years ago. Hell, even of you don't show your undying love for sin or aren't sinful enough you are still shamed. Hell is too merciful for this land.

Hilarious seeing the knee jerk reaction to criticism of suburbs being paranoid racism. It betrays the underlying ideology of the suburbanite, he needs his safe domicile from which he can order products and get drunk at chili's. Everything is secondary to dopamine and creature comforts.

>>16133383
I just don't think it's very substantial. I don't think urban existence provides a lifestyle all that different. The only real exceptions I can see is a little bit of superficial "flava"sprinkled on top of the cultural engagements and a lot more undeserved pride.

>>16132215
hehehehe, nailed it

>>16133401
I grew up in a suburb and spent the last few years living in a(n admittedly pretty shit-tier) city, and the main differences for me are the architecture and transportation. My city's architecture is ugly crap, but its suburbs are so uninaginably worse. Literally every single building is a plywood McMansion or a stucco strip mall and both like they're designed to last about five years before crumbling into dust. At least in the city they can remain standing long enough to age with dignity. Overreliance on cars also means you get to sit through twenty minutes of red lights and traffic to get to the nearest commercial zone every time you want to do anything, I'd much rather walk for the same period or even longer in a city if it means no goddamn cars and parking lots. If my city was less dependent on suburban sprawl it would even have functioning public transit, which would be awesome.

>>16126318
This is true. Were we to be rescued we'd express our inborn priors into our savior nation until we have recreated the despicable devourer of humanity from which we were rescued. We should be drowned like rats.

>>16126285
It's a form of reprieve in a non-society. When the suburbs went up it was because America as a society had already imploded. The animated corpse is coming for the still-living nations.

>>16126342
That's very vague and could apply to just about anyone.

>>16126744
sweden here where we have presumably similar suburbs
>usually no huge sprawl
>houses are unique
>plots are filled with nature
>layout is random and unpredictable
>usually pretty close to stores and football fields and such
>usually pretty close to non-suburb locations
makes it much comfier than whatever seems to be happening in america