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Were all the great writers vilified by critics ?
What is your stance on critics in the arts ?

>> No.15855500

no, read more books you pleb

>> No.15855681

Sometimes they define shifts in culture (Hoffman's review of Beethoven's 5th established the Romantic period, Louis Leroy's criticism of Monet established Impressionism as a movement) but they've always been a bunch of onions chugging hacks and hypocrites. These days all they do is raise failed offspring to be trans and talk about the death of the white male genius.

>> No.15855869 [DELETED] 

>>15855479
Critics are literally just journalism majors who think they can get into literature. After all, what's the point of criticism again outside of relating to the author itself?
Which is the reason >>15855681 is correct as the only thing critics are talking right now is the "muh wh*te, heteropatriachal savior" and how there is a "need" for more diversity in literature so the local Ns can begin to read for once.

>> No.15855888

>>15855479
Menard in "Pierre Menard, Author of Don Quixote" by Borges demonstrates the perfect deconstruction and reconstruction, the perfect text as intertext, and realizes what has been the project of the literary critic since Sainte-Beuve in the 19th century…namely, the analysis, explanation, assimilation, and in the case of the structural critic even, the substitution of the critic for the author as creator, the assimilation or the signifying act of the writer to the perfect comprehension of the critic--namely the domination of the work by the critic. It is a bourgeois project to dominate the work and every project of domination has as its goal the control of production. This domination is implicit even in the project of empiricism if we are to believe Marcuse's remarks in One Dimensional Man about the hidden project of domination in empirical science, because domination is the basic bourgeois project and is identical in most cases with western civilization. Pierre Menard is superior to Cervantes as the analytic critic is superior to the author because bourgeois analysis is better than creativity. Deconstruction thus realizes the bourgeois project and contradicts the Nietzschean theory of positive creativity.

>> No.15855890

It’s an industry and for that reason it is not to be trusted.

>> No.15855897

>>15855479
Barring like a handful of exceptions the only worthwhile critics of art have always been other artists, not the mandarins in charge of the culture industry of their age.

>> No.15855958

>>15855888
Damn.
Holy shit, I retract my words.

>> No.15855996

>>15855888
Someone please ELI5...so critics are just tyrants and tools in the hands of the powers that be?

>> No.15856005

>>15855996
The death of the author has made room for the critic to seize control.

>> No.15856009
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>>15855897
This. Consider: the greatest critic in the English language is generally regarded to be Samuel Johnson, and he was a pretty fair writer and poet himself. Check out "Rasselas" by him, sometime.

>> No.15857321

>>15855996
Who would be the exceptions?

>> No.15857449

this thread is nonsensical, you're all plebs who get your recommendations and opinions from critics you canon babies

>> No.15857478

>>15855996
what the fuck is eli5