/lit/ - Literature

first for zyzz

>>16124138
I just finished reading Fellowship of The Ring.

What the fuck is Sam's problem?

>>16124149
Wow anon *unzips your pants* that’s a pretty cool story *pulls out your cock* in fact you’re a pretty cool guy *starts sucking your cock* in fact you’re the coolest *starts sucking more aggressively* yep, the coolest guy around *starts sucking a little too aggressively* there’s just one thing *bites down* I’m a little fucking insane *sinks teeth until they’re almost touching* in fact I’m a lot insane *yanks head back and rips your cock off* I think you’re a little too cool *spits your cock at you* too cool for your own good *pushes you over* time to take you down a notch *squats bare assed over your head* this is gonna hurt me more than it hurts you *buries your face in my ass hole* this is only because I love you *suffocates you with vinegary diarrhea*

>>16124155
Based

>>16124017
>God I fucking hate dune so much bros
imagine hating best mom Jessica

>>16124182
Did Jessica really have big ol milkers like those in the book, cause I read the first 120 pages and don’t remember any big ol milkers

S&S is fuckin' brutal, bros.

>>16124196
No, she's petite

Generally, is Fantasy better told in short stories or as novels?

>>16124223
Poetry.

>>16124223
Depends on the particular brand of fantasy. Sword & Sorcery is generally better in shorter stories for example.

>tfw got memed into reading past the first book of Dune

>>16124301
You're welcome. Messiah and Children are cool as fuck.

>>16124182
Hey, I've played that hentai game!

What are some books that do something interesting with elves outside of the standard "old angelic beings" or "fit hippies"

Any good book of fantasy in a modern setting? I'm tired of the medieval times and the fucking misogyny

>>16124509
No.

>tfw combat autistic sobornost gogols qupt past your gevulot to 'blink meme zombies into your exomemory
Why even live?

>>16124503
The Broken Sword by Poul Anderson

>>16124503
Memory, Sorrow and Thorn

Why is Hyperion so bad except the Priests story ?

>tfw you'd rather read short stories these days than full length novels
Even the novels I want to read I can't get motivated to read them. So much more satisfying reading a short story; if it's bad then you've only wasted a very small amount of your time and can quickly move on to other short stories.

>>16124659
Brawne Lamia's and Sol's story were great. Kassad's was rad.
Consul's was a big piece of shit. Martin's was meh.

FUCK E WILLIAM BROWN

>>16124138
Just finished revelation space. I liked it. How do the other two books compare?

>>16124301
If it was from this general then I also told you to stop at book one. You fags just like being contrary. Imagine listening to someone telling you it gets better in book 8, and you actually reading 6 more mediocre books after a so-so first book, to reach the hallowed eight.
You only have yourself to blame.

>>16124862
No I just googled when I was after book 1 and all the results were reddit saying to keep reading. I learnt a lesson there pretty hardcore, especially when I did the same thing after Way of Kings.

>>16124868
>and all the results were reddit saying to keep reading
Misery loves company.

>he dropped Dune

>>16124804
Oh yeah I liked the Benjamin Button type story too, I forgot about that. Kassad's sucked though, so did the detectives that shit suuuucked.

>>16124914
>He read dune to completion.

>>16124918
The ending to Kassad's was the best part. The middle did get a little boring.
The detective story had great atmosphere. I guess I really dig romantic cybernoir stories.

>>16124208
What’s this from Anon

>>16124855
The other books are far better, I didn't like the local politics of the first book. The Inhibitors become major players.

>>16125073
Just some art from based Brocal. Might be from a comic he did; I have no idea. But it's S&S as fuck.

Remember to read Mask of the Sorcerer, bros. Even Wolfe praised it.

>>16124503
The second apocalypse

>>16125109
Even his reviews have better prose than most sff novels.

/sffg/, it feels like i'm never going to finish this novel, and even if I do it will take years to edit and even more years before I have a sequel ready

>>16125133
It doesn't come across as forced either. My nigga Wolfe was a true master.

>>16125224
Put the sequel in the first novel, I just saved you years of effort.

>>16125133
dude could write a shopping list worthier than anything published in the last five years

>>16125133
I dont know, it seems overwrought

Just bought this.
What am I in for?

Need books with blue mages. I really enjoyed blue mage raised by dragons and want something similar.

>>16125388
Mass Effect

>>16125459
Is that a good thing? I don't play video games.

>>16124982
his prose is just so poor, and I hated the detective character, it is what it is

>>16125109
You make it sound like a meme and the Wolfe's sign of approval is pretty damn enticing.
Sell it a bit more, please.

I am once again here to shill Gods of Blood and Powder the Chathrand Voyage and How to Seduce and Emperor and Get Away With It.

>>16125264
Your chromosomes are overwrought.

>>16125518
How do I make it sound like a meme? I've been pimping this book here for months after I first read it because I know a lot of anons would dig it if they actually read it. It's dark with plenty of horror imagery without being nihilistic or super edgy like your average grimderp novel. It's told in first person, but that's actually to the story and character's advantage because a lot of it takes place inside the MC's mind. It doesn't fit cleanly into any specific fantasy category like S&S or Epic Fantasy. It manages to tell its story in one single book and not a dozen of them and the book itself isn't even that long. It's great and I will definitely be re-reading it in the near future.

>>16125593
Also the setting is quite similar to Stygia; the fantasy version of Egypt in Conan's world. So it's a bonus for not being yet another yuropeon setting.

>>16125593
You keep spamming it but I don't recall any descriptions, so thanks for that. I was memed into reading two other "weird" books perhaps similar to it in a similar fashion. I'll add it to the backlog.
>It's told in first person
>advantage
Don't worry. Only faggots and pseuds complain about an author's choice of narrator's perspective. They nonchalantly spew shit like "too much telling and not enough showing", so fuck their illiterate opinions.

>>16125388
Based Heinlein trolling the libs and right-wingers

More classic-style fantasy with great old timey prose like LotR and Narnia? BotNS is the closest I've tried so far.

>>16125755
Lyonesse

>>16124208
That's basically the same premise as Wilde's Salome

>>16124924
There is no shame in reading any Dune that was written by Frank.
It may not be to your liking but the series is quality and holds up for a reason.

That said if you read any Dune book by an author not named Frank you are a complete sucker.

I am like a little baby. I've only read Ender's Game, the one with Bean, and Xenocide, though I regret that one, what with the ugly pig tree things.

What should I read? WILL jump in. No harm, no foul.
>>16125388
Is that the one where humans can teleport between matter but he gets stuck on the moon and a ship ignores him so he goes batshit? I've had that on my mind...

>>16125910
Neuromancer

>>16125910
You read Enders Game and Xenocide but not Speaker of the Dead?
How the hell did you understand anything in Xeno?

If you like sci-fi I would recommend Asimov's "The Go's Themselves"
If you enjoyed Ender I would recommend "The Worthing Saga" by Card. Also the Bean sequels might be more up your alley than the Ender ones... a lot more realistic and grounded than the weirdness of Xenocide.

If you want something more modern I would check out "The Three Body Problem"

What would Tolkien think of Dungeons and Dragons and its influence on modern fantasy?

>>16124182
>Vance book
very based

>>16125938
Oh yeah. Was Speaker before xenocide? Maybe I was combining the 2 in my head.
All I remember from those books were Ender is old. He has a nasty old hispanic wife that he complains to the internet's manifestation about and there are these ugly pig tree things and there's something with their sperm.
Overall a bunch of ugly creatures makes for an unpleasant read. If they replaced Don Juan with a human sized piece of feces, I wouldn't be interested, and nor would the rest of mankind. And rightly so. And for a completely different reason than the premise of Cyrano de Bergerac.

No matter the case, I never made it to Children of Whatever.

>>16125547
kek

>>16125755
Dunsany

>>16124109
>there’s supposed to be more after aspect?
Yeah, two books at least apparently. Takes off shortly after The Unholy Consult, but as far as I know there hasn't been any news on it in a while.

Where da Heretics chads at?

>>16124655
loved these books, josua lackhand was my favorite character

If a series has more than four books then I'd rather just listen to the audibooks.

>>16126421
Every fantasy book being strechted out into a series is proof that it's not a real literary genre but only a way to make money. True fantasy authors like Mieville only release stand alone books.

>>16126370
Currently reading it.
I'd say it's slightly below Messiah, I'm genuinely surprised how good it's been.
Chun-Li nuns are my fetish now.

>>16126466
Heretics only gets better as it goes. Spoiler ahead

But the part where Teg awakens his powers is honestly some of the best "power ups" I've even read

>>16124138
I like Botns and I also like Wandering Inn.

It's a blessing to have taste this good. How do you smooth brains live with your inferior shit taste?

>>16126644
>why yes, I have no taste whatsoever, how could you tell

>>16126656
Honestly, everything I like is fucking fantastic! I've never liked a book that was bad. Can you shit stains even comprehend this super power?

scifi paradoxes. can somebody point me to books, where the author is running into the usual paradoxes (grandfather paradox, the farnsworth parabox) and is clearing these in some elegant or creative way? thank you

Why does literally every book cover suck ass?

>>16126785
Because you're a dinosaur and you're looking for nostalgia in book covers, not realizing that the old shit covers that didn't even match what was in the books are no more.

>>16127031
>Zoomer-speak
Discarded.

>>16126785
Because chances are the painter does not share the same mental image as the reader/author.
The only "accurate" cover I'd say that exists is the French version of the original Dune where it's a hill of sand and a near-Arabian face with blue-within-blue eyes.

This is rotten.

Is Terry Goodkind really as big a meme author as people claim, or are his books actually well written?

Daniel Greene absolutely tore him a new one on his channel.

>>16127775
The first couple of sword of truth books are kind of decent, but he completely earns his meme status in the later one. It's straight up soapboxing 50% of the time and the rest is just his BDSM fantasies.

>>16125981
He would bitch about the elves being manlets and the lack of raping satyrs.

>>16127775
It's true. If a girl is incredibly turned on she would even fuck an uggo, if she thought no one would find out.

>>16124503
/fit/ elves are best elves

>sent out a copy to someone for review
>they didn't even finish it

Feels kinda shitty desu. Can't blame the reviewer, just a sign that my book isn't the good work I thought it was.

>have a reasonable successful book blog
>1000 hits a month
>starving author tried to give me a free copy of his book because I read one of his books and felt guilty and gave it a positive review
>thinks I would subject myself to his trash writing again
>send him an 8 paragraph reply that basically amounts to "no"
feels good.

>>16128367
Man this made me feel really shitty to read.

>>16128403
Steve M?.....

>>16124223
speed metal ballads are the superior fantasy format

Just finished Demon in White. Honestly I’m impressed that he managed to improve the story and world. The ceilsun are more fleshed out, the reveal of the watchers and melodrama got me on the edge of my seat at times.

Anyone got recommendations on space operas or fantasy operas? I love it.

What's up with women and urban fantasy?

>>16128789
both are shit lmao

>>16128823
based post

>>16128776
Who the fuck is this author and why is he shilled so much?
Are you a paid shill by the publishers? Getting a a monthly stipend to go to blog sites and talk positively about this shit?

I just watched Eternal Sunshine of The Spotless Mind and Being John Malkovich back to back.

Any books here that could remedy my mind?

>>16128292
Why not check places where you can get actual feedback?

>>16128982
>HOW DARE YOU TALK ABOUT WRITERS AND BOOKS THAT AREN'T ALREADY TALKED ABOUT AD NAUSEAM

>>16128776
The Last Ancestor

Yo just your daily reminder that Tolkien really called the Sheriffs of the shire "Shirriffs" lmao.

>>16125109
>to warm my hands at the embers that flicker and fade by the hour
there, fixed the rythm

>>16129267
Damn, Tolkien finally exposed as a hack

>>16129267

"Shirriff", "shreeve" are alternate archaic forms of sheriff which is a contraction of "shire reeve", a "reeve" being roughly equivalent to a "magistrate"

>>16125593
Don't force it, if you force it will not end well.

Finally started Fall of Hyperion. Is Keats really the fucking jesus savior of mankind incarnate????????
Why is the author so obsessed with Keats?

>100 pages into book of the new sun
is it normal that I can't manage to conceptualize anything? characters, outfits, places, ambient... it's all so nondescript, my mind tries to paint a picture to no avail, feel free to call me low iq

>>16129637
you have aphantasia

>>16125995
Id highly recommended rereading it, and Then getting all the way to Children of The Mind.
But I totally feel you it’s jarring as hell going from bad ass young stud ender taking niggas out and wiping out faggot alien races, to go to old cuck man with Maria the maid as a wife and an internet Gf,,,, however, and i read it back when I was 18, and even then I was like yeah this is pretty bad ass.. as it progresses you’re like aw yeah aw yeah whaaaat? Aw yehavno way holy crap! Asians!!? What? ? Oh we so smaht we asian pepo oh we know math good we have adhd tho so we stupi! But it’s cool and We have white boys getting some (spoilers!!!!!) tight young asian cunny!!! Whaaat?

In all seriousness tho, Xenocide features of one of my favorite books scenes of all time, not even joking. (The priest and War Maker scene)

>>16129425
Nvm, Tolkien is no longer a hack

i'm about to finish memory sorrow and thorn soon, and i was thinking about reading the gormenghast trilogy afterwards.. is it any good?

>>16129637
That was normal for me. Eventually you'll be able to paint a picture. Just pay attention and slowly fit pieces together.

>>16129425
I'm aware of that

Doesn't change the fact it sounds RETARDED

>>16130001
I don't remember that one. I do remember the asians being injected with pure weaponized grade autism though.

>>16130074
This

>>16124211
/video/search?search=petite+big+tits

>>16129637
Wolfe performs a sleight of hand withholding some details, but it's not normal, I filled in the spaces at once. Not at page 100 or so, where Nessus has been already explored to some extent and you should have an idea of what the streets looked like (huge, margins of the city where thousands of houses remain uninhabited, dozens of begging acrobats at every corner).
Especially the ambient. In the first chapters they're on a immense cemetery on the shore of a lake, at night. A shadowy figure who's just dug up a grave appears, wearing nice clothes and a crazy looking weapon. There's a mausoleum. Do you seriously need a description of what such a scene? Oh, the gloomy light of the moon, the twisted branches of the decrepit trees, the moss covered bricks. Why?
>nondescript
Your brain is used to writers verbosely describing surroundings, (world) building a picture of the characters, the places, the customs of the world.
For the first half of the book, Severian is reminiscing about his past, in places he's mostly familiar with, since it's where he's lived his entire life.
He's writing what's basically a memoir. If you were to write a diary, would you describe in detail what your house looked like? The face of your parents? The colors on the clothes your brothers wore on such a day? The shape of your sister's eyes? Why?
He also asserts to have perfect memory. For him, writing and reading of these things brings up images. He's clearly set on describing what happened to him, the way he feels it's important. Not caring that much for a stranger reading it.
But, as the world expands and Severian keeps traveling, the descriptions are more explicit, so maybe keep reading. Eventually you'll have a vague sketch of what things looked like, and you'll have to fill in the details yourself.

>>16130038
Damn, Tolkien confirmed as a retarded hack.

> “After such thoughts, the memory of his death would come to my mind as night had come to the mountain, a wave of blackness and despair. I knew then how Dorcas had felt when Jolenta died. There had been no sexual play between the boy and me, as I believe there had at some time been between Dorcas and Jolenta; but then it had never been their fleshly love that had aroused my jealousy. The depth of my feeling for the boy had been as great as Dorcas’s for Jolenta, surely (and surely greater far than Jolenta’s for Dorcas). If Dorcas had known of it, she would have been as jealous as I had sometimes been, I thought, if only she had loved me as I had loved her.”
I love how this paragraph conveys what an absolute train wreck of a person Severian is and he just drops that bomb before going back to him trying to sleep

>>16130138
Not that anon but I get the feeling I can just use 40k imagery for a base.
And as for that graveyard my brain just pictured the OoT graveyard next to the lake I recently vacationed at.

As an aside though, I think it would be sweet if you liked a book so much to create maps to accompany it. For example, in "The Three Musketeers" it should be incredibly easy to paint out exactly what is going on and where in Paris.

Like a Paris map the red circle is "Chapter 3 happens here." Blue lines are where D'artagnan was stalking Constance, etc.
Or pull up battle lines for All Quiet in the Western Front. But I never had any problems imagining the hell in that book.

>>16130183
The fun part of this is that the biblical Dorcas was a widow and extremely charitable person (also brought back from the dead), so it's possible her "fleshy" love for Jolenta was just her taking pity on what Talos had done to her, maybe a form of sisterly love. Maybe Jolenta suffered pains from all the implants and shit. And Severian is not being very honest with his account and his jealousy is just unwarranted and psychopathic.
Also (Urth, don't open) it's possible his jealousy is what prevented the Claw from working on Jolenta, since the Claw is a conduit for Severian's powers..

Gat damn Lola Bunny's mother is thicc. Jesus FUCK!

>>16129324
Youre joking right?

>>16130249
Retards never joke, anon.

>>16130138
Wow, Wolfe confirmed as retarded hack confirmed

>>16130216
I only know of 40k from the Antares shorts and book covers and miniatures, so I wouldn't really know.
I unironically pictured the necropolis and the Tower like Count Duckula's castle and the myriad of subliminal depictions of Gothic landscapes and gloomy towers I've encountered since childhood. Since so many words have a Gothic root I thought if fit the story. And on a later reread, with the "fully" revealed picture of the plot and setting, bits of other books and media seeped into the imagery (Gormenghast, the narrow streets of Arabic bazaars, Dark Souls, Bloodborne, etc)
Honestly, if I wanted to engage in fiction and not participate in shaping or coloring the storytelling I'd just watch a movie or something.

Here's some further illustrations:
Urik He: https://www.artstation.com/artwork/4d692
(check Artstation for other artist's pictures)
Book covers from different language editions (and the whole Solar Cycle in EPUBs for download): https://www.mediafire.com/file/p213aybe4d986t6/SCCC-GW.zip/file
Amano's covers are also pretty nice and exotic.

>>16130278

>>16127775
Both, it's all well written ultra-memes. It starts out at magical bdsm femdom and mindcontrol, and progresses from there into demon orgies, enslavement collars, self-cucking, dream ntr, randian epiphany statues, and invisible chickens. And all the while there's great action scenes and fantasy setting detail. It swings wildly from erotic fantasy to sword and sorcery adventure, to story-focused fetish porn, to political manifesto, to slapstick comedy.

Personally I consider it a must-read, whether you think it's well written or not, it's iconic and amazingly entertaining to talk about.

>>16130138
Continue

>>16130482
Trash

>>16127775
Daniel Greene is a little bitch as is anyone who disrespects the GOD of fantasy.

Now. Say something nice about Terry.

>>16128982
Lol posting on 4chan for 10 cents a post seems like a huge waste of time. Didn’t know he was shilled here.

Thoughts?

>>16130809
Autist fantasy.

>>16130809
name sounds like a porn genre

>>16130809
>The definition of hard fantasy is amorphous in practice. Marie Brennan remarked in 2008 that "the term has been around for a while without anybody ever achieving consensus on what it refers to" and proposed a broad definition that "it’s any story that treats magic like science" or fantasy stories that "are concerned with how stuff works, and why"
Then whats even the point of having a category such as this if no one can agree on what the fuck hard fantasy actually is?
>also those examples
So which of those actually treat magic like science?
I only know three from the list there and haven't even read Mistborn, but not once reading Tolkien did I get an impression he tried to make magic into a science.
Is it in the sense that the magic isn't as overwhelming and anime tier flashy, instead of being more subtly woven into the world itself and how it works?

Where I can find star wars books to read, both from the Legends canon and the EU canon? And which ones do you guys suggest to be worth the effort?

>>16130809
So what's the difference in this and magical realism? How literary it is?

>>16131084
darth bane books are pretty good

>>16130809
Seems like a forced term.
Hard science fiction isn't written in a "rigorous and logical" manner. It only abstains from using tropes and fictional technologies that are too hand-wavy, such as faster-than-light space travel. The representative works look like average books of the supra-genre to me.

>>16131090
Magical realism is wannabe literary fiction that is too stuck-up to name itself ordinary fantasy.

>>16131090
Magical realism is just reality with a fantastic element which, initially inobtrusive, slowly seeps into the reality. There are no wizards or if there are, they're presented as regular people or their power is unbeknownst to the characters. The focus of the narrative is usually this subtle relationship between what's real and what's fantastic. A guy visits his hometown and is actually transported to the land of the dead, a dude starts vomiting bunnies, a wife goes missing and an unseen cuckoo chirps mechanically in the distance.

Hard fantasy is just fantasy but with autistic magic systems. The fantastic elements are explained logically or scientifically.

>>16131118
>Magical realism is wannabe literary fiction that is too stuck-up to name itself ordinary fantasy.
Dumb take.

>>16131164
>Terry Pratchett said that saying that you write magical realism is “…a polite way of saying you write fantasy and is more acceptable to certain people…”.

"Magical Realism" is literally under the umbrella of Fantasy. This is an extremely stupid argument. If it has fantastical elements then it's fantasy.

>>16131308
Define "fantastical"

>>16131345
fan•tas•tic•al
Same as fantastic.
adj. Fanciful; unreal; whimsical; capricious; fantastic.
adj. Of or pertaining to fantasy.

>>16131207
Who the fuck cares about Terry Pratchett's opinions on criticism and literature, Jesus Christ.
>>16131308
Same way as grape juice, cognac, champagne and wine are all products of manipulating grapes and they're different among themselves and to other beverages.
Is a religious miracle a form of magic? Is it mere fantasy? Nobody would argue Borges' The Circular Ruins (clearly fantasy) was very similar to Funes.
In a sense, yes, they're all fantasy. But descriptors are useful and doesn't have anything to do with pretentiousness.

I think you nerds should read what you like and stop trying to find words to exclude others.
"I don't read Fantasy like you, you probably read Harry Potter, I read *insert higher reading grade material here instead of young adult*!"

>>16131373
My mistake. Describe the boundaries of fantasy.

>>16131464
We are elite. Exclusion is a good thing.

Are these books actually helpful?

If so, any recs?

>>16131554
>elite
lel

>>16131207
>Terry Pratchett said it, so it MUST be true.
Magical Realism is a variation on the fantasy genre that incorporates what laymen would call "contemporary fiction". Basically anything fantasy-esque that happens to modern folk.

Horror writer here who has just made a brand new Discord for horror lit fans/writers (and related things). I plan to keep the place free of children and idiots, so it should be a nice environment.

https://discord.gg/pRu6XZ

>>16131754
>free of children and idiots
So, literally no one from here, including yourself.

>>16131754
>invalid invite
You already deleted the server? Great move!

>>16131408
That anon is dumb but it’s worth spinning it the other way and say that what “literary” fiction entails is importantly cultural and worthwhile works do come out of genre fiction occasionally. There’s also plenty of bad books with literary ambitions, it’s just that usually no one remembers them (there’s exceptions like Hesse who is not and has never been a critical darling but is kind of known for being the first “serious” lit a lot of people read). Literature made for simple entertainment by authors with little formal education on the classics has also always been a thing, AT LEAST as far back as chivalry books in the Middle Ages, and this is ultimately the role most genre writers fulfill.

>>16131700
>lel
>>>/lgbt/

>>16131084
the X-Wing books are fun

>>16131754
So much for the no-idiots clause. Valid invite:

https://discord.gg/xgbVV4

>>16131754
the OP discord welcomes horror talk, and has less retards than this general (not a hard bar to reach tbf).

>>16131854
>He doesn't know about the Mexican

>>16131862
Dilate, tranny.

I'm working out something. My magic users are able to read a particular emotion in a psychic fashion. A particular mage might know if you're sad, what you're sad about, and why. A different one would know what if you're afraid, what you're afraid of, and why. They can also use their magic to make you sad about something, or afraid of something, or happy about something, whatever it is that they are specialized in.

On average how jaded would the people with this ability be? How often would they be surprised by emotional reactions outside of the very narrow window that they can read? There would be a range, and stereotypes, but also certain commonalities I think.

>>16131854
"fewer"

>>16132101
Christ, anon...

>>16132230
?

>>16132101
Their magic is to not be autistic?

>>16132253
In the sense that they would see residual sadness on a bell ringing near you and know that it sounds like the bell at the person's grandfather's funeral.

>>16130704
I'm sorry but THIS is the superior Terry of Fantasy

>>16132265
Interesting idea although I'm wary about any story built around its lore gimmicks rather than the gimmicks adding spice to a good story

Have you read The Glass Bead Game

>>16132101
Every person who isn't retarded can clearly see when someone is sad or afraid, most people just don't want to get involved.

>>16132287
I have not read it.

The vibe I'm going for is something like a Ghost in the Shell vibe. That there are layers to reality and everyone is playing on multiple simultaneous levels.

>>16132296
Not to this degree, with this degree of certainty, or with this level of information.

>>16130809
Isn't that just low fantasy with extra autism?

>>16132101
So they're psychology wizards? lmao
What would be the point? Don't you see a few issues?
>https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2017/09/09/here-are-the-27-different-human-emotions-according-to-a-study/
Even if you narrowed it down to 5 or 10, the typical figure of the court wizard or adviser would require a larger cast just to cover every emotion. You'd need a specialist who would not even know if a guy who was angry and if that anger came from sadness or whatever.
And wouldn't some emotion specialists be considered superior to others? Like Shame or sadness?
And what about psychopaths? I hope you're not planning of making one your villain or something because that would be just dumb and anyone could see it a mile away.

>>16132440
I've got it narrowed down to 7 big ones. A court wizard isn't necessary for those purposes because the entire ruling class would be the magic users.

>Mage Errant 4 is out
>not up on any sites
>come innathread and dumpasses genuinely believe human beings are mostly rational hyperempathic creatures who can assess and understand mood affect at a glance
i hate that the only place I can discuss sff is with children

>>16132481
You came here wanting to discuss a literal childrens book and you're complaining about the thread discussion not being up to your intellectual standards?

I dont know what to start reading Malaz or WoT

I love grimdark, epic fantasy, space operas and im a Sanderson fag too, but I can't decide which one to start. Any helpful anon willing to guide me?

>>16132565
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>>16132488
I'll discuss anything, you pedant faggot. I was going through some ancient books from my Amazon history and it's depressing how some titles outright lead to blank pages or don't continue, likely bombed. Alas, life of a self-published author.

>magic is supposed to be mysterious and unexplained and lurking around the edges
>if you have X magic, people would use it in Y way and the world would look like Z
Which is it /sffg/?

>>16132565
Read in publication order - WoT first.

>>16132659
Depends on the story.

>>16132659
Magic is only mysterious cause you don't get it, in that sense it's literally just scifi but without exposition dumps.
Mechanically, I prefer if you have an idea what characters are capable of in at least general terms, and an understanding that they're doing SOMETHING that probably involves a lot of technical details you just don't need to know about. Maybe drop an explanation for a few of them throughout the story to make certain things more clear.

I don't like it when it's too simple and straightforward though, that usually just boils down to rigid caste systems, chosen ones, and overly complicated plotlines.

>>16132659
>>if you have X magic, people would use it in Y way and the world would look like Z
May as well just play video games if this is the shit you want to read about.

>>16132659
Both, you can show the impact of fantasy elements without autistic rationalising

>>16132684

Thank you!

Anyone read Christopher Priest?

>>16127699
Good or bad? I bought it awhile ago, but haven't read it yet.

>>16132101

The other part of what these guys do is that as they have particularly poignant memories those memories wind up being tied to touchstones. Those touchstones are used to cast spells. If you have a memory of a bird in flight, and a memory of a person, then you could create a spell that would cause a person to fly. A side bonus of the emotional specialization thing is that if the dominant emotional context of the memory is aligned with the emotional specialty of the caster then they can tap into sources of that emotion to power the spell. Also casting a spell causes them to enjoy the roller coaster ride of those memories used to cast it.

>>16132273
What the fuck, why are there so many Terries?

>>16132741
See: >>16132762

>>16132659
>not having a system of hard magic inside of a world of soft magic
>not using the fantastical as a tool to examine the human character under a hypothetical situation

I'm always torn between amusement and disgust when I hear people spout out lazy diatribes critical of the conventions of the genre that the purport to be interested in.

>>16133207
>I summoned an imp; now how can this help me be a better ally to black people?
Sounds riveting.

>>16133222
Holy fuck you're actually retarded.

>>16133227
And you are easily triggered. This amuses me.

>>16133207
>gandalf can summon giant eagles
>what does a world where people can summon giant eagles look like?
>/sffg/ think LotR should just be eagle wars

What military themed /sffg/ do you guys suggest? I feel like I’ve read all the big ones: Starship Troopers, Old Man’s War, Hammer’s Slammers, Black Company, and several of the more mediocre series- the Powder Mage series, the Red Night, and the Thousand Names. I’m open to some new suggestions. Otherwise I’ll probably go reread Horatio Hornblower.

>>16133299
Gaunt's Ghosts is super comfy but I haven't read a lot of military stuff.

>>16132565
read The Twilight Saga by Stephenie Meyer

Why is it that so many fantasy books get terrible adaptations?

>>16133207
>>not having a system of hard magic inside of a world of soft magic
How would this work? If by hard you mean hard like hard SF (i.e. sistemized, logical) how would you convey it "softly" to the reader? Any examples?

>>16133348
Most movies are shit, be them adaptations or original scripts. Why would fantasy be any different? They're more noticeable than an adaptation of a random literary fiction or a modern classic, as well as fewer in number, so they stand out more. Maybe a larger % is shittier, but it's asking too much of a decaying industry.

>>16133348
Because adapting movies from books- especially ones with lots of world building- requires careful planning, love of the source material, and a proper understanding of how to tell a story. None of those however are required to turn out a quick cash grab that Hollywood execs hope enough fans will flock to to keep a trilogy afloat.

>>16132659
Is Black Company a good example of /sffg/‘s preferred magic system? The author never really creates any formal rules, explains how magic works, and generally allows characters to use magic how they please. But even without real explanations we still get a general sense of what magic users are capable of and the limitations of their magic, all without any real exposition. Seems like it ticks off most of /sffg/‘s boxes.

>>16133352
Science dude. Scientific Theory could be explained as smart people trying to work out a hard magic system in a universe of soft magic.

>>16133395
>But even without real explanations we still get a general sense of what magic users are capable of and the limitations of their magic, all without any real exposition.
"Wizard is stronger than me" is still exposition and it's not different than any other fantasy. In one of the books of the South you never get to know why some of the magic users die in the large scale battle. All their kinks and magic are completely opaque to the reader, with the exception of the true names stuff. Pretty standard stuff. The black magicians and their low magic in service of rogue tactics, barring some Disney moments, was cool though.

>>16132101
Anthony Ryan already did this In blood song but otherwise it’s been done to death, and it’s not even main-plot material anyway.

>>16133163
I wish I never read this, also, are you a woman?

>storm it

>>16132942
I've read and highly recommend The Inverted World, avoid spoilers and don't expect the ending to blow your mind because it's a little anticlimatic

>>16133505
I don't think I'm a woman. I don't know what kind wave you are riding.

>>16133505
Have sex

What /sffg/ books would Patrick be into?

>>16124138
My friends kept referring me to read Name of the Wind, and I absolutely fucking hated it, but I'm having trouble articulating why. Obviously Qvothe fucking sucks, the worldbuilding is shitty, and especially Qvothe's backstory is nonsensical and retarded in how much obvious dark past sob story wish fulfillment it is. Also, the entire book feels like filler and contrived, pointless crap.

Can I get some thoughts on this? I don't see why this book ranks so high when it's this fucking bad.

>>16133599
Terry Goodkind shit.

>>16133604
Go on Goodreads and filter by negative reviews.

>>16133604
Its formulaic fantasy. Its focus tested and edited specifically to sell to as many people as possible.

Currently halfway through Sword in the Storm. First time reading Gemmell.
It certainly has some flaws and doesn't strike me as very original, but I couldn't care less. There's something about good old hero stories where evil is bad and good is good that requires very little to keep me interested, and it's sufficiently well written as a bonus.

We should try to make a comfy escapist fantasy chart.

/sffg/, I just found out that I'm not bipolar, I'm just so rarely happy that I misidentify it as a hypomanic episode.

Any books for this feel?

>>16134038
Any woman in the wheel of time books.

>>16134038
Good to see the hypochondriac aspiring writer is back.

>>16134030
>Sword in the Storm
>comfy
I see you haven't reached the point where Connavar's dick ruins everything.

>>16134061
I never left

>>16133348
Because books take days to read, and it's not like nothing his happening most of the time you're reading. Shit is happening that whole time.
And movies are 2 hours.
Sometimes a movie just isn't the same without 15 scenes of the lads at the bar waiting to campaign again, shooting the shit.

>>16133604
Qvothe is an actual simp and proud of it, the plot is extremely cyclical- two good things happen, then something bad happens, repeat-, the pacing is fucked, by the end of the book the plot has barely moved along, and the characters aren’t half as likeable as the author likes to think they are.

Also despite all these glaring flaws people love these books and it gets constant recommendations. The only good things I have to say about Rothfuss is his prose are decent and that he quit his series so we might stop hearing about it.

>>16134216
>he quit his series so we might stop hearing about it
Oh did he finally officially quit? I know he was using the orange man as an excuse to not write.

>>16134067
I've seen Gemmell mentioned often. This one was recc'd maybe 2 years ago, because it featured a cool sword and that's what I wanted to read at the time. I'll probably cycle back to the sequels after a while.
Have you read the Drenai series? Could you read Legion as a standalone?

>>16134295
I like last thread anon's response.
You show him the 15 minute video of you throatfucking her and her saying, "Thank you daddy."
Addendum: She says harder like 2 or 3 times.

>>16134295
>Page 709
>Still more to go
>Same size as 3 Musketeers.
That fucker really thought he had more to say than Dumas with that dribble, huh?
Imagine going to page 600 and still going, "No, wait, I'm not done. I have more insight on a heroes love."

>>16134295
Of course he's not officially quit it. You'd have learned about it by now. Reddit would declare him persona non grata, /lit/ would be swept with twitter screencaps where he would whine about all the death threats he keeps getting, etc.

What are some fantasy authors with great prose?

>>16133604
It's meandering and aimless, more of a collection of vignettes than an actual cohesive story. In terms of tone and pacing it's a fucking mess, starting off as this mysterious revenge story with a protagonist struggling to survive and then veers off into chill slice of life where money and girls are the biggest problem, before the author remembers there as supposed to be a plot about revenge or something near the end. The prose is mostly decent, but often veers into the purple, distracting from the actual content. It's also nothing but teasing you with big mysteries and special happenings, but next to nothing is actually done to set up and develop any of what is teased. The characters are all extremely flat and boring, with everyone just being generically nice and helpful if Quothe likes them or big ole meanies if he doesn't.

>>16135008
I have just read the first two books in BotNS and almost everything except the last sentence could apply to it as well, yet BotNS is worshipped here.

>>16135111
BotNS has a cohesive story hidden in details that you may miss on a first read. Almost everything is relevant to the story, just in a way that is not explicitly spelled out for you. It really is a story that is meant to be read more than once, though I understand if that is not something you enjoy.

>>16134336
dumas at least had an alibi cause he was getting paid by the line, I believe, so he would string out things as long as possible
i still remember being impressed by the first book and then realizing it was shit when i reread it before the 2nd one was published, especially the quote in the pic

>>16133499
Never read it.

>>16132481
Cosmerefag, how the mighty have fallen.
You've been brainwashed by Sanderson and one piece into thinking young adult shit is actually good.
The mage errant literally introduced a love triangle to start drama. I don't see how you could have read past book two. Super special librarian who is bullied because he shagged sheep behind the sawmill, while his uncle watched and ate food.

>>16133207
I'm always torn between anger and utter rage when faggot cunt boys like you write about the fucking human condition. Kill yourself you piece of shit. If I want the human condition I would be in outer lit being a pretentious cunt wad. Stop forcing your boring human condition shit into fantasy novels. I read fantasy to escape from humans, not to see them lauded about and raised on a throne of rose petals. Kys.

>>16133299
Marko Kloos terms of enlistment
Bv Larson Undying Mercenaries
Neal Asher Agent Cormac

>>16134346
>/lit/ would be swept with twitter screencaps where he would whine about all the death threats he keeps getting, etc.
>he actually uses outer lit and doesn't have a script that automatically takes his to the active sffg thread.

>>16135111
>Not even halfway in to the story
>It's basically the same
Based retard

>>16134061
>couldn't recognize his posts even when he wasn't crying about writing nothing for the day

>>16126644
What do i read, now that the Wandering Inn is on break for 2 weeks?

>>16136192
Egyptian book of the dead. To prepare yourself for an heroing after reading all that trash.

>>16136232
But anon, i like the wandering inn

Got damn. Why are all the bitches so thick these days? Why is everything written for coomers?
Why are they trying to control us with our dick?

>>16136321
>gazi the gazer
More like wandering plotline. That series could have been good if:
1.) the author didn't go full sjw
2.) the book was significantly trimmed- no, shaved (yes the author gets paid by the wordcount, but the published version should have been edited down)
3.) that goblin lover was killed from the start instead of other people, who she then chased away like it was their fault, god I hate that inn keeper bitch
4.) the dragon should have raped that running bitch, she obviously needed dick badly she was so raging.

Rec me a dark fantasy book with edgy gore and a good love story

>>16133033
Not him but I can answer in his stead that it's pretty fucking bad. Hodgson clearly had an incredible imagination but couldn't write to save his life, this in the sense that it's literally difficult to read because he's doing a bad impression of how he thinks people in the 17th century wrote the whole time

Anyone notice that almost all fantasy books released these days, the protagonist has an animal companion? Why is that?
Also... If I had a cute female shapeshifting companion.... You better believe we would be fucking... WHY DOESN'T ANYONE FUCK THEIR COMPANION? They are obviously sentient.

>>16136713
So he's larping as a 17th century author?

>>16132101
>On average how jaded would the people with this ability be? How often would they be surprised by emotional reactions outside of the very narrow window that they can read? There would be a range, and stereotypes, but also certain commonalities I think.
There is no objectively correct answer because such an ability doesn't exist in the real world. Just fgure it out for yourself, you dingus; that's what you as an author are supposed to do.

>>16136723
Pretty much. Even Lovecraft found it a bit much.

>>16134038
I feel like I've read this exact same sentence on this board before.

>>16136713
That's a shame. It's a short at least so it shouldn't be too much to suffer through if I don't like it.

>>16136488
1) The author didn't go full sjw. The only plotline that even feels like sjw shit is the one involving the Goblins.
2) Yeah. It needs trimming for casual fantasy fans used to a tight plot structure but i am fine with with it since I like SoL media.
3)She gets less obnoxious later on.
4)She does too. She is unironically off her medication.

Read the first four [Emperor] chapters or the first two [Doctor] chapters those are better indicators for the rest of the story than the beginning. I think you might like those more.

>>16136745
This general, not board.
It's aspiring author anon.

>>16136940
>4)She does too
You mean the dragon raped her in later books?
>1) The author didn't go full sjw. The only plotline that even feels like sjw shit is the one involving the Goblins
The running girl behaving like she needs no man near the end of volume one begs to differ. The book was okay (of overly bloated) doesn't change the fact that volume one ended on high sjw tones.

I'm also not reading anything else of that author.

What do you guys think of condemning the heavens? I saw the audiobook dropped recently and I'm wondering if I should bite the bullet.
https://www.audible.co.uk/series/Condemning-the-Heavens-Audiobooks/B08F7JGNC3

>>16137004
That's his current name anyway, he's gone by others in the past.

>character is a seasoned warrior, an all powerful mage or some such thing
>gets constantly put down by witty women and acts like a nervous dog around them
Why are so many modern fantasy writers such fucking cucks?

>>16136192
Reread Wandering Inn from the start.

>>16137143
We didn't filter them out.

New rule, if you can't bench 140 you can't publish a book.

>>16134042
*The early wheel of time books

Just finished The Traitor Bary Cormorant. I liked it but it didn't blow my mind or anything. Just learned it has two other books. Is it worth starting the Monster Baru Cormorant? Last trilogy I finished was A land fit for Heroes and while I was fine with the ending I felt drained by the end.

>>16125109
>Mask of the Sorcerer
Finished it yesterday. What's next?

>>16137174
Good lord you really want an echo chamber.

>>16133299
Maybe Joel Shepherd's Spiral Wars?

>>16137693
They filtered him out of /fit/, now his brainlet ass is trying to shape sffg to his liking.

>>16137693
yes

>>16137693
Gatekeeping works

I loved Axiomatic (short story collection) but I didn't enjoy Quarantine so much.

Quarantine had some great moments, but also some dull moments, sometimes not explained clearly, and sometimes repetitive.

Should I just stick to Egan's short stories or should I try another of his novels?

>>16138250
Permutation City and Diaspora are great Egan novels.

>>16138279
Do you know if they are they similar in style to Quarantine?

>>16138290
Haven't read Quarantine, so no.

>>16137036
The runner girl actually sleeps with a guy in one of the later volumes.
I read the story because the world is large and diverse, has fun charterers, and the author puts out a lot of content every week. I think those are the things others are looking for when they ask for a web-novel recommendation.
So stop screeching when I recommend it. It is one of the few good web-novels.

>>16138250
>check my read Egan
You might be onto something. Well, for me, a lot of the science is too hard for my non-math abled brain but he IS about the hardest mofo in hard sci-fi.
Also, if you read more novels, the 'Subjective Cosmology' series is a made-up marketing ploy or some shit because Egan states on his website that he has no such series nor are those 3 books related to each other (i.e., the book websites added this, not him)

>>16138612
It's overly bloated, and either you or your buttbuddy meme'd me and made me read that shit last year. I'm not going to stop when you guys try to shill utter cash grab shit.

>I read the story because the world is large and diverse, has fun charterers, and the author puts out a lot of content every week
You are literally a smooth brain, you sound like a female who watches soap operas.

>>16125755
Guy Gavriel Kay’s fionavar tapestry

>>16128547
have some Summoning and Caladan Brood ..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc_xx1PTQ8Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qApRHrMdang

>>16138250
listen to >>16138279
oh and avoid his newest set of short stories.

>>16138786
How is a free web-novel a cash grab?
How much of a retard do you have to think that anyone who doesn't use your specific tone is a " female who watches soap operas".

name better "villains" of any fantasy series, I dare you

>>16138949
The consult were the good guys.

>>16139212
i wouldn't go that far to call em good. hence the quotes around "villains"

>>16131084
My friend keeps annoying me to read the Thrawn series... He swears by it. Anyone comment on it?

>>16138878
The author gets donations from patreon, faggot.
5k+ a month

>>16139455
It's star wars, therefore shit.

>added Tokien, C.S. Lewis, and G.K Chesterton to my fantasy reading chart

Anyone else?

Who’s good to read after Dunsany? Who’s more refined than him? I’ve consumed pretty much every piece of Dunsany’s work I could find and I want something else to scratch the same itch.

>>16139583
>Who’s more refined than him?
Keats

>>16139685

Thanks! I just downloaded his complete works

>>16139685
>Keats
After Hyperion, that name fills me with rage.

>>16139583
There's a Delphi edition of his complete works if you think you might have missed any

Finished The Stars My Destination. I loved how the title came into play towards the end and the synesthesia effect the Bester was going for when Foyle was disorientated. What else by him is worth reading?

Wanna eat a gun desu. Books aren't keeping me happy anymore. They don't brighten the numbness anymore.
Reading is no longer fun.

>>16140182
just watch porn bro

>>16140197
I was a coomer since I was 11. Twenty plus years of playing with my lil bro got tiring. It's why I turned to books. Porn don't do it anymore.
They only thing I had left was advancing technology, and the augmentation humans would have in the future. But there is no tech, there is only kill.

>>16139455

It's tolerable fiction written for a 12 year old audience, which makes it lightyears ahead of almost all other soi wars books

>>16138949
When the fuck is the next series starting?

>>16140281
Never. Scott got dropped by his publisher, and he's too proud to self publish without the accolade of a publishing house standing behind him.

>>16140291
Too much GRI for them?

>>16140300
More like too little. Everyone wants GRI these days.

>>16140317
I don't know if it's possible to have MORE GRI than that, there's a literal race of immortal rape aliens fighting against the power of magical incest, and the entire last book is about an army sustaining itself on nonconsentual gay sex alone for forty days and forty nights.

>>16140365
We have to go deeper anon.
There is always more GRI to be had.

>tfw you desperately want to kill yourself but your mom is still alive and you can't afford to hurt her

>>16137587
there will be a fourth and final book

Thread slave get to work

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>>16139507
No one forces anyone to donate you brain-dead fuck. It's all available for free.