/lit/ - Literature

I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.

>>15960238
cringe but based

Fuck
E
William Brown

Brandon Sanderson is cute and based.

>>15960236
Any sci fi fantasy made for BBC ?

>>15960555
Yes, plenty of of sci fi fantasy have been made for the British Broadcasting Corporation. Oh, wait, you were meme'ing and want that specific book posted? No.

I'm now serious about writing a fantasy novel.

Having read Abercrombie, I am sure, CERTAIN even, that I am a better writer than him with a superior imagination.

If Abercrombie can make it as a top Fantasy writer, there is literally nothing stopping me, other than my own laziness.

>>15960599
That isn't how it works.

>>15960599
it's not about being good, some writers get lucky some don't.

>The barbarian wanted me as his woman, and my crew handed me over!
>I knew there would be sacrifices when I volunteered for the intergalactic mission. I just never imagined my crew mates would trade me to a fierce Viking warrior on a distant planet to save themselves!
>Now I’m stuck on a frozen rock, light years from Earth, with a barbarian who’s convinced I’m his fated mate. And he wants to claim me. To take me to his fur-lined bed. The worst part? I’m tempted to let him...
>Sure, he’s strong and sexy and I haven’t felt warm in days, but it’s more than that. For the first time, I’m insecure and struggling to fit in. I don’t really belong here. I’m used to reading books by the fire, not carrying a sword I can barely lift while foraging for food. The other villagers stare at me, their eyes overflowing with suspicion. And my new man, Einar? His fierceness intimidates me!
>If I let him into my bed, maybe I can thaw his cold heart...
>Einar is a standalone sci-fi alien romance, full of lots of steamy action. No cheating, no cliffhangers, and a happy ending!

>>15960613
>>15960623
You trying to throw me off my dreams, Abercrombie Stand?

>>15960625
>with a barbarian who’s convinced I’m his fated mate. And he wants to claim me. To take me to his fur-lined bed. The worst part? I’m tempted to let him..
>If I let him into my bed, maybe I can thaw his cold heart...
do women really...?

>>15960599
If that is you in the pic, let me cum in you missionary position and you will become a better writer.

>>15960671
Yes, face reality.
That'd you be a better writer is irrelevant.
If it were relevant, he wouldn't be a top fantasy writer.

>>15960625
>I’m used to reading books by the fire,
This trope has to die. The authors always slip in that the character likes to read, so the fucking consoomer can say "they are just like me xD smiley face emoji". I hate this shit.

>>15960680
>do women really...?
Yep. All women get into relationships thinking they could change the other person, and in the few cases that they succeeded in changing the person to how they want them, they leave because "you're not the same person I fell in love with".

>>15960720
You don't seem to realize that "they are just like me xD smiley face emoji" is the basis for much of everything. There are surely various times you've felt the same. This is just one instance that is one that you don't like.

>>15960732
Nice lose-lose situation you've presented.

>>15960719
>Yes, face reality

My, My, My

Such a loser I sense in you.

>>15960739
You're probably a woman. You don't want people knowing your base motives when all the insanity is stripped away.

>>15960759
Nice strawwoman you've presented.

Any tips on outlining a fantasy story? I have some vague ideas but how should I go about turning them into a proper plot? I want to figure out the gist of it before starting my first draft.

>>15960734
You're talking about self inserts. The books I read are so fantastical that I can't self insert as anybody, because anything they do I can't replicate in real life.

>>15960771

>>15960776
This isn't the place to ask.

>>15960783
Made for

>>15960790
disappointing. where is?

>>15960804
Someplace where they discuss how to write. Or you could read writing books or watch writing seminars or take class or various other stuff.

Finally got around to reading stormlight archive, it was pretty fun I have to say. But man, Shallaan went balls deep crazy in the third book lmao.

>>15960804
Try out creative writing classes at university, a bunch of places would give online courses atm

>>15960776
Brandon's lectures on youtube are a good insight into plotting/outlining.

>>15960795
Why does that guy always wear knee pads, I don't get it.

>>15960827
Why do you even know you that guy is?

>>15960776
Worldbuild. Outline the vague ideas you have (write them down). Eventually you will begin to connect the dots.

Sanderson talks about being a Discovery writer vs Outline writer. Find out to what extent you are able to develop your story just by writing or if you prefer to construct it all from scratch.

Don't be afraid to begin by writing chapters that take place halfway through or towards the end of your story.

>>15960599
Start writing then and hope you'll get published. Sounds like you're pretentious, so you've got a shot.

>looking at random sff novels
>the opening sentence is:
>The first thing they did was show their tits
>female author
Seems like something I'll try reading sometime.

>>15960839
GRRM calls it gardener vs architect.

>>15960882
Women writers like nudity, sex and rape way more than men. when i want to read and masturbate at the same time i can always count on reading genre fiction by female writers

>>15960921
WRONG! Men like all of those WAY MORE! The PROBLEM is that SOCIETY won't ALLOW men to do write it. It's CENSORSHIP and DOUBLE STANDARDS!

>>15960932
take your meds

>>15960827
Sucking jewish cock

What would you say is THE best fantasy novel from a purely literary sense?

>>15960921
Not true. I just got my agent for my novel, literally named after a serial sodomite that is a crazed rapist and sex pervert villain, while the main character is almost a rapist.

>>15961051
None.

Good Sci-fi where you mate with aliens?

>>15960839
>Worldbuild
No.

I've only read the original Robert Howard's Conan stories are any of the other stories worth reading? Where would I start?

>>15960238
Cringe

>>15961051
Lord of the rings

>>15961389
Not really worth reading.
They're arranged in a rough chronological order last I checked so start at the beginning or skip ahead to whatever sounds good

>>15961389
Are you asking if any Conan stories written by other authors are worth reading? Or other non-Conan stories by REH worth reading? The answer to both is yes. Soft yes for non-REH Conan and hard yes for non-Conan REH stories.

>>15961455
Okay thanks what about lovecraft? Same parameters were I've only read original should I just save my time?

>>15961543
Naw I've read krull I'm asking about non howard Conan stories

>>15961550
I've only read two non-REH Conan books and from what I've gathered they're the best non-REH Conan tales: Conan: Road of Kings by Karl Edward Wager and Conan and the Emerald Lotus by John Hocking. I prefer RoK over Emerald Lotus even though EL has more stuff happening within its story. Wagner understood Conan better than any other writer besides REH and his characterization in RoK is perfect. I also prefer the darker tone of RoK over EL. EL is still good though and a great S&S book even if Conan wasn't the main character.

If you want I could link you to an article that discusses and reviews a number of Conan pastiches.

>>15961550
>Naw I've read krull
Now read Solomon Kane and Bran Mak Morn.

>>15961544
You might wanna check out Laird Barron for Lovecraftian horror. Apparently he sucks now and writes more hipster horror, but he wrote some good Lovecraftian stories earlier in his career. I would personally recommend the story The Broadsword.

>>15961576
I couldn't get into Kane and never gave Bran Make Morn a chance>>15961573
>>15961608
Thanks for the recommendation and if you don't mind posting the link?

>>15961623
>and never gave Bran Make Morn a chance
Worms of the Earth is not only the best Bran Mark Morn story, but one of the best stories REH wrote period. Read it right now if you have the time. It has such a fantastic horror atmosphere and even Wagner wrote a sequel of sorts called Legion from the Shadows. And here's two links about Conan pastiches:

https://www.blackgate.com/2018/01/04/by-crom-some-conans-are-more-equal-than-others/
http://www.howardandrewjones.com/reviews/conan-and-fan-fic-writers-of-doom

>>15960776
Speaking as person that did 6 years of creative writing at University;
What you will want to do is scour for multiple inspirations for HOW TO WRITE WELL.
A lot of people confuse effort with quality, you need to realise that a higher quality piece will always be better than "I wrote X00,000 words in 3 months" and it barely passes for YA.

>>15960821
>>15960816
These two are very close to the correct answer, but have a bit of drawback.
University introduction to writing courses (and the more advance creative writing courses) provide phenomenal understanding of foundations to writing. I would highly recommend studying a serious literature unit as well as a drama unit to really get a grasp on powerful dialogue.
Sad fact, university based courses aren't for everyone - even though they provide the best information on how to improve writing quality.
This will seem very contrarian to the next point, but you need to keep in mind this is 'refining' your writing as a skill.

>>15960826
>>15960839
>Sanderson approach
>Sanderson lecture advice, not even his podcasts
I don't mean to bash because I actually like the dude. But do not follow this, for two very real reasons;
You want to write fantasy with your own voice, not somebody elses. And this is writing as a means to get ideas onto a page - writing to think, rather than writing to be read.
Brandon is teaching lectures in an environment that produces more Sandersons; not new authors. He doesn't teach HOW to write well, his lectures are for writing fantasy.
If you watch his lectures (other than basic plotting because curriculum demands, expectations, etc) you'll start to see that there really isn't much 'writing' being done, rather shit that no one will either see, or that you will have to work around to write. Explaining your magic system isn't writing, it's telling - no matter how well you do it, you are not developing your story in any way.
If you really like the guy and think he's got a good approach to teaching, I would recommend his podcast instead. There he at least has people to correct him and bounce of him to provide better points.

There is a free, and more serious lecture (about academic writing, but it actually works for creative writing as well) which has been far more valuable than any class I have been in.
The idea is that you're writing to a group, rather than writing for yourself; once you truly understand this, you will shift how you write in a more positive way.
https://youtu.be/vtIzMaLkCaM

>>15961681
>Speaking as person that did 6 years of creative writing at University;
Nice job spending more than 1,000x what on getting unhelpful advice on how to write than you'll ever make.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarion_Workshop

>>15961681
>you need to realise that a higher quality piece will always be better than "I wrote X00,000 words in 3 months"
Tell that to Kerouac

Same with anything else, if you aren't a highly networked writer you aren't going anywhere.

>>15961734
That's real nice anon, I bet the twelve year olds that attended got a real kick out of it.

>>15961753
And this, of course.
Another reason to attend university - hoping a more prolific author is a lecturer that might humour you or that one of your classmates gets big.
I still don't understand people begging or hounding authors to notice them on twitter. Seems like the last thing you want to do.

>>15961774
>12 year olds
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Clarion_Writers_Workshop_alumni
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Clarion_West_Writers_Workshop_alumni

Octavia Butler
Ted Chiang
Glen Cook
Cory Doctorow
Kameron Hurley
Tamsyn Muir
Nnedi Okorafor
Tim Pratt
Kim Stanley Robinson
Bruce Sterling
Ian Tregillis
Daniel Abraham
Monte Cook
Kathleen Ann Goonan
Ann Leckie
...tons of others


Many famous instructors

>>15961797
All terrible.

>>15961797
Some instructors
Daniel Abraham
Octavia E. Butler
Orson Scott Card
Samuel R. Delany
Harlan Ellison
Neil Gaiman
Ursula K. Le Guin
George R. R. Martin
N. K. Jemisin
China Miéville
Chuck Palahniuk
Robert Silverberg
Charles Stross
Michael Swanwick
Vernor Vinge
Gene Wolfe
Roger Zelazny

>>15961809
All of those are terrible as well.

>>15961797
>>15961809
Just a hunch but did it ever occur to you that they attended after they were published authors?

>>15961805
>>15961822
Based

>>15961826
No, those are the invitation peer-to-peer ones rather than teach-student.

>>15961830
Thanks, it's difficult to find people in this thread who think Gene Wolfe is terrible.

Is there anything that comes close to the same level as paranormal mil-scifi/mil(-fantasy? Is that a thing?) as the later Metal Gears series?
I need something to fill the void after finishing Survive.

>>15961822
>>15961830
>>15961837
Name 5 of your favorite fantasy and sci fi writers from the last 50 years.

>>15961941
You wouldn't have heard of any of them.

>>15961946
REKT

>>15961941
You Rang?

>>15962109
How can one be powerful being be the perfect amalgam of cringe and based at the same time?

>>15960599
there is no way a 4channel user can write a better character than sand dan glokta

I'm probably expecting too much, but what are some fantasy/sci-fi books that explore deep philosophical themes?
I read Children of The Mind and OSC's way of handling philosophy made me want to vomit.

>>15962208
How very broad, vague, and unclear of you.

>>15962208
>explore deep philosophical themes
You can argue this applies for almost any book in existence

Giving away free downloads of my sci-fi novelette.

https://thecharlieborchardblog.wordpress.com/2020/07/25/off-world/

>>15962208
this book (mine) is My Dinner With Andre meets sci-fi conversation topics.
>>15962676

>>15960776
I think Matt and Trey's method is a very good rule of thumb.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGUNqq3jVLg

>>15962208
better have read book of the new sun

>>15961544
Sticks by Karl Edward Wagner.

I swear to God almost every fucking time an author tries to do a multiple perspective novel I end up hating a character I wouldn't have because the plot draws to Kelvin temperature when it's one of their chapters.

>>15963158
Question, what if the chapters are purposefully short? - like 500 to 200 words tops.

>>15961681
Sound advice.
One note I'd add; don't trust everything the linked Chicago University video says because that's academic writing.
I've seen it a few times myself and while it's useful, it's more beneficial for non-lit work.

>>15963194
Still painful as I'm suffering through garbage while waiting for the plot. Even worse when they spill over in the interesting POV chapters.

Recommend a noob something to start with. Non cucked

>>15963486
Childhood's End

>>15963486
The Mahabharata

>>15963486
Name of the Wind

>>15963545
no

Will I want to kill myself if the first book I read in years is hard scifi? Probably going to do it regardless

>>15961065
Sure you did

My novel has about 30 pages of rape scenes in total. Is this too much to get published?

>>15963634
Read Blindsight.

>>15963705
Is it one extremely long rape

N E W
˙B O O K S
°˙S O O N

>>15963493
this one

I got tricked into reading a LitRPG and actually enjoyed it. What are some fantasy or LitRPG books about non human or undead main characters

>>15963772
I almost gave in and read wandering inn once

>>15963762
No, it's several scenes. One includes the woman having her limbs amputated and being killed at the end.

>>15963709
>florida

>>15962162
The fact he causes so much butthurt makes me like him lol

>>15963818
>"this guys writing sucks"
>"wow, based he's making people so butthurt"

>>15963801
Also another scene may or may not include scat.

>>15961416
Dilate

>>15963869
Basically yes

>>15961573
>emerald lotus
Oh shit nigga I finished that like 2 days ago. It was fun_. The villain is literally a beta male with a oneitis problem, which was pretty funny.

Why do some writers write worse and worse with the passage of time? it makes no sense to me.

>>15964453
passion transforms into a chore with a paycheck as the goal.

..-. ..- -.-. -.- .-.-.- . .-.-.- .-- .. .-.. .-.. .. .- -- .-.-.- -... .-. --- .-- -.

finished powder mage 1, not bad. Fights are a little more interesting than in Codex Alera. The raping and slutshaming stuff prob wouldn't go over well if it were released now.

for me it is genie wolfman

>>15964453
most writers blow all their passion and creativity on their first couple of novels, it's just a paycheck past a certain point

>>15963800
Wandering Inn is trash, don't read it.

>>15963772
There are a lot of dungeon core POV novels. Those are non human.
Fun books:
The Beginning after the end
Underdog by Alexey Osadchuk
Skeleton in Space by Andries Louws
Blue Mage Raised by Dragons

>>15964821
>The raping and slutshaming stuff prob wouldn't go over well if it were released now.
What? They want to pretend like rape and slut shaming doesn't happening?

>>15960776
Start out with a compelling character so your audience is invested. Within the first page the audience should know
1. Who they are
2. Where they are
3. What they want.

Then, string all of your interesting ideas out in the order that makes the most logical sense. How much material do you have? If you want your book to be well paced, you should be introducing a new idea every two pages or so. If you have a section of the story that goes for more than that without anything happening that excites you as an author, throw it in the garbage. Chuck it. Timeskip past it, it isn't doing you any good.
If the beginning of your story doesn't have anything interesting, trash it and move the start of the story forward. Stories are about the most interesting parts of the character's lives.
Once you done that, look at how much you have left. Does it look more like a short story or a novel, or maybe even a series? Think about what option serves the story best. You might even consider whether another medium besides pure text would be best if you have access to other options.

This method has produced decent outlines for me. After this, you will of course continue to have new ideas while you write. Don't feel chained to the outline. Follow your inspirations and allow your characters and themes to develop naturally. Your story will get significantly longer as this happens, but that's okay. That's why we worked so hard to cut it down to size during the planning stage. It's much easier to grow a story than it is to shrink it.
Lastly, and I know this is a horrible cliche, but have fun while you write. Life's too short to suffer for your art. In my experience, when the author is suffering, the text suffers too. If you look forward to writing every day, you're doing something right.

>>15961051
Best I've read? The King of Elfland's Daughter.
It sucks in a general sense though. Without getting into spoilers, the ending is horrible garbage.

>>15961051
Kafka on the Shore

>>15964895
i think it would be handled differently and probably the parts about child rape be left out entirely

I'm currently reading Abaddon's Gate by James S.A. Corey. So far, I like it.
World of the Expanse is great though.

>>15964988
Sanitized revisionist history is the worst.

>>15963901
only trannies like dune

>>15965341
It's why dilating is on his mind. Trannies sell themselves out so easily. Dilating daily is so ingrained into their psyche that they use it as an insult because it's the hardest thing they have to do.

Any /sffg/ books that are explicitly anti-tranny?

>>15965412
Self publishing is the answer to everything.

>>15963890
Just write some fetish fan fiction and post it on some faggy website

>>15964895
>slut shaming doesn't happening
Please leave.

>>15960236
Any sff like this?

I wiped the blade against my jeans and walked into the bar. It was mid-afternoon, very
hot and still. The bar was deserted. I ordered a whisky. The barman looked at the blood
and asked:
‘God?’
‘Yeah.’
‘S’pose it’s time someone finished that hypocritical little punk, always bragging about
his old man’s power…’
He smiled crookedly, insinuatingly, a slight nausea shuddered through me. I replied
weakly:
‘It was kind of sick, he didn’t fight back or anything, just kept trying to touch me and
shit, like one of those dogs that try to fuck your leg. Something in me snapped, the
whingeing had ground me down too low. I really hated that sanctimonious little creep.’
‘So you snuffed him?’
‘Yeah, I’ve killed him, knifed the life out of him, once I started I got frenzied, it was
an ecstasy, I never knew I could hate so much.’
I felt very calm, slightly light-headed. The whisky tasted good, vaporizing in my
throat. We were silent for a few moments. The barman looked at me levelly, the edge of
his eyes twitching slightly with anxiety:
There’ll be trouble though, don’tcha think?’
‘I don’t give a shit, the threats are all used up, I just don’t give a shit.’
‘You know what they say about his old man? Ruthless bastard they say. Cruel…’
‘I just hope I’ve hurt him, if he even exists.’
‘Woulden wanna cross him merself,’ he muttered.
I wanted to say ‘yeah, well that’s where we differ’, but the energy for it wasn’t there.
The fan rotated languidly, casting spidery shadows across the room. We sat in silence a
little longer. The barman broke first:
‘So God’s dead?’
‘If that’s who he was. That fucking kid lied all the time. I just hope it’s true this time.’
The barman worked at one of his teeth with his tongue, uneasily:
‘It’s kindova big crime though, isn’t it? You know how it is, when one of the cops
goes down and everything’s dropped ’til they find the guy who did it. I mean, you’re not
just breaking a law, your breaking LAW.’
I scraped my finger along my jeans, and suspended it over the bar, so that a thick clot
of blood fell down into my whisky, and dissolved. I smiled:
‘Maybe it’s a big crime,’ I mused vaguely ‘but maybe it’s nothing at all…’ ‘…and we
have killed him’ writes Nietzsche, but—destituted of community—I crave a little time
with him on my own.
In perfect communion I lick the dagger foamed with God’s blood.

>>15965615
I changed the sentence structure and added things twice before posting. I missed I had to change happening to happen. Fuck off, autist, mistakes happenings (did it on purpose to piss your ocd into overdrive)

>>15964345
Based. Now read Road of Kings by Based Wagner.

>>15964453
>decide to finally check out Elric
>one site recommends reading the stories in chronological order
>the collection I downloaded has them in chronological order
>*shrugs*
>start reading them in chronological order
>get about two stories in and drop it
>stories just didn't click with me despite having all the right ingredients
>realize those two stories I read were stories written years after the original stories were written
>decide to give the first Elric stories Moorcock write in the 60s a spin
>they end up being MUCH better
Just a reminder to ALWAYS read a writer's work in written/published order. Not even the writer himself can be trusted if he says to read it in a certain order aside from written or publishing order.

>>15965637
>>>/lgbt/

Has anyone here read the codex alera series? I've been really enjoying it and have been wondering if anyone has recommendations for books like it.

>>15965630
yea there is a lot of garbage sff, i suggest brandon sanderson
>‘Yeah, I’ve killed him, knifed the life out of him, once I started I got frenzied, it was
an ecstasy, I never knew I could hate so much.'
come on dude

>>15966176
>yea there is a lot of garbage sff, i suggest brandon sanderson

>>15966176
>i suggest brandon sanderson

Anon.

>>15966230
Nice reading comprehension, faggot.

>>15966081
If you pressed f3 codex, it would have already showed up in this thread, newfag.

>>15966287
It's your exact word from your post. You fucking brainlet-readlet faggot.

>>15966313
>your
Now read the comment chain again, but try using your brain this time.

>>15966303
Ive already read all the powermage series faggot

Gaydon Faggerson is the Big Bang Theory of fantasy.

>>15963486
the dying earth
the hobbit

Has anyone else noticed a great increase in the number of books with multiple perspectives in /sffg/? And am I the only one who fucking hates them?

Recommend me some western cultivation novels.
I liked Cradle, First Step, Aether's Blessing and Azyl Academy. Cultivating Chaos was pretty bad.
I would prefer no litrpg/gamelit as that breaks my immersion. I also can't get invested into female MCs or most of the books written by females, so miss me with that shit.

Can someone please explain to me what is meant by "litrpg"?

>>15964732
... .--. .- -- -- . .-.

>>15966846
Game mechanics (levels, skills, exp, loot) as a part of the 'real world' inside the story. These stories are invariably trash.

>>15966846
think of it like an isekai anime that takes place inside an RPG

>>15966887
Western hacks seem to prefer game mechanics suddenly appearing on Earth rather than sending their MC to another universe, so it's not isekai, but otherwise yeah.

>>15966875
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You do realize that this is a site for adults. Using Morse as a 'secret code' is so fucking childish and cringy.

>>15967217
Just like reading science fiction and fantasy!

>>15967252
Touche.

>>15967165
How do you decode static images again? Gmask?

>>15967217
achkoevn orsieaoj ibroanie
Hints: not rot cipher, two steps

>>15967266
Use your eyes.

I haven't had sex in 36 years.
Sff books like that?

>>15965808
You are obsessed with this, let it fucking go

>>15967457
Dragon Heart Series.
Dude was a bed ridden movelet virgin, got isekai'd to a fantasy world. Popped his cherry in a prostitute.

Do people here also read LN or just western things? Who makes better fantasy? I haven't read anything desu just curious

>>15967689
LN belongs on /a/ or /co/, not /lit/.

>>15967689
Reading 3 lines at a time makes me want to kill something. I tried to play Marina's Cuckolding Report but I wound up just looking at the CGs online because I didn't have the patience.

>>15967689
I don't have a good impression of LN, but I haven't read a lot of them. But you should know that LN is not the same Japanese literature, it's more like YA, although the overall quality is more amateurish.

>>15967770
You're thinking of VN

>>15967536
Eat shit, queer.

>>15968028
Seriously, you are not well anon.

So I just finished Book of The New Sun for the first time. It took me years to do so, due to giving up after Shadow of The Torturer and Claw of The Conciliator. English isn't my first language, so reading BoTNS proved to be an exhausting task at times, especially due to me missing the point of some passages. As a result, I have read Shadow of The Torturer 4 times by now, Claw of the Conciliator 2 times and the third and forth books both once. The reason for my numerous restarts is that I would take a break and promptly forget the details. Having read the first book so many times has helped me realize things that I had missed simply due to rushing on.

I wanted now to talk about the book(s). I haven't yet read what comes after, but most probably will, at some point. Tell me about the meaning behind the play in the Claw, about the first man meshcia. I did not get what the meaning was there although I enjoyed the stories inside the story itself. I'm thinking of getting the books on my native language, to get some meanings more clearly. Any site or podcast that talks about the story? In the end I greatly enjoyed the story, but the last book felt the weakest of them to me. I'm not sure how I'd rank the others. In Citadel I wasn't that interested in the war, but I enjoyed the last 100 pages and the early parts, especially the story contest was interesting and the ascian mindset.

Tldr. Talk about Book of The New Sun :)

>>15968082
>>>/lgbt/

>>15962208
be more specific you dumb weeb

>>15968126
Last time I read it was 3 or 4 years ago so I don't remember a lot.
>the meaning behind the play in the Claw
I saw it as a foreshadowing device, in line with all the metafiction stuff in it. You'd have to read Urth of the New Sun to make sense of its meaning though.
It's basically a prophecy, like a Biblical one, except that instead of some guy having visions, or dreams or meeting angels while fully awake, it's a play. Not sure how Talos knows the plot though (might be inspired or stolen from something from the Hierogrammates). It could be a Genesis like tale from another universe, another planet. The fun in New Sun is transforming the text into your own stories.
Meschia and Meschiane are just analogues to Adam and Eve iirc.
>Any site or podcast that talks about the story?
Alzabo Soup has covered the entire BotNS but I prefer ReReading Wolfe
https://rereadingwolfe.podbean.com/
Sadly they're still on Book 1 afaik.

>>15968126
Kind of curious what kept drawing you back in, if you were frustrated enough to drop. I mean it's cool to have that kind of diligence, but unusual. Was there a special motivation?

>>15966786
i don't read modern books

>>15968126
Just the title of the play hints at what the meaning is. I guess it would be a bit more obvious if it were called Revelation and Genesis. I believe it's purpose was to give us an idea of what would happen to Urth when the New Sun arrived. In Urth of the New Sun Severian brings up how things that happened in the play are now happening to him for real. Meschia is the Adam figure for this new Urth that will come with the New Sun.

Alzabo Soup is currently the only podcast I know of that has episodes for the entire series.

Just finished book of the new sun. It was pure unadulterated litkino and doesn't deserve to reside amongst the dregs of this containment thread

That is all

>>15968331
a slightly vague plot and all you retards suddenly think a book is something special

>>15968213
>>15968244
Oh so the play will come into play in the later books. I got that it was Adam and Eve essentially, but didn't get what it was trying to convey with it. The giants in the seas will probably come into play in the following works?
>>15968238
My problems stem from me not understanding english at a native level and taking breaks between the books I read a lot and while I greatly enjoyed reading BoTNS, I'd take my break and forget some details, forcing myself to begin from the start later on. I was looking for something to read (it's vacation time of the year after all) and realized I still hadn't finished BoTNS, so I just decided to not take much of a break between books, as those easily stretch too much for me and powered through it. It taking years for me to complete is just that I read Shadow of The Torturer for the first time in high school and I wasn't ready for it back then.

>>15963890
Impressive

Just your daily reminder that ASOIAF is criminally underrated in this community, so as to be contrarian against its popularity in normie circles.

It is, without any competition, simply the best modern fantasy series by a long stride.

upboat!

>>15968494
Until it just fizzles out

>>15968494
>Just your daily reminder that ASOIAF is criminally underrated in this community, so as to be contrarian against its popularity in normie circles.

>It is, without any competition, simply the best modern fantasy series by a long stride.

>>15968494
Based

>>15968603
I heard Wong Dong Rong's Irreverent Jade Dragon Anabasis just updated. Shoo shoo

>>15968126
>Tldr. Talk about Book of The New Sun
no

>>15968671
>I heard Wong Dong Rong's Irreverent Jade Dragon Anabasis just updated. Shoo shoo

Any Heinlein recommendations? So far I've read:

Glory Road
Starship Troopers
Stranger in a Strange Land
The Moon is a Harsh Mistress

I liked Starship Troopers the best, but Glory Road was a close second.

Can you pinpoint the things you personally tend to find compelling in characters? What do you gravitate towards?

Any new rape novels released this year?

lmao
https://thewertzone.blogspot.com/2020/07/patrick-rothfusss-editor-confirms-she.html
>In somewhat surprising news, Patrick Rothfuss's editor Betsy Wollheim has reported that she is yet to read any material from his next novel, The Doors of Stone, the third and concluding volume in The Kingkiller Chronicle, and notes a lack of communication on the book's progress.

>"This article is right: authors don't owe their readership books, but what about the publishers who paid them? Book publishing is not as lucrative as many other professions, and publishers rely on their strongest sellers to keep their companies (especially small companies like DAW) afloat. When authors don't produce, it basically fucks their publishers. And I don't get the "blame the editor" part at all. Don't you think we editors want to publish the books we buy? That is just nuts. When I delayed the publication of book two, Pat was very open with his fans--they knew what was happening. I've never seen a word of book three."

>>15969531
Big news, if you are addicted to cuckold fantasies.

>>15969531
But anon, what of his involvement in funny Dungeons & Dragons series and sitting in front of thousands of Cheerios boxes?
Isn't that the content his readers want?
Because that's what he's being paid for. And boy must it pay well. From selling 10 Million units of arguably the most successful mainstream fantasy this (last?) decade, to sitting in a dirty office in front of a webcam making twitch videos.

I miss the time when an author was often a socially incompetent nerd that wrote for the sake of writing, and then realising that they hate the readers that made their books popular, so they shut themselves in and write more.
Sure you can have 'Oops, I rolled a 1, everyone please laugh.' and 'I'm going to talk my feewings on twitch about my laziness to write an end to a trilogy' - but you can also write at least a page in a day for fuck sake.

Is there anything like Neuromancer that dials it back on the cringe?

>>15969531
I don't trust Rothfuss to finish DoS in the current political climate. Who knows what bullshit he would try to shove in there?

>>15969748
The guy recently tweeted he had been diagnosed with ADHD. I don't trust him to finish the books, full stop.

Alright /ssfg/ I need some recommendations on smut, hit me with the degeneracy.

>>15969809

>>15969531
How can he have time to write novels when Black men are being kneeled on and gunned down in the streets by Trump's Nazi Police?

UUUGGGGHHHHHH
10 more hours of this. TEN MORE HOURS. Hobb is stretching out such a thread bare story. WHY?!
For comparison, the Assassin's apprentice was a little over 17 hours. Ship of Destiny is over 33 hours. Stuff that should have happened in the beginning or middle of book 2, are finally happening now in the latter third of book 3. So after 2 and 2/3rds books. NINETY TWO HOURS into the story, they FINALLY get around to revealing what was so bluntly foreshadowed since the first book: Kennit was raped as a boy, and now he hungers for boy flesh in some sick way to take back power, after feeling so powerless himself.

And they tie this DUH revelation with of course: the rape of the boy's sister. Kennit rationalizes that his action are different because Althea is a girl and she "likes him". So he drugs her with wine Cosby style and date rapes her. During which, she has nightmare flashbacks to a boy she fucked as a young girl. And in her memory, she wanted him, but the changed her mind mid-fucking. And then her sister shamed her when she told her about it. And so essentially, this whole series finally reveals its ultimate feminist value: regretting sex is akin to rape.

And there's still 10 hours of this. I have given up all hope or expectation now. I'm going to finish this. But only so I can say I have. But I no longer expect to like anything after this point. The plot is not that complex or deep or interesting to warrant the time sink. But I'm going to see it to the end anyway.

>>15969822
not him but surely that isn't the extent of the coomer books /lit/ has "approved" right?

>>15969871
Why are you still reading, or listening, to anything written by hobb after 50 pages?

When will the planetary romance genre be revived? Arent we tired of space operas and hard scifi? Just let me explore an exotic alien world ffs

>>15969906
Because when next time someone recommends The Live Ship Traders to an unsuspecting person, I can warn that person not to heed that advice. And not just as a simple minded hater like you are. But as someone who saw promise in the story, and learned disappointment. I can actually articulate why it should be avoided and speak with authority.

>>15969531
>In somewhat surprising news
>surprising

>>15968494
It really is great. I've never blown through a book series as quickly as that one.

There's a paperback of the Dunk and Egg short stories called "A knight of the seven kingdoms" with really pretty illustration out that's worth grabbing if you've already read all of the main series.

>>15969928
Check out The Last Ancestor.

>>15969871
cover art girl is really pretty

>>15969871
Listen fucker, I told you not to come herw whining after I warned you off of Hobb. Kys.

>>15969873
No. But it's as far as a chart goes. If you want, you can use the older women chart. It's full of smut. It's either in this thread or the last.

>>15970016
and in the OP as well

>>15970004
If I listened to every "don't read [author]" poster, then I would never read anything. There are contrary motherfuckers for every damn book.

>>15969928
you have literally hundreds of old planetary romance novels, i really doubt you have read them all.

Do you consider "The Road" to be fantasy?

>>15970067
I was hoping modern writers could elevate it beyond schlocky pulp

>>15970070
No but I would love to read a Cormac McCarthy Fantasy novel

>>15969728
In Mona Lisa Overdrive they say the nigger word.

>>15970385
wow i think it's time we cancel this bigot Gibson

>>15970029
It's universally agreed upon that female writers should always be avoided.

>>15970070
In the broadest sense of the word; yes.

This is probably a long shot and probably better to ask on /tg/, but have any of you read the 'Legend of the Five Rings; Clan War' series?
The GR rating of ~4* with 500 ratings seems pretty decent.

>>15970822
>have any of you read
No.
>legend of the five rings
Blatantly LotR knockoff garbage, I wouldn't bother if I were me.

>>15970822
>'Legend of the Five Rings;

Lmao do people have no shame anymore?

>>15970860
>>15970845
I never actually associated the two like that. Guess that's a my bad.
But otherwise for clarification, the rings aren't physical rings, they're sort of like not!Samurai or not!Buddhist tenets.

>>15960236
I literally just finished Dune and fucking hated it. Can anyone describe exactly what they found so great about it? I'm absolutely bewildered that its praised so much in every scifi community, let alone that its won awards and is somehow the best selling sci fi book of all time.
Apart from the mildly interesting ecological world-building of Arrakis, which itself is pretty flawed and largely corny, there wasn't a single thing i found compelling about the book. I can appreciate how it might've inspired later works like star wars, but that doesn't make it good.
The prose and the characters really ruined it for me - either i'm a retard and am missing something, or Frank herbert is the retard.
Please, explain.

>>15970979
You're the retard.

>>15970303
What the fuck did you think Blood Meridian was?

>>15970569
Imagine being this insecure.

>>15969531
hahaha, brilliant
for all the "sanderfag a hack" circlejerking /sffg/ gets up to, you've got to give the man props for not being an overentitled diva. i'll take a below-average yet consistent author over a below-average drama queen.

>>15970979
Shoo shoo
>>>/tv/

>>15968494
Agreed, but only til storm of swords. 4th and 5th were pretty disappointing. Hopefully GRRM delivers with the final 2.

>>15971001
Brandon Sanderson is the Roger Corman of /sffg/. His work is shit but he always delivers and all the hate is peppered with a bit of respect.

>>15968494
Books one and two were alright. Also, the part where frog-waifu narrates Lyanna's participation in the tourney was pretty nice.
After that, it's very apparent that in terms of complexity, the novel kind of got out of his control. This explains the delay between books five and six.
Also, somewhere down the line he must have suffered a stroke, which explains this magnificence: >>15970450

>>15968494
I can literally count 10 series it was contemporary with it that are better, never mind stand alone novels.

>>15971047
please be so kind as to list them out, my reading queue is quickly running out.

>>15970994
that ending was so trash though. how the fuck do you justify it?
The way the big bad baron dies to a fucking 2 year old, the fucking repeated sword fight bullshit - just - how?!
paul has to be the worst written protagonist.
The dialogue is also pathetic. The romance between chani and paul is the worst ive ever read.
I could go on and on. im actually fucking mad that i fell for this meme

>>15971060
>The way the big bad baron dies to a fucking 2 year old
Holy shit frens, I have figured it out.
That scene, you know that scene from Game of Thrones where BASED QUEEN YASSS Arya jumps out of the shadows and executes Donald Trump?
It was inspired by Dune! xD!!!

>>15971068
Wow, dune ruined GoT.
It all makes sense now

>>15970995
A Western based on real historical people?

>>15971059
Latro
Bujold's World of the Five Gods
Ilyum/Olympos if you're into weird references and modern pulp
Discworld(started before, continued after the last ASOIAF book)
The Bas-Lag series
His Dark Materials if you like children's adventures
The Sharing Knife
The Sarantine Mosaic
Wayne Barlowe's Hell novels
Almost everything Harry Turtledove does when he plays with history

Were SciFi/ Fantasy magazines really that good?

>>15970979
It's a pile of shit.

I actually liked the beginning purge, and the way they had to move across the sand. Everything else was dog shit.

>>15971098
If Blood Meridian of all things is not a nightmare fantasy I don't know what is.

>>15971112
Lmao kill yourself you fucking idiot

>>15971119
Someone's triggered

>>15970099
Can't be elevated above schlock because that's the essence of it. If you change that, it's no longer what it was.

>>15971112
Thank you. I've read His Dark Materials and found it to be pretty great.
I have heard pretty mixed reviews about The Sharing Knife, mostly that it's NTR degeneracy written by a woman with severely unresolved daddy issues (though I'll admit I may be confusing her with Hobb). I'll try the rest.

>>15960236
just finished the wheel of time series,

where can i go to read up on theories and foreshadowing?

>>15968494
No unfinished series deserves to be called the best anything, at least not while their fat fuck of an author still draws breath

>>15971150
Degeneracy is just code word for thing I don't like/I'm afraid to read anything that is not almost exactly the same as things I've read before.

It's honestly not as good as World of 5 Gods or Vorkosigan, but the idea of a tech collapse where the tech that was lost is actually magic is pretty interesting.

>>15971174
>the tech that was lost is actually magic
Sounds like fun; usually it's the other way around. I'll give it a look.

>>15971174
Not him, but would it be a good intro to Bujold? It seems to be the shortest and most self contained of the 3 you mentioned (a rec for any other series by her that you can drop after just one book would also be welcome)

>>15971204
Either Falling Free or the Curse of Chalion.

Falling Free because it's basically unrelated to all but one of the Vorkosigan novels, and that one is not necessary reading. CoC because it's likely her best singular novel, although Mirror Dance is up there.

I think her best work are the Vorkosigan novellas, Labyrinth, Mountains of Mourning and Borders of Infinity are absolutely exceptional, but you're gonna have to at least read of couple of the novels to understand what they're about.

>>15970999
It's true, karen.

>>15971223
Also, read them in internal chronological order. There's an autist around that keeps screeching about reading order: they were not published in the order they were written. And Bujold herself favors internal chronological order, so there's that

>>15971223
Thanks, I'll check them.
I'm just trying to get a feeling of her writing. The whole "eyes spinning" metaphor thing of the previous thread was kind of a bad omen for Hobbs and the only seemingly sane and similar alternative left for me (female writer who's not LeGuin or Anna Kavan or any of the crappy ones I suffered) was Bujold.

>>15971263
The issue with authoresses is that there's so few of them people are willing to overlook horrible writing just to pump them up. Jemisin and Hobb are only lauded because they are women and the standards are lower as to convince other women to pick up writing. Imho, Ursula is one of a kind, and Leckie, Bujold, Cherryh, Butler or Clarke are not and will not ever be there. They're pretty good though.

>>15971151
Lin Carter and Michael Moorcock are the best theorists of fantasy literature I know of. Wolfe too if you can find the Castle of the Otter somewhere(probably in the Castle of Days omnibus).

>>15969531
How come Rothfuss isnt as hated as Sanderson here?

>>15971289
I'd add Ellen Kushner and CS Friedman to that. At least on the boring and poor prose aspect.
>Clarke
The one who wrote Jonathan Sorrell? The writing seemed alright, but I haven't finished it.

>>15971312
>why is a successful nice guy hated more than the autistic, spiteful manchild on 4channel
dunno lol

>>15971312
Because he doesn't have a dedicated spammer like >>15960467

>>15971312
Rothfuss used to be hated quite often though. At least from the time of his second book, and not long ago people were posting some insane webcomic about the sexuality of his characters.
I guess it's because nobody cares about The Name of the Wind while some still insist Way of the Kings is fine.

>>15971440
>not long ago people were posting some insane webcomic about the sexuality of his characters.

>>15971665
This is beyond fucking awful. Like Oglaf for retards

>>15971665

>>15971665
Notice in the middle there's the guy that's conflicted about engaging in polyamory. He feels that it's wrong, but that's not acceptable. As the comic puts it: "We'll keep talking. We'll wait until you're comfortable." Concession is a foregone conclusion: you *will* agree, but we'll be patient in the meantime.

>>15971665
Why is Fela a nigger? What the fuck?

>>15972168
did typing that make you feel better?

>>15972210
Yes

Hello /sffg/. I've been playing a lot of Elder Scrolls recently and was wondering if there are any books that are similar in theme to the series? Something with a clearly defined set of races with distinct cultures, gods that interact with the world both positively and negatively and any interesting world building. Thanks.

>>15972210
Absolutely. Why is everyone being retroactively made a nigger?

>>15972210
sharing the pain makes it hurt less

>>15972210
Every time I say the word nigger my heart feels a little lighter. Nigger nigger nigger. Bliss.

>>15972331
maybe thats what he thinks mediterraneans looks like? shes supposed to have olive skin and dark hair, maybe the artist grabbed a shade too dark for the skin?

>>15972375
you are like the grinch. his heart grew three sizes with this post

Ok guys I'm ready to start another sci-fi series and I'm torn between demon princes and the century next door. I like vance a lot but I'm not in really sure about starting another huge dense series.
What do you recommend?

why didnt anyone tell me kj parker was continuing that wonderful little roman inspired book?

>>15972381
>ywn steal all the gifts from the little Who niggers and ruin their Christmas
Why even live bros?

>>15972386
If you're considerinf TCND, you may enjoy The Culture.

>>15971015
>Roger Corman of /sffg/
How old are you boomer? Or are you a tv transplant?

>>15972421
I will give it a check. thanks.

>>15972438
Just because I know who Corman is don't mean shit, I have a love of old and weird cinema.

I never really posted on /tv/, it was always a /co/-tier shithole

>>15972397
I told you.

>>15972235

>WoK, 29 - Errorgance
>"Huh, weird chapter title."
>Two female characters having a discussion about royalty, one says they are arrogant but not really.
>'...what would be the right word, then?'
>'I don't know, 'Errogant', perhaps.'
I had to stop my audiobook and pull up the book to make sure I wasn't being autistic. Holy fuck.
Fucking Sanderson. Him writing """""""witty""""""" dialogue is even worse after transitioning to audiobook.
Even the woman that said the line delivered it like 'Are you serious? Am I actually saying this?'
That's not even the worst to come I bet. This is so bad.

WoK is going on my recommend-to-avoid list for sure. Fuck.

>>15972397
I posted about it here when I found out

>>15960775
>The books I read are so fantastical that I can't self insert as anybody, because anything they do I can't replicate in real life.

You lack imagination Anon, don't you have a false sense of grandeur?.

>>15972533
Yes, the Shallan chapters.
I don't understand how he went from writing Mistborn with an okayish FeMC to le epic intelligent girl.
Also, isn't that pretty late into the book too? It feels like the editor just gave up at some point between the end of Part 2 and it's interludes.
It still makes me wonder how he was never mocked publicly for writing pic related when Way of Kings is riddled with below YA-level writing.

>>15970016
where is the older woman chart I can't find it

>>15972533
I always felt that Stormlight Archive was some shit someone who never made it into Blizzard's writing deparment would write to show them what they were missing.

Has it ever been confirmed if Brandersama played WoW?

What do you think of his recommendations?

>>15972753
I'd be extremely surprised if he didn't. With that said, Blizzard's writers are the one group of people in the entire world who are all without exception worse than anything Sanderson has ever written. At least Sanderson's storys have a start, middle and end, Blizzard's shit is barely even comprehensible, let alone coherent. It's like a story written by an algorithm, and not the learning machine kind. Just random strings of words that are grammatically correct, but with no meaning.

>>15972771
They are all straight and white and male and therefore he is going to hell.

>>15972771
And moments before, GRRM typed in 'Authors to recommend to people that like fantasy'.

>>15972753
>>15972779
Given that he writes in universe tutorials, I think he'd want to be a Bioware or Square Enix NA boy.

>>15972707
Never read Mistborn, and I don't think I will for quite a while.

Bumping this though >>15970822, I just want dynastic-Japan fantasy. ;_;

>>15972789
Why are you like this? Who hurt you?

>>15972771
His classics are solid, the modern stuff okay. I've no idea about the writers in the last paragraph.
>>15972789
I can't wait for you to get b&

>>15972803
>>15972779
I was talking about his aesthetics, but yeah, I guess his prose appeals more to teenagers and DnD people.
I couldn't help but think of the storm armor or whatever the fuck they were called, as ridiculous oversized shit Human paladins or wharever wore in WoW.

>>15972806
>>15972829
Why? I think this is valid criticism. Due to Straight White George's constant masturbation of other straight white dudes, so many people who deserve recognition don't get it.
>Why are you like this?
If George was not like this, N. K. Jemisin would have won her first Hugo two decades before she did.

>>15972897
Fatman is a huge feminist and constantly simps for female writers actually

>>15972902
This is very uncharitable but essentially correct. Starting with g a m e r g a t e he has atoned for his past problematic views. He should produce a new list of suggestions that are more in line with the better person he has become.

>>15961051
Titus trilogy by Mervyn Peake

>>15972789
>They are all straight and white and male
>>15972897
>I think this is valid criticism
That list has at least 4 women writers.

>>15972927
please tell me this is bait.

so alanna essentially raped rand when she bonded him? the fuck

>>15972993
women can't rape men, don't be absurd

>>15972993
Worse. The process of rape doesn't brainwash the victims into developing strong, unoverrideable feelings for their rapists (outside of niche doujins).

>>15971312
fantasy against anime.

>>15973067
anime is fantasy tho

>>15961051
Gormenghast

>>15973151
fuck off, it's bugman shite for pseuds

>>15969531
OH NONONONoo

>>15973171
Shut the fuck up

>>15969531
>>15973194
Perhaps it's all part of a ruse. The TV adaptation that was talked about ages ago is probably dead now and his publisher might be too small, has no leverage, to push for it.
Eventually he'd be dead weight and they'd be forced to sell the rights to the books to himself or a major publisher or something. Idk, I'm just speculating with little to no info because fuck Rothfuss and fuck Brandon Sanderson.

>>15973194
>>15973212
can't the publishers sue him or something?

>>15969531
>the reddit thread on this got locked because people kept insulting their cuck fantasy king
lmao

>>15973316
It would depend on the terms of his contract.

>>15973367
it's crazy to me that publishers just hand out these deals that allow writers to just not bother writing the books they agreed to

>>15973323
>cuck fantasy king
You're missing the point. /r/fantasy posts top at around 40000 upvotes. Fantasy is overrun by basic stacies at this point, and therefore a safe space must be created where the audience is encouraged to hold nothing but the most correct of opinions.
This is kind of the point I was making with >>15972789. These people are not in it for quality any longer. Fantasy may always have been to literature what metal is to music, but now they're cranking out Top Forty Pop and asking us to call it metal, and gods forbid if someone calls them on their horseshit.

>>15973418
what about sci-fi

>>15973427
Thankfully unscathed. Most adaptations are of space opera, and "dude I fucking love Star Wars!" morons are turned off pretty quickly when they try some of the seminal SF works. This is less so with fantasy.

>>15972967
If you can't recognize such obvious bait, you should probably lurk more.

>>15973418
In a way, I think this is good. It's forcing a dichotomy where you're either hard fucking core or just a passerby marveling at a genre. Driving the genre into niche where only people passionate about it will be a gift in disguise as a beating.

>mfw a woman thinks she can write a decent novel

>>15960236
Any /lit SciFi for somebody who reads Borges ?
I can't stand 99.9% of SciFi, it's either brainless adventure stories or edgy "deep" stuff for 20y olds, and the writing is abysmal.
Inb4:
Stanislav Lem
Brothers Strugatzki
Philip K Dick: Ubik
Le Guin and her Transsexual Aliens
Octavia Butler: Xenogenesis Trilogy
Vonnegut: Slaughterhouse Five
Abe Kobo: Inter Ice Age
Kazu Ishiguro: Never let me go

>>15973539
>mfw anon can't stop sucking dick

>>15973582
>anime pic

Shoo shoo

>>15973582
Gene Wolfe is the American heir to Borges

Spoilers for Blindsight and Echopraxia:
Is there any evidence in Blindsight for the idea in Echopraxia that Siri (the Siri narrating Blindsight from his coffin) may be an alien construct? If that were the case it would mean the entire novel Blindsight was from the perspective of an alien pretending to be human. I just read both back to back and I don't recall anything of that nature, though I of course wasn't looking for it. Nothing stands out to me in hindsight either, so I'm wondering if this is something the author came up with after the fact.

>>15973582
Island by G.O.

>>15973582
Vernor Vinge, Gene Simmons, and Iain Banks are all good. Arkady and Boris Strugatski are pretty based too.

>>15973597
Saw that coming, but NO. Anything else ? I'm starving here.

>>15973648
(That's Gene Wolfe, Dan Simmons)

>>15973648
NO, tried it, still not /lit enough. Better quality please.

>>15973650
no, go read Wolfe you humongous faggot cocksucking nigger

>>15973650
>>15973665
You're hard to please. Have you read that short story about a postapocalyptic abbey overlooking a bunch of nukes?

>>15973606
Too edgy, makes you feel smug for knowing what a Chinese Room is. Basically entry-level brainy SciFi.

>>15973692
>makes you feel smug for knowing what a Chinese Room is.
It explains what it is in the book though.

>>15973675
I did, and found it wanting, my dear homosexual black gentleman.

>>15973650
>>15973665
>>15973708
I answered your question here, fag: >>15973638

>>15973686
Canticle for Leibowitz ? Wasn't about Nukes, they stored and copied machine blueprints. And yes I did, one of the few SciFi books I enjoyed.

>>15973686
And while we're at /lit Post-Apocalyptic stuff: "The Road" and "Riddley Walker" are pretty good.

>>15973582
The Invention of Morel
Macedonio Fernández
Sigizmund Krzhizhanovsky
Delany's Neveryona perhaps. Read more LeGuin.

Not SF: Juan José Arreola, Cortázar's Bestiario, Bolaño (Nazi lit in Latin America, Distant Star maybe)

>>15973597
Unironically, this.

>>15973754
Already read "The Invention of Morel", and Macedonio is hard to get in English.
Delany is boring.
Inb4:
"The Cosmicomics" of Italo Calvino.
Shikasta by Doris Lessing.
Houellebecq's "The Possibility of an Island"

>>15973806
troll, ignored

>>15973754
Sigizmund Krzhizhanovsky sounds interesting though, and he's on Z-library. Thanks Anon.

>>15972525
Smugcraft was too smug for this world.

>>15973482
poe's law mate, I've already seen similar shit written in a totally non ironic way but the butterfly faggot.

>>15973716
No you didn't. You posted waifus.

>>15973863
It's a hard sci-fi visual novel.

>>15973880
"Visual Novel"

>>15973880
how much sex is there

>>15973880
And is the sex as hard as the SciFi ?

>>15973899
He's (you're?) the one who started with an anime picture, so don't complain to me.
>>15973904
It has no porn.

>>15973920
Plenty of non-erotic VNs out there, you know.

>>15973926
Sorry, if I had an Anime picture of Borges I would have posted that one. Any SciFi Novel with the feel of Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou ? No Light Novel please.

>>15973806
The Museum of Eterna's Novel is on b-ok.com

>>15973837
Some anon uploaded an Epub of his short stories
https://mega.nz/folder/qfREwS6I#7qhTYnpDTYYsGdPZRWhxJg

>>15973926
you're such a faggot, you convinced me to buy this game and I just know it's going to be lolicon cringe

>>15973978
Thanks for telling me about that Macedonio Novel.

NEW >>15974021 THREAD

>>15973997
It's honestly really good. Here's a review of it:
https://vnreviews.blog/2016/05/19/vn-island/

>>15973997
Just watch the anime

>>15974051
Do not do this, the anime adaption is terrible.

>>15973946
>non-erotic VN
Literally why would you bother?

>>15974117
Visual novels are better than non-visual novels.

>>15974131
and manga are better than VNs

>>15974131
> Visual novels are better than non-visual novels.
No, your brain is just unable to render enough polygons.

>>15974131
Are you one of those people the media keeps talking about, who are unable to form visual imagery in their heads?
I do not intend to be mean, I am genuinely curious. I am able to form vivid images of what I am reading, and visual adaptations only rarely stand up to the mark.

>>15974140
I can't stand manga, honestly. I don't know what it is about it, something about the presentation, but I hate reading it.
>>15974152
Not him, but I like them because they're capable of delivering this kind of immersive cathartic experience that's hard to find in other media. Not all of them can do it of course so I'm kind of picky about them. I'm able to visualize just fine, though I think the provided visuals and music do help on this front.

>>15974167
Also I might go so far as to say that the music helps more than the visuals.

>>15972707
>added depth to my books
This reminds of me of some old shitty WC3 mods that were totally broken I used to play back in the day that had "added more balance" in the patch notes.

>>15974152
I'm just drunk and want to shitpost.

>>15974275
Thread's past the bump limit anyway. Don't let me stop you.

honestly wolfe and borges plebs deserve anime responses

>>15965398
>>15965341
keep coping dilators

>>15965412
Dune