/lit/ - Literature

Right/left is shorthand, but yeah. Authoritarian, capitalist. Sure it’s state centralized, but Even Lenin himself wrote a book called "Left-Wing" Communism: An Infantile Disorder

>>15934590
>>15934590
Viewing politics as existing on a Left/Right continuum is retarded. It is much more of a tapestry. The linear continuum allows for no nuance and insists on conundrums.

It’s complex. Even the four corner grid isn’t right.
Someone posted this the other day. Pretty good.

https://youtu.be/9nPVkpWMH9k

>>15934605
Extreme cope, once again buttertard proves to be historically illiterate.

>>15934638
I think it's valid in either a very broad sense or within in specific ideologies like how there was a left (Strasserist) and right (Munich conservatives) in National Socialism. Similarily, we see a left right distinction within the SRs too.

>>15934590
No. What he really means is "authoritarian".
And no; authoritarianism is not bad. As a matter of fact, it's actually very good.

How does anyone take this hack seriously?

>>15934605
Jesus you write so awkwardly. I think dementia might be setting in, no?

If authortarianism is always right wing to you I guess? Sounds like anarkiddie cope though

>>15934687
No. Perhaps I just read a lot.

>>15934661
>I think it's valid in either a very broad sense
I disagree. Please, expand on this to convince me of a proper use.
>or within in specific ideologies
In specific situations, I see that it could work - but then Left/Right may make less sense than Orange/Green for example, if there is a cultural context for a better label.
>using German National Socialism as an example
There was such a transmogrification over time, with the locksmith naming the organization and the painter that took it over fundamentally changing its direction. There is so much afoot in this example that muddies the discussion.

>>15934674
>it's actually very good
Inherently?

>>15934687
Just read it with a "valley girl" accent and it falls into place a bit.

>>15934674
>What he really means is "authoritarian"
That's literally what rightwing means. Rightwingers want to concentrate power at the top of the hierarchy - whether through capitalism or traditional aristocracy.

>>15934688
>Sounds like anarkiddie cope though
Except for the fact that such lack of nuance is taught in public schools.

>>15934802
>Please, expand on this to convince me of a proper use.
I mean in a very vulgar sense, just a quick and dirty classification. For example, one could say that communism challenged liberalism from the left, while fascism challenged it from the right.
>In specific situations, I see that it could work - but then Left/Right may make less sense than Orange/Green for example, if there is a cultural context for a better label.
I think this makes the most sense. In the US you have a liberal right and a liberal left, but these don't have any connection to some broader idea of right and left. It's at least the best use of the term.
>There was such a transmogrification over time, with the locksmith naming the organization and the painter that took it over fundamentally changing its direction.
This doesn't really matter since I'm referring to the NSDAP's more established years.

>>15934590
>Bbut achually it was capitalism!!

>>15934914
It was literally state capitalism, dumbass.

>>15934896
>one could say that communism challenged liberalism from the left, while fascism challenged it from the right
This is what I mean. You have a purely economic system on the Left with a broader political philosophy on the Right. I see this as muddying.
>In the US
I hate the use of L/R in this context because it removes all nuance from discussion.
>This doesn't really matter since I'm referring to the NSDAP's more established years
This is exactly why I DO disagree. The NSDAP of the later years did not coddle the milquetoast locksmithian Marxism of the early years. It was not pragmatic to remove the "S" from NSDAP in the later years, but it was effectively quashed in much of a degree.

>>15934918
>literally state capitalism
yeah, you see? achuaklly

>>15935032
Yes, there are such things as facts.

I'm becoming more and more convinced that jews aren't evil, just endemically mentally ill

>>15935069
>>>/pol/

>>15935069
Nah Chomsky is just a liberal hack

>>15935069
How does one differentiate in any meaningful way between the criminal and the criminally insane?

>>15935057
I know that. There are facts and lies.

>>15934590
Reject the false dichotomy, it was against religion, the nation state and family values / strong local community.

>>15934812
As a means to an end, obviously. Only people like classical liberals view authoritarianism as a value in and of itself as opposed to a means to an end because they are solipsistic and since they view personal freedom as the end in and of itself (regardless of the consequences), they see authoritarianism as the mirror opposite.

>>15935096
Nigga wat

>>15935092
And you appear to have thrown in with the liars. Sad.

>>15935096
Those are conservative values not rightwing values, mongoloid.

>>15935080
Criminally insane genuinely believe that the bullshit they're doing is right

>>15935113
There was no private ownership of the means of production in this socialist shithole, and that's why it collapsed.
Not because it ackhually was capitalism.

>soviet union rightwing, cause they didn't open borders and let 6 year old children transition by punching holes into where their dicks should be

>>15934605
>Right/left is shorthand, but yeah. Authoritarian, capitalist. Sure it’s state centralized, but Even Lenin himself wrote a book called "Left-Wing" Communism: An Infantile Disorder
Hey butterfly, are you from Russia? I have the memory of you being from there.

>>15935128
The means of production were controlled by a few people at the top of the hierarchy. Same shit, different flavor.

>>15935130
>still doesn't understand the difference between left and liberal, and between right and conservative
Embarrassing.

>>15935147
trigger tranny
dilate your fucking hole

>>15935106
>As a means to an end, obviously.
OK. I can agree with that.

>>15934661
Yes, you're right, political spectrums only work when it is not really a spectrum but a popularity contest for football teams.

>>15935151
You're not fooling anyone, tranny.

>>15935119
Once again, how does one differentiate in any meaningful way between the criminal and the criminally insane?

>>15935138
That is what Marx have called for (in a supposedly necessary and supposedly intermediate stage) but in any case the system was not capitalist without the legal possibility for everybody to acquire his own property.

>>15935164
The sociopaths on /pol/ are criminally insane -- they need to be euthanized.

>>15935169
Functionally, bureaucrats simply took the place of private capitalists. The only real difference is the absence of free-market structure (liberalism). But from the perspective of power relations, it's the same hierarchical control of resources. Under socialism, capital is directly owned by the workers who made and operate it. That's not something that was ever implemented in the USSR. It stalled out on centralized authoritarian capitalism.

Chomsky's jewish, so his "politics" are always to cover / provide protection for jews to some extent. It all becomes so clear when you just take the antisemitism-pill. You can easily judge a person by asking;

>Is he jewish by birth?
>Then he's using his career in politics or academia to promote and defend international jews.

>Is he non-jewish (gentile)?
>Then he's just genuinely interested in his career path and doesn't have a hidden agenda.

Jews conspire. They work together to advance jews. That's why they are so extremely over-represented in media, entertainment, Hollywood, banking, finance and government. That's why they ran Bolshevism. It's NOT because they are:

>Smart
>Have high IQ
>Are "chosen" by the Creator

It's just that they conspire. Remember Einstein? He was a very mediocre scientiest. Most of his ideas were in fact stolen from gentiles like Max Planck. Because jews conspire to advance jews. It's that simple. Can't trust Chomsky, he's a jew.

>>15934699
If you read a lot then you wouldn't have such stilted writing.

>>15935296
Antisemites are criminally insane and cringe. Just read this post for confirmation.

>>15935207
>bureaucrats simply took the place of private capitalists
The difference is that bureaucrats don't risk their own capital (which they don't have) and which is necessary for the system to properly work. I though that communists were able to recognize the difference between feudalism and capitalism - you can make the case that the Soviet system was practically a feudalism bordering with slavery, but you are deliberately muddying the waters if you call it capitalism - contrary to the definitions of communist ideologists themselves.
The USSR did *successfully* destroy capitalism but they were not able to make socialism work up to the 20th century standards.

>>15934605
>Lenin himself wrote a book called "Left-Wing" Communism: An Infantile Disorder
Lmao this is the worst argument in support of anything I've ever heard, you're well advised to dilate yourself to death

>>15935312
What in my post is insane or cringe?

>>15935164
Most criminals understand that their actions are evil, immoral, and harmful. They either justify it for themselves, or they simply do not value other humans enough to care. Criminally insane do not see their acts as evil, they see it as will of God, right of the Chosen, divine hierarchy, means to an end etc

>>15935315
The Left-wing and Right-wing dichotomy is a cover (or mask) for the real dichotomy in western politics which is the Jew Gentile dichotomy. This is evident when we see the alt-right and white-nationalism, or white supremacism and fascism. Those movements all have in common that they reject the Left-Right dichotomy in favour of what they call a "Third Way". That's why the establishment, being jewish, is coming down harder on the alt-right / white nationalist / white supremcist / fascist movement than on any other movement. Because they are trying to move past the false dichotomy of Left - Right, which is again, set up by the jews as a mask for the real dichotomy which is jew-gentile.
You can see a perfect example when you listen to Bernie Sanders remarking on his reaction to JFK and Nixon discussing anti-communism measures against Cuba. Sanders describes his intensely uncomfortable physiological reaction to over-hearing two gentiles working together (conspiring) to destroy communism, which is another mask for jewry. Sanders is of course jewish as you know.

>>15935366
Based and checked

>>15935313
Your conceptions of "capitalism" are 150 years out of date. Under the modern system the board of directors doesn't own capital and risks nothing, and the CEO is a hired wageslave like you and me.

>>15935318
Pretending that Jews are a hive mind

>>15935313
Marx did use the word "capitalism" to refer specifically to private ownership of industrial capital -- factories and the like. But socialists (aka leftists) are opposed to any system of concentrated material power, not just capitalism in the strict sense. So the feudal aristocratic system would also be opposed, as well as any totalitarian state like the USSR. You make a good point about bureaucrats not having skin in the game. The solution to that is a decentralized socialism in which employees directly own the enterprises they work for.

>>15935393
>the CEO is a hired wageslave like you and me.
Please at least read Marx, CEOs control and direct the means of production.

>>15935402
I never said or implied that.

>>15935366
Cringe and /pol/tardpilled

>>15935366
>You can see a perfect example when you listen to Bernie Sanders remarking on his reaction to JFK and Nixon discussing anti-communism measures against Cuba. Sanders describes his intensely uncomfortable physiological reaction to over-hearing two gentiles working together (conspiring) to destroy communism, which is another mask for jewry. Sanders is of course jewish as you know.
link?

>>15935366
>Judeo-Bolshevism
At least get some new antisemitic theories that aren't a century god damn old at this point.

In practice it was still pretty capitalist yeah

>>15935424
What's cringe in my post?

>/pol/tardpilled

Unironically yes. If you aren't redpilled on politics, then you should shut your mouth and sit down and listen to the people who are.

>>15935430
I'm gonna see if I can find the link...

>>15935441
Nah the old ones, still apply. They are still true.

>>15935315
You think the left right dichotomy is valid?

Here’s the argument again https://youtu.be/9nPVkpWMH9k
Address that

>>15935135
I’ve never mentioned. No.

>>15935311
Ah. You’re having trouble with brevity.

>>15935450
I only listen to people who read books, which is decidedly no one on /pol/.

>>15935393
>Your conceptions of "capitalism" are 150 years out of date
My patience with you retards is getting short.
The CEOs can be fired *immediately* - by few guys comprising majority shareholders and *risking* their own millions.

>>15935463
>I only listen to people who read books, which is decidedly no one on /pol/.
Hahaha. What a dumbass you are. Cringe.

>>15935430
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiupfvKmJGE

>>15935477

>>15934590
>when leftist bullshit fails as usual, suddenly it becomes "right wing"

>>15935450
>redpilled on politics
Cringe.

>>15935483
>Gets rightly called "cringe" for posting self-refuting idiocy
>Just shoot back "cringe"

So this is the power of leftism.

>>15935503
What do I have in common with you then? Leave the thread, which is about politics.

>>15935509
Fuck off back to /pol/, you deranged retard.

>>15935517
No. You fuck off. I'm discussing Noam Chomsky, in a thread about Noam Chomsky. You're being pathetic and repulsive.

>>15935505
Cringe.

>>15935329
And again, how do we know which one is which?

>It was actually right-wing because it wasn't reeel communism
Every. Single. Time.

>>15935586
I've followed your exchange. It seems to leave open the possibility that "jews" are both mentally ill, and evil.

>>15935601
Yeah... Like i mentioned in a previous post, it is easy to see that the Left-Wing dichotomy is employed as a mask or a diversion to distract from the racial component of the soviet union.

>>15935463
I only read books by Jews, thank you very much. I just pick a Jew on either the red team or the blue team and back him. Haha it's so great that we have Jews to do all our thinking for us dopey, doofy, oofy, goofy White guys! No need to wonder if perhaps an author has any sort of biases or if there's a political motive behind labelling certain authors' ideas "antisemitic".

>>15934605
based bug

>>15935601
Facts are facts, nancy boy. But keep seething.

>>15935790
Point is he can call the soviet union capitalist, he can call it left-wing, he can call it right-wing, whatever, but he won't call it Jewish because it was Jewish and Chomsky's a jew.

It's a racial component and not anything else. You might "notice" how jews like to talk a lot about social and economic factors around certain societal problems. That's to hide away the racial factors.

>>15934590
once you get power over people and resources you become right.

>>15934590
USSR started out as demsoc, but that only lasted for a few years

>>15934590
USSR was a white patriarchal state centralised capitalist fascist state.
There was no acceptance for LGBT+ community, they had closed borders, they literally had a fucking WALL on their border, they never abolished the oppressive institution of family, there was no welfare, no diversity, no progressive art movements, no pornographic industry etc.

So fuck USSR

>>15935804
Jews were not well treated in the USSR, asshat.

>>15936144
>Jews were not well treated in the USSR

Were gentiles?

>>15936095
Wtf I love the USSR now

>>15936095
add some religion and it sounds amazing desu

>>15936095
>no welfare, no diversity, no progressive art movements
t. knows nothing about USSR

>>15934605
Based. R*ghtoids keep seething

>>15934862
right wing is individualist chapo

>>15935128
If it's not the worker's then it's private. The private, public and collective distinction appears in the Manifesto once (I recall) and nowhere else in Marx's writings.

>>15934590
After Stalin took over? Absolutely.

>>15934590
wtf Chomsky is a Bordigist?

I think the only meaningful distinction between right and left is the support of hierarchy and tradition. This would make Stalinism right wing because by the time he came around the Soviets saw the destruction that sexual liberation caused and reacted violently against it, imposing traditional morality. And of course there existed a hierarchy or aristocracy, in their case the central planners who ordered society. Stalin himself would have agreed with me and this is why he referred to his particular brand of communism as "right wing socialism".

>>15936241
Any sort of individualism is a type of liberalism or liberation, making it left wing. It's of the tradition of Locke and other classical liberals and this thought is the heart of the "left wing" of the French society and revolution where that term comes from.

Lolno. Anarchism however is the highest form of liberalism. See OP's pic.

>>15934590
He's never been wrong

>>15936896
>If it's not the worker's then it's private
And if it's workers' then it's not private?

>>15934590
He just used "right wing" as a meaningless insult.
He denounced the whole communist experiment but attempted to have his cake too.

>>15934643
hey pal it looks as though you have left your tripcode on when in fact your identity has nothing to do with the thread. You should only use tripcodes when your identity is relevant to the discussion at hand

>>15935460
FUCK OFF ESL SHILL

Parenti already btfo Chumpsky

https://web.archive.org/web/20150426064407/http://www.greanvillepost.com:80/2012/01/01/left-anticommunism-the-unkindest-cut/

>>15934605
Just imagine
you come home from work, a rough day. you hang up your coat and in slinks butterfly, on all fours as she has been all day, caked on make up falling off in bits.
"anon, I need..."
she turns her wide rump to you, pointed up into your face. even clothed it reeks.
"I need..."
she's sweating, and clouds of red collect anywhere her pasty, fishlike skin can be seen. you already know what she needs.
"pls anon"
either she drops her pants or they fall on their own, knowing what must happen. begrudgingly you remove your cock, erect out of a sense of duty more than anything else.
chubby fingers spread the ponderous cheeks, a yellow tinged string of some fluid webs between them, coyly hiding your goal. like the mouth of a hungry baby bird, her anus beckons to you.
you insert your glans and she begins moaning-- not wholly in pleasure-- and you can feel kernels of corn and other detritus grazing your urethra.
faster. harder. can't let it escape. if you pull out now, you'll just have to start over.
you coax the brown beast as butterfly moans louder, squeezing her sagged breasts in vain. just a little more. fingers clenching ass cheeks. minute farts escaping around your shaft. she's muttering something now, but you're. almost.
pushed out by a tidal wave of warm, viscous diarrhea. dangling, stained cock a witness to the tsunami of what once was a family sized portion of El Pollo Loco and drinkable yogurt. she's cumming, rubbing her vagina angrily-- but this is no vaginal orgasm: it is a pleasurable relief centered in the bowels, the fresh snow after an avalanche.
shit continues to pour, now only liquid, from her quivering anus. she thanks you
"thank you anon" *fart* "oh, thank you so much"
still on hands and knees, she leaves the way she came, leaving shitty cursive all over the wood floor. you proceed to the sink. in the other room you can hear the unmistakable sounds of a keyboard clacking.