/lit/ - Literature

tl;dr no one gives a shit about your relfag circlejerk

>>15798410
i made this thread exactly to encourage relfags to abandon this subversive jewish cult because the last time i posted here half the catalog was just tradcath LARPing.

Because the atheism vs Christianity debates ended when Social Justice was born.

It's worth nothing, in regards to Augustine, that it's highly unlikely that he ever actually talked with a Roman pagan, so his whole "72 gods on the wedding night" thing is a result of ignorance rather than malice.

>>15798444
>I was just pretending to be retarded
And so, instead of posting something /lit/ related, you just add to the cirlclejerk
What a fucking waste of trips

>>15798401
>ancient polytheist communities
LMAO.

>(((Abrahamists))) lie to push their doctrine

In other news, water is wet. Stay with us for more shocking revelations

So the take away is when everything about nature is a god your beliefs are open to subversion
Yet another reason not be be a p(gay)gan

>>15798545
christianity has long since been subverted

>>15798545
That's not what the Romans believed.

>>15798560
welcome to the kali yuga

>>15798545
Yes, more then 10.000 cults, but we are subversive.

>derive your faith from Judaism
>behave like Jews
I don't see the problem.

>>15798401
Everyone was and is subversive. No church, no belief, no idea, especially when it has accumulated many followers over time, can claim to be perfect and pure. No amount of skeletons in Christianity's closet will convince me that its God isn't real. If anything, the people who performed these acts (if done wittingly and with malice) need God the most.

>>15799348
>No amount of skeletons in Christianity's closet will convince me that its God isn't real.
That’s what makes you a good goy

>>15799348
I never understand why the christians insist on a dead jew being god. I have no problem believing in god (big G if you’re autistic) or gods but they lose me when they insist that yeshua is somehow a god or thee god. I get that is the whole idea of “faith” but it just doesn’t make sense (which is also the point)

>>15799360
Mere words

>>15799389
Do you hate Heaven?

>>15799411
>Mere words
Not when in the end you get declared a heretic for not being fanatic enough, which in monotheistic religions in generally just a matter of time

>>15799474
That's their problem. Those who declare me a heretic could do so for a million reasons, among which number the political. As long as I've been faithful and fulfilled the laws, I am not what they say. The church is not infallible, and neither are its followers.

>>15799411
You don't even know what heaven is

>>15799498
>That's their problem.
Yes, until they come to your house to kill you. Then it’s your problem

>>15799411
I don’t “hate” something I don’t believe in. If anything I believe in a neo-platonic reincarnation or descent/ascent of the soul. But not a eternal space of personal pleasure

>>15799587
That's not a probable occurrence, especially considering the turn modern man's ideology has taken. I'll probably be arrested for hate speech and murdered by some negro in prison. Even if what you say could come to pass, I'd fight back. If subdued, I'll die, praying for them. What else can be done? Every faith, be it atheism, paganism, or monotheism, can be taken to a horrendous extreme.

>>15799576
The purpose of my life is to get to know it. "It" being a state of communion with God, a sort of taste of Heaven on earth. If I am wrong, then I won't have any chance to care because I won't exist. Otherwise, I'll be reincarnated into a flea, sent to Hel/Valhalla, or some other fate I'd probably defy out of spite.

>>15799627
So then, if my belief is correct, you'll go where you want- anywhere but Heaven.

>>15799649
>That's not a probable occurrence, especially considering the turn modern man's ideology has taken.
Which is an ideology you’re actively working to reverse completely

>>15799654
Fair enough. But be clear here: do you believe in a personal after-death experience or what?

>>15799659
Aren't you doing the same? Their fanaticism has the same root as the puritanical stereotype you conjured up to threaten me with. I disagree with both, and I argue against both.

>>15799686
>Aren't you doing the same?
No, since my religious beliefs involve freedom of choice and heterarchy, which are the basis of civilization

>>15799675
I am not well-read as to Christian theology, but I believe that man possesses an eternal soul that, after the death of the body, goes where it wills. If it lived a godly life, it will go to the God it recognizes, Whose light is not obnoxious to it. If it lived an ungodly life, it will remain in the "outer darkness." Hell is just anywhere outside of the Heavenly state, as I see it. You can experience a taste of Heaven on earth, or communion with God. Of course, this comes only as a product of a godly life.

>>15799705
By "doing the same," I mean "working to revert the ideology of fanaticism." However, I could argue you are a fanatic for "freedom of choice" and "heterarchy," with "civilization" as your god. It isn't hard to see how such a person would deify Caesar, or demonize anyone who strays from his version of civilization.

>>15799730
>demonize anyone who strays from his version of civilization.
I don’t need to, this is what democracy and the justice system is for

>>15798401

>>15799809
This needs to be extended to modern left ideologies, like marxism and neo-liberalism (original liberalism too). Also should include the Holocaust and all related literature

>>15799774
You don't need to, and yet you do. I am not arguing for the abolition of laws or the toppling of this democratic farce of yours, but rather the demonization of anyone who strays from those laws and ideas specific to your civilization. This notion that they are "anti-social" and dangerous. Dangerous to what? The society you deify? To Hell with it!

>>15799818
What's so incisive about it?

>>15798401
>Polytheist communities
I don't know what you mean by this, OP, but the idea of polytheism is a popular idea. That is, it is both a widely spread theological notion and superficial enough to encompass a whole civilization, or better saying, to unify all in a single belief. What I want to say with this is that you can see in all apparently, and in consequence erroneously taken as, ''polytheist'' tradition all ''gods'' are not gods as such, but daemons, principles, cosmic influences, lower spirits. Roman civilization had degenerated so much theologically that they held gods merely as a political-social function.

>twist the words of Homer and Hesiod
Personally, I don't agree with all critiques made by christians concerning for example pythagoreanism, platonism, because it is clear that they follow a common line, a unique transition. Thus, I don't agree with some pagan critiques as well, evidently.
But I would like to see what some christians wrote about Homer and Hesiod, post here please.

>support their monotheist cult
As I noted above the polytheist vs. monotheist ''strife'' is so superficial so as to sound like a theological heresy only for superficial, common belivers. The question, in the end, is a practical, liturgical one.

>Pseudo-Orpheus
This points exactly to what I said about a single line of transition, a continuation between Egypt to Christianity. Answering >>15799389, Christ reunites in Himself the Osirian-Horian symbolique of Passion and Resurrection. Egyptian theology echoes in Christianity with so much force that it incarnates the truth of both egyptian and greek theologies. The difference from the Orphic-Dyonisian cult, is that Christ incarnated, the anthropocosmikos humanized.

>Justin hoaxes...
Post them here, please OP, maybe we can find what is wrong with them or with your judgements.

>This is just ridiculously subversive.
The condition of theology in Rome was a subversive one, as I said above. Greek and Roman social-cultural production were, theologically speaking, a disgrace, with some exceptions like platonism - and even this one, even though conserving somewhat the poetic of mysterium, appealed to rationalism.

>>15798467
Fuck off redditfag. He might not be white.

>>15798506
Laughing is a sin anon.

>>15798450
You can be ignorant and malicious. That's literally the trick of the Christian G-d, the house nigger of man.

>>15799348
WWG1WGA

>>15799411
>arrest warrants coming for the evil after you die
>still voting christ

>>15798450
>>15800323
>born in pagan empire
>was a manichean
>probably never talked to a pagan

>greatest cultural work of all time
>gets btfo by a snownigger
why is the christian god so weak?

>>15800382
continuation of the dialogue:
>Priest: because otherwise you would live an incomplete life, without realizing even the mere exoteric truths of the One, sole God, and in this way would not be spared for living in ignorance by the movements of your own soul, leading to a painful path of return.

>>15800366
No, he most likely never talked to a Roman pagan. There is a very large difference. Secondly, you're just dumb if you think Manicheans are "pagan" (whatever exactly that word is supposed to mean, not that you really have a definition of it).

Roman paganism was the ethnic faith of the Roman people, and was practiced solely by them. It wasn't practiced by Gauls, or Jews, or Picts, or Germanics, or any other people who the Empire conquered, and it certainly wasn't practiced by the Berbers of which Augustine was one. In particular, in Augustine's day (the late 300s AD) the Roman ethnic religion had all but collapsed. Augustine's education was in Greek philosophy, with Greeks, so although he was fluent in Latin he never really interacted with the actual Romans themselves.

For one, Augustine is completely ignorant of the Roman's listing of people. "Lists of people" were just a common thing in Roman culture, in which one lists out a variety of individuals who exist solely because of a specific person. To give you an example, the Secret Service agents exist because of the President, not the other way around. This was pretty common in Roman culture, so the only way he could not get why there's a dozen gods involved in the marital night but only Mars and Venus matter is out of ignorance.

Further, he completely butchers the epithet "Farreus", instead going through a (etymologically horseshit) chain of metnal gymnastics to justify why it's proof that Jupiter was ACTUALLY a cross dresser. Any Roman would tell you that it's an epithet based on Juptier's role as the guarantor of confarreatio, the holiest form of marriage in Roman culture (this is holy in particular because it is a contract between a free man and a free woman, whereas other lesser forms of Roman marriage were a contract between two men).

The only way Augustine could make mistakes this basic is out of malice, or ignorance. I find the malice theory unlikely, as Augustine would've gotten called out on it by anyone who knew even the slightest bit about the religion or the people, and Augustine was very acutely aware of the needs of looking good in debates. Ignorance is more likely, namely because confarraeatio were only done in Rome itself, and they'd become unfashionable about a century or so prior (due to the enormous cost; equivalent to the Pope officiating your wedding).

>>15800425
Holy cringe.

>>15800684
>he most likely never talked to a Roman pagan.
What you ground this on? He lived in a pagan society and was not a christian, that was why I mentioned his being a manichean you dumbfuck.

There was no such a thing as faith in Rome, lol. Their gods were greek gods rehashed, which in turn emerged from egyptian mysteries. Romans and Greeks had the most unoriginal theogonies.

>the late 300s AD...religion collapsed
wrong, even though it was in decline it is far from truth that it was already collapsed, you don't need to distort things in this brutish manner.

>Augustine's education was in Greek philosophy, with Greeks, so although he was fluent in Latin he never really interacted with the actual Romans themselves.
Holy shit you are again forcing your own lunacy on historical facts. Read any biography on Augustine.

>Lists of people...
why are you spouting this in this conversation about augustine's having interacting with roman pagans.

>Ignorance is more likely
Yes, here we are in agreement. This calls for the same response as above, it is not because he was ignorant of some social-cultural aspect of Roman paganism that he NEVER TALKED TO A SINGLE ROMAN PAGAN.

Anyway, roman paganism is not a religion, it is a state enforcement law devoid of any intellectual depth, solely political-social bindings.

>>15800341
I'm not a Q believer

>>15800357
More schizo posting

>>15800382
Because it's our duty to spread the faith. It's that simple. You could ask, "why not abort babies if they go to heaven?" Because it's murder. It's that simple.

Furthermore, how can the priest say whether or not that eskimo would go to Hell? He is not God. Perhaps the eskimo would go to Hell if he was a vicious man; being ignorant of Christianity won't save you from Hell. Besides, introducing someone to Christianity is in their best interests, as >>15800425 said and >>15800694 so crudely disparaged. And all of this for a specious witticism made by some eskimo

>>15801016
>i have no idea what i'm talking about, but here's my opinions...
Roman Honor: Fire in the Bones.
Roman Religion, by Dumezil.
Religions of Rome, Vol I and II.

Read these and then come back. There's zero point in you having opinions while not knowing the basics. I can give you more if you like.

>>15802067
Then I humbly ask you to give me an explanation as to how the Roman ''religion'' was a religion with a numinous consciousness and intellectual production (that is, with a theology or metaphysics). Is there any debate concerning the derivation of the roman pantheon from the greeks?

>>15802067
>>15802094
And oh, I need to point two things out:
1. By theology or metaphysics I mean as well as their ordinary sense, a mytho-poetic symbolique, regardless of being written or oral.

2. Nothing to say about Augustine?

>>15801200
cringe

>>15801200
>Besides, introducing someone to Christianity is in their best interests
That’s what every cult claims

>>15798401
Christians are brainwashed golems: News at 11.

>>15798401
that's pretty interesting. Never paid much attention to how christians tried to destroy native beliefs. I knew then basics but havent read about details m

Wow, just wow

You can be proud of yourself, slaves of vatican

>>15801016
>There was no such a thing as faith in Rome, lol. Their gods were greek gods rehashed, which in turn emerged from egyptian mysteries. Romans and Greeks had the most unoriginal theogonies.
>i have no words to describe to which lengths they went to subvert ancient polytheist communities.
>This is just ridiculously subversive and my trust in the church has fallen even more than before

>>15798401
I read City of God recently and it sounds like the pagans were on damage control a good 600 years before Augustine, cicero, varo, virgil and Augustus are just a few people he brings up who tried to salvage the few niceties from the retarded barbaric elements of paganism. adultury, abandonment of children and murder were common to the gods so nobody sane could acknowledge paganism rationally, imagine how silly someone would have to be to do that LOL

>>15803944
Yeah and you chew on infants foreskins so you aren't really one to talk about barbarity, homofaggot.

>>15803944
>implying that polytheism is a single homogeneous religious expression
>what does the poly- in polytheism mean

>>15803944
>>15803967
Not all Romans and Greeks were even really polytheists. Stoics, Platonists, and many others were pantheists or monists. Though it is a good point to mention the diversity in thinking(something that Christian golem NPCs absolutely despise). The Temple of Isis in Pompeii is a really cool place.

>>15803980
>Not all Romans and Greeks were even really polytheists. Stoics, Platonists, and many others were pantheists or monists.
That's so fucking dishonest though. Sure not all Romans and Greeks were polytheists, like the philosophical schools you listed. but since the majority of the population couldn't even fucking read or write, let alone have the time to engage in philosophy. Philosophy is the game of those with time for leisure as Aristotle said. If you are working in a farm or are a fisherman, you don't have time to pontificate on the nature of reality and God 99.99% of the time and most people didn't care about the gods as long as they got the shit they wanted from them.

>>15803944
>t. hasn't read a single myth

>>15804009
brainlet

>>15803980
The few that could read might of been philosophers believing in a god but how many of them do you think we're around? The stoics weren't sure wether to care for their children or not let alone god, Justin martyre left his stoic teacher when he told him he wasn't sure if there was a god or not and if it mattered, everyone hated the stoics because there teaching was too hard to bear and made most people into smug assholes, if your interested in this topic I really recommend T. R Glovers progress of religion and religion in the early roman empire, he's was a Oxford classics professor and my favourite historian, although Christian he's completely unbiased

>>15804009
>like the philosophical schools
They are more than just "philosophical schools," they are like entire religious systems unto themselves and were in ways incredibly prolific among the educated. This is why there was simply so much material in Egypt and the regon of Syria. Piety for the gods was still important to the mass of society for the greater half of Greek and Roman civilization prior and leading up to achieving dominance, as one would expect it decayed as affluence grew.
Christianity came and preached to all the peasant retards who were easily manipulated(kind of like leftists today) and it was effective.

>>15804024
>few that could read
Enough people could read to necessitate and build libraries. Even then, people just remembered the whole contents of massive oral canon. A significant percentage of the works stored at the Library of Alexandria was different people writing down the Iliad and Odyssey.

It's not as if the unwashed illiterate masses changed much over 1000 years. Reading the Bible or anything else was a privilege for the few in the church for almost the entirety of Christian history.

It always strikes me as ironic when Christians idolize the Crusaders because they were heathenous pagans at heart. Almost every one couldn't read the Bible, so they filled in the gaps with all sorts of heathenous pagan shit. This was the case for pretty much the entirety of Christian history up until the advent of secular education and spread of literacy under nations that were becoming increasingly anticlerical.

Just for the full perspective, we have more to thank from Freemasonry(which is dwarfed by comparison) for the widespread advent of literacy than we do the Catholic church.

>>15804016
>Myths

>>15804023
Says the retard that thinks pagans weren't ultimately savages. For fucks sake, they literally have gladiatorial combat, which is inhumane by itself. They made being a gladiator even worse by making them prostitutes on the side and debasing them of any human dignity. It's literally barbarian tier.

>>15804045
>They are more than just "philosophical schools," they are like entire religious systems unto themselves and were in ways incredibly prolific among the educated.
No shit. That's why they literally had branches of their philosophy called "theology" or otherwise touched on it.

> Piety for the gods was still important to the mass of society for the greater half of Greek and Roman civilization prior and leading up to achieving dominance, as one would expect it decayed as affluence grew.
Uh no. It's very much like the Prosperity Gospel today where people ask for things from God but don't care to give anything back or to make themselves better people. You act like the vast majority of pagans were anything but retarded peasants just praying for shit to keep them alive and only made sure to make offers to the gods to possibly curry a favor later on, which is exactly what they were. Only the upper class pagans really thought highly of their faith and part of that was because it was a civil religion and more often than not these people were in government, so no shit they would be more pious than the average peasant who only prays for good crops and nothing else.

Stop all this retarded neopagan historical revisionism. It's embarrassing. LARPing as an apologist for a faith you never actually practiced is a new level of pathetic, especially when you know nothing about it clearly.

>>15804072
>You act like the vast majority of pagans were anything but retarded peasants
Never even implied they weren't, the vast majority of Christians are still retarded peasants to whom God is only relevant because they want something. Maybe that's just the human condition.
Get fucked idiot. Learn to read.

>>15804072
>look ma I'm retarded

>>15804072
>Piety for the gods was still important to the mass of society for the greater half of Greek and Roman civilization prior and leading up to achieving dominance
It's not really fucking piety if you are doing something for your own gain rather than because it's good/proper, you retard

>>15804080
>Says the fucking neopagan
Just become an atheist. At least then you'll be being honest with yourself and not look like a gigantic retarded faggot

>>15804090
Yes we know that pretty much every Jew LARPer is a failure at following their own religion, even with literacy. Look at you kvetch about neopagans(which nobody in this discussion claimed to be) because you're such a deluded android faggot that you despise all things that are not Jewish.

>>15804099
>>15804077
Fucking checked.

>>15804099
Sure retard. That's why I didn't even complain about the any of the philosophical schools (other to correct a point you made about them) you brought up and not the fact you are romanticizing Stone Age nonsense when it's diametrically opposed to civilization. Fucking disingenuous faggot.

>>15804116
>other to correct a point you made
You can't even write a coherent sentence, you corrected nothing. Go pray to a foreskin you pedophillic homosexual pervert.

>>15804116
>romanticizing Stone Age nonsense
What is storage nonsense about Plato? He is still currently more relevant in an era of quantum physics than the Bible will ever be.

>>15804120
Cry more faggot. Go fuck your Jupiter statue, you LARPing brainless cuckold.

>>15804128
>literally throws a tantrum
>"c-cry more"
Subhumans like you really have no self awareness huh?

>>15804134
He's basically a tranny. He loves sexualizing little boys and performing reality defying mental gymnastics. You tell these cocksuckers an undeniable fact and their feelings take over.

>>15804123
This is you being disingenuous. I am clearly talking about the more emotionally driven and logically devoid polytheism of Antiquity, not any of the pantheistic or monistic schools of philosophy. Fuck off with that bullshit. The God of the Philosophers is not any of the gods that people worshipped back the, in any sense.


>>15804134
>>15804140
What the fuck do you think you are doing now, you utter bellend? You insulted me first after I responded to you, so now you go and samefag and trying to cope like a spastic retard (and yes, you are samefagging. Why is it that there's an instant response within 30 seconds to a minute of each one of these posts? Plus, you were the only person dumb enough to actually include the God of the Philosphers among fucking pagan gods, which it's not. Philosophy by then had mostly gotten rid of the concept of multiple gods barring maybe the Epicureans and they did not give a shit about the gods at all other than acknowledging they existed).

>>15804156
>You insulted me first after I responded to you
See
>Stop all this retarded neopagan historical revisionism. It's embarrassing. LARPing as an apologist for a faith you never actually practiced is a new level of pathetic, especially when you know nothing about it clearly.
I know that things like "facts," "truth," and "reality" are foreign concepts for a programmed fagbot but at least make some effort to not reveal yourself as so much of an unintelligent superstitious faggot retard queer.

>>15804156
>The God of the Philosophers is not any of the gods that people worshipped back the, in any sense.
Maybe nobodies gods are really the same because it is highly unlikely for two peoples interpretations or thinking to be mirror identical. This one will probably blow whatever is left resembling a mind you have if you are even capable of thinking to ponder it - being a cult member and all.

>>15804161
Yeah, that's not a fucking insult you dipshit. You can say someone has dumb fucking ideas and not expect them to act like a melodramatic little bitch. It's typical in normal human conversations.

>>15804167
>It's typical in normal human conversations.
Clearly not for you since you've been letting out your retard rage for such a long time while contributing not a single intelligent or thoughtful comment at any point.

>>15804167
>Yeah, that's not a fucking insult you dipshit.
>Being a hypocrite is not an insult
>Having a lack of ethics and integrity is not an insult
Well, no, I guess not; they're kind of more observations. You should still feel bad about those things.

They should just make a Christian board and ban them from participating anywhere else

Pagans in 21st century *_*

>>15804180
And then have a mod who bans all the ‘wrong’ denominations. That would be hilarious

>>15804165
Except Platonists and Peripatetics are strictly monotheists, you fucking retard (some later Peripatetics were even atheists and a lot of the skeptical schools of Greek philosophy were agnostic) and rejected the concept of multiple gods. Same thing with the fucking Stoics. It has nothing to do with one's conception of a god or God and everything to do with the underlying ideology. Fuck you are stupid. How about you read this shit up instead of shitting up this board even more with your gay uninformed posts? If you can write all this shit, surely you can bother reading an actual article on philosophy instead of making shit up.


>>15804170
That's fucking rich coming from you, seeing that you're still sperging at me right now the exact same way I would expect an ESE child would.

>>15804174
Why should I feel bad about a conversation that doesn't matter in the long run on a site that has no bearing on my life past entertainment? I don't know you, I don't care about you nor do I even have any sort of obligation towards you since you are doing the same shit to me. Again, why?


>>15804180
>>15804183
Why? That wouldn't be fun.

>>15804190
>That wouldn't be fun.
No, but it would demonstrate the pointlessness of monotheism

>>15804190
>Except Platonists and Peripatetics are strictly monotheists
Retard alert.
"A personal god is a deity who can be related to as a person[1] instead of as an impersonal force, such as the Absolute, "the All", or the "Ground of Being".
Platonism is monistic.
>That wouldn't be fun.
Because you retards never have anything of value to contribute.

>>15804182
>>15804194
I’m aware of what a stawman is, yes

>>15804190
>writes paragraphs of rage
>doesnt say anything accurate
>spams thread with shit memes
>calls others spergs

>>15804072

>Stop all this retarded neopagan historical revisionism.
>>15804054

>>15798401
Pseudonymous writings abounded in every community in the ancient world. They had no concept of intellectual property, no copyright offices, no trademarks, no patents. Furthermore, pagans and gnostics tended to accept these writings without much concern for authorship. You don't really need to ascribe sinister motives to the Church Fathers when they reference these texts.

>>15803901
Some people out there actually believe the shit you're posting lmao

>>15798401
Please share the titles of these works, I am interested in reading them.

>>15799348
>No amount of skeletons in Christianity's closet will convince me that its God isn't real.
Yhwh is real he is just evil, but effective.

>>15800382
Typical catholic not knowing the bible.
The only way to heaven is through christ.

>pagan greco-roman polytheism as religion
shut up you don't know anything about religion you pseuds. the only religions of greece and rome were forgotten mystery cults

i doubt op read justin martyr

>>15804190
>Except Platonists and Peripatetics are strictly monotheists, you fucking retard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>monad is monotheistic

>>15805641
>the only religions of greece and rome were forgotten mystery cults
this, so much this. i don't know why retards in this thread think state gods had religious character. belief and superstition are not knowledge and faith. even platonism was closer to religion.

>>15798401
4/10 bait

>>15798450
Does anyone even take Augustine seriously unless they are delusional Christiancucks? His arguments have been already destroyed by science and philosophy

>>15803980
I don't understand why this "diversity in thinking" is such an admirable trait. Why is it better that we have a gorillion gods and mystery cults derived from nebulous sources and conquered people instead of one God, one faith? The former is not very conducive to homogeneity, even if absolute adherence to a singular belief isn't possible (as shown by schisms and such throughout history). I don't think you periclitate your salvation by adhering to one calendar over another (for example); that would just be a pagan/atheist strawman

>>15806142
Ancient Greeks and Ancient Romans (before they became corrupted by Christianity) were centuries ahead of medieval Christians in the dark ages. It took us until the Renaissance to finally reach their level. Once you have a centralised ideology, you are doomed to stagnation.

>>15806174
>this is your (pagan) mind on history and development
we peaked in the middle ages

>>15802094
Dumezil goes over this.

tl;dr the Romans were acutely aware of their differences from the Greeks. Every Roman god differs greatly from the Greek gods, the conflation of the two was an active process of the Roman elite attempting to merge themselves into the Hellenistic world to overtake it as the imperial power. Hephaestus is a combination of IE crippled-smith god and pre-Greek non-Semitic figures; Vulcan is a deity of fire and ritual purity; other gods (namely Hera vs Juno) differ similarly. Cato, in particular, bitched about perfidious Greek influences.

The Romans made no attempt to spread their ethnic religion outside of the absolute bare minimum necessary to ensure imperial stability (this is why everyone's head god was Jupiter in disguise).

I cannot summarize four books in 4chan posts. Seriously, read them, this period is a lot larger than the layman's understanding of it, and these people were a lot smarter than we give them credit for (not just pagans, but EVERYONE in the Classical and early Medieval period, even Augustine).

>>15804099
>Muh Jew-on-a-stick golem Christain LARPer [insert overused buzzword] cuck fag can't follow their own religion
Can you?

>you despise all things that are not Jewish
Sounds like you're projecting your own rabid racialism onto us.

>>15804123
The Bible has nothing to do with quantum physics. I don't even think Joe Schmoe is going to read about Plato and quantum physics. The Bible on the other hand-

>>15804120
>go pray to a foreskin
Go deify a boy lover

>>15804140
You're the only one talking about sexualizing little boys in this thread. What gives?

>>15804165
Everything is a cult. Everything is Munchausen's syndrome. Everything is Dunning Kruger. There, get it out of your system and stop misdiagnosing and applying labels to everything you don't like (unless you can refute the aforementioned three points, especially with regards to your own beliefs).

>>15804180
They make you that mad, huh?

>>15806142
>Why is it better that we have a gorillion gods and mystery cults derived from nebulous sources and conquered people instead of one God, one faith?
Because then you have more options, which leads to a state of affairs where you get to choose the best one, where bad options die out on their own and where you have a constant stream of new options, which can build on and improve what you have even further. When you have only one option, none of this is possible.

>>15806330
>>15806330
Is this satire? This is one of the dumbest threads I've seen.

>>15806330
>Because then you have more options
More options doesn't necessarily mean better. In the past, many pagan gods seemed to have analogs in other pantheons, so each pantheon was more or less the same flavor of sun god, moon god, X, god, Y god. If I am wrong, I am open to correction.

>which leads to a state of affairs where you get to choose the best one, where bad options die out on their own and where you have a constant stream of new options, which can build on and improve what you have even further
It sounds like you're just applying the evolution theory to religion. Even though the dynamics of religion are different, you do have a sort of progression of religious thought from the origin of Christianity to what we have today. Whenever Christianity changes, you lot complain; when it doesn't change and tries to maintain homogeneity, you lot complain. Truth is, even in Monotheism there can be change, and the change usually is of no importance; it's just sectarian quibbling.

>When you have only one option, none of this is possible
Wrong. Then again, it depends on what you mean by improving a religion. How do you improve a religion? What kind of gods do you have, that are subservient to you and your "improvements?" What kind of faith do you have, that has no strictures whatsoever and merely "evolves" its way to your idea of perfection? Furthermore, if "bad options" die out, what does that say about paganism's death and Christianity's rise?

>>15806174
holy shit this is so much in line with common sense ignorance it's difficult to imagine someone browsing a literature board cherishing such opinions

>>15800425
>leading to a painful path of return.
so catholics teach reincarnation now?

>>15803944
>i read christian propaganda recently and it said pagans are wrong and dumb LOL

>>15804156
do you think Jesus got this asshurt when arguing with the pharisees?

>>15806142
>of one God, one faith?
and which denomination is the true one?

>>15806217
>to overtake it as the imperial power.
This is what I mean, anon. I don't demean in any way Roman intellectual production, their literature production was prolific and beautifully poetic. My planning about studying latin takes Romans into consideration, don't get me wrong.

> Hephaestus is a combination of IE crippled-smith god and pre-Greek non-Semitic figures.
Greece and Rome had semitic influences, even if indirectly through egypt and in this case Hephaestus had particularities, not to say complete equivalence, from the egyptian Ptah.

Anyway, I have been planning to read Mitra-Varuna for so long. Have you read it? How does this book relate to the subject we've been discussing?

>>15806873
how does that post imply reincarnation? catholics teach we fell, don't they? now can you use your brain for a few minutes before making another stupid post?

>>15806960
What specifically does the "painful path" return to? The eskimo is already in a fallen state. It can't get worse for him. If he dies ignorant of whatever is that current day iteration and interpretation of catholic doctrine, his condition will not worsen in any way. If he dies with knowledge of that current day iteration and interpretation of catholic doctrine, but doesn't believe it perfectly, he'll go to hell. So, the proselytizing priest is knowingly taking an enormous risk with the soul of the eskimo, against the eskimo's consent.

>>15807052
>What specifically does the "painful path" return to?
there is so much about the path of return and i don't even take into account a catholic point of view.

>The eskimo is already in a fallen state. It can't get worse for him.
having the possibility to choose and to attune with a natural harmony is worse than having no way to choose things and facing the consequences of a disharmonic life?

> but doesn't believe it perfectly, he'll go to hell.
what does it mean? what is a perfect belief? faith? what do you think hell is? im curious.

>priest is knowingly taking an enormous risk with the soul of the eskimo.
telling the eskimo he is not an animal?

>>15807130
Okay retard you clearly have no theological or traditional basis for anything you are talking about. You couldn't cite even a single book to explain whatever retarded idea you have hacked together. In fact, you won't, but you will post some vague bullshit in response to this post. Don't leave us in suspense.

>>15798401
The credence they gave to spurious writings like the Sybilline Oracles shows that the church fathers had no special insight. They could be fooled like anyone else.

>>15807144
>the church fathers had no special insight. They could be fooled like anyone else.
Uh no they were guided by the HOLY SPIRIT which means they are right about everything, except the stuff my local pastor told me of course.

>>15807135
what a vacuous response serving to expose your own affliction. this post says more about you than anything i have said.
read the church faters, simple. did you expect me to post all patrology here?

>>15807301
Shut the fuck up.

>>15806018
Which arguments?

>>15803980
He argued about those too on City of God.

>>15800288
good post

>>15799389
your a jew. nothing wrong with it, just saying.

>>15798450
The fuck? He lived in Rome at one point

>>15809666
Then Jesus came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. As was His custom, He entered the synagogue on the Sabbath. And when He stood up to read, the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to Him. Unrolling it, He found the place where it was written: " The Spirit of the Lord is on Me, because He has anointed Me to preach good news to the poor…

-Gospel of Luke (4:16-24)

>As was His custom
>He entered the synagogue on the Sabbath.

Rofl, you niggers seriously pray to this Jew?

>>15806949
I liked Mitra-Varuna. However, Dumezil wrote exclusively in French (more of his works have been translated to Italian and Spanish than English, although I've read that after a certain point his works start to repeat themselves), and his French was not only academic but a bit idiosyncratic (or so I've heard), so some of his works can read... oddly, when translated into English. Mitra-Varuna is, in my opinion, almost like an info-dump: There's a LOT in it, and you aren't entirely sure what all matters, and things are sort of sorted and arranged oddly.

Roman Religion is also fantastic. Some of the etymology and linguistics is now dated, but he was practically inventing the field. I view it almost as a primary source on Rome because of just how fucking much the man knew and talks about. It's a fucking tome of a book.

Roman Religion and Roman Honor are two of the bests books I've ever read on the Romans as a people, not just an academic subject.

>>15798444
>encourage relfags to abandon this subversive jewish cult

So instead of respectfully doing it, you would rather have them spam christian stuff out of spite.

>>15810221
Yes.

>>15799716
What is the basis of this belief? How was this seed-idea implanted?

jesus was a hebrew jews as they are known now
didnt exist for at least 2 centuries after his death
DO ANY OF YOU EVEN READ ACCIENT TEXTS

ok anons read this, it is from 'rome contra judea, judea contra rome', by 'europa soberana'. like op i have read most of the early 'fathers' by now and if you can read between the lines you realize christianity is jew communism, complete with death camps and exterminating millions it deems 'reactionaries' for wanting to preserve their native culture, art and so on. the scythopolis stuff is also documented by cyril of scythopolis, john of ephesus and maximus the confessor. i noticed there is nothing about scythopolis on wikipedia, which instead just covers israeli beit she'an with nothing about the death camps.

In 306, Constantine ‘The Great’ rises to power. He reigned from 306 to 337. This emperor was not a Christian, but his mother Helena was, and he soon declared himself a strong supporter of Christianity. In the year 313, through the Edict of Milan, ‘religious freedom’ is proclaimed and the Christian religion is legalised in the Roman Empire by Constantine representing the Western Empire, and Licinius representing the Oriental Empire. The Roman Empire is in clear decadence because not only the original Romans were debasing themselves with luxury, voluptuousness and opulence and refusing to serve in the legions. The Christians have now infiltrated the bureaucratic elite, and already numerous influential characters practice it and defend it. The Edict of Milan was important since it had ended once and for all the clandestinely in which the Christian world was immersed.

Once legalised, the Christians begin to attack without quarter the adepts of Hellenic culture. The Council of Ancyra of 314 denounces the cult of the goddess Artemis (the favorite and most beloved goddess of the Spartans). An edict of this year provokes for the first time that hysterical populaces begin to destroy Greco-Roman temples, break statues and murder the priests. We have to get an idea of what was involved in the destruction of a Temple in the Ancient World. A Temple was not only a place of religious worship for priests but a place of meeting and reference for all the people. (In our days soccer stadiums or nightclubs are minimally similar to what the Temple represented for the people.) To destroy it was tantamount to sabotaging their unity, destroying the people themselves.

As for the breaking of statues, the Greeks - and this was inherited by the Romans - firmly believed that their best individuals were similar to the gods, of whom they considered themselves descendants. This is very clearly seen in Greek mythology, where there were mortals so perfect and beautiful that many gods (like Zeus) took mortal lovers, and many goddesses (like Aphrodite) did the same. In addition, many particularly perfect and brave individuals could reach Olympic immortality as just another god. Only a people who consider themselves so close to the gods could have devised this. And to leave reflected what was that human type loved by the divine forces, the Greeks established a canon of perfection for the body and face, on which was created a network of complex mathematical proportions and sacred numbers. To destroy a statue was to destroy the Hellenic human ideal: it was to sabotage the capacity of man to reach the very divinity, from which he advances and to which he must return one day.

While destructions of Greco-Roman heritage takes place, and as a reminder that early Christianity was always philo-Jewish and anti-Roman, Constantine allows Jews to visit Aelia Capitolina (Jerusalem) to mourn at the Western Wall: the only thing that remains of the Temple. Thus, Constantine breaks the prohibition decreed to the Jews in the year 134, when the Roman legions annihilated the Palestinian Revolt of Bar Kokhba during the Third Jewish-Roman War.

By this time, the emperor needs a force of union for the melting pot of races that have been imposed in Rome. There were many ‘salvation cults’ with rites practiced in secret, mainly of the underground type of cults that always arise in times of decadence and degeneration. There is the cult of Mithras (a cult of Iranian origin and military character, already corrupted by the masses although during an ascending era it was popular in the Roman legions), and the cult of Cybele. The emperor chose Christianity for his empire, not because of its value as a religion, but because of its Semitic intolerance; its fanaticism - famous throughout the empire -, its centuries-old experience as a tool of intrigue, its intelligence networks and its equalizing, proselytising and globalising ethos make it the perfect ‘emergency religion’. The other religions, lacking intolerance, would not impose themselves by violence on reluctant people with that unifying effect of a flock of sheep that Christianity will provide. And what the unwise Constantine needs is precisely a flock, not a combination of different people each with its own identity. Christianity, therefore, slightly prolongs the agony of the Roman Empire. People begin to convert to Christianity by snobbishness and climbing eagerness, to reach high positions: that is, to make a career.

In 324 Constantine ordered to destroy the temple of the god Asclepius in Cilicia, as well as numerous temples of the goddess Aphrodite in Jerusalem, Afak (Lebanon), Mamre, Phoenicia, Baalbek, and other places.

326 CE: Constantine changes the capital of his empire to Byzantium, which he renames with the name Nuova Roma. This, together with the adoption of Christianity, means a radical change within the Roman Empire. From then on, the Roman focus of cultural attention changes from its origin in northern Europe and Greece, to Asia Minor, Syria, Palestine and North Africa (the Eastern Mediterranean, from which most of the inhabitants of the Empire now come): importing models of dark Semitic beauty unthinkable for the ancient Romans who, like the Greeks, had the Nordic beauty in high esteem as a sign of noble and divine origin.

330 CE: Constantine steals statues and treasures from Greece to decorate Nuova Roma (later Constantinople), the new capital of his empire. At this same time, a bishop from Caesarea, Asia Minor, later known as St. Basil who is credited with grandiose phrases such as ‘I wept for my miserable life’, laid the foundations for what would later become the Orthodox Church.
337 CE: On his deathbed, Emperor Constantine I is baptized a Christian, becoming the first Christian Roman emperor. The Judeo-Christian sycophants, wanting to make clear what example of an emperor he was, will call him Constantine ‘the Great’ or ‘Saint Constantine’.

Constantine’s heir: Constantius
341 CE: Emperor Constantius, who reigned from 337 to 361 was another fanatical Christian who proclaimed his intention to persecute ‘all fortune-tellers and pagans’. Under his reign many Greek Hellenists are imprisoned, tortured and executed. Famous Christian leaders such as Marcus of Arethusa or Cyril of Heliopolis do their way, particularly demolishing temples, burning important writings and persecuting the Hellenists who, in some way, threaten the expansion of the incipient Church.

We cannot doubt that, at least in part, Christianity used its repugnance for Roman decadence to persecute any pagan cult, just as Islam today rejects the decline of Western Civilization. This was just the perfect excuse how Christianity justified its deeds and exterminated classical culture. That which Christianity systematically persecuted with shameful excuses, was something pure and aristocratic: luminous Hellenism, love of gnosis, art, philosophy, free debate and the natural sciences. It was Egyptian, Greek and Persian knowledge. What Christianity was doing with its persecution and extermination was literally erasing the traces of the gods.
346 CE: Another great anti-Hellenist persecution in Constantinople. The famous anti-Christian author and speaker Libanius is accused of being a ‘magician’ and is banished. At this point, what was once the Roman Empire has gone crazy, chaotic and unrecognisable. The patriotic Romans must take their hands to their heads when they see how ignorant crowds snatch from their heirs all the harvest of the ancient cultures, not only of Rome itself but also of Egypt, Persia and Greece.

353-54 CE: A decree by Constantius establishes the death penalty for anyone who practices a religion with ‘idols’. Another decree, in 354, orders to close all the Greco-Roman temples. Many of them are assaulted by fanatical crowds, who torture and murder the priests, loot the treasures, burn the writings, destroy works of art that today would be considered sublime and destroy everything in general. Most of the temples that fall in this era are desecrated, being converted into stables, brothels and gambling halls. The first lime factories are installed next to these closed temples, from which they extract their raw material - in such a way that a large part of classical sculpture and architecture is transformed into lime!

In this same year of 354, a new edict plainly orders the destruction of all Greco-Roman temples and the extermination of all ‘idolaters’. The killings of the adepts of Greco-Roman culture, the demolitions of their temples, the destructions of statues and the fires of libraries throughout the empire follow each other.

Let us not make the mistake of blaming the Christianised Roman emperors. They were ridiculous and weak men, but they were in the hands of their educators. The instructors, who respond to the type of vampiric and parasitic priest so hated by Nietzsche, were the true leaders of the meticulous and massive destruction that was taking place. The numerous bishops and saints to whom we have referred were ‘cosmopolitan’ men of Jewish education, many of whom had been born in Judea, or came from essentially Jewish areas. They were transformed Jews who, having come in contact with their enemies, studying them carefully and hatefully, knew how to destroy them. They had a broad rabbinical education and knew in depth the teachings of classical culture, dominating the Latin, Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic, Syrian and Egyptian languages. Such characters, of an intelligence and a cunning as outstanding as their resentment, were convinced that they were building a new order, and that to do so it was necessary to erase a hundred percent every trace of any previous civilisation, and any thought that was not of Jewish origin. We must recognise that their psychological knowledge and their mastery of propaganda were of a very high level.

356 CE: All the rituals of classical culture are placed outside the law and punished by death. A year later, all methods of divination, including astrology, are also proscribed.
359 CE: In the very Jewish city of Scythopolis, (province of Syria, today corresponds to Beit She’an, in Israel), Christian leaders organise nothing more and nothing less than a concentration camp for the adepts of classical culture, detained throughout the empire.

In this field those who profess the old beliefs, or who simply opposed the Church, are imprisoned, tortured and executed. Over time, Scythopolis becomes a whole infrastructure of camps, dungeons, torture cells and execution rooms, where thousands of Hellenists would go. The most intense horrors of the time take place here. It was the gulag that the communism of the time used to suppress the dissidents.11 11 Note of C.T.: Unlike Karlheinz Deschner, who uses thousands of footnotes in his books about the criminal history of Christianity, Evropa Soberana does not reference most of what he writes. I guess his source for the Judaeo-Christian death camp in Scythopolis was Ammianus Marcellinus. Scholars of the 14 words really need to start building a library in Greek and Latin that includes the collection of the Loeb Classical Library to properly reference these historical tragedies so difficult to find without a proper bibliographical guide.

[then 'europa' continues with julian the apostate, the failed restorer of paganism, then it just keeps getting worse under theodosius etc.:]

Julian, the last patriotic emperor of Rome, is succeeded by Emperor Flavius Jovian: a fundamentalist Christian who reinstates terror, including the Scythopolis camps. In 364 he orders the burning of Antioch’s library. We must assume that what has come to us today from the philosophy, science, poetry and art in general of the classical era is nothing but a mutilated dispossession of what was left behind from the Christian destruction.
Through a series of edicts, the emperor decrees the death penalty for all individuals who worship the ancient gods instead of the god of the Jews (including domestic and private worship) or practice divination; and all the assets of the temples of the old religions are confiscated. With a decree of 364, the emperor forbids non-Christian military leaders to command over Christian troops.

>>15806245
>The Bible has nothing to do with quantum physics
It doesn't have much to do with history, science, facts, truth, or reality in general.
>Go deify a boy lover
Plato said that pedophillic fags like you should be put in prison, though.
>You're the only one talking about sexualizing little boys in this thread.
Ironic considering it is what your whole religion is universally associated with. What gives homo? Fucking KYS and go back to plebbit already you piece of garbage.

That same year, Jovian is succeeded by Emperor Valentinian, another insane fundamentalist. In the eastern part, his brother Valens continued the persecution of the followers of classical culture, being especially cruel in the easternmost part of the empire. In Antioch, he executed the former governor and the priests Hilary and Patrician. The philosopher Semonides is burned alive and Maximus, another philosopher, is decapitated. All the Neo-Platonists and loyal men to Emperor Julian are persecuted with fury. At this point there should already be a strong anti-Christian reaction from the part of the wise men and all the patriots in general. But it was too late and their only option was to preserve their knowledge in some way. In the squares of the eastern cities huge bonfires are erected where the sacred books, the Gnostic texts, the Egyptian teachings, the Greek philosophy, the Roman literature burns.

The classic world is being destroyed, and not only in that present, but also in the past and in the future. The Christian fanatics want, literally, to erase all traces of Egypt, Greece and Rome; that nobody knows that they ever existed and, above all, know what the Egyptians, the Greeks and the Romans have said, thought and taught.
372 CE: Emperor Valentinian orders the governor of Asia Minor to exterminate all the Hellenes (meaning as such the non-Christian Greeks of ancient Hellenic lineage, i.e., the Aryans, and, especially, the old Macedonian ruling caste) and destroy all documents relating to their wisdom. In addition, the following year he again prohibits all methods of divination.

Theodosius ‘the Great’
389 CE: Emperor Theodosius (reign 379 to 392) decrees, through the edict of Thessalonica, that Christianity is officially the only tolerable religion in the Roman Empire, although this has been obvious for years. Theodosius calls non-Christians ‘crazy’ as well as ‘disgusting, heretics, stupid and blind’.

Bishop Ambrose of Milan starts a campaign to demolish the temples in his area. In the ancient Greek sanctuary of Eleusis, Christian priests throw a hungry crowd, ignorant and fanatical against the temple of the goddess Demeter. The priests are almost lynched by the mob. Nestorius, a venerable old man of 95 years, announces the end of the mysteries of Eleusis and foresees the submergence of men in darkness for centuries.

381 CE: Simple visits to the Hellenic temples are forbidden, and the destruction of temples and library fires throughout the eastern half of the empire continues. The sciences, technology, literature, history and religion of the classical world are thus burned. In Constantinople, the temple of the goddess Aphrodite is turned into a brothel, and the temples of the god Helios and the goddess Artemis are converted into stables. Theodosius persecutes and closes the mysteries of Delphi, the most important of Greece, which had so much influence on the history of ancient Greece.
382 CE: The Jewish formula Hellelu-Yahweh or Hallelujah (‘Glory to Yahweh’) is instituted in Christian masses.

384 CE: The emperor orders the praetor prefect Maternus Cynegius, uncle of the emperor and one of the most powerful men of the empire, to cooperate with the local bishops in the destruction of the temples in Macedonia and Asia Minor.
385-88 CE: Cynegius, encouraged by his fanatical wife, and together with Bishop St Marcellus, organises bands of Christian ‘paramilitary’ murderers who travel throughout the Eastern Empire to preach the ‘good news’; that is, to destroy temples, altars and reliquaries. They destroy, among many others, the temple of Edessa, the Kabeirion of Imbros, the temple of Zeus in Apamea, the temple of Apollo in Didyma and all the temples of Palmyra. Thousands are arrested and sent to the dungeons of Scythopolis, where they are imprisoned, tortured and killed in subhuman conditions.

And in case any lover of antiquities or art comes up with restoring, preserving or conserving the remains of the looted, destroyed or closed temples, in 386 the emperor specifically prohibits the practise!

388 CE: The emperor, in a Soviet-like measure, forbids talks on religious subjects probably because Christianity cannot be sustained and can even suffer serious losses through religious debates. Libanius, the old orator of Constantinople once accused of a magician, directs to the emperor a desperate and humble epistle Pro Templis (‘In Favour of the Temples’), trying to preserve the few remaining temples.
389-90 CE: All non-Christian holidays are banned. Savage groups of those times, headed by hermits of the desert, invade the Roman cities of East and North Africa. In Egypt, Asia Minor and Syria, these hordes sweep away temples, statues, altars and libraries; killing anyone who crosses their path. Theodosius I orders the devastation of the sanctuary of Delphi, centre of wisdom respected throughout the Hélade, destroying its temples and works of art. Bishop Theophilus, the patriarch of Alexandria, initiates persecutions of the Hellenists, inaugurating in Alexandria a period of real battles on the streets. He converts the temple of the god Dionysus into a church, destroys the temple of Zeus, burns the Mithraic and profanes the cult images. The priests are humiliated and mocked publicly before being stoned.
391 CE: A new decree of Theodosius specifically prohibits looking at the shattered statues! The persecutions of the whole empire are renewed.

In Alexandria, where the tensions were always very common, the pagan minority, headed by the philosopher Olympius, carries out an anti-Christian revolt. After bloody street fights with dagger and sword against crowds of Christians who outnumber them greatly, the traditionalists entrench themselves in the Serapeum, a fortified temple dedicated to the god Serapis. After encircling the building, the Christian mob, under the patriarch Theophilus, breaks into the temple and murder all those present; desecrates the cult images, plunders the property, burns down its famous library and finally throws down all the construction. It is the famous ‘second destruction’ of the Library of Alexandria, the jewel of ancient wisdom in absolutely every field, including philosophy, mythology, medicine, Gnosticism, mathematics, astronomy, architecture or geometry: a spiritual catastrophe for the heritage of the West. A church was built on its remains.
392 CE: The emperor forbids all ancient rituals, calling them gentilicia superstitio, superstitions of the gentiles. The mysteries of Samothrace are bloodily closed and all their priests are killed. In Cyprus, the spiritual and physical extermination is led by St. Epiphanius - born in Judea and raised in a Jewish environment, with Jewish blood himself. The emperor gives carte blanche to St. Epiphanius in Cyprus, stating that ‘those who do not obey Father Epiphanius have no right to continue living on that island’. Thus emboldened, the Christian eunuchs exterminate thousands of Hellenists and destroy almost all the temples of Cyprus. The mysteries of the local Aphrodite, based on the art of eroticism and with a long tradition, are eradicated. In this fateful year there are insurrections against the Church and against the Roman Empire in Petra, Areopoli, Rafah, Gaza, Baalbek and other eastern cities. But the Eastern-Christian invasion is not going to stop at this point in its push towards the heart of Europe.

>>15811871
>Plato said that pedophillic fags like you should be put in prison, though.
God damn what a roast. Simultaneously showing Jew LARPers as deceitful illiterates while grilling them for sucking boy dick.

393 CE: The Olympic Games are banned, as well as the Pythia Games and the Aktia Games. The Christians must have sensed that this cult for ‘profane’ and ‘mundane’ sports of agility, health, beauty and strength must logically belong to the Greco-Roman world, and that sport is an area where Christians of the time could never reign. Taking advantage of the conjuncture, the Christians plunder the temple of Olympia.
394 CE: In this year all gymnasiums in Greece are shut down by force. Any place where the slightest dissidence flourishes, or where unchristian mentalities thrive, must be shut down. Christianity is neither a friend of the muscles nor of athletics or of triumphant sweat: but of the tears of impotence and of terrifying tremors. That same year, Theodosius removed the statue of Victory from the Roman Senate. The so-called ‘war of the statue’ thus ended: a cultural conflict that pitted Hellenist and Christian senators in the Senate, removing and restoring the statue numerous times. The year 394 also saw the closing of the temple of Vesta, where the sacred Roman fire burned.

Emperor Arcadius
395 CE: Theodosius dies, being succeeded by Arcadius (reign 395 to 408). This year, two new decrees reinvigorate the persecution. Rufinus, a eunuch and prime minister of Arcadius, makes the Goths invade Greece knowing that, like good barbarians, they will destroy, loot and kill. Among the cities plundered by the Goths are Dion, Delphi, Megara, Corinth, Argos, Nemea, Sparta, Messenia and Olympia. The Goths, already Christianized in Arianism, kill many Greeks; set fire to the ancient sanctuary of Eleusis and burn all its priests, including Hilary, priest of Mithras.
396 CE: Another decree of the emperor proclaims that the previous culture will be considered high treason. Most of the remaining priests are locked in murky dungeons for the rest of their days.
397 CE: The emperor literally orders to demolish all the remaining temples.

398 CE: During the Fourth Ecclesiastical Council of Carthage (North Africa, now Tunisia) the study of Greco-Roman works is forbidden to anyone, even the Christian bishops themselves. 399 CE: Arcadius, once again, orders the demolition of the remaining temples. At this point, most of them are in the deep rural areas of the empire.
400 CE: Bishop Nicetas destroys the Oracle of Dionysus and forcibly baptizes all non-Christians in the area. By this final year of the fourth century, a definite Christian hierarchy has already been established which includes priests, bishops, archbishops of larger cities and the ‘patriarchs’: the archbishops responsible for major cities, namely Rome, Jerusalem, Alexandria and Constantinople.
401 CE: A crowd of Christians lynched the Hellenists in Carthage, destroying temples and statues. In Gaza, the Hellenists are lynched at the request of Bishop Porphyry, who also orders the destruction of the nine temples still standing in the city. That same year, a council in Chalcedon commands the excommunication – even after their deaths! - of Christians who keep good relationships with their Hellenist relatives.
St. John Chrysostom, ‘Holy and Father of the Church’, raises funds with the help of rich, boring, idle and resentful Christian women against the patriarchal Roman worship of perfection and war (such women are fascinated by the sickly Christian sadomasochism). Thus financed, he carries out a work of demolition of Greek temples.

Thanks to the work of ‘Saint’ John Chrysostom, the ancient temple of Artemis in Ephesus is demolished.

>>15811929
>he carries out a work of demolition of Greek temples.
He also gloats about the censoring of the same Greek philosophers who fueled the Renaissance when they later came back in vogue. Chrysostom was a real niggerfaggot.

>>15798450
He was litteraly the God to retoritian for the high society in Rome.

408 CE: Emperor Honorius of the Western Empire and Emperor Arcadius of the Eastern Empire ordered together that all Greco-Roman sculptures be destroyed. There are again destructions of temples, massacres and fires of their writings. Around this time, the famous African St. Augustine, Bishop of Hippo, ‘Saint, Father and Doctor of the Church’ massacred hundreds of pagans in Calama, Algeria. (It will not be long before he died at the hands of the Vandals, a Germanic people that don’t walk around nonsense.)
Augustine also established the persecution of judges who show mercy to the ‘idolaters’.

This same year of 408 the emperor Arcadius dies, being succeeded by the Emperor Theodosius II. To get an idea of the fanaticism, dementia and moral quality of this abortive subhuman, suffice it to say that he ordered children to be executed for playing with pieces of destroyed Greco-Roman statues. According to the same Christian historians, Theodosius II ‘meticulously followed the Christian teachings’.

Judaea, victorious
416 CE: A famous Christian leader known as ‘Sword of God’ exterminates the last ‘pagans’ of Bithynia, Asia Minor. That year, in Constantinople all public officials, army commanders and judges who are not Christians are fired.
423 CE: The emperor decrees that ‘paganism’ is ‘a cult of the devil’ and orders that all those who continue to practice it be imprisoned and tortured.
429 CE: The Athenians are persecuted, and the temple of the goddess Athena - the famous Parthenon of the Acropolis - is looted.

>>15811934
thank you for reading. fin:

435 CE: In this year occurs the most significant action on the part of Emperor Theodosius II: He openly proclaims that the only legal religion in Rome apart from Christianity is Judaism! Through a bizarre, subterranean and astonishing struggle, Judaism has not only persecuted the old culture, and Rome, its mortal archenemy, adopts a Jewish creed - but the Jewish religion itself, so despised and insulted by the old Romans, is now elevated as the only official religion of Rome along with Christianity!

We must recognise the conspiratorial astuteness and the implacable permanence of objectives of the original Judeo-Christian nucleus! What they did was literally turn the tables on their favor: turn Rome into anti-Rome; put at the service of Jewry everything that the Jews so hated; take advantage of the strength of Rome and its state apparatus, to put Rome against Rome itself in a sinister political-spiritual jiu-jitsu - from spitted slaves, trampled, insulted, despised and looked down, to absolute spiritual masters of the Roman Empire! In a nutshell, Christianity was a subversive movement of agitation against Rome, against Greece and, ultimately, against the European world.

As already stated, we have to assume that what has come down to us from the Greco-Roman world is only a tiny part of what was really there and that it was taken away by the Judeo-Christian destruction. Christianity, as a slave rebellion devised and led by Jews with the aim of destroying Roman power - and, ultimately, all European power - was and is a doctrine aimed at converting vigorous peoples into a domesticated flock of sheep.

>>15806245
>"They make you that mad, huh?"
>Responds to 7 posts with cope and seethe
You really are a sensitive little bitch arent you?

>>15811929
Based John.

Basedpagan fags BTFO.

>>15811826
fuckin pagan heathens

what a fucking turd of a thread

>>15811929
based. if only they could imagine pagan basedboys would be crying on the internet 1600 years later

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Superficial and one-sided account. There are archeological evidences showing that destruction of temples were RARE with christians. Most of christians attack were REACTIONS. Greco-Roman paganism was already in decline, even pagans like Plotinus rejected their ''gods'' in favour of the One. Common greco-roman religion was superstitious and superficial, it was taken from the egyptians and corrupted with practical-social functions. This is why it is so appealing to /pol/tards, there was no faith, no spirituality, but nationalism, state-idolatry, means to mundane power.

>>15800288
>, Christ reunites in Himself the Osirian-Horian symbolique of Passion and Resurrection. Egyptian theology echoes in Christianity with so much force that it incarnates the truth of both egyptian and greek theologies. The difference from the Orphic-Dyonisian cult, is that Christ incarnated, the anthropocosmikos humanized
OK Dugin.

>>15798401
LARPagans got btfo by based christians, not suprised

>>15811951
Not sensitive enough to demand members of a certain religion to be confined to a separate board. And you might be confusing me for a different poster

>>15811871
>It doesn't have much to do with history, science, facts, truth, or reality in general.
Wrong

>Plato said that pedophillic fags like you should be put in prison, though
I'm not a pedophilic fag, and Plato is not a Greek god, just a philosopher.

>Ironic considering it is what your whole religion is universally associated with
Associated by you types, you mean. Why are you so mad? The Catholic church has pedophiles, but so does every human institution. We don't think education is bad because there are so many pedophilic teachers, or that groups like the Boy Scouts are bad because they have pedophiles in their ranks. At least we repugn it, your ancestors seemed to be more divided on the matter.

>>15811903
How can it be a roast when it's so off the mark?

>>15798401
Religion can me said to be a sort of skeleton key. The dove's tails are within us as receptors in the brain are brain are. As long as the code has artifacts that are similar, the soul will grow in and around a story. This is the nature of plasticity.

>>15807508
lol

>>15800425
Blessed anon

>>15813855
>detailed historical account
vs.
>nuh uh
Do you realize how pathetic it makes christians look to make a post like yours?

>>15815009
>The Catholic church has pedophiles, but so does every human institution.
Oops, you forgot that the church is a divine institution and the body of christ. Hurry up and google some rationalizations for that one.

>>15816504
>one-sided narrative skipping holistic account
>detailed and historical
now i am sure i am dealing with someone dishonest, but let's try. also i was at work so i couldn't extend on my post.

>As a result of recent work, it can be stated with confidence that temples were neither widely converted into churches nor widely demolished in Late Antiquity. …. In his Empire-wide study, Bayliss located only 43 cases [of desacralisation or active architectural destruction of temples] of which a mere 4 were archaeologically confirmed.

>The pagans, amazed at so unexpected an exposure, could not suffer it in silence, but conspired together to attack the Christians. They killed many of the Christians, wounded others, and seized the Serapeum, a temple which was conspicuous for beauty and vastness and which was seated on an eminence. This they converted into a temporary citadel; and hither they conveyed many of the Christians, put them to the torture, and compelled them to offer sacrifice. Those who refused compliance were crucified, had both legs broken, or were put to death in some cruel manner.

I will not extend myself on the latter part of my post since all of that is self-evident.
Start reading pic related if you actually cares about truth.

>>15816558
And your pagan gods- why should I follow them if we all go to Tartarus? If I must merely be a brave, or vital man, then I can destroy their statues and temples, no?

Besides, I forgot nothing, and you forgot that the church is composed of the followers as well as the clergy. All are imperfect and sinful, but this doesn't contradict the church being a divine institution or the "body of Christ." Sin estranges man from the "body of Christ, just as a member with necrosis is cut off

>>15816504
There were specific arguments made in that post.

>>15816633
Why should I believe your own account is not one-sided and skipping a holistic account? Christians have had the motivation as well as hundreds of years of opportunity to skew the historical record.

>>15798444
>watch how subversive X is in my subversion

>>15798401
All religions lie about their ancestrals ideologies. Just watch BLM and the religion of equality iconoclast and blaspheme against those which created them.

>>15816661
And who's to say the pagan account wasn't lying? Both seem just as unbelievable to me

>>15816650
>And your pagan gods- why should I follow them if we all go to Tartarus? If I must merely be a brave, or vital man, then I can destroy their statues and temples, no?
I haven't said anything about any gods except Yhwh in this thread. It's very common for someone to be critical of the ridiculous ideas in judaism and its descendants, the christians. All kinds of people don't believe the monotheistic lie.

>Besides, I forgot nothing, and you forgot that the church is composed of the followers as well as the clergy. All are imperfect and sinful, but this doesn't contradict the church being a divine institution or the "body of Christ." Sin estranges man from the "body of Christ, just as a member with necrosis is cut off
In this case there is no reason to believe that christianity is any better than anything else, being as its adherents are "imperfect and sinful". Couple that with blatantly false historical claims that christianity is necessarily dependent on (the resurrection, which simply did not happen, and of course many other claims such as the dead rising from their tombs and annoying people in Jerusalem as claimed by the author of Matthew) and the only reason that someone would remain being a christian is because their ability to reason is polluted. This wouldn't be a problem if the destruction of all competing ideas wasn't absolutely necessary to judaism, christianity, and islam, which all have clear and consistent histories of iconoclasm and intolerance.

>>15816661
this is history you idiot, but if you don't care about archeological evidences, you just confirm what i said.

>>15816736
No, my ideas are history. Yours are wrong.

>>15816723
>I haven't said anything about any gods except Yhwh in this thread
Without IDs, I couldn't have known.

> It's very common for someone to be critical of the ridiculous ideas in judaism and its descendants, the christians
Only a coward backs off where the fighting is the greatest.

> All kinds of people don't believe the monotheistic lie.
Good for them.

>In this case there is no reason to believe that christianity is any better than anything else, being as its adherents are "imperfect and sinful".
All adherents are imperfect and sinful. If anything, it is these "imperfect and sinful" adherents that need Christianity the most, let alone those in other religions that exalt what (mind you) Christianity sees as sinful.

>Couple that with blatantly false historical claims that Christianity is necessarily dependent on
That's a different argument

>The resurrection, which simply did not happen
Stunning insight

>and of course many other claims such as the dead rising from their tombs and annoying people in Jerusalem as claimed by the author of Matthew.
The author of Matthew was Matthew, unsurprisingly. And I dare say your arguments have almost convinced me of the absurdity I found my belief on. Had you said what you said with more conviction, perhaps I'd have apostatized on the spot.

>and the only reason that someone would remain being a christian is because their ability to reason is polluted
Then they of all people need Christianity, as there is no reason without God.

>this wouldn't be a problem if the destruction of all competing ideas wasn't absolutely necessary to...
What's the problem with this? The tolerant, effeminate religions of the world are purged, the demanding ones remain. Otherwise, we end up with a flurry of vague mysteries, oracles, and gods hiding among the clouds, up there in Mount Olympus where anyone can travel and see for themselves that there are no gods there. If they aren't really located on that mountain, then I still have nothing to fear from them. I'll go to Tartarus like the rest, and bear whatever punishment they have in store for me (and if they do not punish me, why respect them?).

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>>15806214
No we didn't. Romans has heated floors and aqueducts. Fastfoward 1k years, you had brain-dead Christians thinking Roman structures thinking they were built by giants. We would be colonising several galaxies by now if it wasn't by the retarded Christians ruining everything as usual

>>15817025
That's all? Heated floors and aqueducts? Forgetting the fact that the dark period you're alluding to was unlike the period the Romans went through, and other civilizations you also revile (i.e. Islamic) were flourishing at the time.

>We would be colonizing several galaxies by now
Why is this a good, or even necessary thing? How do you know we'd be colonizing several galaxies by now? These are all vague, baseless claims that even atheists make (which is really what the pagan is, albeit with a veneer of mysticism).

>>15798401
why does this matter? would it have been better to destroy their idols and their culture? subversion isn't bad in itself, what matters is the purpose.

>>15817025
>We would be colonising several galaxies by now
Probably not. Space travel will never happen. The moon landing was a hoax anyway, and the problem of the van Allen radiation belt will never be solved. Earth is all we got.