/lit/ - Literature

>>15938905
That Coleridge collection became quite expensive in the last months.

>>15938905
>In Xanadu did Kubla Khan
A stately pleasure-dome decree:
Where Alph, the sacred river, ran
Through caverns measureless to man
Down to a sunless sea.
So twice five miles of fertile ground
With walls and towers were girdled round;
And there were gardens bright with sinuous rills,
Where blossomed many an incense-bearing tree;
And here were forests ancient as the hills,
Enfolding sunny spots of greenery.

>>15938905
>penguin classics
cringe

>>15938905
I.

Yes, you, like a ghostly cricket, creaking where a house was burned:
"Dust and ashes, dead and done with, Venice spent what Venice earned.
"The soul, doubtless, is immortal—where a soul can be discerned.

>>15938928
Believe it or not, it's the best way to read these authors.

>>15938905
Dante, Baudelaire and Valéry.
I also like what Corneille does with verse. Currently trying to get into Gongora, he seems tremendous.
Haven't that much poetry otherwise, but Gautier seems great and Verlaine excellent (if uneven) from the little I've read of them.
Have not read enough English poetry to decide yet.

>>15938976
How so?

>>15939009
Most comprehensive collections and best notes around. Try to get the Oxford versions and for example, they ruined Byron by botching Don Juan and not including other good pieces, meanwhile Penguin published his Collected poetry and Don Juan separately.

>>15939058
Good to know thanks

>>15939009
>>15939058
Norton Edition for these poets is also very good.

>>15939133
I wanted to read keats stuff so nice rec

>>15938905
Below the thunders of the upper deep;
Far, far beneath in the abysmal sea,
His ancient, dreamless, uninvaded sleep
The Kraken sleepeth: faintest sunlights flee
About his shadowy sides: above him swell
Huge sponges of millennial growth and height;
And far away into the sickly light,
From many a wondrous grot and secret cell
Unnumbered and enormous polypi
Winnow with giant arms the slumbering green.
There hath he lain for ages and will lie
Battening upon huge sea-worms in his sleep,
Until the latter fire shall heat the deep;
Then once by man and angels to be seen,
In roaring he shall rise and on the surface die.

>>15938905
Homer, Nicanor Parra, Lord Byron, John Keats

>>15939240
>Nicanor Parra
Total meme onlty liked by shitleans.

Larkin and T.S. Eliot

Aleksandr Block, Sergei Esenin, Vladimir Mayakovsky

>>15938905
>poetry
Why do you assume i'm gay, anon?

>>15939462
based

baudelaire, nerval, pessoa for me

>>15939133
They have great paper and quality for paperbacks, but one nitpick is that is that they are almost excessively annotated, and the more you read the more knowledgeable you’ll become on random shit so the less you’ll need the notes which become distracting.

Also essay quality varies wildly from book to book and within each book. For example I thought the essays for Joyce’s Portrait were great while those for Dubliners were almost worthless. I wish there was some standardized review for the quality of each Norton edition. Like the Byron one I got took us through his entire biography in detail at the beginning of each new development of his work as they were so closely tied together, but the long form essays at the end were so-so

I can't into Poems.
I always feel like they are cheesy song lyrics written for overly romantic people in the past.
Please prove that I'm wrong because I also want to enjoy it.

>>15939871
Read Kubla Khan by Coleridge.

>>15939871
That's a way of seeing it, but for some, poetry is expression at his primal form, like literature, but more intimate.

>>15938905
Either Dickinson or Yeats for me.
Also Joyce's poetry is underrated.

Keats
Shelley
Tennyson
Swinburne
Yeats
Pound
Eliot
Jeffers
Thomas
Warren

>>15940216
>Thomas
Dylan Thomas?

>>15939871
Poems don't have to be soppy and emotional. Poetry is just as often funny, rousing or bawdy. Poetry is the best parts of litrature distilled, the most thoughtfull oneliners framed in the most interesting ways. Like all superior tastes however it's an acquired one.

>>15938905
I'm sorry anon, I really would like to tell you about my favourite poets but I'm not gay

>>15938905
Byron
Shelley
Tennyson
Pound
Milton
Dante
Swineburne
Rimbaud
Coleredge
Trakl
Hardy
Raleigh
Herrick
Vergil
Browning
Keats
Wordsworth
Ovid
Wilmot
Lovelace
Carew
Sidney
Chaucer
Donne
Spenser

>>15938905
I've only read Shakespeare, Sophocles, Homer, Ovid and Vergil. I liked all of them though

>>15940216
>>15940411
Based listposters.
Familiar with most of these, but I'll definitely check out the ones I'm not.

>>15938905
I don't read poetry, where should I start?
Spanish is my mother tongue btw. Quevedo, Bécquer, San Juan de la Cruz, Manrique?

>>15940634
Not Spanish, but just try some poems by all those guys. I'm sure you can find compilations of the best poems in Spanish as well. Maybe also read some poetic theory if you really wan't to get into it.

>>15940634
The Romantics are as good a place as any to get into poetry.
Ovid is also a good entry point.
If you insist on a Spanish poet, then Parra is good.

Blake>Keats>Wordsworth>Byron>Coleridge>Sh*lley

>>15941028
>If you insist on a Spanish poet, then Parra is good.
kek Parra is a meme. Neruda will always be Chile's best poet.

>>15941085
>Coleridge that low
Absolute bait.

>>15940859
Any books on poetic theory?

>>15941133
Agree. He should be lower. He's the least accomplished Romantic.

>>15938905

(In order of what comes to mind, not particularly by favourite)

Ted Hughes
Samuel Taylor Coleridge
Percy Shelley
Lord Byron
TS Eliot
Ezra Pound
HD
Emily Dickinson
William Blake
Alfred, Lord Tennyson
Robert Browning
Elizabeth Barrett Browning
Anne Sexton
Olga Broumas
Seamus Heaney
John Keats
John Ashbery
James Merrill
Allen Ginsberg (yes, yes, I know)
Rilke
William Wordsworth
William Butler Yeats

>>15941465
>>15941133
Though he's the least accomplished, I'll still defend his poetry and say it's just as complex and great as any of the other Romantics. Christabel, Rime of the Ancient Mariner, Aeolian Harp, and Kubla Khan btfo any Wordsworth poem

>>15941494
>HD
Whats that?

>>15941511
This.
I would also add Frost at Midnight.

>>15941511
>Christabel, Rime of the Ancient Mariner, Aeolian Harp, and Kubla Khan btfo any Wordsworth poem
Have you read The Prelude?

>>15941513
Hilda Doolittle. Fantastic poet. She was engaged to Ezra Pound for a while, but broke it off.

>>15941527
The Prelude is hands down the most overrated poem in English Literature. It has some great moments, don't get me wrong, but I was, and still am, not a fan of it.

>>15941573
>The Prelude is hands down the most overrated poem in English Literature.
That's not Ozymandias.

>>15941586
Ok, yeah, I agree. Ozymandias is pretty overrated as well.

>>15941586
Ozymandias is pretty cool. Sadly, pop culture has ruined it.

>>15938905
Any other Dryden bros in here?

>>15941606
Is Rime still safe or did pop culture get that one too?

>>15941630
That's safe, I think. But Ozymandias has appeared on Watchmen, Breaking Bad, and The Ballad of Buster Scruggs, just to mention some.

>>15938905
Goethe, Schiller, Hölderlin, Novalis, Rilke

>>15941658
It's a great poem, t b h.

How the fuck do you pronounce "Bysshe"? Bye-she? Bish? Bye-sh?

>>15938905
blake was who i lost my poetry virginity to
i'm very fond of ts eliot and baudelaire
in terms of postmodern poetry myung mi kim is my fav

>>15941686
Bish

>>15938905
I've always found it difficult to get into the English Romantics emotionally.

>>15941686
Bish

>>15941707
Favorite Blake poem? For me, it's The Garden of Love.

>>15941716
Funny because a big part of the Romantics was writing from emotions. Two poems I can recommend you are The Idiot Boy by William Wordsworth and Darkness by Lord Byron

>>15941748
the little black boy

>>15941748
Not the person you replied to, but I've always loved his prophetic poems, and I think they're still underrated

>>15938905
Where can I find the Collected Poetry of Lord Byron and of Shelley? It's always "selected."

>>15941764
He goes full BBC cuck in that one LMAO I forgot how cringe he was

This lad.

>>15941759
Something about them, too sensuous without enough depth of emotion. I enjoy it but sometimes it feels very ulterior to my personality, so this is very much a subjective critique within the realms of society.

Maybe it's that their focus on the emotional expression of the individual, becomes rootless to what the individual "is". I never found this problem in the German Romantics, but again I can still appreciate Keats or Coleridge emotionally it's just not y first choice.

>>15941716
Try "The Solitary Reaper" by Wordsworth and "To-" by Keats.

>>15941784
oh grow up

>>15941807
spoken like a true cuck.
don't even @ me lol

>>15941817
i think you should check out this website www.reddit.com it seems more suited to your style of humour, i would recommend waiting till you're at least 18 before you post here, thanks!

>>15941829
>loves n*gger poems
>gets called out
>"G-go back to R*ddit!"
Do cucks really...?

>>15941842
Go back to /pol/, fag.

>>15941851
>Go back to R*ddit!
>Go back to /pol/!
...said the confused n*ggerlover.

>>15941799
Will do.

>>15941807
>grow up11

>>15941912
Who keeps making these?

>>15941842

>>15941928
Grow up and then I'll tell you.

>>15941945
Ok, now what?

>>15940248
Yes Dylan Thomas

>>15941778
Shelley shamefully is only available in the expensive Longman edition and the expensive and incomplete Johns Hopkins edition. The Penguin and Oxford are slightly different selections.

>>15942040
>The Penguin and Oxford are slightly different selections.
Is one preferable to the other?

>>15941748

I just finished Songs of Innocence and Experience last night and found it very quaint. I'm trynna into the prophetic books. Favourite in songs of innocence was "on another's sorrow" (might've gotten the name kinda wrong) and my favourite in the songs of experience was "the tygre", which, I know is kind of a basic choice but it really is just a great poem.

>>15941784

I just read the poem and I don't see at all how it was cucky? It seemed kind of insouciant and insulting in some lines though I don't have my book on deck atm. Could you explain?

>Time held me green and dying
>Though I sang in my chains like the sea.

the best lines in all of English poetry

It's funny. I like poetry. But I'd go so far as to say there are no truly great poets.

>>15942436
>Dante is not great
>Milton is not great
kek you have your head far up you ass

Is there any Buddhist poetry?

>>15942084
Not who you replied to, butI prefer the Oxford selection.

>>15942461
Based.

>>15942615
sorry, new here. based on who?

>>15942735
Based is Desab backwards which is Arabic for "amazing beyond compare."

>>15942749
This.

Favorite is Gradinile Amagirii

>>15942461
Can you give me a passage from Dante or Milton that you consider to be great poetry? What makes them great poets in your estimation?

>>15942882
Not that anon, but here's a GOAT tier passage from Paradise Lost.
>Him the Almighty Power
>Hurld headlong flaming from th’ Ethereal Skie
>With hideous ruine and combustion down
>To bottomless perdition, there to dwellIn Adamantine Chains and penal Fire,
>Who durst defie th’ Omnipotent to Arms.
>Nine times the Space that measures Day and Night
>To mortal men, he with his horrid crew
>Lay vanquisht, rowling in the fiery Gulfe
>Confounded though immortal: But his doom
>Reserv’d him to more wrath; for now the thought
>Both of lost happiness and lasting pain
>Torments him; round he throws hisbaleful eyes
>That witness’d huge affliction and dismay
>Mixt with obdurate pride and stedfast hate:At once as far as Angels kenn he views
>The dismal Situation waste and wilde,
>A Dungeon horrible, on all sides round
>As one great Furnace flam’d, yet from those flames
>No light, but rather darkness visible
>Serv’d onely to discover sights of woe,
>Regions of sorrow, doleful shades, where peace
>And rest can never dwell, hope never comes
>That comes to all; but torture without end
>Still urges, and a fiery Deluge, fedalways provokes
>With ever-burning Sulphur unconsum’d

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dh6VvPoPQc

>>15938905

Glück
Dickinson
Barret Browning
Heaney
Crane
O’Hara
Donne
Auden
Yeats

I so liked Spring last year
Because you were here; –
The thrushes too –
Because it was these you so liked to hear –
I so liked you.

This year’s a different thing, –
I’ll not think of you.
But I’ll like the Spring because it is simply Spring
As the thrushes do.

- Mew

Song adaptation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IU5iqvhsP3g

>>15941664

In German, right?

>>15939462
>Aleksandr Block, Sergei Esenin, Vladimir Mayakovsky
Absolutely based. Mayakovsky is borderline impossible for me to get through in the original Russian though. I like Evtushenko, Lermontov, and Ezra Pound.

Georg Trakl
Antero de Quental
Lautréamont
Leopoldo María Panero
Edgar Allan Poe
Cruz e Souza
Villon
Dino Campana
Rimbaud
Mallarmé
Blake
T.S Elliot
Castro Alves
Ezra Pound
Bruno Tolentino
Rilke
Baudelaire
Nerval
Pessoa
Verhaeren
José Antonio Ramos Sucre
W.B Yeats
Artaud
Gerardo Mello Mourão
Dante
David

In no order, my favorites are Baudelaire, Milton, Keats, Yeats, and Ovid.

Borges is one of my favorite prose writers, but I hear his poetry is even better.

If you're thinking of reading Dante, I don't think he really comes through in English translations. Although, I hear Ciardi's translation is the most beautiful albeit less accurate than Mandelbaum's, which is the only version I've read.

>>15941094
>Neruda will always be Chile's best poet.
That doesn't speak very good about Chile's poetry

>>15938905
Alberto Caeiro
Alvaro Campos
Fernando Pessoa
Ricardo Reis

>>15943249
>Villon
Extremely based

rilke, tsvetaeva, yeats, eliot, cummings, pasternak, and akhmatova

>>15944270
He's a canonical poet in the Western canon. I don't know what else you want.

>>15944398
>muh canon
According to who? What great authors has he directly influenced? What's his great contribution?

>>15938905
>I've always been partial to the English Romantics.
Fuck Anglos and fuck the Romantic era.

Der einsame Backzahn einer Dirne,
die unbekannt verstorben war,
trug eine Goldplombe.
Die übrigen waren wie auf stille Verabredung
ausgegangen.
Den schlug der Leichendiener sich heraus,
versetzte ihn und ging für tanzen.
Denn, sagte er,
nur Erde solle zur Erde werden.

I'll say it right now because I know most of you are either thinking it or in denial about it.

Lord Byron sucks ass and was the Oscar Wilde of his time, a man more concerned with his persona than his actual work.

>>15944368
oh, and yehuda amichai

>>15944546
>According to who?
Harold Bloom and other scholars and critics.
>What great authors has he directly influenced?
Every posterior Hispanic American writer works under Neruda's shadow.
>What's his great contribution?
Residencia en la Tierra and Canto general

>>15944666
meant every Hispanic American poet*

>>15944614
>was the Oscar Wilde of his time
You say that like it's a bad thing.

>>15944614
Lord Byron's work is excellent, though.

>>15938905
Call me a pleb, but Ozymandias is genuinely one of the greatest poems of all time.

>>15944865
It's fantastic, but it is overrated af.

>>15944874
what do you mean overrated? Overused?

>>15944614
Contrarianism

We are as clouds that veil the midnight moon;
How restlessly they speed, and gleam, and quiver,
Streaking the darkness radiantly!—yet soon
Night closes round, and they are lost for ever:

Or like forgotten lyres, whose dissonant strings
Give various response to each varying blast,
To whose frail frame no second motion brings
One mood or modulation like the last.

We rest.—A dream has power to poison sleep;
We rise.—One wandering thought pollutes the day;
We feel, conceive or reason, laugh or weep;
Embrace fond woe, or cast our cares away:

It is the same!—For, be it joy or sorrow,
The path of its departure still is free:
Man's yesterday may ne'er be like his morrow;
Nought may endure but Mutability.

>>15938928
oooo edgy 4chan contrarian
Bet you hate Oxford World's Classics also

>>15945043
>Bet you hate Oxford World's Classics also

Byron's peak is Don Juan but it's more of a great digressive novel that was accidentally written in sometimes quite frankly doggerel rhyming.

>>15945093
Doesn't he pronounce Don Juan as "Don hooayn" or some shit in the poem? Fucking Anglos, I swear.

>>15944666
>Harold Bloom
kek I imagined you were going to name him, won't even say anything on that
>Every posterior Hispanic American writer works under Neruda's shadow.
Name some of them then
>Residencia en la Tierra and Canto general
Why are they significant?

>>15945093
Prometheus is his peak.

>>15945130
Are you talking about Prometheus Unbound? Because that's Shelley.

>>15945130
>>15945297
Scratch that, just discovered his poem Prometheus. I'm not that well versed in Byron, sadly. Mostly spend my time with Coleridge, Blake, and Shelley

>>15945304
Get to it, lad.

>>15945372
I've got that exact same edition (along with Penguin's Don Juan). I will after my summer semester is over. The amount I have to read until mid August is destroying me haha.

>>15945404
STEM?

>>15945413
No. English lit graduate student. Two courses in literary theory, one on Ulysses, and another on Eugene O'Neill, plus my thesis.

>>15945428
Based.

>>15945445
I honestly should've only taken three courses this semester. The amount of reading and writing is drowning me right now haha. Luckily I have read Ulysses quite a few times before this class, so I'm not struggling like most of my classmates.

>>15939058

How did they botch Don Juan?