/lit/ - Literature

>>15944333
Good aesthetic here.

The Catholic Church is irreparably corrupt lol

>>15944354
I didn't say anything about the catholic church

Ben Shapiro new book

>>15944333
Underrated post. I either hear Conservatives kissing the Founding Fathers's asses or Antifa cucks saying they will reinstate Sharia Law in America.

No. Just move on. Do better.

>>15944407
Oh no the one who wants us living in soviet style blocks is here

>>15944333
The Decadent Society by Ross Douthat. It's like neo-con futurism, it's quite idealistic.

>>15944420
Why do you say these things?

>>15944333
No one has set forth a theory which prescribes a remedy to the West's decline. Most white nationalists a sitting on standby, waiting for the emergence of a post-American world. This means that white nationalists believe that decline must occur before advances can be made. Spengler and Toynbee are pessimists so their works will not help. I hold the belief that America and the Western European nations will start to break apart as a result of racial, cultural and political conflict, at which point whites will, in the aftermath of a serious conflict, build autonomous communities in which they can assert their destinies. But much of this vision requires a passing of the current order which necessitates a lot of pain. I cannot see a scenario in which the West can be restored. It has been hallowed out in total. I don't think there are many books, if any, which contain a optimistic outlook concerning the West. Most intellectual see that the West is in its death throes. How can one restore it? The law will not permit it. You'll violate a riot here or there. Is there even a willingness to restore it? I don't think so. Most whites, a majority, and the women in particular, are firmly liberal and thus decadent. How can the West be saved if women no longer wish to reproduce or feel obligated to pass on liberal mind virus to succeeding generations?

>>15944457
I know I shouldn't say it. Last thread like I got you to admit that western civilization was a thing and also that it's in decline. Way better than most lefties.

>>15944424
Yeah sounds kinda cringe

>>15944458
Is it possible the western societies have figured out how to mitigate all the problems in society and stop any forms of revolution/unrest through things like the EU/NATO it seems very unlikely that anything chaotic would happen in the first world and if it did it would be taken care of quickly.

Nick Griffin's upcoming book is on that. Not sure when it's out sadly.

https://youtu.be/nBXE39MkZx4

>>15944333
I hate women. ESPECIALLY WHITE WOMEN.
books about this feel?
also any books were based negroes kill white women?

>>15944333
When you're at the top, all you see is down.

>>15944333
Not necessarily a book but just promote christianity

>>15944333
who is this cutie

>>15944510
I don't think that's gonna work anymore

>>15944507
We are the bottom though

>>15944499
Far righters usually have extremely simplistic answers and usually no real prescriptions.

>>15944333
Mein Kampf, of course

>>15944333
All worthwhile books come from and are for the West.

>>15944407
You should count your blessings the west lets you be the dyke that you are.

>>15944639
Perhaps you are.

>>15944407
Pants shitting dyke who eats men's asses. Let's all listen to her.

>>15944801
Are you saying I'm western civilization

>>15944474
Without lefties you would be covered in shit pulling up turnips for your master.

>>15944813
Source?

>>15944809
Your notion of it, which is a result of your present lack of access to it. A peasant during Dante's time might make the same argument as you.

>>15944840
As yes please show me the light

>>15944813
By "lefties" do you mean the statist social democrats in the 19th century who actually impelled unions and worker's rights, or do you mean the tranny faggot goblinas who call themselves "lefties" today despite mostly having rich parents

>>15944849
Lol fucking btfoed

>>15944458
No one has a theory for why it's on the decline

What exactly is declining about western society?

>>15944918
Art, culture, lifestyle, economy

>>15944918
Because people are protesting so I guess it has been on the decline for centuries

>>15944925
This is just 'stop liking what I don't like' nonsense

>>15944925
All those things have been improving and people access to those things have become way easier. Even 30 years ago you couldn't just listen to whatever music or watch whatever movie you felt like.

>>15944934
This is just postmodern relativistic drivel which says anything goes

>>15944813
lefties 100+ years ago were more conservative than the hardest of hardcore migatards today, stop being delusional

>>15944943
You have to be 18 to post here newfriend

>>15944940
I want more paintings of boats

>>15944940
It's not about access. Notice I didn't say technology. How can you say art is improving when it's at the most obvious decline? I can go on about classical music but even just going back 60 years the music was beyond what we have now for any way you could measure music. Same for every other art form. For cultural I don't even think lefties would deny the loss of community. I also don't think they would deny the economics. Our money is worth less than what it was while costs of goods have gone up.

>>15944952
Nice argument

>>15944960
>just look around you bro it's obviously a decline

Argument when?

>>15944960
Its not declining. Art from before the 40s was boring as hell and the music being made now is better than it ever was. Maybe its just you and the rest of the world thinks other wise

>>15944967
Give me something to work with newfriend

>>15944967
>n-not an argument
>>>/pol/

>>15944973
>muh banana

>>15944981
>brings up random outlier gimmick that is only popular because of how outrageous it is
You literally are just proving the artists point by bringing it up

>>15944960
What is your measure of quality for art, and how do you reconcile this standard with the fact that there's never been a uniform means of evaluating art?

>>15944969
Do you think JK Rowling and Tolstoy are of equal quality?
>>15944973
I didn't argue that every single period before was of better quality. Obviously there are periods of stale art. I also didn't argue that all art was bad only today that it was in decline. Surely you don't think The Beatles and Lil Uzi Vert are of equal quality?

You have to become one of the 10,000 immortals who will steer the course of history in the next few decades. That's not "muh individualism" cope, because obviously with rare exceptions one person acting on their own can't do much, but as things continue to decline, opportunities will arise out of the instability and chaos for well positioned, well connected niggas with high IQ, skills and resources to make a difference in the right direction (emphasis on RIGHT). The question is whether you will be one of those people or just some loser nobody who has nothing to offer the cause because you wasted all your time shitposting and feeling blackpilled.

>>15945014
There is a uniform means of evaluating art? What do you think critics do when they critique things? They pick out the things in the art that we are able to measure.

>>15945015
I personally would rather listen to Lil Uzi Vert. I hope you don't actually think the Beatles are an example of peak art of something

>>15945015
>Do you think JK Rowling and Tolstoy are of equal quality?

No, but I also don't think you can pick two random authors and for whatever reason assume they are comparable as singular outlets of culture. Did Tolstoy write YA?

>>15945032
>I personally would rather listen to Lil Uzi Vert.
Postmodernists everyone

>>15944333
Take queue from the kikes. They've managed to maintain a consciousness of themselves whilst being spread out across the globe for thousands of years.

>sky high nepotism
>knowledge of history, yours and theirs
>making everything their business
>networking

>>15945028
>They pick out the things in the art that we are able to measure.
Exactly. For instance, Tolstoy's War and Peace scored 97 points on the Johnson & Burr Profundity Inventory, whereas The Cossacks only scored 65, which of course makes sense, given that he, at the time of writing the latter, had not undergone as many existential crisis of severity IV or greater.

Christ.

>>15945028
Why do critics disagree with each other?

>>15945041
Wait so quality is something that exists and it's also something that is measurable if we are able to compare two different people. If we can compare people can we compare genres?

>>15945028
What critics are these? Most serious literary criticism today involves interpretation rather than evaluation. There's a difference between book reviewers who are writing for a mass audience and scholarly critics.

>>15945053
I thought the board was high iq yet you have retarded takes like this. You would have to be retarded to think my point there was that critics are God and any judgement that comes out of that is the objective one. Reread it again and see if you understand the point.

>>15944918
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>>15944934

>>15945055
Even literary criticism (even though it declined due to postmodernism) doesn't deny the fact that there are things in literature that can be measured.

>>15945054
Quality is something that can be compared in specific contexts. Just because two people are writers doesn't mean they're comparable if one writer is trying to achieve one thing with their writing and the other is trying to achieve another. If Rowling set out to write the next great Russian novel with the HP series we could accurately say she had failed.

>>15945066
>Even literary criticism (even though it declined due to postmodernism) doesn't deny the fact that there are things in literature that can be measured.
Name them, and explain how you go from that to a evaluative statement concerning either the decline or prosperity of art.

>>15945058
Postmodernists everyone

>>15944333
Start growing your own food and building things.

We have to get off the supply chain of globohomo. We have to start eating our own food and building our own furniture, and opening our own schools. Nobody is coming to save us and the system has gone full luciferian-schizo mode. Just forget about it.

You don't have to build a farm, just a garden that can grow a decent amount of food. can even be on 1/4th acre. We have to disconnect from the system and start rebuilding on a very basic level.

>>15945044
What do you even think post modernism means? Revolution 9 is more post modern than anything Lil Uzi Vert has made

>>15945066
Do you even know the history of literary criticism? The different schools?

>>15945091
I agree, but we can't leave everything to the enemy either. For one, because they won't let us leave, and there's nowhere to go, but also because power is something that goes away. We have to compete for the top position or have it used against us.

Alternatives like you mentioned need to be developed on the side, but the end goal is to take power ourselves.

>>15944918
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>>15945113
You know faggots like you only love Nazis because (((directors))) made so many films about them

>>15944918
>>15944934

>>15945066
>Even literary criticism (even though it declined due to postmodernism) doesn't deny the fact that there are things in literature that can be measured.

I think your problem is that you don't understand what criticism means in a literary context.

>>15944918
>>15944925
>>15944934
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pN9DNUHS620

>>15945125
>he does it for free

>>15944918
>>15944934
based

>>15944918
Hordes of squatemalans with an unmatched fecundity.

High IQ people refuse to have children to further their careers.

These two facts bolster the argument that the USA is a demographic ticking time bomb, reminiscent of the portrayal of our future in "Idiocracy."

>>15945110
Whole system is collapsing, all of these institutions are finished. 1300 CEOs stepped down in 2019 and colleges are bleeding money and enrollment.

The old system is done and everyone clinging to it is gonna either starve or get enslaved. We gotta take steps to break away in practical ways.

>>15945091
>We have to disconnect from the system

Yeah OK dude lets all become like medieval peasants and hope that niggers and their Jew/Asian leftist overlords leave us alone. Running away from the problem has worked really well so far, we just have to run even further away.

>>15945084
So you are saying there is nothing that can be measured about both works? You really gonna take that line of reasoning?

>>15945086
Wait before do I answer do you critique in your own head anything you read or watch? Are you just blank the entire thing?

>>15945134
Why are you just repeating yourself? I already agreed with this.

>>15945107
Of course

>>15945110
>power is NOT* something that goes away.
Goddamnit, I hate when I forget a key word.

>>15945122
Please continue

>>15945120
I don't love nazis

>>15945136
No you're right man, culture has obviously declined because the economy has advanced to such a point that literate adolescents now have enough disposable income to influence what kinds of things are produced, compared to 150 years ago when only a quarter of the Russian population could even read and obviously Russia was the shining beacon of Western society back in the day.

>>15945084
Wait even better question is there anything you would consider in Tolstoy's league from our times?

>>15945157
I do.

>>15945157
A popular phrase in Germany, 1945

>>15945160
Nice pivot

>>15945136
Your problem is that you are more concerned about ranking works rather than understanding them. The western canon persists because those books, for the most part, have continued to stimulate complex discussion from which we can generate new ideas. The western canon isn't just a heritage of our best works, it's a repository of meanings that we continue to draw on. The function of criticism is to assess works for those meanings.

>>15945161
League of what? What are 'our times'?

>>15945169
You think this post compares to Tolstoy? Wow Western society has sure declined

>>15945177
Any league that you would put Tolstoy in. You already said you put Tolstoy in a higher bracket than Rowling. It doesn't have to be 19th russian lit and you don't have to compare them. Just something you would fine with accepting as being in the same bracket

>>15945135
>Yeah OK dude lets all become like medieval peasants
you are a clueless baby

>>15945141
my point is that there's nothing to fight over. we'll gain power by building something new, we don't need to struggle for the old institutions

>>15945186
I didn't say 'higher' at all - I've been talking about context. Please learn to read.

>>15945140
I do. I am not denying anything you say. I am asking you to explain it.

>>15945194
I think we could end this right now if you answered the question you tried by pivoting on.

>Can you explain anything that could be measured about both works?

>>15945197
I'm not here to spoonfeed you. You just conceded lol

>>15945204
Already told you bro. Context.

>>15945167
If you want to imagine an opponent instead of discussing with me, why even post?

>>15945215
I'm not asking you to compare them. I'm saying is there anything you can think of that both works can be measured by in it's singular context.

>>15945218
Discussing what? Your meme image?

>>15944918
>>15944934

>>15945219

>>15945084

>>15945230
You really are IQ. I'll ask it in parts to make it easier for you. Is there anyway you measure Harry Potter by itself?

>>15945239

>>15945215

>>15945245
So you don't measure Harry Potter in anyway then? I thought you already said you did here.

>>15945197

>>15945248
>So you don't measure Harry Potter in anyway then?

>>15945084

>>15945251
You are just baiting now lol

>>15945254
If Rowling set out to write the next great Russian novel with the HP series we could accurately say she had failed.

>>15944333
Is it possible that because military might was equalized somewhat (everyone has guns, and weak countries/organizations have guerilla tactics), the attempt of the US to be a world wide daddy is doomed to fail? Maybe we should think of the Syria, war torn countries, etc, like how we thought of pirate strongholds or small savage nation's - we could crush them, but it's not worth the effort, and anyway they'll just pop up someplace else?

>>15945259
I already said we aren't talking about Russian novels or Tolstoy. We are talking ONLY about Harry Potter in it's own context. What are you some ways you would measure the quality?

>>15945207
You're confusing anons. I asked one question:
>Name them [measurable elements of art], and explain how you go from that to a evaluative statement concerning either the decline or prosperity of art.
You then lashed out, and then declared yourself the victor. That's pretty stupid. You make two claims in >>15944960. 1) that there are measurable elements of art, and 2) that there is a measurable decline in art. You then completely falter on defending 2, which is the interesting point, and stand your ground on 1, which, for the purpose of this exchange, is a trivial and boring point (I'm not going to engage you in the finer points of philosophical hermeneutics, because frankly, I don't think you're equipped for it)

You're a belligerent, posturing idiot and this exchange will teach me nothing.

>>15945262
>>15945215

>>15944973
Rap needs to fuse with classical already, I'm bored of rap jazz. Bring in progressive storytelling, fusion, comon. We did it with rock.

>>15945276
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trapped_in_the_Closet

>>15945266
Yeah your baiting

>>15945015
The beatles and Lil Uzi vert are not an equal comparison. Maybe Beatles and Kanye.

>>15944918
Decline of the male and female archetypes

>>15945282
No you just can't figure out how to read between the lines. It's a garbage point anyway because it was only brought up in the -context- of a general decline in art. Comparing Tolstoy to Rowling is not going to achieve that point regardless of who in this argument you agree with.

>>15944918
Decline of the church
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_851GEsZQlM

>>15945263
You already acknowledged that you measure works of art yourself why would I defend something we both believe in? All I would say is we can use whatever those measurements are in putting different pieces of art into a bracket and use those brackets to a show decline. The only way to disagree with this would be to stay that the brackets are meaningless and there is no way of measuring a work of art.

>>15945291
I already told you 4 times we aren't comparing them. How dense are you?

>>15945262
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>>15945135
>Being so afraid of a boogey man that you resign yourself to drowning with the rest of the unwashed masses.
This the exact reason why shit is as bad as it is right now. No one brave enough to just restart somewhere else. rephrasing it as "running away" doesn't make you look like less of a coward for staying and doing nothing but bitch.

>>15945279
I'll give it a listen.

>>15945307
Nice evade

>>15944363
>>15944354
Here we see how trannies and coombrain losers cannot help but attack Christianity, even when literally nobody mentioned it. The mere sight of a nice church is enough to make these people sperg out.

>>15945262
Maturity can be one. It's childish, and shows very little of the (((human experience))).
Prose can be another, whether the flow is good or not. The enjoyment of the reader can be another, and we can talk about 'dumb' enjoyment or intellectual.

>>15944859
Ok dumb dumb.

>>15945320
You can't answer the question because you know you automatically lose when you do lmao

>>15945308
A man can choose to ignore the world around him and focus on his close friends and family, fostering in this circle the values he seeks. The question is, would the world turn faster from his values (because he no longer tries to change it) or revert, a bit (because his small sphere of stronger influence will reverberate, each affected person affecting others)

>>15944918

>>15945303
>You already acknowledged that you measure works of art yourself why would I defend something we both believe in?
Because it is reasonable to rehearse the reasons for your beliefs. Preaching to the choir is not discussion, it's intellectual laziness.
>All I would say is we can use whatever those measurements are in putting different pieces of art into a bracket and use those brackets to a show decline.
Yes, you are now repeating exactly what you said in >>15944960. Give an example of how you'd use a measurement to show a decline. Is it because there aren't as many notes in music anymore? Is it because there aren't as many rhymes in poetry anymore? What is it, and how does it support the idea of a decline?
>The only way to disagree with this would be to stay that the brackets are meaningless and there is no way of measuring a work of art.
No. You could just as easily throw out a term like "subjective", say "there's no accounting for taste", or claim arbitrarity. There are plenty of ways to accept the point that people measure and evaluate art when engaging with it, without committing to a belief that there can be an ultimate ranking in the final analysis.

>>15944918
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>>15945342
Sure, aren't you the same person also trying to convince me that you can measure a decline in art without comparing works from different periods?

>>15945330
>Maturity can be one. It's childish, and shows very little of the (((human experience))).

Why is childishness necessarily bad? Does Picasso's claim that he tries to paint like a child make his work bad? Who constitutes mature?

>Prose can be another, whether the flow is good or not.

What is good flow? Do you mean meter, rhythm, rhyme? There is much disagreement about this.

>The enjoyment of the reader can be another, and we can talk about 'dumb' enjoyment or intellectual.

This isn't measurable in a meaningful way.

>>15944918
Decline of marriage
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/sex/men-should-give-wives-permission-infidelity-christmas/

>>15945350

>>15945373
Get off the internet bro, it's not real life

>>15944918
Decline of the nuclear family

>>15945353
You can say subjective is a good argument but it isn't really. No one would take someone who eats literal shit seriously if they said it was better than a nice steak. I think it's easier to use cinema as an example becaise it's more obvious. If the audio is filled with static then you would say the film has bad audio or if the actors were not able to fit into their roles as intended you would say was bad acting. You can disagree with any judgements made using the measures but you would never disagree that the measurement itself is wrong. The way you would use to show a decline is to look at what's popular throw those things into the measurement calculator and whatever number comes out would show you a decline.

>>15944918
The decline of schools and the deconstruction of parents' role in the education of their own children

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>>15945370
I mean, the truth is that there is no objective right or wrong, only your right or wrong. You should work to foster your 'right', and fight against your 'wrong'. I think childishness is good, and a work that will help me be childish again is a good work, but a work that is only childish is fit only for children.
>How do you know your 'right' is correct
I don't.
>How do you choose it, then
I don't know, but you have to. Otherwise, why not stay comatose or move randomly about? You have to choose, from starting whether you want to eat or to starve, till choosing the values you want to see in the world.
>So just arbitrarily choose values?
Well, you can. I think you should adapt your values as you encounter real life challenges that make you question them. I don't have any set values, not yet. But I know I want me and my close circle to be happy. The rest will come in time.

>>15945384

Isn't it? Literally everyone spends significant parts of their day on the internet consuming internet media. How is that not real?

>>15945384
I get the whole "get off the internet" thing, but I'm not one of the extreme people and I spend relatively little time on the internet. And if you don't observe this degeneracy irl, you're either living in a bubble or are just not looking because it's everywhere

>>15945392
So War and Peace was popular even though 3/4 of the population couldn't read

>>15945435
No but it was at least being made and had a degree of popularity. There is nothing of the sort now.

>>15945423
The only 'decline' really is what young people observe in other young people because that's all they care about and that is the extent of their world. It's still rare to find a couple who is polyamorous even in younger queer circles, and they tend to be so young anyway that they're trying all sorts of shit in a way they think is consequence-free. But people grow up, have bad experiences that change them in these circumstances, etc. Cheating is very much still frowned upon. I've found that most people stay in relationships because they don't want to be alone. It's an unforgiving world. That's why covid has caused so many breakups when people realise just how little they like the person they're in a relationship with. Now imagine having to put up with two people in a relationship.

There's more going on than just news = truth, or even news = zeitgeist. It's an important part of viewing media that ironically the postmodernists were trying to warn you of.

>>15945441
At a very basic level, the very first analysis, one can attribute this to a change in society. Decline is another matter, and one that is steeped in metaphysics rather than objective measures.

>>15945467
Please continue

>>15945463
Yes, I just picked a more extreme example to put a visual symbol on it, but what actually matters is the large trend where the institution of marriage gets deconstructed because that's absolutely poisonous. The only way to convey that very logically is to post boring statistics

>>15944333
Just copy the kikes and do what they do, they'll never expect it

>>15945410
So what Albert Fish did was not objectively right or wrong

>>15945542
Yes, that's literally what postmodernism says. However, he is wrong, because it is wrong by my values and I will not let the world become a world where he is considered right. In other periods, being a serial killer was forgivable - as long as you killed the right people.

>>15945556
>>15945556
Postmodernism is self refuting and not a serious position. There are things that are objectively true that no one can disagree with.

>>15945121
that is true

all opinion columns operate on a divide and conquer basis(and tend to be worthless)

>>15945926
And?

>>15945226
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>>15945113
>>15945065

And one day, for no reason at all, people voted Hitler into power.

>>15944333
Daily reminder to fuck off back to /pol/ with your incel mommy won't change my diaper it's the world's fault bs
You might have thought it was cool and edgy back when Iguy first let you get onto the internet, but that was long, long ago, and you are nothing but a sad bore

>>15946460
wrong thread woops

>>15944333
just slay all those who decline.

>>15944333
>recover
It can’t be helped. Just sit back and enjoy the show.

>>15944813
Working as a peasant with half the year off work would be preferable to modern wage slavery

>>15944333
Lenin,
Mao,
Gramsci are good places to start. These authors like to write about rebuilding western society, seeing what problems exist and why they exist, and planning transition stages into something less degenerate and destructive.

>>15947944
>something less destructive
you cannot be serious

>>15947975
yes less destructive than patriarchy, the death cult of Christianity, moral destruction by consumerism, golf course culture, commodification of species being, the destruction of fascist hitlerist drug addicts. i could go on

>>15947991
Do you really think your efforts will produce what you want? This "destructive patriarchy" and "death cult" are patriarchy and Christianity gone wrong, and corrupted. Who's to say your beliefs won't be similarly misapplied?

>>15945373
>>15945391
Good, marriage is a slavery.

>>15948018
yes. furthermore capitalism and Christianity is working literally perfectly as it is meant to be, at the current moment. christian men beat their wives and kids in the highest number across a population, it's totally degenerate and part of patriarchy. you seem young

>>15947929
And with half the year drinking while cuddling with pigs for warmth.

>>15945391
Nuclear family is not traditional.

>>15945046
GUYS
WE MUST BECOME
THE KIKES
NEO-KIKES

>>15948041
>yes. furthermore capitalism and Christianity is working literally perfectly as it is meant to be
Incorrect, but I can see why you'd try to think it is so; it plays into your ideology.

>christian men beat their wives and kids in the highest number across a population
I doubt these "Christian men" are upright churchgoers who live by their beliefs. Furthermore, I don't see why a wife submitting to her husband means the husband absolutely needs to beat his wife, or that this is justified by Christianity. There is a difference between discipline (as you'd discipline a child) and a beatdown.

>it's totally degenerate
Degenerated from what?

>and part of patriarchy
And how do you propose to remedy this "patriarchy?" What exactly characterizes "patriarchy," according to you?

>you seem young
You'd be correct

>>15947991
All that Marxism brings is death and decay. It is a symptom of the reign of the economy and western decline. Not to mention marxist universalism is literally christcuckery 2.0

>>15948100
yes. higher religiosity and more involved in church leads to men who are more abusive and controlling of their wives and more likely to beat their children as punishment. I think you will eventually find out the things you like are the problem.

>>15944918
Icky gay people and minorities live near me and I don't like it >:(

>>15948061
Yes, pagan LARPing and getting conquered by more civilized societies is more traditional. Eating insects and not knowing how to farm is even more traditional. But let's come with real arguments

>>15948121
Yes, but higher religiosity is found among the poor, no? It could be the culture and poverty they're raised in. This shows that you must show there is a causal relationship between religion and wife-beating, especially considering the many religious individuals that do not beat their wives. Is it better if I go out and beat my political opponent, likely an innocent or defenseless person? Is that so much more laudable?

>>15948140
The nuclear family became widespread relatively recently due to industrialization making it viable. The traditional way for a family to operate was for multiple generations to exist under one roof. The disintegration of the nuclear family into individuals renting and having hookups was inevitable.

>>15944333
The Bible, it gives you rules that you just need to follow yourself and then enforce on others.
>ctrl+f bible
>0 results
wtf

>>15944354
It's nothing that a Stalinist purge couldn't fix

>>15947944
Yes because China today is sooo “trad and based 1!1” and not at all a degenerated and mechanistic nation of materialistic bug people

>>15944918
Nothing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLZGMcwi758

>>15948234
The Catholic Church is at the behest of secular governments and NGOs, not the other way around. They can't make any authoritarian moves to fix themselves.

>>15944333
>wearing makeup in church
Why are women so inherently corrupt?

>>15948273
Look at all the people in this very thread worshiping her/the "aesthetic" and you'll find your answer

>>15944407
>Leisure is the basis of culture
>not adversity

>>15948273
Being cute before men, but not before God is blasphemous.

>>15944333

Yes, it begins by cumming inside your wife. When are you available for me to come over?

>>15948273
She's been properly groomed by her Catholic Priest

>>15945391
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>>15948191
I have to correct the original post. I meant:
>Decline of traditional family structures

Nuclear family as in demon core family?

>>15948333

>>15948273
because you cannot punish them. power corrupts, attention corrupts. celebrities, women, parents, teachers, doctors are corrupt, they think they are best.

>>15944960
We are literally in a golden era of art. Never before was making art this easy for this many people. As i'm writing this shitpost artist out there are creating gold waiting to be discovered. Also: youre a faggot SAGE

>>15948394
>Never before was making art this easy for this many people

And that has never been a relevant factor in the quality of art. If anything, we see an inverse relationship.

>>15948061
In northern europe it dates back at least to the 14th century. The idea that it's an industrial innovation is false

>>15944813
Dumb. Napoleon had to clean up the shit that the left wing created and he did it with based autocracy. Read a book dude.

>>15944333
if I had not become an edgy atheist in my teens i would have had a lot more sex, look how many high iq qts attend mass

>>15948394
easy cum easy go

>>15946644
Yeah pictures taken out of context work like propaganda
no shit

>>15948678
If anything, context would make those pictures even worse.

>>15944652
found the Destiny fanboy

>>15948708
oh no a butt plug
that's why hitler was voted into power!
buttplugs!
not anything else like the economy crashing or anything

>>15944333
The west is not declining. Where did you get that idea?

>>15948716
Post nose.

>>15948723
do you have a nose fetish or something

>>15944918
women won't have sex with me. this is the kikes' and their pet niggers fault

>>15944925
>Art,
according to boomers
>culture,
according to boomers
>lifestyle,
according to boomers
>economy
economy was going great before covid

Rebuild deez nutz

>>15949646
>>15949680
>>15948720
Are you people really blind to the amount of mental suffering all around you? Society is made of individuals, and more and more individuals are sick with loneliness, depression and anxiety, particularly young people. Humans are clearly struggling with our unnatural way of life, and instead of addressing these problems, we mock each other with the same tired politicized insults. The path we're going down is not sustainable.

>>15945160
obviously Russia was the shining beacon of Western society back in the day.

>>15949680
>economy was going great before covid
beyond delusional. a "great economy" is one in which people can afford to own property and raise a family on one income

>>15944333
Communist Manifesto, State and Revolution

>>15944639

Not yet

>>15944973
there has been like 5 good albums in this millenium how can you say music is better than ever.

>>15950619
what were the five albums?
what were you sampling from?
the hit top 40 or something

>>15948567
Anon, I hate to break this to you, but as an actual Catholic there are no "qts" at mass. Any moderately attractive girl can basically live life as a permanent sex party.

>>15948191
Nuclear families were the norm in England since the 1300s lel, this is blatant Communist revisionism

>>15944458
It's simple. You ban birth control. You re-legalize marriage. You repatriate post-WW2 migrants. Then you win.

>>15948522
>>15950887
If it's not recent, why does it have "nuclear" in the name?
Checkmate, atheists.

>>15944333
Things will get worse in most trivial and insignificant ways in the grand scheme of history.
And those who have spent a significant amount of their efforts tearing down the west will realize their error, and work to reconstruct it, and some of them will be arrogant enough to delude themselves into thinking they've done it "right" "this time".

That which is successful will never completely disappear when there is the free movement of information.

Show tits

>>15944333
The only way to do it is to open a dialogue yourself, but you're going to be ostracized by nearly everyone, because this is considered too conservative and, in some circles, white nationalist.

>>15948708
You are an incredibly based fellow, a supreme gentleman of peak intellect.

>>15948074
It's unironically a good way to survive as a cultural and ethnic minority.

>>15945329
This. Name anyone from any other religion and nothing happens. Name Jesus Christ and demons begin to scream.

>>15944333

>>15950956
>when there is the free movement of information
that's a pretty big if

>>15944333
Thus Spoke Zarathustra

>>15944407
Shut the fuck up you dumb bitch

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>>15944333
>rebuild western society
What the fuck does that even mean?

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>>15944333
Read Epictetus, Marcus Aurelius and Nietzsche.

"Waste no more time arguing about what a good man should be. Be one."

Don't waste time trying to argue why the west is in decline. The people you are argueing with hate the west and want to waste your time, demoralise you, stop doing anything.

>>15944333
I don't know such books. >>15945091 is a good way: Seperate yourself from the hootpools, have many children, help them stay on the right path, connect with other likeminded people, build parallel structures, don't engage in structures that are against you, like Amazon, Twitter etc..
Thankfully parts of the internal anti-western forces (liberal, self-hating whites) have a very low fertility rate, whilst conservative white pro-western groups have high rates. So there is no way to zero for whites in the US, but rather a bounce in 50 years, but who knows what the future is going to look like.

>>15955454
The mormons should infiltrate the Catholic church and take control of it. It shouldn't be difficult, since the Catholic church has a dire need for priests outside of Africa and has even accepted faggots.
I have no idea what is going to happen in countries like Germany or Brazil which have very little white groups with high fertility. Probably some more boring version of Brazil where everybody is getting fatter and watching shit on Netflix.

>>15954818
Bring society back to it's glory days

>>15955475
What glory days?

>>15955545
where are you from?

>>15955470
>The mormons should infiltrate the Catholic church and take control of it.
Ridiculous posts like this should just get you banned for being underage desu, should the mormons also fuse into a giant mega zord and personally holocaust all the juice too?

Fucking child

>>15944354
And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Matthew 16:18
>>15944407
shut the fuck up tranny

>>15944407
More like
>Leisure, Basis of Decline into decadence.

Seriously you are a cancer.

>>15945226
Brah. Its not as if the Rothchilds have anything to do with Judaism really. The anti semitism of the nazis was fucked. They might have been right about other policy stuff but the antisemtism and the expansionism were wrong.
>>15944333
Maybe all we can do is embrace Islam. Whats wrong with that? Its far better than Christianity anyway.

>>15954818
shove shit back into asshole.

>>15950188
obviously you did not live in Russia. there's a TV, propaganda, and there's reality.

>>15950017
natalists are glad to create new people but fail to create purpose in life for them. you western faggots deserve what you have.

>>15955664
Shut the fuck up, schizo.

>>15955700
? Read up on the book a little. You might be surprised

nobody gave a fuck about moby dick when the novel came out. now people universally agree that it is fucking awesome. doesn't this make our time period far better than the 19th century?

>>15950935
>>15944375
underrated

>>15950290
>a "great economy" is one in which people can afford to own property and raise a family on one income
A trouble I’ve always had with the two-parent income household and rising cost of living problems is how we can determine the cause. Someone who is a little more jaded on capitalism would say the problem *is* laissez-faire economics and modernity, e.g. Tucker, but couldn’t it just as easily be because of government, such as welfare, rent control, zoning laws, etc?
I see the problem but don’t see how the evidence absolutely supports the populist right answer, it seems to me it could just as well support the libertarian right answer.