/lit/ - Literature

make a stupid chart

stupid kids on /lit/ get mad

It could use some work actually.

But it's essentially correct, yes.

>>1593074
It needs a little expansion in the shit tier, and a little reduction in all the other tiers.

>Kant
>high tier
This thread is in-itself a piece of shit.

>>1593085

He can be challenging for beginners :(.

This thread is awful both because it's retarded and because your rankings suck.

Hegel in the shit tier is ridiculous. Nietzsche needs to be higher, just because you don't like him doesn't mean he wasn't a tremendous thinker (and no I am not a disciple of Nietzsche). Heidegger also needs to be higher. Locke should be lower I think.

I'll grant you Wittgenstein in god, Kierkegaard/Schopenhauer in shit, but everything else is pretty lolwrong, except your low tier.

>>1593162
>He doesn't understand the connections between Wittgenstein, Frege and Russell!

>>1593168
>he never said anything that should make you think that

He just said W is god, not that there aren't other god tier philosophers.

>>1593168
sure I do. I'd put them in about mid tier. But Wittgenstein trumps them for moving away from the rigid retardity that logical positvism became

>>1593180
>He doesn't realize that Frege endorsed the Context Principle too!

Either put Nietzsche in God Tier or remove God.

>>1593196
mostly I can't get over that when I read Frege I think of Faygo, ergo, Juggalos

true fact.

>tier threads
idiots

go have a real discussion

I think clarity is an underrated skill in the field of philosophy.

So many great thinkers who aren't great writers. It just ruins it for other people.

You think philosophy is a competition. LULZ

If I didn't know anything about philosophy and came here, I would quickly conclude analytic philosophy is just trolling. Almost all analytic-related threads are just trolling. There is never any actual content. Trolling, ad hominems, and xenophobia.

>>1593245

Pretty good, anon. Pretty good.

>Spinoza
>mid tier

NO, just no.

>>1593281

Why?

>>1593298
Spinoza is fucking God tier that's why. And a fucking bad ass. Writs of Haram all up in this shit.

>>1593303

His monism is all right, but he didn't say anything important about meaning.

put Locke in shit tier. then we'll talk. you put derrida four tims. faggot. also, this thread is shit tier.

>>1593309

Derrida is just that shitty.

>>1593307
meaning in what sense? Because the Ethics has huge implications for the meaning of life,and his theologoical political treatise as well.

>>1593319

Meaning of language.

>>1593303

this

>>1593321
Now that I think about it, he didn't say anything about the space shuttle program either. What a hack.

Foucault is above-God tier.

>>1593329

He's not a hack, silly boy. He's mid tier. Questions about language are more important than questions about ontology, because you need language to ask questions.

is derrida seriously that bad?

>>1593340
Are you a first year philosophy major and just heard about the continental / analytic debate? It's fascinating.

>>1593343
ya lol he's french, what do u expect
they can't do philosophy when their eating the funny shaped bread
serious tier chart

i'd put the greeks higher.... but they're kind of a soft spot for me

also spinoza in god tier. brofist to the other anon who said that

>>1593343
D&E quotes Derrida pretty much err'day
open to interpretations

>>1593363
>first year

Nope!

Kant high tier is just troll-worthy.

>>1593388
>>1593388
>>1593388
I love dem Greeks ;___;

>>1593340
and yet an ontological question imposes doubt in the presence of language

>>1593405
seriously man, that's exactly how it is

i read the apology whenever i need a good cry

>>1593405
>Greeks
>humans are created from sperm mixing with menstrual fluid

>>1593399
You were not paying attention during your first year, it seems.

>>1593418
Yeah, and they didn't talk about the space shuttle program either.

pretty bad

>>1593427
I lold

>>1593418
>>1593418

Your level of imbecility is incommensurable.

>The safest general characterization of the European philosophical tradition is that it consists of a series of footnotes to Plato.

http://www.age-of-the-sage.org/philosophy/footnotes_plato.html


There is practically nothing that hasnt been discussed before by the greeks.

>>1593340
That's an arbitrary hierarchy. Questions about information are more important than questions about language, because you need information to use language. Questions about education are more important because you need education to get information. And so on.

I like that Derrida is in the shit tier twice.
And also, I don't agree with your chart at all.

>>1593472
There are very few topics not touched upon by people with Schizophrenia who speak in stream of consciousness or automatic writing.

>>1593493
how would your chart be?

>>1593472
lol @ that page
What about the fact that virtual all of Plato's philosophical views are completely and self-evidently absurd?

>>1593521
samefag, inb4 "lol spelling error"

faggot who doesn't know shit about shit and is just getting into philosophy here:
I'm reading some Freud and Nietzsche now, for fun. Other than The Republic, I've never read any other philosophical works. Am I just filling my mind with garbage or is this an exaggeration/troll?

>>1593534
You should at the very least have familiarized yourself with Schopenhauer first before starting on either of those two. Get the Cambridge introductions too. It'll give you a better chance of reading such difficult stuff.

>>1593538
will do, thanks for the advice

>>1593540

Not a troll, they're all garbage. Read Russell's history of western philosophy for a crash course that will guide your future readings in history.

>>1593540
>Not a troll
>Read Russell's history of western philosophy
Now that's just mean.

>>1593549
I'm confused.

>>1593565

It's a difficult but rewarding text.

>>1593566
>It's an interesting, but heavily biased text.
Fix'd

>>1593566
Ah. That's pretty much how I would describe the Freud and Nietzsche I've read so far, so no big deal I suppose.

>>1593571
Understanding Freud and Nietzsche is a lot more difficult than understanding Russel. You have really tried to climb mountains before you can crawl.

>>1593571
Add in Marx to complete your readings of the Masters of Suspicion.

>>1593239

But it is a competition. You need to be right, and the people who disagree with you need to be wrong.

you forgot to add this to the shit tier:

op is shit tier anon XD

>>1593067
>I don't think

I agree with you this far.

>>1594997

But don't you have to think to not think? Doesn't OP have to think to post about not thinking?

D&E's was better

>>1595023
>He saves tripfag troll content

Anon, I am disappoint. Very disappoint.

>>1593067
>Kant and Locke in high tier
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!

Nietzsche, Schopenhauer and Levinas are not that bad (if you are able to understand what they write)

btw you forgot to put Derrida in Shit tier.

>>1595063
>Schopenhauer
>bawww I'm sad bawwww

Does he every move past this idea?

>deleuze

you made a lot of architectural theorists very angry

>>1595075
No. But his "Wille" lead to Nietzsche's "Dionysus" and Freud's "Id". His criticism against all philosophers (specially against Hegel) is very good in On the Fourfold Root of the Principle of Sufficient Reason and his conception of life as essentially suffering us legit.
Also he introduced Buddhism to occidental philosophy.

>>1595095
>No

Stopped reading there, broheim. I only read alpha male philosophers, not silly betas that can't stop bawwing.

Wittgenstein > Russell+Frege

They OBVIOUSLY don't belong to the same tide.

>>1595101
>alpha male philosophers
...
Ayn Rand?

>>1595108
>tide

Thanks for discrediting yourself.

>>1595110

Jerry Fodor.

>adorono

>>1595137

You mad? Naming is just preparatory to language games bro, which means it's pretty trivial.

>>1595124
>Thanks for discrediting yourself.
Nope. I was using my private language. You just can't understand it.

>>1595124
psychosmatics is sketchy

OP should try and read more than the wikipedia pages of the authors he mentions.

>private language
good luck w/that

>>1595227

I don't care about psychosemantics, I just care about alpha status. Please see attached image.

>>1595442

You could do with a good look at the attached image too.

>>1595918
That excerpt is horrifying. Who wrote that?

>>1595926
Jerry Fodor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Fodor
Here's the work in whole, for your viewing pleasure:
http://books.google.com/books?id=0U_vi285S_cC&pg=PA39&lpg=PA39

>>1595926
>horrifying

Why?

analytic=bad
continental= good

op is a bitch product of the US college system

>>1595986
Stylistically, not in terms of content. I don't know what his jargon's referring to, and I haven't read the book. The derisive style, the direct repetition without adding content, and the cavalier use of dependent clauses are painful to look at, at least in an academic work.

>>1596000

trips
truths

>>1596000
>implying no continental schools in US

>>1596004

Oh, then I see where you're coming from. But I guess I see it as pure alpha rather than horrifying.

>>1596025

>has no clue about his country's own school system

Kant needs to be God tier; only kids that don't really understand philosophy would place him lower. Spinoza likewise, or at least high tier. It's harsh to put Greek philosophers so low down, as well; remember what they had to work with, and most of the blame for their bad ideas comes from their followers who decided to accept them as facts rather than question them as the Greeks would have advised.

Who the fuck is Dummett?

>>1596035
>implying false implications
>missed the fact that there isn't a single american philosopher in God Tier

>>1596036

Kant is nice and all, but pic related.

Dummett is important.

>>1596044

i didnt miss that fact you fuckhead.
what american philosopher could one possibly put up there? there arent any worth a shit. besides all of your american philosophers practice analytic philosophy...like searle, kripke etc., arent they your most famous ones? name one who's continental oriented. you are just an idiot; learn about your school system

>>1596053

Judith Bulter

and David Lewis should be god tier

>>1596053

Oh, I don't want to put any Americans in God Tier. That was my point, little fella. It's some evidence that I don't blindly worship 'American Philosophy', whatever that is.

There are some American schools that cater to continental interests. Look up the NSSR, for example.

>>1596062
lol
>>1596064
i dont know what that school is and there obviously has to be one for the sake of your argument...i'll grant you it.
how about the other 3000?

>>1596062

I feel that all of Lewis's important results were presented by Sinhabu, and that on reflection, they aren't all that important anyways.

Why no love for Kierkegaard?

Either/Or was wonderful.

And so handsome too.

>>1596091

>>1596099
Ah, Kate Beaton.
*sighhhhhhhhhhhh*
<3

>>1596091
>God

>>1596107
Even he acknowledged the requirements of a leap of faith.

Even though I'm not a Christian, I respect Kierkegaard in that he understood more than any man on earth nowadays what it meant to be one, especially that it was supposed to be incredibly difficult.

Kierkegaard was a bro, though I did wish he had married that one lady from Either/Or. Poor guy.

Schopenhauer was one of Wittgenstein's favorite philosophers you know.

>>1596258

Smart people can make mistakes.

Why s zizek in shit iter?

>>1597528

Poor and unclear argumentation.

>All my favorites in shit tier

Let's never hang out.

OP officially most boring person in the world

>>1597619

:(

>>1597603

Boring? What do you take that to be?

>organizing philosophers with complex theories into a linear tier list

>>1597641

>task is difficult
>therefore task is impossible

nope.tiff

>eternal truth

I thought the point was arguing about why do we think some philosophers are shitty and why others are THE shit. But fuck it, let's cockfight!

>Ad hominem fallacies ftw

>>1598000

Are those options all that different?

>>1597665

It IS impossible. There is no objective way of organizing philosophers in a "good-mid-shit" tier. Its completely subjective.

Well according to Nietzsche, Frege, Russel and Wittgenstein are dead.

>>1598000
I don't think anyone's made an "ad hominem fallacy" in this thread