/lit/ - Literature

>>16046678
I like them both

it's subjective

>>16046678
This show had some godly music especially "egao no yukue". Did they die at the end? Based if they did.

>>16046678
because they have images and music as well (music is especially potent in invoking emotions).

weebs will be first to hang

Because of the pretty pictures

>>16046678
I thought /lit/ had better standards than to allow weebs to post here

>>16046678
>but they don't wring your heart
that's because traditional lit isn't emotionally dishonest like the majority of media made past the year 1980

>>16046995
>music
Yep, the books of the future will probably have music as well (and when I say future I mean when paper becomes dated and everything starts to be published online).

>>16047314
Elaborate.

>>16047418
I'm a midwit who can't express his meaning clearly but as an example, I personally have never been moved to tears over literature whereas a filmed depiction of the loss of parent often moves me to tears despite such scene having relatively little to do with the movie; that being said, no film has every made me question my outlook on life for an extended amount of time.

>>16047439
right, but what do you mean by ''emotionally dishonest''?

>>16047542
>despite such scene having relatively little to do with the movie

>>16047314
get off this board you anime loving faggot

>>16047563
Its incredibly unlikely that anyone shitting on media past 1980 would still be an "anime loving faggot;" are you really so much of a nigger as to be bothered by a pic unrelated?

>>16046678
-visual novels have pictures and music on top of the narrative, which makes them less boring
-they put plot and characters over themes, hence they actually focus on art's strenghts instead of trying to mimic philosophers

>>16047618
>-they put plot and characters over themes, hence they actually focus on art's strenghts instead of trying to mimic philosophers
literally the dumbest shit I read all day.

>>16047673
>-they put plot and characters over themes, hence they actually focus on art's strenghts instead of trying to mimic philosophers
literally the dumbest shit I read all day.

>>16047682
Nice job, retard.

>>16047707
Shut the fuck up, faggot.

>>16047721
You first, nigger.

>>16047696
that's because you are an idiot, putting themes on the front is making your literature bad philosophy

>>16047807
Literature is the perfect balance between plot, characters and themes, none must stay above the others, that's why it's so hard to create good literature, because you need surgeon precision in combining those three elements and that's also why VNs fails as literature, because as you said they put plot and characters over themes.

what's a good VN to start with? something actually literary please.

>>16047673
>they put plot and characters over themes, hence they actually focus on art's strenghts instead of trying to mimic philosophers
Not only is this a completely stupid argument (fiction without art is just meaningless dribble, and the overemphasis on fiction over thematic relevance is the downfall of modern western literature) it's not even true.
The best VNs all come to either ignore its fiction entirely in favor of verse and themes (SubaHibi, Kusarihime, Sayonara wo Oshiete) or only use it as a tool to study and develop philosophical and intrapersonal problems and inquiries (Muramasa, Sakura no Uta, Forest, Musicus!, White Album 2). Even the basic genre fiction works like MLA, your usual keyshit, Rance and whatnot tend to explore themes at times in transgression to their stories and characters.

>>16047045
>gets shot in the back by a weeb with a hydro-dipped SBR full-auto 10/22 covered in anime stickers on his way there

>>16047866
>Literature is the perfect balance between plot, characters and themes
No it's not, usually the focus is either on the plot or the themes.
>and that's also why VNs fails as literature, because as you said they put plot and characters over themes.
That's what makes them fun to read. Literature completely fails at exploring themes in any depth compared to philosophy, so it's better off sticking to making good stories.

The absolute state of /lit/
Your mother will die in her sleep tonight if you post in this thread without sage from now on

>>16048053
>Literature completely fails at exploring themes in any depth
Read more.

>>16047962
>Not only is this a completely stupid argument (fiction without art is just meaningless dribble, and the overemphasis on fiction over thematic relevance is the downfall of modern western literature)
You don't even understand what art is. By that logic music is just "meaningless dribble" since it doesn't explore themes. But in fact music has no need for philosophy, and neither does literature.

>>16048090
artists typically don't know anything about philosophy so no

>>16048085
I have danger dog, so this won't happen. no sage.

>>16048100
>music doesn't explore or express anything
I'll just leave you your sage. You're clearly either just arguing in bad faith or you're too stupid to get most of the shit you consume in the first place, or you willingly surround yourself with nothing but vapid abuses of a medium.

>>16047933
House in Fata Morgana, When They Cry-series (Ryuukishi isn't known for his prose though, and they are very long), WA2 if you know japanese (DO NOT READ THE ENGLISH "TRANSLATION", it's complete and utter garbage), and Steins;Gate (most people's first VN). Some people on /lit/ like Subarashiki Hibi as well.

>>16047673
>plot and characters
The biggest meme out there.

>>16048320
All those are trash besides SubaHibi.

>>16048673
Unironically the opposite.

While we are at it, recommend good heartwarming sibling romance book.

>>16046678
My almonds haven't been properly activated, and my heart hasn't been properly gripped since book 24 of the Iliad.

>>16047933
Planetarian, it is pretty short perfect tearjerker. It is also good if you like, well, planetariums. Yumemi is my agape waifu.

>>16048320
The House in Fata Morgana is an absolute masterpiece. If you haven't read through it yet, there's a prequel VN that came out not too long ago that goes through more of the witch's story

>>16047933
Wonderful Everday is also very good. It got me to read Kierkegaard since he's referenced a decent amount

>>16048843
Kierkegaard would probably feel very disgusted for being represented in a teen's herectical sexual videogame .

>>16047364
Yeah like paper books became obsolete when radio started after with tv and now with internet

>>16048933
They sort of did.

>>16048843
>The House in Fata Morgana is an absolute masterpiece
It's good but it's not that good.

>>16047933
saya no uta

>>16046678
Maybe because you’re a brainlet that get filtered by books. And this is valid for any of the other ones saying that books are boring and VN are entertaining because “muh art”, VN rewards you just for clicking a button while a good book demands you to actually put effort into it.

>>16047933
Aoi Sora no Camus if you know jap

>>16048966
This is correct if you like Lovecraft (stuff like Color out of Space) and cannibal lolis.

>>16048968
I loved books until I discovered VNs but now I only want to read VNs.

>>16048968
>a good book demands you to actually put effort into it
lol what

>>16047542
I'd wager he means they try and con emotion out of the viewer without having any depth behind them. A dog dies in a movie, sad music plays, and we feel bad because we are sad when we see innocent and kind things die. This kind of sadness is not difficult to evoke, and has no thought behind it. It is forgotten quickly.

>>16049043
Do you have any idea how much more muscle power it takes to turn a page than it does to click for more text? Bookchads are over here getting their book arm fucking ripped while your whole body wastes away except your finger.

>>16049053
True but the best and most memorable emotionally evocative works are ones that create emotional scenes that have depth and weight in the story.

>>16049057
I should've known...

>>16048172
>You're clearly either just arguing in bad faith
Imagine accusing someone of dishonesty while misquoting him in the same post.
Here is what I wrote:
>music (...) doesn't explore themes
And here is how you butchered it:
>music doesn't explore or express anything
try to be less full of shit next time

>>16048328
that would be prose

>>16047962
drop more recommendations for vns. You have good taste
(pls translated. I don't know japanese and machine translations suck)

I love this parts in VNs where they go on a tangent about one of the writer's interests, like the Archimedes' Principle segment in ever17 or Yuki's tangent about global economics in SubaHibi. Anyone else?

>>16047439
>>16046678
I get teary eyed reading a bunch of books, for example Grapes of Wrath and books about WW1/WW1 poetry. It seems pretty subjective.

>>16049675
>books about WW1/WW1 poetry.
Any recommendations?

>>16046678
We all know it's you. Stop posting these threads.

The only good VNs I’ve seen are Subarashiki Hibi, Saya no Uta and the first Utawarerumono. Nothing translated is on the same level as Subahibi

>>16049982
I'm not actually super well read on WW1 poetry, so I can't really give a recommendation for that beyond 'look them up and read the ones that pop up', but for books I really enjoyed the Guns of August.

>>16046678
Knowing the context, this is such a tear jearking sentence.

What do you guys think of the visual novel Symphonic Rain?

>>16047933
Depends.
1. How deep have you gotten into otaku media (anime, manga, LNs) so far?
2. Do you know Japanese?

>>16046678
Probably because you're a poor reader and the music and images helps you remember the setting, characters and mood. Its alright, I'm the same way but getting better. Let's be honest, most VNs are not well written. There are a few gems though.

>>16050066
Play the version with older art, the remastered art is soulless

>>16050072
>How deep have you gotten into otaku media (anime, manga, LNs) so far?
Very deep, want to go deeper
>2. Do you know Japanese?
Yes.

>>16050092
Aoi Sora no Camus is pretty /lit/

>>16050090
But is it /lit/? Does it go deep into classical music? Or is it just romance stuff with classical music acting as a background only with no pholosophical discussions about it?

>>16046678
visual novels basically combine subpar writing by the standards of novels with subpar art by the standards of anime/manga. i hear SubaHibi is good though.

>>16048843
As far as I remember, Subarasiki Hibi mostly references Wittgenstein, and makes a few brief references or superficial namedrops of Nietzsche, Kant, Hegel, Leibniz, and Nicholas of Cusa.
The Sca-Ji VN that deals a bit more with Kierkegaard is Sakura no Uta (that got translated to Spanish but not to English), but then again, the reference to Kierkegaard's leap of faith there is mostly relevant to a specific part of one route, and doesn't really represent the overall feeling of the work.

>>16050110
The VNs with good stories do usually have pretty bad art, mostly because they're older. But some of the new fap material VNs have amazing art, lots of movement and boobie physics. Fapping to them feels dangerous, like I'm really rewiring and overstimulating my brain.

>>16050139
>masturbating to anything but still drawings of armpits and knees

>>16046678
you just have zero imagination