/lit/ - Literature

>>15942590
what a repulsive looking human being

>>15942600
absolutely repulsive

>>15942590
>read Hume
>realise he’s right about everything
>see bundle theory everywhere and how political ideologies of myself and others are obviously just people reasoning out ways to fulfil their passions
>retreat from politics

>>15942639
>mfw classical liberals were right all along

The whole insight of Evola, Spengler, and most of the radical right is precisely that politics is downstream of other things (culture, religion, a volk, shared values, occasionally race, etc.).

>>15942590
I was christian conservative when reading scifi fantasy, bible and old history textbooks. Voted Dole first time.
Became “a-political” come 2000 election. They’re literally the same shit. Expanding my reading material and questioning religion. (Too many books to mention. You want to know?)
Brief period I considered myself a progressive liberal, found Chomsky and read a little introductory book on anarchism. Been discovering more and more as aI go “left”.
Again. You want a list of the books I’ve read?

>>15942600
What a weird opinion of a perfectly beautiful woman.

>>15942648
they didn't account for the JQ

>>15942590
>be retarded lolbert
>become wignat because lolberts are retarded
>still retarded
>read Nietzsche
>become more Wignat
>read Julius Evola - BTFOs nationalism
>become reactionary but don't really understand what hes saying
>read greeks
>read MacIntyre
>ok so Evola was kind of right but still dumb
>read Feser
>read more MacIntyre
>read NRx and its offshoots like Neoabsolutism
>read more obscure political theory
>now a theocrat
>>15942650
looks like you didn't read Spengler or Evola properly - a given political expression is predicted on UR Symbol which then gives rise to culture, religion, a volk, shared values
also if you read what Evola read (Italian Elitists) and Nietzsche, its pretty clear that a given system of belief only gains prominence because it is sponsored by an existing power
C.A. Bond does this quite well

>>15942590
Reading has made me a centrist, life and human interaction have made me near fascistic. Literature can convince you of the inherent goodness of man, reality will rudely make you aware a large majority of humans are too idiotic to even deserve basic rights

>>15942590
Somewhat similar. I became less concerned with ethic and nationalistic homogeneity and instead place more emphasis on ideological homogeneity. Granted, I'm not going to discount the possible correlation between the two. Also, I became less patriotic but more moral, am more hesitant to declare a conclusion but have far greater conviction when I do. It's possible that this is more the effect of maturity than literacy, however.

>>15942659
I’ve been reading the pomo Marxists but it seems like they’re just saying the same stuff the Traditionalists said 50 years ago but in a trippier way

I read Mein Kampf and reallize that my alt right way was wrong. I'm protesting for African Americans in Seattle now.

Politics is for monkeys

>>15942633
>>15942659
>NOOOOOOOOO HOW DARE YOU CRITICIZE MY PRECIOUS ASIAN PRINCESS WE'RE GONNA SAVE THE WHITE RACE TOGETHER!!!!!

>>15942776
Kierkegaard addresses the NPC question, denounces them as not human

>>15942590
When you're apolitical things like this happen.

>>15942789
Yeah dude super triggered right now

>>15942666
True

>>15942639
Read Spinoza and you’ll be ready for Deleuze

>>15942805
How would being politically engaged prevent NPC retardation

I’ve become more empathetic and understanding of people from different backgrounds than mine and thus have moved from being a centrist liberal to a full on leftist.

>>15942853
You negate her vote by voting for who she's not.

>>15942864
I'm empathetic to people from different backgrounds and live among them in my society, too but I didn't turn into a faggot

I'm pretty sure leftism is more strongly tied to sexuality than any real empathy for other human beings, but keep telling yourself otherwise.

>>15942908
You mean voting for trump?

>>15942931
I’m straight and confident in my sexuality. You seem to be projecting.

>>15942955
You should use your vote AGAINST bad ideas and not in favour of good ones. It's a lot easier to destroy than it is to change for the better. So you should view your vote as a protection against destruction and not a vote in favour of Trump.

I've become more disillusioned politically. I think too many people believe politics is a deity unto itself and I doubt they'll get the answers they want from it.

>>15942590
I became an epic Traditionalist overman

>>15942590
>be alt right dummy
>start getting into politics and reading and become a Syndicalist
>read even more and become a fascist
>read even more and realize politics are a waste of time

>Be a normal libcuck
>Read a bunch of ancom literature
>Become one
>Talk to my friends
>Realize it's stupid
>Become a geolibertarian

I read Leviathan and the thought of whiny first-year sociology cunts getting curb-stomped by a 17th century monarch was pretty satisfying, so I became more authoritarian. I realize it would suck for me too, but that warm fuzzy antihistamine-like schadenfreude would make it all worthwhile. Just imagine fresh videos of protesters getting hit by cars every day, except the cars are driven by nobility.

>>15942967
Oh, so you're closeted.

>>15942590
>be edgy teen and steal communist manifesto to annoy conservative parents
>read it called myself a commie
>bought a Che shirt and wore it one day to class and my teacher called me out
>didn't pay much attention to politics during high school/didn't really care
>depressed at uni
>get into peterson and centrist stuff
>realise its all hollow and the cause for a lot of the current fractured systems
>read Chomsky, Baudrillard, Foucault etc
>now anarchist

>>15943110
It isn't irrational to want a religious monarch to put order back into society

Anarcho-Tyranny is a common tactic employed by oppressive governments, typically communism and liberal democracy

>>15942590
>become wignat
>read a ton of books about the 3rd Reich
>realize Shitler was retarded and made a billion bad decisions
>read Lenin's books and biographies about Stalin and Lenin
>realize that communism was based
>read Why Liberalism Failed
>realize it's not Jews, but the ideology of the US causing the problem

>>15943199
>>read Why Liberalism Failed
>>realize it's not Jews, but the ideology of the US causing the problem

Really? do you rec reading Why Liberalism Failed? Looked like a gay normie book at glance

Was a liberal centrist in high school. Had my Ron Paul bit in 2012 because of his anti surveillance state and anti war stances. Went further to the right in college, swung back around to Bernie Sanders social democrat territory in 2016 but was admittedly a Bernie bro. 2017 was my brief alt right phase.

Ever since then I've gone further left. I'd say I identify as an anarcho communist/libertarian socialist, but in practice, I don't see those ideologies ever taking root and working on a broad scale. So I just consider myself a leftist. As I started to read regularly more and more over the past few years, engage in political activism, and gain a taste of destitution on a major scale, I would definitely say that reading broadly has made me question everything quite regularly, and I feel that it has payed me back in full many times over. I've learned a lot, and I'm thankful that I've had the opportunity to do so.

>>15942590
>How has reading changed your politics/worldview?
It didn't. At best Das Kapital opened my eyes that capitalism isn't a good system but I was just a 15 year old kid brainwashed by centrist news, so bet it would happen later either way.

The issue with philosophy and more political books is that they are all about faggots telling you theoretical crap blind to factors which destroy their ideas in the much more complex real world.

IMO it's more practical to figure your value system and then finding a side which represents it the closest. And obviously look for real examples of how the ideas played out in practice.

>>15943218
It's a good book, it explains why the US is the way it is far better than any other book I've read.

>>15943131
projecting hard

>>15942750
Different poster, but just engaging in power analysis like in Neoabsolutism can only tell you so much, because the existing powers in question are also headed by humans who live embedded within a religion/worldview in their own right, plus, although a lot is made of secure/insecure power, there's no such thing as a secure power in practice - every regime has its rebellious noblemen or oligarchs who need to be appeased. Even Islamic theocracies liberalize like modern-day Saudi Arabia.

>>15942590

The meaning of political ideologies has a lot to do with their practical application in the real world. People ITT claiming to be monarchists, traditionalists, Marxists, etc are foolish because none of these ideologies have any popular appeal, and the popular whimsy is critical in modern politics. If something doesn't have reach and clout, it is irrelevant. Doesn't matter if it is true or not, the political structure that causes the popular whimsy to be so important are unlikely to change any time soon. Maybe if Western countries had true political instability would radical politics be more salient

>>15943294
>in 2016 but was admittedly a Bernie bro. 2017 was my brief alt right phase. Ever since then I've gone further left.
D-dude, how. I somewhat get the switch from Bernie to aut-right, but going back and then further left seems just weird given the completely contrasting values.

>>15943396
he's naturally attracted to the psychology of extremism. that's why swings all over the political spectrum, from left to right and from libertarian to authoritarian, and then just repeats when he's no longer getting an emotional kick from his rebellious shitposting

>>15943346
>religion plays any role in public life and political decisions
>there are unironically private prisons
Just these two would explain entire US of A.

>>15943395
Why do you think "popular appeal" means anything when State propaganda organs can get people to cut their penises off? A democratic supermajority of people do not have "beliefs" or "opinions", they follow authority.

>>15943429
Why does everyone make a big deal of private prisons in the US when <10% of prisoners are in one? This is spun as some sort of profound injustice.

>>15943429
Brainlet tier

>>15943418
Kek, but wouldn't he just go deeper towards one side then? Ron Paul isn't too surprising for a Burger kid but afterwards Bernie sounded like a more conscious choice … going deeper intro communism or an anarchist branch of it should've been enough for the kicks without going full shizo with values.

>>15943437

>Why do you think "popular appeal" means anything when State propaganda organs can get people to cut their penises off? A democratic supermajority of people do not have "beliefs" or "opinions", they follow authority.

Our ""elites"" are drawn from the upper middle class. America has no high caste aristocracy or nobility

>>15943462
he's rebelling against his own values and the values of his influences, who he has grown tired of and now seem to him to reek of the same patronizing maternal guidance of a mother.

Supporting any political party is the most cucked thing you can do unless:
A) you personally know the person running for office
B) you are the person running for office
politics is a struggle for power and if you have nothing to gain then you're just a stepping stone. The most pathetic thing is the people who base their entire identity on supporting someone else they don't even know. How shallow and empty and debased can you get?

>>15942590
>Read Dante's Inferno, became atheist.
>Read Camus, became progressive degenerate.
>Some time later, read Hoppe, became Monarchist.
>Read Schmitt, Mussolini, Hitler, Oswald Mosley, Codreanu, became Fascist leaning.
>Read Aquinas and Spinoza, became theist again.
>Read Land, became Accelerationist.
>Read Junger, Deleuze, Baudrillard, Fisher, Linkola, Ligotti, Kaczynski, became confused.
>Read Horia Belcea, became utterly and profoundly retarded.

>>15943477
>Our ""elites"" are drawn from the upper middle class. America has no high caste aristocracy or nobility
What does this have to do with my post lel, I wasn't trying to make a point about how the American ruling class is unaristocratic or unrefined, which is trivially true - almost all Americans are degenerated humans. The point is that modern State propaganda outlets can get a democratic supermajority of people to believe ANYTHING in a fairly short amount of time.

>>15943452
The idea that the state would privatize something like prisons is unthinkable in civilized countries and shows that there almost no limits to what Muricans are willing to sell. Even <1% prisoners being in one is fucking cray. And the whole "yeah, we can leave essential service X to big business" attitude echos through the rest of Burger society, explains the anti-unions stance, how elections manage to cost so much and how acceptable lobbyists writing laws is.

>>15943513
Wait not Dante's inferno, lol. Just the fiction one by Dan Brown. Reading Horia Belcea has taken its toll on me.

>>15943500
>party A promises me something positive
>party B promises me something negative
Even as a stepping stone, I have lots to gain if the right party wins.

>>15942776
Exactly. We should have utopia for the 5% who understand Rich Piana and the rest should live in a work camp

>>15942590
If you like the girl on the pic then watch Tokyo Creative videos on Youtube there's a girl named Natasha who looks like that girl but prettier
Her instagram @ellespaz

>>15943516

Because the stock the elite are drawn from are themselves manipulated niggercattle, there is no creative agency from the top down, just an egotistical system that aggressively reinforces itself until it keels over into utter stagnancy

>>15943513
>>Read Dante's Inferno, became atheist.
why

>>15943572
>>15943538

>>15943491

Jesus christ you're projecting hard aren't you? Fuck man go outside. You're creepy.

>>15943396

To answer your question, I went through a profound crisis in my life. I lost an apartment and a good job. Basically my life completely fell apart. My savings was wiped, racked up massive credit card debt to stay alive, etc.

I was angry and bitter at the world, I was lost. So I turned to blaming women and feminism for my problems, PoC, etc.

I left the country for the first time in my life and when I came back I haven't seen the world the same since. Back then I wasn't nearly as attentive to the nuances of political positions. I have always been anti-establishment, and as that other guy suggested, I have definitely flipped around a lot. But in more recent years I've remained the most consistent. I am definitely a leftist, and I don't see that changing anytime soon. But anarcho communism is a pipe dream. I'd love to live in a stateless, class society, but it's highly unlikely we'll see that in our lfietime imo. I'll settle for being practical, and doing what I can to make the world a better place for all of us.

>>15943500
>>15943545
you don't have to be an npc to support a party, you just have to go to the polling booth.

>Fuck man go outside. You're creepy.

>>15943582
If you live in a two-party state. In normal countries it actually makes a difference.

>>15943567

Sorry, I do not think I reached my point: the system of propaganda in America is efficacious in persuading the elite themselves because there is no detachment and dissimulation, the propaganda is not coming from an outside perspective. It is unclear to what extent it is deception towards others, or self deception

>>15943567
This could apply just as well to the USSR, the PRC under Mao, Cambodia under Pol Pot, etc. there's nothing unique about America that makes it uniquely susceptible to propagandization outside from it being more evolved there due to modern propaganda techniques being invented and perfected in their modern form there.

>there is no creative agency from the top down, just an egotistical system that aggressively reinforces itself until it keels over into utter stagnancy
Not really, going back to my example in the first post, the transgender craze was largely funded into existence by one family (the Pritzkers). It's not simply "the system", a fairly small number of people within the intel agencies, oligarchy, etc. design and manufacture consent for all this.

>>15943580
Thanks for elaborating. Doesn't seems that outlandish with the extra context.

>>15943593
> It is unclear to what extent it is deception towards others, or self deception
They believe whatever version of left-liberalism they learned in college, everything else is deception towards others.

>>15942600
post wife

>>15943607

Of course.

I figured the bernie bro remark would have given it away. There was that old manufactured narrative that Bernie's base of support was mostly just angry white incels or misogynists or combination thereof, and admittedly (aside from the incel bit), I was a bernie bro in the stereotypical sense of the word. I was anti Clinton and anti establishment in 2016, and universal healthcare won me over when I heard Bernie speak, so I was all in with him despite being a misogynistic nitwit among other things at the time. This time around, this past year, I'd say it's been quite the stark contrast. I've definitely changed a lot since then. I'm more content with who I am and what I believe now, and I think reading a lot when I came back home a few years ago has definitely helped shape my views more and more.

Here's to you fren

>>15942600
Based. Kpop whores make me sick.

>dad makes me read john stuart mill as a kid
>fucking hate it and develop a knee-jerk negative reaction to all classical liberals as a result
>start reading more english materialists
>embarrassing phase where i was way into hobbes and quoted him constantly
>get my autism more under control
>now politically unaffiliated
i'd feel uncomfortable self-identifying as anything in particular until i'd done the requisite reading. i like a lot of the anarchist lit i've read, but i think that even though i agree with the identification of the problem i don't align with most of their proposed solutions. i feel the same way about marx

>>15943645
>There was that old manufactured narrative
I mean, hey, they even reused it in 2020. Though even with the actual negative examples, the misogyny I saw was more on the side of speech and dismissal of issues females face as less important, so still more than a few miles away from aut-right ideas.

Though if you went there as anti-establishment first, plus had a shitty moment in life it all adds up at least. Wonder how the political landscape would look in Burgerland if more people could afford going abroad.

>>15943549
48 hour arm workout and 48 hour Hegel session

>>15943693
Your dad is based for training your mind at an early age.

>>15943725

Honestly, it would probably be a lot more left wing and at least not so hostile to left wing ideals and values. People who have never left the country here do not realize just how far other countries have come within the past four decades alone. The world is at the point where now, from my point of view, is surpassing the United States in growth, technology, architecture, you name it. Meanwhile the U.S. is regressing and struggling to implement a basic national healthcare system and fix its roads. We couldn't even handle the pandemic properly.

I know many on this board will come out of the wood work to counteract this point, but U.S. citizens are by and large fucking stupid. Quite literally, most are dumber than dog shit. And it's not that they aren't capable. It's that the neoliberal hyper capitalist propaganda has them by the balls. Working class people here do not understand how much they could have because they've grown so accustomed to working with so little.

If the country could implement a universal healthcare system, free higher education at public colleges and universities, eliminated student debt, etc. I guarantee you the U.S. could catch up, if not surpass the rest of the world in development within the next 20-30 years. But I don't see it happening. The neo cons and the neo conservatives are running us into the ground.

I am trying to leave the U.S.

Living here as a working class person is Hell.

>>15943828
The US has been leftist from day one lel, it's just within the tradition of anarcho-liberalism rather than communism. No "worker solidarity" movement will ever exist in the United States because of race. Just look at how poorly the Sanders campaign did in 2020, it's basically forgotten, and the US now has pivoted to critical race theory as the State ideology.

>>15943882
do you feel there's an innate incompatibility between critical race theory and class solidarity? why would a coalitionary approach to race be an impossibility for us?

>>15943882
sadly this

>>15943828
>We couldn't even handle the pandemic properly.
Funny enough at least it doesn't even seem as much down to the horrible healthcare system and access but mostly idiotic administration – which also had to make common sense stuff some sort of political grandstanding.

Take UK (with admittedly fucked NHS after Tory years) or Sweden with a similar freedumbs approach (but much better health care).

>>15943882
France is one of the most blacked countries in Yurope and have the strongest unions culture.

US of A has a much bigger problem with boomers who are still stuck in the past when constant growth made it easier to overlook flaws of capitalism; and you see it in the numbers of Sander campaign too, when black boomers voted against their interests for someone sold to them as safe choice and going back to normal while younger darkies actually look forward.

>>15943882

They were actually doing quite well this time around. The COVID-19 pandemic blindsided the campaign. It was purely grassroots, and a lot of the campaigns success banked on door to door volunteering and calling people across the country on a daily basis, around the clock.

Couple this unexpected turn of events with the corporate centrists rallying behind Joe Biden at the last minute to stop Bernie from getting the nomination, with practically no work on Sanders part in the southern states with the black community, and you get what we have now.

He was the first presidential candidate to win the first three democratic primaries in a row and NOT become the presidential nominee for the party. Biden got a lot of help from the media, the elites, and Obama pushing the other candidates to drop out just before Super Tuesday.

Nobody should have really been that surprised to see the rest of the party stab him in the back. They hate Bernies guts because although flawed in some ways, he genuinely gives a fuck about people and not corporate america and their holdings.

I worked on Bernie's campaign as a volunteer. I made calls, I door knocked, I attended a couple of rallies. We could have won. I really think the COVID pandemic is what saved Joe Biden the trouble of having to fight for the nomination. We couldn't get out and flyer due to the pandemic. We could hardly do anything to make the campaign more personal for people, and I think that's what killed us. Turning up the heat after the two major losses following Super Tuesday would have only sewn more division and chaos. It's not what the country needed.

>>15943916
>do you feel there's an innate incompatibility between critical race theory and class solidarity?
One of the core points of the wildly popular "White Fragility" is that white people use appeals to class solidarity as a means to avoid discussion of racism. Critical race theory also has notions like "whiteness as property". Honestly, you can read critical race theory and white nationalist literature and notice very few differences indeed - it's just that critical race theory exhorts the reader to engage in Anti-Racism (in the sense of Ibram X. Kendi, e.g. discriminate against whites until equality of outcome is achieved) and white nationalist exhorts the reader to stop pitying non-whites. The Materialist (in the sense of Marx) viewpoint would largely be rejected as a White form of understanding.

>why would a coalitionary approach to race be an impossibility for us?
Frankly, because it would be dishonest as all race politics in the US is - it would mouth "equality" but be de facto paternalistic.

It says in the Declaration of Independence that all men are created equal. What are you going to do when the blacks notice that the Nomenklatura is 100% white, but we're all supposed to be truly equal this time because race is an epiphenomenon of capitalism, a bourgeois social construct created to divide the workers? Every major "call to equality" in the US has increased black anger at whites in the long run because whites keep saying "We're equal!" but equality of outcome is suspiciously absent.

>>15944000
Bernie never stood a chance against black boomers in the South.

>>15944000
Nah, Bernie lost before COVID. Probably around the time his Cali results weren't a total landslide. Centrists dropping out to unite behind Biden, Warren not dropping out despite having no hopes to win and the narrative of Biden being a save choice did Bernie in.

Though obviously it's still impressive to go as far as he did as basically a third party candidate who offered something fresh.

>>15944017
To be fair, at least this fuckers turned up. Zoomers and millennials forgot that the election isn't decided on social media.

>>15944000
Even if Bernie got the nomination, the media would do the same thing to him that they do to Trump. When CNN and the NY Times lie about Trump you gobble it up never considering if a leftist candidate was successful he would be shut down the same way. The way the media has treated Trump has shown me that if a socialist president somehow won, he would be impeached on day one and constantly attacked by the media for his entire term accomplishing nothing.

>>15943962
France is only BLACKED in the past few decades though, they don't have the weird history with race that the US does. You have a difficult situation in the US because the whites keep telling the blacks we're all equal, but it's obviously false, and the whites don't really believe it - the "Civilizing Mission" ideology is present in all mainstream US race politics, even though it will never be admitted. Obviously this infuriates the blacks because the racial wealth gap, arrest rates etc. don't change over time.

The general trend in US politics is that the more of a right-wing extremist you are, the more you see non-Asian minorities as adult humans with moral agency. Obviously there are exceptions. The US far-left, as in, extreme anarcho-liberals, sees blacks as a childlike revolutionary subject, around age 7-9 mentally, that will rise up with a childlike purity to redeem the country and bring about equality. The center-left sees them as perhaps 10-13 mentally - equal in theory, but in need of white tutelage to reach their potential as long as the center-right doesn't hold them back by being mean. The center-right sees them as around 14-17 mentally - still children, but only slightly inferior to whites, who just need to give the manager a firm handshake and work harder, we're all equal now after all!

>>15944057
Anyone who approached power without SOME backing from the oligarchy would just get assassinated.

>>15942590
>still believes political labels matter

>>15944017
Biden is wildly unpopular with blacks for a Democrat front runner

>>15944000
Bro i'm not trying to invalidate anything your ideas or feelings but politics in America is a dead end, I don't think there's even proof that any of it is real. It's very possible all of politics are paid actors on a payroll from the tavistock institute.

I also used to believe in politics, I volunteered on the Drumpf campaign in 2016 thinking it was real. America is every man for himself, unfortunately.

>>15944010
>The Materialist (in the sense of Marx) viewpoint would largely be rejected as a White form of understanding.
Basically this. Also critical race theory is astroturfed and only braindead NPCs find it interesting or exciting. DiAngelo's wikipedia originally said she was Jewish and it was scrubbed from the internet after /pol/ discovered it 3 days later. Very strange, saw it with my own eyes.

There is no ideology that can address or fix America's problems. We are falling into an era of barbarism, a eugenic evolutionary event is currently working through the historical process right now. The strong, shrewd, wise, hearty survivalists who have kids will survive and make it out to the other side. All of these NPC normietards aren't going to make it. Either by not reproducing or by whatever psyop the demons who rule this world throw at us next

>>15944057

So I think you're actually correct about some of that. The media definitely does a damn good job of making it seem like Trump does absolutely NOTHING of value I disagree with like 90% of what he has done in office. And you're absolutely correct that the media would do the same thing to Bernie once in office. However, Bernie winning the nomination and potentially the presidency means the democratic party would have to bend to his will eventually, whether they liked it or not. The democrats wouldn't be able to keep up the facade anymore about helping working class and middle class people. I mean think about it. What are they gonna do, they're gonna join in with the media and the neo cons and claim he's an extremist for wanting to give people livable wages and healthcare? Of course not. They'd have to swallow their pride and at least bend towards the left a bit more and less so to their corporate owners because he has the american public getting his back enmasse. If he could organize a massive grassroots campaign with over 10,000 people attending several rallies, what makes anyone believe if he won the presidency he wouldn't have been able to draw double that while in office, campaigning across the country for healthcare reform and infrastructure renewal projects? We seriously got fucked. We're incredibly fucked and people don't realize it. Unless Biden wakes up from his dementia coma, we're headed for total collapse within the decade unless someone acts fast.

>>15944113
Doesn't matter, they'll still vote for him. Besides, college and suburban whites have been largely successfully radicalized into adopting critical race theory. they don't really need blacks so badly anymore especially as Boomers die out.

>>15942815
>white virgin posting korean girls]
I cringed

>>15944010
i'm not gonna refute to the first part of your post. malcom x's advocacy for self-segregation or the "blaxit" thing (as much as i feel it was blown out of proportion) are ancillary, but examples of how the kind of thinking you're describing has been a part of the american intellectual landscape for a long time, and is still making gains. i don't agree with the rest of your post, though.
>What are you going to do when the blacks notice that the Nomenklatura is 100% white
why is this an inevitability?
> race is an epiphenomenon of capitalism, a bourgeois social construct created to divide the workers
that's antithetical to coalitionary politics. the idea is to pursue common goals without discounting the fact that populations are divided, and therefore have their own individual motives.
one of the main premises of coalitionary politics is that it actually strengthens collective national identity. if working class whites, blacks, asians, latinos etc. believe that their interests are tied to the maintenance of the coalition, they'll ideally be able to cooperate without discounting the reality - that divisions in culture and social standing exist.
i don't think marxist class-focused colorblindness would be any more helpful than what we currently have going on, but i also don't think it's the only option.

>>15944000
>We could have won
If Bernie had got the votes and made it into office you'd have lost anyway. It's always a loss there is no win. Might as well write yourself in on the ballot.

>>15944128
>However, Bernie winning the nomination and potentially the presidency means the democratic party would have to bend to his will eventually, whether they liked it or not.

No they wouldn't. Both parties are on the same payroll, they don't care about the will of the people or even the will of the president. How have you not figured this out with Trump yet

>we're headed for total collapse
The collapse is already here whether it happens this winter or in 10 years. This old fiat-currency central banking corporatism scam is over with nothing to replace it.

Now is a good time to plant a small garden with some basic food, find a necessary skill, and hold on tight

>>15944128
>However, Bernie winning the nomination and potentially the presidency means the democratic party would have to bend to his will eventually, whether they liked it or not.
Other way around.
>The democrats wouldn't be able to keep up the facade anymore about helping working class and middle class people.
"We need to talk about how appeals to the working class are a mask for racism."
>What are they gonna do, they're gonna join in with the media and the neo cons and claim he's an extremist for wanting to give people livable wages and healthcare?
Yes and it would work because they'd get college whites to go along with it. "Why are you giving racists health care?"
>They'd have to swallow their pride and at least bend towards the left a bit more and less so to their corporate owners because he has the american public getting his back enmasse.
In the worst case scenario, he would have an "accident" if the civil service and Congress couldn't neuter him.

>We seriously got fucked. We're incredibly fucked and people don't realize it. Unless Biden wakes up from his dementia coma, we're headed for total collapse within the decade unless someone acts fast.
Elections don't matter in the long run.

>>15944153
>why is this an inevitability?
All black movements that gain traction in the US are run by elite liberal whites. Yes this includes the Civil Rights Movement, this is why Malcolm X types were marginalized and didn't get money from the Ford Foundation.

>that's antithetical to coalitionary politics. the idea is to pursue common goals without discounting the fact that populations are divided, and therefore have their own individual motives.
>if working class whites, blacks, asians, latinos etc. believe that their interests are tied to the maintenance of the coalition, they'll ideally be able to cooperate without discounting the reality - that divisions in culture and social standing exist.
The reality of those "coalitionary politics" in the US will be whites and "white-adjacents" paying to take care of blacks. This is just going to make everyone resentful - non-Nomenklatura whites will be resentful about having to pay for things, Nomenklatura whites and blacks will be angry that we don't have equality of outcome yet. You can't just paper this over with infrastructure spending and Medicare, because you're STILL not going to have equality after all that. It would be more macro-efficient for the US to abolish the whole Civil Rights bureaucracy and pay every black a salary to do absolutely nothing.

>>15942590
>>realize politics is irrelevant, downstream from many other things
>>become a-political centrist
Cringe. Political apathy is for retards. Politics isn't irrelevant. Socioeconomic philosophy isn't irrelevant. They all shape our life in powerful ways because they undergird the organization of our social relations.

>>15944274
If you aren't a billionaire or on one's payroll you don't have a role in politics, so you may as well just be apathetic.

>>15942590
>able to argue without getting mad anymore
>able to take criticism
>now have deeper meaningful conversations with people
>no longer fill my mind presumptuous/judgemental thoughts
>sex is no longer important
>no longer jerk off
>haven't played video games for 6 months due to books
>am able to ignore political discussion due to no longer
>stopped using social media

My only problem now is that I come off vain to people who try bring the old me out. Most of the stuff I learned from age and 4chan but the constant thinking thanks to books keeps me preoccupied. I still have a few negative traits I'd like to get past.

>>15944300
Spoken like a true liberal who wants billionaires to do whatever they want to protect the status quo of unfettered capitalism

>>15943828
>If the country could implement a universal healthcare system
Oh yeah more national debt
>free higher education at public colleges and universities
Oh yeah more worthless degrees and lowered incomes for the people in the only strata that has improved its wages in the past 40 years
>eliminated student debt
Oh yeah teach a generation that they’re not accountable for their own debt

>>15943538
Like when a fish dies because the filter is too strong on it

>>15944527
Not that anon but usury is fucking gay.

>>15944374
>able to argue without getting mad anymore
If you're arguing with a moron you should get mad, and physical. It's all they really understand. You sound like a passive little faggot who lets himself get fucked around.

>>15944527
Universal healthcare would be MUCH cheaper in the long run. The biggest drain when it comes to health care costs are the insurance company parasites around it. If a country could negotiate the prices for meds, these would be cheaper too.
>worthless degrees and lowered incomes
Pick one meme.
>they’re not accountable for their own debt
Debt they are forced to take due an education system that makes YA dystopias seem reasonable.

>>15944736
>Universal healthcare would be MUCH cheaper in the long run
Proof?

>>15944736
Not that guy, but universal healthcare sucks shit. The emergency rooms are filled with fucking retards who have a sniffle or a cough and meanwhile you have to wait behind them for 6-7 hours minimum with your broken arm because it's first come first serve. Medication isn't covered under universal healthcare and neither is the ambulance so it doesn't matter, you're still footing the bill. I'd rather take a fucking cab to the clinic than call 9/11 and go to the emergency room. I get to hear a bunch of stupid faggot Americans whine about how Canadian healthcare is free while I pay for my tension headache meds 20$ a pill.

>>15944719
People are more likely to believe you if you are calmer and don't insult them, plus the argument is usually more enjoyable that way. But if you go ahead and call someone a passive little faggot, everything you said beforehand gets thrown out the window.
If we both called each other faggots when we were arguing a point, nothing would ever change. If I'm nice and understanding, I believe I have more of a chance of changing someone's mind or at least opening up their mind.

Maybe you need to rethink the way you convey or argue a point. For example you aren't even arguing with me but you called me a faggot, which in my mind, invalidates everything you said beforehand. At least if you didn't use insults, I'd maybe think about your opinion a little more. Not that they affect, it just makes you look stupid, and reminds me of what I used to do. .

I'm also extremely happy with my life and I feel no need to 'win' an argument. Generally I'm right though. Whereas back in the day I would get mad and I was wrong.
Getting mad is dumb and a waste of time, to put in perspective, the last time I got mad was when my brother asked me to give him $2 for petrol after I used his car to buy me and himself food.

>>15944827
>um sweaty you said (x) so it invalidates your point
This is the type of passive aggressive snarky moron answer that I'd say warrants a violent response. The type of fucking faggot that tells an angry person to "calm down bro take a pill reassess yourself " and promptly gets severely brain damaged.

>>15944857
Do you need a tissue for your issue?

But yeah psychologically it invalidates your point for whoever you call a faggot. Sure it could be true, but it's now invalid because you insulted the person. Get that through your skull before you break someone's skull

>>15944873
If you refuse to believe something out of spite for someone you deserve a broken skull.

>>15942590
>read the greeks
>become slightly more chill
Politics have not really changed.

Derrida opened my eyes to the metaphysics of presence that operates in all politics, legislation, art, popular science, etc.

>>15944878
Well then you may as well save yourself some trouble and break everyone's skull because it's a very common way of thinking! Lots of people have feelings, emotions, mental illness. You're much better off just no insulting people when you are trying to change someone's mind it's really that simple.
Do you know of any world renowned philosopher, lecturer, scientist, or government call their own readers a cunt or a faggot to prove their point?

>>15942805
Who

>>15944906
I hold infinitely more respect for warlords who clear out towns due to petty differences, than the weak minded, passive, apathetic types you hold so dear. Compromise is a tool used by those who are in the wrong and too weak to back their ideas with force. No one should seek for compromise in ideas. All it does is reduce everything to it's lowest common denominator. Your type of faggy posturing attitude does more to turn people away than any direct insult. People "see you as vain" because you are vain and posture yourself as some sort of intellectual. The intellectual is a plague on mankind that only the brute can extinguish.

>found /b/
I was deep into conspiracy theories, like the NWO & jet fuel can't melt steel beams &c, nihilism, the occult & Gnosticism.
>found /lit/
Now I'm a progressive, globalist, BLM supporter, supporter of a future one world government, skeptic & Catholic.

>Read Leviathan
>read Land
>read Asimov Foundation books
>read Marx
>read Camus
>read Zhou Enlai
>read the nine billion names of god
>read democracy in america
>burn all my books to establish dominace over the earth

Anyone else?

>>15944962
>I'm a progressive, globalist, BLM supporter, supporter of a future one world government, skeptic
Based and actually red pilled.

>>15942590
I think that reading camus, uncle ted, tolstoy, o'connor, and faulkner made become a classic liberal.

>>15944857
>>15944719
Imagine getting angry enough at an NPC to actually physically assault them, putting yourself at severe liability.

If you would actually waste your time raging at NPCs, you are an NPC

>>15945068
>implying I would initiate the argument
This only if some faggot insists on pestering me for long enough. If I tell you to fuck off and stop talking to me, and you don't, not only that but you tag along like I'm your fucking nanny then don't be surprised.

>>15942659
>Expanding my reading material and questioning religion. (Too many books to mention. You want to know?)
You mean tidbits from Epicurus, Nietzsche, and Stirner, "too many books," ctfu.

>>15944951
>your type of fatty attitude does more.to turn people away than any direct insult
Psychologically and logically that's an incorrect statement. I've changed and allowed others to think differently when I finally changed my attitude as to not insult people who disagree with me. I used to hold the same mindset as you and quickly grew out of that when I realised how many times I wasted my time on 'idiots' who didn't know what they were talking about, when really it was me being a complete spastic and calling people names.

Also, I know why people may see me as 'vain,' no one has told me but I believe it due to my own insecurities.

I could also say the same about you, I could say you are actually the one posing as an intellectual, you think you are somewhat right by justifying the fact, that your method of arguments is right, yet you argue with the most easiest, but hurtful response, that quickly results in a reaction, 'fighting words' that I would call it.
And now you're back to insulting me because you are unhappy about my response. I'm not sure what more you want from this argument except to call me a faggot again?

>>15944968
>that pic
Lmao

>>15944968
Basado.

>>15942590
>Politics is downstream
No shit, politics is downstream from culture which is downstream from race.

>>15945142
>your type of fatty attitude does more.to turn people away than any direct insult
>can't even greentext right
Yeah you're a fag buddy. When you go around telling people "I used to be like you, but now I'm better than you and you are my lesser" it does far more to undermine your argument than calling someone a dipshit or a moron.
>I could say you are actually the one posing as an intellectual
You could, but you'd be demonstrably incorrect, as this whole time I've haven't postured as some kind of oh so enlightened know-it-all, as opposed to you. I am not "unhappy with your response", you're annoying, unlikable, and a fag. If you stuck your head out your ass once in a while and took the time to read what you've written you'd notice you're unbearably pretentious and self-saturated.

>>15942659
You voted in 2000? wtf

>>15945187
This bitch is a decrepit old hag don't pay any mind.

>>15945184
Yes I reacted that way because you're being an ass? Does that not prove my point more? I haven't even had an argument like this since I was 17 years old, which really says a lot. This whole argument reeks of those old YouTube comment section arguments, and you are just as much of a fag as I am.
Call people fags all you want but don't be a spaz and smash someone's skull in.

>>15942781
There's no such thing as a "pomo Marxist". Just read Marx, Proudhon, Kropotkin, Chomsky, etc. Postmodernism is literal gibberish.

Read marx, got laid, now a leftist

>>15945217
>everybody look at me I am so above insults look at how enlightened I am
>Yes I reacted that way because you're being an ass?
>you are just as much of a fag as I am.
Yeah buddy you're real enlightened and grown up are ya? So enlightened and above arguing you can't even abide by your own standards for a single conversation. Funny you mention age because the only people who posture like you are those who LARP as a "mature adult". You don't actually believe any of the shit you propose, you just act like you do because you think it makes you appear like something more respectable than you really are, which is a self obsessed primadonna.

that's the problem with democracy. The opinions are fed to the public by sophistry while the actual metaphysical groundworks for them are only available by studying them. At that point you will realize that reason can't help you choose the right path and the only way to genuinely commit yourself to an idea without being ignorantly dismissive is faith. Otherwise you have to stay eternally apolitically or sceptic

>>15945284
And maybe because you're being an ass? I wouldn't even call this and argument. It ended after your 2nd response. This is like a couple bickering about jack shit. Complete waste of time.

Right so being mature in your eyes is decking any cunt that refuses to believe something that you are opposed to. Sure, live your life like that. If you wanna live a life being angry all the time so be it.
And sure, just keep reading me in and out, after all, all you know about life if that it's miserable and being an ass hole will get you what you want.

Also I never brought up my age to give you an insight on how mature I am. Nor did I say I was englightened, or mature, plus age isn't a sign of maturity.
Now babes, when you're in bed tonight don't let this conversation break apart out relationship. I still love you babes ლ(´ `ლ)

>>15945284
Also, I do take back saying I used to be like you. I know nothing about you but I did used to have traits like you, and I personally did not like them. I didn't mean that they were wrong

>>15945416
>Also I never brought up my age to give you an insight on how mature I am. Nor did I say I was englightened, or mature, plus age isn't a sign of maturity.
>I haven't even had an argument like this since I was 17 years old, which really says a lot.
> This whole argument reeks of those old YouTube comment section arguments
This whole time you've been posturing as being "above" insults. It's fucking gay. It's annoying. People respond to this behavior with aggression and violence because it's passively dismissive and overtly petty.

>>15942590
>be socialist idiot
>go to school learn some shit
>start reading more about politics and economics
>most importantly check it against reality
>find out the left is wrong on everything pretty much
>am now right wing

Reading novels makes me realise life is in the personal, in the adventures you and your friends have, in the loving passion you have for a partner, in making something out of your life. Politics is a distraction for assholes. Also, each person is infinitely individual, and no political label like race, nationality, culture, religion, class should or can define them.

>be apolitical
>people keep telling me to join their side
>read politics! inform yourself! be responsible! you're a fascist! you're a commie!
>i'm okay thanks
>start reading philosophy
>read political theory incidentally
>plato, aristotle, cicero, machiavelli, hobbes, locke, adam smith, rousseau, js mill, marx, weber, schmitt, arendt, rawls, foucault
>know more political theory than anyone i know
>still apolitical
>they still tell me to read more

>>15942590

It hasn't, since it's always the same bullshit which has been going on in the exact same way since the beginning of human history, even chimps have politics and power struggles.

I only have a, sadly unrealistic, single wish, that people take honest responsibility for their fuckups and step down when necessary.
Sadly everything is a grab game and nobody, including myself, can break free from this shitty carousel.

>>15942590
>be edgy 15 year old in the body of a 19 year old
>read communist manifesto (just the manifesto part not the pretext)
>what a cuck
>read The State and Revolution
>communist to this day

>>15944889
What have you read from Derrida?

>>15944274
Nigga you're a double digit IQ brainlet you shouldn't be giving advice to others

>>15945575
>Nigga
Filtered didn't even bother reading the rest.

>>15944968
The conquest of bread

>>15945575
My IQ's 135, buttercup.

>>15945578
Nigga shut the fuck up
>>15945587
I promise you it's not sweaty

>>15945592
>Nigga
Filtered.

>>15945607
Keep trying to police how people must talk to fit in your secret club r*ddit nigga

>>15945592
Whatever delusion makes you sleep at night

>>15945615
Nigga, keep saying nigga, nigga. It makes you look like such a cool nigga when you say nigga on /lit/.

>>15945624
Keep being mad nigga that people use words you don't like nigga maybe you can censor everyone to only use approved words nigga or you can go fuck yourself nigga

>>15945635
cringe and gay

>>15945635
Nigga, wanna speak nigga speak then speak like a true nigga. Fake ass nigga speak ain't nothing but cringe

>>15945638
>>15945647
Mad niggas

>>15945144
>resource depletion
In what universe. We moved beyond a zero-sum society centuries ago.
Our issues are an excess of bad not a depletion of good.

>>15945437
I am above insults. It's dumb. I was trying to explain how and why that is the case.

>>15945706
>I am above insults.
>you're being an ass x2
>just as much of a fag as I am
>a spaz

>>15942590
>apolitical
Proof that reading pomo marxist lit plummets your IQ.

>>15945716
Yeah and I'm mad at the way you are arguing which is why I'm bickering like I would in the YouTube comments when I was 15 years old. You've completely missed the point.

>>15942590

I became far-right, a sort of ultra-conservative, yet with a more cogent disdain of politics.

never was into politics, I read the Bible

>>15945729
>able to argue without getting mad anymore
>I'm mad

>>15945735
Yeah it's cause I don't argue about this shit. I don't have some cunt come at me calling me names for no apparent reason. I don't argue about petty shit. It was mostly in relation to ideologies. I'll def try diffuse the situation but you're so stubborn you've made me mad. Good job. Do you want a medal?

>>15945743
>I don't argue about this shit.
>will continue to argue about this shit till the thread dies
>I am above insults.
>I don't have some cunt come at me calling me names for no apparent reason

Become blackpilled on every subject.
Lost interest in politics and religion.
Became a non-ethical antinatalist.

>>15943294
Based YouTube-core politick

>>15945771
>I am above insults

>>15942659
Drop the list Butterfly. What was you ephifany book? As spirituality mine was the Gita.

>>15945683
>In what universe.
A universe of more than 200 years of continued industrial development based on fossil fuels that are now going to run out. We're not too far off from oil reaching a 1:1 energy ratio of extraction to production. From there, it's not far off from the total collapse of industrial civilization.

>>15942590
why are korean woman so hideous?

>>15945788
:^)

>>15945807
>will continue to argue about this shit till the thread dies
Feels good to know I'll be living rent free in your head from now on anon.

>>15945104
kek

>>15945815
You too

>>15942590
I was a typical Milosevic Nazbolish guy growing. Gaddafi, Pol Pot, Chomsky, Saddam. Basically i was just in opposition to American capitalist imperialism since i heard the bombs dropping first hand, and supported anyone in opposition to it. Had a view that communism is very patriotic in nature because "greedy foreign capital bad".
Ended up being disillusioned by almost every political narrative. Hold on to beliefs that only robust and stable democratic institutions backing a robust market economy, backing a robust healthcare system (and other such systems that keep NEGATIVE EXTERNAL EFFECTS in check) is the model that causes the least bloodshed.
Politics is fucked and most i can do is support the underdog every time in a (at least in my country) vain attempt to keep the ruling party in check is the only thing most people can do in our lifetime and in the society that we live in.
Balance must be maintained, never must one sit comfortably in power. The sword of Damocles has become dull in the post cold war world, and it is the civic duty of every individual to sharpen it.
I will never vote consecutively for the same party, no matter how much i may agree with their policies. Tyranny lurks in obedience, and security of people who ought to be public servants but fashion themselves above the rabble they serve.

>>15942970
>It's a lot easier to destroy than it is to change for the better.
>So you should view your vote as a protection against destruction and not a vote in favour of
This is how things go on third world countries, so you know...

>>15945824
Much appreciated anon. Stay safe out there. Hugs and kisses.

>>15945842
Thanks :kissing_heart:

>>15943693
Wow your dad is based.

>>15942590
I'm attracted to this creature but I don't really view it as a human.

>>15945849
today's exchange may have served a little to right your course

>>15942590

It made me realize that liberals are self-obsessed hypocrites, overtaken by delusions that they exist outside the frames they criticize.
You ever notice how every person trying to be special, and different, always ends up looking the same as others?

Reading can really demonstrate how the democratic system (''politics'') is inconsequential to real politics and a bad influence on culture but im far from apathetic toward real politics, if anything ,reading made me political in the most real way.

>>15942600
she's cute

>>15942788
You could just say
>I am a centrist

>>15945798
>muh peak oil
Mate you're literally 20 years too late. Our technology outpaces the reliance on fossil fuels.

>>15946485
>Mate you're literally 20 years too late.
Ah but it just happened. I think I'm right on time. There's no realistic path off of fossil fuels.

>>15946510
>There's no realistic path off of fossil fuels.
It's a gradual decline not a sharp drop off. As it becomes increasingly difficult to extract fossil fuels using more expensive methods the cost of using them goes up and the cost of alternatives becomes more favourable. There's no sudden drop where society is going to collapse because we are suddenly incapable of getting anymore fossil fuels.
As their cost increases our reliance will decrease. Ignoring for the moment that there are enough fossil fuels locked away in areas which are (currently) uneconomical to retrieve there's no great and important use of fossil fuels that we can't replace with the right financial incentives. And if they ran out completely the financial incentives would definitely be there.

>>15942590
lmfao considers socially constructed object and ideas as actually worth any brainpower.

>>15946525
No doubt that other energy sources will be used as fossil fuels collapse, but none are as cheap or abundant, which is going to lead to lower energy per capita and lower standards of living. Even presently alternative methods of oil extraction have been a meme and have led to financial failure after financial failure. Lower energy per capita also means less energy that can be spared for further energy extraction and all other uses. It's also not fossil fuels that will run out, many rare earth metals needed for computers will also run out, thus providing another obstacle to the sort of acceleration many think of.

>>15942600
look, a homosexual

>>15946537

Socially constructed ideas such as a nation? Such as law?

>>15946558

>None are as cheap and abundant

Nigger have you seen, the sun?

>>15942666
JQ is grand conspiracy stemming from a desire to feel powerless.
"If the Jew didn't exist, then he would be invented"

>>15946698
Ah yes, because that can be directly harvested for cheap.

>>15942590
>>15942750
really glade i had the forsight to realize my initial political thoughts were biased and historically contigent to my time and circumstance. so i did not input in thing i did not fully understand and refrained from trying to justify my personal feelings through those with similar thoughts as me or trying to read people with the exact opisite thoughts. instead i read from the greeks onwards and begain to sympathize with most every political position from historically developmental point of view. ended up basically becoming a moderate conservative as i understand why things are in place as they are while also understanding why people want changes in certain aspect. not trying to be reactionary to any liniage. so basically >>15942648 as a practical pov.

>>15942650
interesting. makes sense for you.

>>15946558
Energy needs can be covered by renewables hydro/wind/solar with nuclear/hydro managing the baseload. That said current politics mean that most places aren't favouring nuclear and some places are actively dismantling them (wtf central Europe). They are increasingly interconnecting their grids in those regions though so they'll just end up relying on their neighbours who have big hydro dams and nuclear plants.
I agree with you that rare earth metals are a more pressing issue that fossil fuels. On one hand they can be increasingly recycled but realistically we'll reach a point where the retrievable amount on earth is not sufficient for global needs. But again this will be an ongoing process of discovering alternatives which use less or no rare earth and exploring new avenues of extraction (space mining meme).

>>15946698
Solar panels and related infrastructure require more rare earth minerals than fossil fuels. If you want to use solar power you need something that can divvy out the power overnight and on cloudy days. If you have the right geography you can pump water up into hydro dams to act as giant batteries otherwise you're basically relying on batteries which if you go for lithium are expensive and using rare materials.
Some ways countries get around this is by having mega-grids where they connect with neighbouring nations who have better geography for hydro but worse climate for renewables. So country A provides the energy through renewables cheaply to country B who uses the excess energy to pump water into their dams and sell the energy back during renewable downtimes.

>>15946698
Works for homesteads. Not massive eversprawling metropoles.

>>15946720
>>15946743
>>15946747

>Hurr durr we can't do it right nao so it's impossible

Retards. The Wright brothers flew basically a cardboard box and less than 50 years later everyone with a few bucks to spare could fly halfway around the world.

>>15946794
>>Hurr durr we can't do it right nao so it's impossible
If that's what you got from my post you either didn't read it or didn't understand it. What do you need help with Anon?

>>15946794
You're on the tail end of 200 years of immense technological advancement, a relatively short period of history all things considered. Don't assume it can simply go on forever as a matter of faith.

>>15946743
I just don't think there will be much more innovation. Even the last 30 years has been pretty stagnant compared to the last 200.

>>15946820
I think you feel like that because innovation is increasingly becoming specialised. Hundreds of years ago you could be an expert in every field of science after spending the equivalent of a current uni course studying. These days you can study for 10 years and you'll still only know a portion of a single area of one subject.
I work in biotech and in just the last 10 years I've been studying/working I've seen amazing changes that honestly blow my mind as much as going from house phones to mobile phones did. It's just not present to someone outside of the field because all they hear is "cancer type X is now cured" and "rare disease Y successfully treated for first time."
And even with all that the amount of known-unknowns is mind boggling. If I had millions of dollars and 10 lifetimes I couldn't fully research all the projects concepts we've had to put aside for more promising/investor friendly ones.

>>15946861
Yeah and the literal complexity to discover new things is orders of magnitude more difficult. To discover the first subatomic particles took relatively simple equipment. Now we require CERN to attempt to get a greater understanding.

>>15946794
>people used to say flying was impossible but now we can fly therefore all future technology is guaranteed to happen
this is, without a doubt, the stupidest fucking argument that anyone ever makes about any topic. It's only ever made by dogshit retards who don't study science or engineering.

>>15946794
>hurr durr technology hasn't significantly changed in decades and dysgenics is in top gear but it's going to magically start getting better out of nowhere

>>15946916
Based le doom spaghetti poster

>>15946861
That said I also take issues with >Even the last 30 years has been pretty stagnant compared to the last 200.
The move from the odd computer in a household usually without even internet to individual smartphones which people have on their person at all times is immense. The social consequences alone (good or bad) are something incomparable to previous advancements.

>>15946892
What you're talking about there is basic research. Basic research happens on average 20-30 years before it ever gets applied.

>>15946938
The social impact of smart phones is tiny compared to the social impact of modern methods of production, which shattered ways of being thousands of years old.

>>15942590
>>become a-political centrist

the virgin centrist vs the CHAD apolitical

>>15942805
>embracing sjw politics
>being apolitical

cringe, brainwashed by the establishment isn´t another thing totally unrelated to being apolitical

The Franklin Cover-up was pretty mind blowing and this whole Epstein thing kind of confirms that if you're rich enough, then you can pretty much just do whatever the hell you want. Might be kind of obvious to some people, but I wasn't aware that you could just have the FBI in your pocket and win any trial and actually convict the victims of your crimes for a life in prison... If you're mega rich, almost like some kind of upper crust layer of nobility or aristocracy or whatever

>>15942590
Keep going, you'll end up a left winger if you keep learning more.

>>15943294
kek based youtube-core

>>15946811
You are a couple of decades before the singularity.

Oh no no no please don’t tell me niggas are still falling for the politics meme

>>15942659
>Christian conservative when a child.
>Became “a-political” when blossom bloom comes.
>End awrathful “left” after "The Wall".

>>15942590
You never understood Spengler or Evola then. I hope this is bait, otherwise you're a certified brainlet.

>>15945178
This.

>>15942590
I used to have this knee jerk reaction to all leftist things. Gays, blacks, drugs, liberals, race mixing, refugees, jews, etc. It would make me really angry. After I started reading I became more reserved and calm. Also more accepting and much less biased, there are many good people in the black community, in gay community, even the refugees often are running away from certain death, it is never black and white and simply refusing to acknowledge things objectively because of /pol/ will not do any good. Only by casting aside anger and useless emotions one can truly begin understanding logic. Only meticulous planning and cool headedness can result in a solution to the problem that the white race is facing.

>>15942659
>"she's" a 42 year old "woman"

>>15947661
>You never understood Spengler or Evola then. I hope this is bait, otherwise you're a certified brainlet.
cocksucking retard brainlet

>I HOPE THIS IS BAIT OTHERWISE MY FRAGILE FEELINGS JUST CANT STAND IT
What was Evola's final remark in ride the tiger again? kys

>>15946710
>hasn't lived around jewish power structures to see it up close

>>15947844
Seethe more, tranny. The comment about fragile feelings was obviously projection.

>>15947924
you hope it's bait cuz daddy diddled you in the ballpit

>>15942590
>a political centrist
so like a liberal? You think we can continue using our current system and not get absolutely fucked?

>>15947948
I think ideology has little to do with what's happening right now

>>15947928
You got me. How will I ever recover?
Now go and work on your reading comprehension, kid.

>>15947966
you were molested and now you're a faggot

>>15947972
I'm sorry your dad did that to you. Good luck working through it, anon.