/lit/ - Literature

>>15772135
>and the size and content of countries changing and so on.
yes

He's a meme, not meant to be taken seriously.

>>15772135
In a sense he's a bit like my boomer uncles who believe some contrived coincidental nonevent about a small injury they got in highschool is a proof of God's intervention.

>>15772135
>Like that money will eventually come to not have any practical value
If you read what he said in The Reign of Quantity you know he meant physical money, and he’s been proven right.

>world is worse with modern progress
Well, there is nothing so opposite as ancient and modern mentalities.

>Atlantis
Yes we have ancient writings referring to these people, it is remarkable that they had some connections with the egyptians (the latter being developed out of the atlantic people), plato is the most obvious one.

>>15772135
All of that is extremely based and science will confirm it soon.

>>15772287
>Yes we have ancient writings

We do? I thought it wasn't referenced outside of Plato's Timaeus.

>>15772287
Are you referring to most money in banks just being abstracted and not having any physical counterpart? I’m not entirely sure that’s what is being referred to but you persuaded me a little

>Like that money will eventually come to not have any practical value and we will stop using it

Guénon states that money will disappear so to speak in a sense that it will be pure quantity. Guénon was a literal prophet by saying this few decades before the world's first microchip was invented. Coming to this day, most of our money is electronic ones and zeros and by 2030 World Economic Forum has estimated 30% of the current value will be stored on a blockchain technology: effectively making even the current electronic money even more quantative.

> modern progression with gems becoming rarer and Atlantis being written out of existence and the size and content of countries changing and so on.

Where are you even finding this quotes? They seem like out of context. Guénon regarded even Egypt as an "Atlantean" civilization and they suffered similar fate as Atlantis, not in a sense of actual continent sinking, but metaphorically.

>>15772135
imagine getting filtered by Guénon
stick to YA fiction

>>15773063
Those are from reign of quantity, the limits of history and geography chapter

Doesn't he also believe in hyperborea

>>15772919
guénon says that in older times physical money was treated way different, they conserved an aspect of holiness, that is, they were aware of a qualitative side of money, they inscribed important figures on coins, symbols were also impressed on it by different traditions.
the thing is that today money in general has lost its qualitative side, physical money is nothing but quantitative representation and this will lead to the disappearance of paper money to literal quantities.

>>15773359
If it can be said that he was referring to what I mentioned then that was very prescient of him

>>15773359
Give the precise chapters and quotes. It seems like you have picked up stuff out of context or misunderstood what was being said

>>15773485
>Spoonfeed me

Fuck off retard

>>15773492
Kill yourself

>>15773494
Ever tried reading an actual book? Instead of shitposting every day of your life on this board, about books that you've never read.

>>15773359
this is not untrue from a historians point of veiw too. its known money was treated qualitatively different in fuedal society begore capitalism and the detachment of money from material value and state markets abd hypothetical capital in home morgage and stuff.

>>15773485
It is in the Reign of Quantity, the Chapter is called The Degeneration of Coinage. It is like 4 pages.

>>15772135
All traditionalists are just delusional retards desu

>>15773580
Good thing Guenon never called himself a "traditionalist" then.

>>15773542
yes, guénon references the middle ages quite a few times, he also mentions some fundamental relation in that time of money with templars, i forgot precisely what he said about it, but if you're interested, that is a chapter worth reading and it is short

>>15773593
His self description doesn't matter objectivelly speaking

>>15773604
>His self description doesn't matter objectivelly speaking

guenon

check out this kino thread
>>/lit/thread/S14255964

>>15774600
OP here, I was the OP of that thread too from back when I read crisis. I made this similar thread now I’ve read reign of quantity and will likely make another one when I read another of his.
It’s scary to me that you bought up that thread, you aren’t stalking my IP or something are you?

>>15772287
>Well, there is nothing so opposite as ancient and modern mentalities.
I have a question, which you wont honestly awnser, what do you think is worse, ancient temple prostitution and dickless transgender priests walking around practising human sacrifice.

Or modern society and please give and explanation.

>>15774654
Well I immediately recalled that thread while reading this thread. The "comedic timing" if you will from "ok I got this, what am I in for" to "what the fuck nobody mentioned this" is top notch. Guenonfags are deluded and I look forward to your next thread

>>15774689
>ancient temple prostitution and dickless transgender priests walking around practising human sacrifice
Where was it a thing

>>15774689
look the way you formulated your question, and you have the nerve to demand honesty from someone else.

>>15774689
I make the same question, will you answer honestly?
What do you think is worse: modern times with global scale of illegal organ trade and human trafficking; free access to homemade videos of sexual exploitation of both underages and adults; lobotomization by pills indiscriminately recommended by ''doctors'' of modern ''medicine''; the menace of being bombed at any time with nuclear weapons; alienation of the individual from any community; much greater chances of being shot by any unstable mentally ill person (which is far from being rare in modern times); and whatnot.

Or ancient times?

>>15775356
Explain why he is wrong anon, that evils were present in the traditional world but not insofar as it was the traditional world, that those were deviations from its essential character and that those evils only came to be worshiped and authoritatively mistaken for the good in modernity.

>>15772135

Generous assumption that most of these /pol/larping "trad" guenonfags actually read

>>15775529
Hhe is not wrong, he is just blind, biased. Those things still happen today, both in ''sacred'' veils and destituted of holiness. He should have in mind that sacred sex was performed as fertility rites, as hieros gamos mimesis, Tantrism has a whole intellectual production about it, has he read anything about that? Does he think it is normal to incite castration in name of mental illnesses, to force children to see themselves as genderless, genderfluid and whatever?
You guys think we see ancient times as perfect, kingdom of heaven on earth, those times were simply full of injustices as always has been and will be, but far from being a nightimare portrayed by people with an opposite mentality. How do you expect any legitimate understanding?

>>15775554
He was answered and his reading of Guénon questioned, vermin. You're doing exactly what poltards do.

>>15775303
>Where was it a thing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_prostitution
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sacrifice
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_history

>>15775356
No attempt being made to awnser the question.

Right on this account, no honest awnser.

>>15775523
>I make the same question, will you answer honestly?
Yes, unlikely you, I am not a coward and a degenerate, so I will no awnser with a question, not directly adressing the issue.

The institution of slavery in the ancient world is a thousand times worse then illegal organ trade or sex slavery. In the modern age sexual slavery is on a fairly small scale and condemded by most of civilized society.

Our modern hospitals and psychiatric institutions are far more civilized then even the more advanced medicine of a man like Galen. We offer universal health care in the more civilized nations and can actually cure many mental disorders, unlike the ancient world.

The potential of nuclear warfare is nothing compared to the constant ungoing threat of tribal warfare, genocides, sexual slavery, opression, mass genocide practised by your average stone age to bronze age society.

Alienations was far more common in ancient societies then in modern societies, compared to modern ones, we have psychology and mass media, they had mass religious movements and people moving into the desert to life monastic lives, because life was to drab and alienating.

But this all boils down that your idea of the past is some kind of fantasy not based in any real past. Take this quote:

>much greater chances of being shot by any unstable mentally ill person (which is far from being rare in modern times)

Bandits, highway men, pirates, etc where highly common in the ancient world. Can you imagine actually risking death or enslavement when trading from Egypt to Cyprus, or not being sure you are save when traveling from Athens to Thebes?

So, now will you give me an honest opinion instaid of a question, will you talk like a man?

How can you defend traditionals when this means turning large parts of the population into slaves, taking away all protection from woman and children and opening them up to sexual slavery and the practise of large scale human sacrifice?

>>15775659
>Those things still happen today,
On a far far smaller scale and civilized society actually condems it.

>He should have in mind that sacred sex was performed as fertility rites,
Absolutely nothing to do with my argument, entire tribes would be subjugated, men forced to work in mines, woman raped, children killed and this was common.

Modernity is not perfect, but there is some idea of universal human rights.

>>15775659
>Does he think it is normal to incite castration in name of mental illnesses, to force children to see themselves as genderless, genderfluid and whatever?
This was fairly common in the ancient world, done to children to become sacred priests for adonis and later as choir boys for the catholic church.

>those times were simply full of injustices as always has been and will be,
The problem is, that seeing sexual slavery or human sacrifice as an injustice, is a modern way of thinking, those ancient didnt see it as injustice.

What did Guenon think of Enochian stuff

>>15775728
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_prostitution
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sacrifice
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_history
all of this was addressed here: >>15775659.
These things are part of human history, retard.

>The institution of slavery in the ancient world is a thousand times worse.
Worse than the New World invasions? Worse than the African colonizations and the atlantic slave trade? All these things being considered NORMAL by the majority of people? Are you serious?

>In the modern age sexual slavery is on a fairly small scale and condemded by most of civilized society.
Oh yeah, sex industry sure has no relevance in modern times and is abhorred so much that you can type five words on a computer at your house to consume it.

>Our modern hospitals and psychiatric institutions are far more civilized, We offer universal health care in the more civilized nations and can actually cure many mental disorders, unlike the ancient world.
Jesus christ, the absolute state of people who browse this board.
Speaking of SUPER developed countries, you know you have to pay basically 50% of what you earn to actually have access to this modern medicine centers, don't you?
What mental disorders are cured? How? Lobotomizing people with harmful pills, shock treatments, institutionalizing people? People in modern times don't even agree on what a mental disorder is, have you heard of people like
Thomas Szasz? Ann Cvetkovich? Peter Franzen?

>The potential of nuclear warfare is nothing compared to the constant ungoing threat of tribal warfare, genocides, sexual slavery, opression, mass genocide practised by your average stone age to bronze age society.
Do you really need an answer to this? You can't be this dishonest, holy shit.

> we have psychology and mass media.
ok this is bait.

stopped reading there.
You are not dishonest, you're just baiting.

>>15775749
>>15775728
you can't even avert yourself from spouting platitudes like ''universal rights'', how do you want me to take you seriously?

>>15772135
i'm going innawoods in a few days for like 45 days. I brought with me 40+ traditionalist books. i'm going to come out so enlightened it's not even funny.

>>15775990
>burns L'ésotérisme de Dante on sixth day after running out of firewood

I can't wait for this guenonfag to die someday.

pls put guenon somewhere so my filter works, thanks

>>15772519
It wasn’t. Everything else is a bunch of shit people made up.

Legitimate question: how far along in French do I have to be to understand Guenon? Right now I can barely say how do you do but something about his work makes me want to become a based intellectual frenchman. Does his stuff translate into english or should it be in the original tongue?

>>15772519
>>15776759
there are even paleontological research pointing to migration of people from atlantic to western africa settling in east africa like egyptian people.

>>15776772
he is not writing poetry, you can read whatever translation to which you have access.

>>15776731
Shut up

>>15776731
fag

>>15775838
>you can't even avert yourself from spouting platitudes like ''universal rights'', how do you want me to take you seriously?
Not an argument, not a honest awnser.

Why dont you try to actually debate me?

You wont, because you dont actually belief in anything. lol

So I picked up Crisis of the Modern World a few days ago and this guy is a full-on maniac. When he says

>"...the primordial tradition of the present cycle comes from the hyperborean region; at a later time there were several secondary currents corresponding to different periods, and one of the most important of these, at least among those whose traces are still discernible, undoubtedly flowed from West to East."

What the hell does that mean? It's not like he makes even a perfunctory effort to explain this bullshit. What is the 'primordial tradition' compared to other traditions? What is the 'present cycle' -- is he talking about his magical Hindu beliefs again here? Is he talking about literal Hyperborea or some German-Scandinavian regional abstraction, and in either case how the hell is even an educated audience supposed to get his point?

I'm not sure even he knows. This whole book is just the ravings of a madman. I don't how how /lit/ memed me into reading this. Interrogating spirituality is one of his biggest missions in life and he doesn't seem to believe in nearly any consistent spiritual truths despite constantly referring to a Truth that he can never grasp. Virtually no theological rigor

>>15779141
yes he is referring to a literal Hyperborea, the man is delusional but guenonfags won't tell you this when they shill his work

>>15775826
>These things are part of human history, retard.
Nice, now why should we return to these conditions?

>Worse than the New World invasions? Worse than the African colonizations and the atlantic slave trade?

Modern concepts about warfare, ethics, antislavery rhetoric and human rights where not yet formulated proberly.

Yes, again you life in a fantasy world of the past influenced by leftwing rhetoric. You dont really know in what culture native americans lives, the constant tribal raids, rapes, genocides commited by one tribe against the other, the American continent went from that to a reasonably stable society with a very low death rate. This is similar to slavery and tribal warfare in Africa, which where all far more brutal then anything the White man did.

> sex industry sure has no relevance in modern times and is abhorred so much that you can type five words on a computer at your house to consume it.
Question how can you read one thing and then pretend I say something completely different.

The scale of sex trade and sexual slavery in the ancient world was on a far bigger and grander scale, entire tribes and cities would see their female population sold into sexual slavery during warfare.

>Jesus christ, the absolute state of people who browse this board.
Why not actually do the research yourself and read a book about modern psychiatry, you would know for example that shock therapy is not like what they show you in Hollywood horror films, the procedure is very carefully done, the patient is put to sleep and it is effective in helping to cure depression.

But lets turn this around, what do you think is sound medicine, killing crazy people, letting them run loose, allowing them to form leper colonies?

>>15775826
>Do you really need an answer to this? You can't be this dishonest, holy shit.
Yes, please explain, constant tribal warfare just brutal stuff, like 20% of males die from warfare, woman get routinely raped and kidnapped, children killed, prisonsers captures and tortured, raped etc.

Literal hell and constant warfare, now compare this to the reasonable peaceful way the americans and russian engaged in war.

>ok this is bait.
What no arguments? If you cant understand how people would have a different view on matters, then maybe you are stupid?

>>15779164
I'm just impressed /lit/ managed to bait me into reading this desu

None of you can understand Guénon because you read him in a literal sense and not metaphorically.

Guénon also talks how America is founded on a Atlantean karma, because they borrowed these strange Freemasonic "New World" beliefs were Ten Tribes of Israel are to be found in America and all the Pyramid symbolism.

Even Crowley notes how Americans have absorbed this karma. Mormonism is a perfect symbolism of this. Crowley writing:
>And then she saw that from this man's brain (Joseph Smith) issued phantoms like pigeons.
They were neither Red Indians nor Israelites, yet they had something of each in their bearing. And these poured like smoke from the head of this little man. In his hand was a book (The Book of Mormon), and he held it over his head. And the book itself was guarded by an angelic figure (Moroni) whose face was extraordinarily stern and unbeautiful, but who scattered with wide hands the wealth of life, children, and corn, and gold. And behind all these things was a great multitude; and about them were the symbolic forms of exile and death and every persecution, and the hideous laughter of triumphant enemies. All this seemed to weigh heavily upon the little man that had created it; Iliel thought that he was seeking incarnation for the sake of its forgetfulness

Guénon also writes how this civilization will absorb the Atlantean karma of Egypt. Egypt slowly disintegrated and lost it's rulership, mostly the Setian and Nubian dynasties foreshadowing it and the Hyksos and other invading nations slowly made it irrelevant and it faded away

Same thing will happen to America, we already starting to see signs of it. There was earlier an earthquake where the Mormon church's trumpet fell from the hands of Moroni, it was a prophetic sign of Doom for America to come.

Disgusting negroid races and all sorts of lowest class scum will disintegrate America and it will suffer similar fate what happened to Egypt, it is written in the history and karma of United States, and every neutral observer will agree with this. Not in a sense "muh magick is real", but understand and unlock symbolism of our world.

>>15779274
Also notice the Red Skin reference of both Guénon and Crowley.

Guénon also writes in his book how the word ADAM, EDOM and Atlantis are related to the word "Red"

American "mutts" are perhaps foreshadowing it, but the Masonic experiment was also to create a "New Man" on this continent. Some sort of Egyptian-Israeli hybrid caricature of Novus Ordo Seclorum.

It is a good thing to know that in the next 100 years America will be utterly destroyed and perhaps fall into some sort of social chaos and disintegration

>>15779274
>>15779283

So is the point that it's a metaphor, i.e. keep to traditions and purity or a civilization will practically die, or that there is an actual spiritual quality to his occult quackery? You seem to want it both ways: "unlocking" symbolism as if it has real power while coyly denying that you're making magical claims.

>>15779296
I'm just making observations

https://www.deseret.com/faith/2020/3/18/21185168/salt-lake-temple-angel-moroni-trumpet-lds-mormon-earthquake-utah

Few month later the BLM riots began.

The negroid classes, the base of the pyramid is revolting against the Masonic Eye.

. The counterpart of the action of cultural demoralization, materialization, and disorganization causes unavoidable social crises to grow increasingly worse and collective situations to grow increasingly desperate and unbearable; in this way, a final conflict will eventually be considered as the means to finally sweep away the last residual resistance.

Guénon observed it (pic related). Crowley observed it. It's not like these two people were even in contact with each other, but you really must be a brainlet if you cannot apply symbolism to world history.

>>15779306
>you read him in a literal sense and not metaphorically
>it is written in the history and karma of United States, and every neutral observer will agree with this. Not in a sense "muh magick is real"

You are talking about 'karma' and the transcendent power of the Masonic Eye, man. You 100 percent do believe, in a literal sense, that "muh magick is real" lol

Your interest in the occult is not so obviously true that you can call anyone who questions your theologically disordered hysteria a brainlet.

>>15779326
No, I've removed the stimoceiver from my brain myself.


I know you are a conformist piece of shit who thinks within context pyramids within pyramids, upside-down triangles fucking shadow pyramid loving cocksucker. So go tell that to all fucking grandchildren of big daddy Rockefeller that there's a foreskin in the underground database.

>that you can call anyone who questions your theologically disordered hysteria a brainlet.

Why don't you go buy some fucking gasoline or groceries? America is a spiritual desert, Crowley was right. Guénon was right. America's time is come, it will sink like Atlantis. Not in a sense of continental sinking, but total social chaos, disorder and irrelevance.

>>15779343
this is your brain on Guénon lmfao. inarticulately yelling about triangles on a himalayan vegetable exchange forum

>>15779180
>/lit/
its really just 1 schizo who's been shilling his tradcel father figure for 2 years, congratulations having some retard shape your reading list

>>15779355
No it's your fucking brain that is about the fucking pyramids.

>Muh social classes muh social strrugle muh Marx muh Pyramid

Your brain is full of mush because you believe in some sort of linear view of history, from primitivism to modernism and from slave classes overcoming the opressive tyrant kings of antiquity and now have the perfect fucking triangle of democracy. Obama is the king and we are all his sons, Someone's singing Lord, kumbaya, Someone's singing Obama, Kumbayaa

Fucking Son of Obama laughing my fucking ass of. Go kneel, wear the mask goy and repeat with me: I CAN'T BREATHE! hahahah fucking faggot

>>15779361
curiosity got the better of me, I'm not proud of it, but that image explains a whole lot

>guenonfag still going on about hyperborea and atlantis after getting BTFO in that infamous thread >>14255964
>still no evidence for these fictional continents made up by some greek men for funsies
>a-actually its allegorical this time!
>really? but according to your literary daddy it says th-
>PYRAMIDS BLM NEGROID CHAOS AMERICA NWO ALEX JONES OBAMA KUMBAYA

>>15779405
Go read some fucking MARX hahahah holy shit you fucking jew

>>15779369
Do your meds come in triangles?

>>15779406
Jews are based though

>>15779406

>>15779416
You don't understand what is a Jew

You think Sammy Davis Jr is a black man? Absolutely not, look at the faces his makes and his whole characters is basically Jewish

Read also pic related. Guénon was right, Americans are hybrid Jewish-Negroid race, founded on Atlantean karma. They are Israelis, but not quite niggers, they are a bit red skinned, but not quite white either

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYihDAhVPko

Just look at this video and read pic related. Can anyone disagree that Sammy Davis Jr is not a Jew? He is a fucking negroid Jewish israelite

Black, Hebrew Negroid Israelite Jew

what the fuck is going on

>>15779274
I have a question, in what sense is your description of Atlantean Karma a metaphore and not literal, because it sounds exactly like you really belief Karma is a real thing, and not some abstraction.

>>15779427
Jews have shaped humanity for the better in my opinion, they are a net positive and are simply resented for their leading roles in transforming our reality.

>>15779431
sounds like a question a triangular marxist would ask

the answer is that he 100% believes in his occult hocus pocus and doesn't like having to openly defend it because it's insane

>the average guenonian is some right wing conspiritard
who would've thunk it

>>15779437
>>15779431
No the problem is that if one would outright deny such concepts one would have to also accept Marxism, Judaism and Materialism as they are all synonymous in a sense.

Same way if you accept Jewish psychoanalyst theories, one has to deny the existence of Spirit.

The traditional civilizations and traditional people believe in triune human being composed of body, soul and spirit. Jewish psychoanalysts in the 20th century came up with a theory that Spirit (in latin, spiritus) does not exist and there is only the body and the psyche. Both of these theories came up same time as communsit revolutions.

This is true in a sense that only Jews have a Spirit, but the goyim nations, as they are on the level of animals, only have animal life and psyche. For example, in the Jewish Kabbalah the animals are endowed with psyche (psukhḗ, “soul”) but the animals lack Spirit. Only "Jews" have a spirit in the Kabbalistic and Talmudic teachings.

So if one would outright accept such considerations, one would also have to accept marxist view of history of the opressed animal people rising against the alpha animals of the pack or some sort of sexual regression of anal fantasy epileptic camel herder view of religions instead of genuine revelation.

Again, I underline the fact that I consider these Jewish fairytales (Marx, Freud etc.) even more ridiculous than the epileptic visions of semitic camel herders like Muhammad. Both are belief systems, but Marxism actually denies the triuine constitution of Man and his elements.

>>15779427
>Read also pic related. Guénon was right, Americans are hybrid Jewish-Negroid race, founded on Atlantean karma. They are Israelis, but not quite niggers, they are a bit red skinned, but not quite white either
Your problem is that you are grossely uneducated, you are here on a site to debate literature, but I bet you've never serious tried reading American authors, learn to understand people from different backgrounds and with different attitudes towards life.

Its a basic fact on an grounded and educated man's life that you occasionally read a novel, so you get a concrete idea how another man might think and life. You dont do that, you inhabit a fantasy world where the lives of other people are not real, so they become atlantean jew-niggers.

How would you know? Just start reading actual literature, you uneducated prick.

>>15779361
squatting really is the healthiest position to poop in, and it does not necessarily entail street shitting. squat toilets are a thing

>>15779442
They are just election tourists who came here in 2016 from r*ddit, dabbled in JBP talking points and shouting the 'praise kek' slogans. They likely found out about Guenon through Bannon and his 'modern world evil' argument was appealing to their magatard mindset stemming from their preconceived notions of modernity being evil but now with a 'jewish' plot superimposed by his /pol/ tier conditioning.

The ironic thing is that Guenon himself was a racemixer who converted to Islam and urged people to abandon the comfy life, something modern guenonians would never do (how else are they gonna shitpost?)

>>15779465
Just answer me this question: you really consider Sammy Davis Jr. a black man?

Have you ever met traditional black skinned people live in Africa?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYihDAhVPko

This man is not a black man or how we understand traditional, black-skinned people of Africa in the sense of "Negroid man". This man (Sammy Davis) is a Jewish-Israelite Negroid hybrid type of Atlantean person, a Freemasonic experiment.

Every sane, neutral observer agrees with me.

>>15779437
>sounds like a question a triangular marxist would ask
Let me guess, everyone who disagrees with you is automatically a Marxist, even though the ideology has been disappearing for the last 40 decades from academia and is very rare today.

>>15779461
If you automatically make refrences to Marxism, Judaism, Freudianism and Materialism when someone asks you a question, you probaly have no idea about the meaning of these words are and know nothing about politics.

Between Marxism and your views, there is an entire world of political ideas, try and place someone in there before you write.

>>15779461
Marxism denies the whole Jewish religious argument.

>>15779479
I dont give a dam what Sammies race is, or why I should care. Why focus on this singer? Why?

You are literally a schizo, who the fuck cares.

>>15779489
>>15779491
So you disagree in the existence of Spirit?

Just Body & Soul?

>>15779489
Read into the context anon, "triangular marxism" was obviously not used seriously

>>15779500
>So you disagree in the existence of Spirit?
>Just Body & Soul?
Sigh, you dont know what is meant with body, soul or spirit, you dont understand the meaning of concepts, you just take abstract words without understanding the meaning and then tie them together with vague schizospeech.

>>15779461
>even more ridiculous than the epileptic visions of semitic camel herders like Muhammad

>also known as ʿAbd al-Wāḥid Yaḥyá (Arabic: عبد الواحد يحيى) after his conversion to Islam
>Guénon's own practice was purely Islamic. He is "not known ever to have recommended anyone to become a Hindu, whereas he introduced many to Islam".[14]
>René Guénon died on Sunday, January 7, 1951; his final word was "Allah".[24]

>>15779498
C.G Jung's observations concerning America:
>Another thing that struck me [in the American] was the great influence of the Negro, a psychological influence naturally, not due to the mixing of blood. The emotional way an American expresses himself, especially the way he laughs, can best be studied in the illustrated supplements of the American papers; the inimitable Teddy Roosevelt laugh is found in its primordial form in the American Negro. The peculiar walk with loose joints, or the swinging of the hips so frequently observed in Americans, also comes from the Negro.[3] American music draws its main inspiration from the Negro, and so does the dance. The expression of religious feeling, the revival meetings, the Holy Rollers and other abnormalities are strongly influenced by the Negro. The vivacity of the average American, which shows itself not only at baseball games but quite particularly in his extraordinary love of talking – the ceaseless gabble of American papers is an eloquent example of this – is scarcely to be derived from his Germanic forefathers, but is far more like the chattering of a Negro village. The almost total lack of privacy and the all-devouring mass sociability remind one of primitive life in open huts, where there is complete identity with all members of the tribe.

Most Americans, especially the WASPs, seem to think of themselves as some sort of representatives of their European forefathers on the new continent. This is prevalent mostly among the types we cannot classify as the so-called fifty-sixters or 'mutts' in general, but who by their physical charasteristics closely resemble traditional caucasoids. But further observation and examination of this so-called "white bastion" proves quite otherwise.

We could take Donald Trump as an example. Werner Sombart, one of the greatest sociologists of all time, noted about Americans once: "they mistake bigness for greatness". Now, this trait is not found in all non-European peoples or peoples of color, especially those who have retained their Tradition. For example, an authentic Arab of the old race, a redskin Indian, an East Asian are not overly impressed by merely material, quantitative, ostentatious size, including that related to machinery, technology and the economy, or the size of the Trump Tower (apart, of course, from already Americanized individuals). It is a trait found only in truly primitive and childish races like the Negro. It is no exaggeration to assert that the foolish pride of Americans in spectacular “bigness,” in the “achievements” of their civilization, reek of the Negro psyche. Donald Trump, is essentially a white negroid. His whole stature, mindset and even the way he speaks reeks of the Negro mindset; "Big is good. Go big or go home. Big is great." and this also shows the absurdity of how most WASPs in America think of their identity as "white", even though sociological, psychoanalytical and even traditional observers all disagree.

>>15779508
>Read into the context anon, "triangular marxism" was obviously not used seriously
Alright, well its hard to tell the difference between a joke and schizotalk.

>>15779510

You seem like evading the question.

Do you believe in Psyche (alternatively spelt as Psykhe, Ancient Greek: Ψυχη,), but also believe in Spirit [spiritus]

Is a man Triune being? Or just a body and soul (soul, in this context, meaning Psyche)

Can you answer this question or is it too much to ask from a Jew?

>>15779461
no one is even criticizing you on a Marxist or materialist basis, they're just asking simple questions and you resort to wacky deconstructions of unrelated disciplines like psychoanalysis

The problem isn't that you believe in a spirit or revelation, the problem is that your theology is just as slippery as it gets. Can you explain what any of these terms mean? Supposedly spirituality is what you live for, so you must be able to give us some understanding of your religious views, no?

Worth mentioning this started because you were asked if you believe this metaphorically or literally, it is now clear you believe all this stuff very literally

>>15779518
Poe's law I guess

>>15779532
>Worth mentioning this started because you were asked if you believe this metaphorically or literally, it is now clear you believe all this stuff very literally

I am just making a fact that if Spirit exist, it also means that you can be a spiritually Jew.

Because according to Jewish-Marxist theories, cultural identities are limited to Psykhe and race-consciousness does not exist, but if it was in the domain of spirit, a negroid or jewish taintment of the spiritus (instead of soul) could also be possible.

>>15779515
I am not even sure what the point of this is, are you the same person, I doubt it, you go from an obsession with a creol singer, to the influence of the negro on the American soul, when I was pointing out that this simplified worldview comes from lacking the basic knowledge of literature and the lives of other people.

The American is not a homogenous negrofied mulato underclass with a wasp upperclass. Or anything of the short, there is genuine culture and class in America, but you have to choose to partake in it.

>>15779541
Sad to see you seem to suffer from some sort of spiritual infection (or a parasite).

>>15779541
>there is genuine culture and class in America, but you have to choose to partake in it.

Guénon disagrees with you. Every traditionalist observer disagrees with you.

Jewish-Negroid mass media society is infra-human existence, even American nationalism as a feeling must be an absurdity since by logic it cannot exist.

>>15779529
I am a practising Germanic Pagan, so I have my own spiritual believes that are similar but also different, for example I belief a Dis protect me and my family, does that make sense to you?

I doubt it.

I also doubt you are able to see someone as having different spiritual believes and not automatically label them as a Marxist or something, because you lack the openmindedness.

>>15779545
>Sad to see you seem to suffer from some sort of spiritual infection (or a parasite).
Alright, you mean I am being possesed by a demon? Does that mean demons have a physical existence?

>>15779560
>I am a practising Germanic Pagan

Some sort of Asatru larping? Seems couner-initiatic, have you even done dna test? Even one drop of Jewish blood denies the spirit to enter Valhalla

>does that make sense to you?

Guénon describes this in "Initiation and spiritual realization", you are probably deluding yourself and are actually producing harmful spiritual influences around you by absorbing karmic debt of dead traditions and interpreting them the way you want (Jewish way)

>I also doubt you are able to see someone as having different spiritual believes and not automatically label them as a Marxist or something, because you lack the openmindedness.

First of all, I am open minded, but not in a sense that I would like to live even in a same city with people who would identify themselves as Homosexual. Even Guénon makes the point that God did not save Sodom & Gomorrah even if there was righteous people living in the city, you became part of degeneracy simply by coexisting with degenerate people

You must think of this as a Faraday cage or AIDS-free zones, it does not work if you bring the disease or bomb with you inside

>>15779555
>Guénon disagrees with you. Every traditionalist observer disagrees with you.
But thats not an argument, there are towns and cities in America, where I can buy a house in a classical style, go to a universities that teaches Aquinas for example and eat my food in a genuine restaurant after choir practise or whatever. Thats a small percentage of the American population, for sure, but it is real.

btw. I have a question, is Broze Age Germania traditional?

>>15779577
I just want to point out the supreme irony of you railing against the Jews and the Jewish "spirit" while you and your favorite author quote religious parables from the Hebrew Bible as truth

>>15779582
>But thats not an argument, there are towns and cities in America, where I can buy a house in a classical style, go to a universities that teaches Aquinas for example and eat my food in a genuine restaurant after choir practise or whatever. Thats a small percentage of the American population, for sure, but it is real.

Guénon hated the Renaissance man. You are describing Renaissance man. He is not an artisan, he is not practicing the spiritual role of Dharmic division of castes of his forefather.

The man of Renaissance is an artist, poet, cultured. He is little bit of everything and at the same time: he is nothing. The Renaissance man is a swine. He is lower than some of the apes.

People think the Renaissance man is the peak form of Human achievement, he is in fact, the infra-human of Guénon, the last man of Nietzsche. Guénon hated the Renaissance, you adore it, it is your ideal and goal. "I read Aquinas, I read Plato, I am civilized"

You are a fucking jew

>>15779577
>Some sort of Asatru larping?
Here, you do exactly as I predicted, every time someone mentiones there conceptual ideas, you immediately label them. Stop doing that.

>you are probably deluding yourself and are actually producing harmful spiritual influences around you by absorbing karmic debt of dead traditions
What the hell does that even mean, are you saying that all religious concepts except karma. are fake and that religion is nothing more then attuning yourself with a karma. Whatever that might be.

>>15779577
>First of all, I am open minded, but not in a sense that I would like to live even in a same city with people who would identify themselves as Homosexual.
Literal contradiction.

>God
Please, how can the existence of God, not contradict the existence of Karma, I would like to know this, are God and Karma equal, where does the one end and the other begin?

You are just mixing and matching religious traditions and it wont be logical.

>>15779591
>You are a fucking jew
Except, the worldview you expound has more to do with how an Orthodox Rabbi sees the world, or some Medieval Christain monk or Islamic Sufi.

Where wordly wisdom and philosophy are all vain and only the study of the Talmud matters.

In what kind of world can you refer to Aristotle and Plato as bad, point towards the Abrahamic tradition of Guenon as good and then come to the conclusion that Judaism which is literally part of Guenons world, is what I am following.

In all honesty you should call me a Greek.

>>15779636
No, you are tainted beyond saving. The Renaissance man has no limit. He is always in the constant stage of "progress", he is like a Masonic drone who thinks "We must spread this human cancer civilization to Mars to mine minerals on Mars and then spread to outer planets to mine more minerals and then we can harvest more minerals"

The man of reneissance will never be able to form a life philosophy. In a traditional society this would fall in naturally. Some of the more rogue thinkers might have come up with their own system at least in their 30s (Nietzsche comes to mind)

The Renaissance man in his 30s still educates himself. He is still learning. He is still open-minded, he says "Yes, I want to learn more" and reads the great Jewish thinkers: Marx, Freud and some Holocaust survivor.

He will never go anywhere since he has failed to formulate his proper relation to the universe, nation and other people. The man of Renaissance is like a Chinese tourist taking pictures in Venice or Rome, he wants to "experience", he is a literal Asian tourist that is itself a byproduct of Capitalism, the man Modern Renaissance man some sort of feces of Marxism or waste product of Hollywood.

>>15779654
>Marx, Freud and some Holocaust survivor.
And Jesus, don't forget him.

>>15779515
>Donald Trump, is essentially a white negroid
Lmao. I'd like to subscribe for more.

>>15779658
>And Jesus, don't forget him.
Ok, now this is epic. How do i upvote comments on here?

>>15779670
based = upvote
cringe = downvote

>>15779654
>No, you are tainted beyond saving.
No, your worldview is simply bullshit, the only way someone would reject the ideal of the Rennaissance Man is because they are weak or tired.

Everything you described is good and positive, you just pretend its not, because like I said you are weak and tired.

Seriously, why would I embrace your worldview, what would I gain or achieve with it.

I mean again, you quote Nietzsche, but Nietzsche is part of the Rennaissance Humanist worldview.

Why do you call me a Jew, when its just a lot of Greek, Roman and Germanic things you reject, if you where honest you would admit that you, Guenon and traditionalism are basically Talmudists and that you have me for being a Philosopher, do ahead admit it.

>>15779661

>>15779603
>God and Karma equal, where does the one end and the other begin?
This is the kind of question you could answer with a quick google search and a two minute skim through an article in the current year, but instead you chose to shitpost.

>>15779658
>>15779670
I got an even better one, dont forget Rabbi Guenon and his Talmud of writings.

Seriously, Guenons worldview is far closer to Orthodox Judaism them Rennaissance Humanism.

>>15779676
>This is the kind of question you could answer with a quick google search
No I cant there are thousands of views of what these things mean, I want to know yours.

>>15779672
>Guenon and traditionalism are basically Talmudists
This pretty much

How do Geunonians call others Jew when Guenon himself wore white caps on a daily basis and prayed to Allah (YHWH).

Guenon is a Judeo-Franco Islamist.

>>15779681
No. Fuck off and google it. Nigger.

>>15779685
>Guenon is a Judeo-Franco Islamist.

LMAO!

>>15779677
>"Guenons worldview is far closer to Orthodox Judaism them Rennaissance Humanism."

>>15779685
Its kinda hilarious, yeah you there who read ancient Greeks and 19th century Germans, you.... you are a JEW!!!

Now let me go back to reading these books written by Jews, Muslims and Jewish Gnostics.

>>15779690
>No. Fuck off and google it. Nigger.
Are you stupid, God and Karma can mean different things, there is point in googeling them, which I have done in the past already, I want to know what the author means by them.

>>15779691
Neo-Judeo-Franco Islamotraditionalism (right-wing leaning of course).

>>15779696
Can you arque why thats not the case?

>>15779709
No. I'm just making fun of the way you seem to be mistaken that your epic religious labeling of this one author has any relevance what so ever, and that anyone gives a fuck about your shitpost.

>>15779720
>No
If you cant arque your point, you are just using humour to hide your ignorance, now arent you.

>>15779727
Not necessarily. I could be displaying my ignorance quite openly while at the same time enjoying a laugh at your expense.

>>15779696
literally whats the difference between them in pic related?

>>15779737
One is reading a scroll and the other a codex, for starters.

>>15779735
>Not necessarily. I could be displaying my ignorance quite openly while at the same time enjoying a laugh at your expense.
Well, unless you show us you are clever, I am afraid everyone here including you yourself, will know differently.

>>15779737
One of them has an intact foreskin

>>15779745
>Well, unless you show us you are clever, I am afraid everyone here including you yourself, will know differently.

>>15779748
and the other is some Rabbi

Did Guénon still eat pork after his conversion?

>this guy isn't Jewish
cmon now....

>>15779755
Pork isn't kosher, so no..

>>15779758
So he was Judeo-Franco Islamist crypto-Jew whose last words escaping from his husk before his death were "AL-LH".

>>15779737
>>15779756
Meanwhile are the Rennaissance Humanism headquarters, Faustian man directly studies nature!

>>15779756
Like i saw saying earlier, he was clearly the founder of the Neo-Judeo-Franco Islamotradtionalistic school of Thought (incorporated), heavily inspired by Indian Brahmatmajivanananda-Vishnuitic initiatic philosophy.

>>15779762
>Wow. Evolution and archaeology totally makes sense!

>>15779766
I think Spenglers term of Magian works far better to pull together the different strands of judaism, occultism and islam, then your long description.

From one of Guénon's letters to Julius Evola:

>The negroid sperm has some animalistic magical potency inherent in it which cannot be baulked; thus we see the subconscious longing of white virginal european women lusting after the african male. In a same fashion, the Greeks talked of the Minotaur which is a mythological creature which is half bull and half man. The aim of the priests of that cult seems principally to have been the production of a temporary incarnation of this beast by sending selected women of the community every year into the jungle/forest to mingle with all the imaginable bestial creatures thus to produce a miraculous birth upon returning to community.

>>15779768
No, it doesnt have to make complete sense, we can accept our limitations, only religious nuts want theories that explain everything, we do not have to explain everything, there is room for doubt.

>>15779776
That quote is lifted out of it's original context.

>It is precisely because Amrita has a quality so divine that it is proper to subject oneself to all that it entails and therefore also to its arduous preparation, and to put it on the table before food, so that it may be not found lacking in quality. This, of course, is perfectly in harmony with the doctrines of almost all traditional schools. Thus it is urged that the divine nectar be milked and consumed as a Sacrament by the initiated.

He then says:
>Without dwelling on the matter any longer, we will only note that while mating, a European male can (at best) be expected to produce far less of the nectar than a Negroid male of comparable stature, and that this difference in aptitude will certainly be passed on through the generations.
...
>Other so-called 'uses' of the diluted and 'Westernized' Amrita, we must point out, are among the most simple of 'occultic' devices, of a purely pragmatic nature; there are no spiritual functions involved in its use. It is also the most highly priced Amrita ever sold anywhere in the world; this facilitates not the proper transfer of Amrita as part of the traditional initiation rites, but a degeneration thereof to the point of caricature.

Later, in his correspondence with Evola, he simply states:
>Concerning Amrita and it's preparations, of this perfect medicine a single dewdrop sufficeth, and this may be true. Yet it is humbly and with all deference and worship my opinion that every drop generated (so far as may be possible) should be consumed.

>>15772135
they are only absurd for materialist retards

>>15779779
what the fuck was this french cuck thinking...

>>15779779
So we should ritualistically consume semen.

>>15779784
>they are only absurd for materialist retards
Yeah there is like one real world where one set of logic applies and like another world where another set of logic applies, this isnt insane at all and anyone who questions it is a materialist!!!

>>15779786
not just semen, Negroid semen

>>15779792
>Negroid semen
LMAO!!!
you go first

>>15779792
Did Guenon prep the bull?

>>15779800
I, as a pure born traditionalist Brahmin Muslim, gladly accept your sincerity and will oblige to consume first but let me offer my daughter to the well prepped BVLL

>>15779805
I heard he had some dark slaves from Libya do the prepping for him, bear in mind Guenon was a known racist and was especially known for his more politically critical works, where he took a strong stance against the Black Lives Matter movement.

>>15772135
what he says is completely rational

>>15779785
I think the real question is what the fuck was he smoking (Kif)

>>15779825
where do I get some habibi?

>>15779791
t. materialist retard

>>15779829
I think there is some hadith of the Prophet when they run out of hash in the desert they found a substitute in Camel Shit and it intoxicated them quite profusely. I believe it is one of the miracles similar to Jesus water to wine

>>15779865
holy based (pbuh).....

>>15772196

cope

>>15779887
>reddit spacing
go back

This thread is pathetic. Goes to show how anglos have smoked too much flower (the feminine, immanent aspect of Nature) instead of hashish (civilized, improved upon by the intervention of the masculine principle)

what is it with traditionalists and semen?

I may regret asking this but maybe one of you traditionalists/Guenonians can explain as I work through Crisis of the Modern World.

What really is the difference between a "lost" and "dead" tradition? Or, when does a tradition lose its usefulness or relevance. Guenon refers to certain traditions as dead or spent -- and yet also refers to "lost" traditions that may yet be revived or returned to. Why can't anyone return to one of the "dead" traditions? Why does he say they have come to the conclusion of their course, and not others? It's just never really explained

>>15780085
answer: lost traditions are dead traditions that guenon likes

>>15780116
that's pretty much exactly how I'm reading it lol

>>15779748
both religions require circumcision

>>15780142
You mean that Guénon...

>>15780142
So you mean that monsier Guénon...?

>>15780142
So you mean that... Guénon?....

>>15780142
You don't mean ....


...

>>15780142
It can't be that Guénon...

>>15780142
no
circumcision is not required in islam, just recommended

>>15780142
this means...it means Guenon...

>>15780459
>just recommended

So you mean that Guénon...?

>>15780459
Technically true, but it's very rare for a convert to not do it, especially one obsessed with exoteric living like Guénon

>>15780459
>just recommended

Surely you don't mean....

>>15780480
Can you keep it? I mean or is it just thrown into some dust bin

these niggas be imagining a naked guénon...

>>15772135
>money will eventually come to not have any practical value and we will stop using it
One way or another, this will eventually happen

So you guys mean that someone touched... Guénon down there? ... or can you circumcise yourself...?

>>15780734
>or can you circumcise yourself
It would be extremely painful

>>15780734
It is an absolute mathematical certainty that nothing can gainsay...

>>15780734
He had children, so he was touched down there at least a couple times.

>>15781123
Having wife touching your genitals inside a sacred marriage is a different thing than letting some fucking jew cut you up

Idiot

>>15781366
Islamic khitan is not done by mohels

>>15781381
So some filthy, bearded Sheik cut him with a scimitar while some whirling dervishes were bouncing and spinning around in a Sufi ceremony?

I rather go to a Dr. Goldstein's office + sedation. Or is it supposed to hurt?

>>15781427
It depends on the tradition. In some cultures the ritual circumcision is done as a rite of manhood and is supposed to hurt, yes.

>>15781444
What if you get some infection and your dick falls off. Is the rite of manhood failed if you lose your manhood because of it?

>>15779848
>t. materialist retard
Just a term you toss out so you dont have to debate and arque.

>>15779865
>I think there is some hadith of the Prophet when they run out of hash in the desert they found a substitute in Camel Shit and it intoxicated them quite profusely. I believe it is one of the miracles similar to Jesus water to wine
Alright, now I have officially lost it.

>>15779898
>hashish (civilized, improved upon by the intervention of the masculine principle)
Yeah, potheads are the prime of masculinity.

>>15781427
>So some filthy, bearded Sheik cut him with a scimitar while some whirling dervishes were bouncing and spinning around in a Sufi ceremony?
I am pretty sure it wasnt dervishes bouncing and spinning, but two strapped butch niggers.

>>15779591
strawman dogshit argument

Good thread

>>15775303
Priests of Cybele preformed self mutilation of their genitalia if I'm remembering correctly

>>15781643
that will not happen because allah won't let it happen. you are disparaging a holy tradition with your earthly worries

>>15779416
>le put together from an average of present-day populations by Jew scientists face
You are an embarrassment.

>>15781680
>Just a term you toss out so you dont have to debate and arque.
yes, you are correct, i'm not going to argue with retards on the internet

>>15774654
A..A..Are you G Anon pbuh?

>>15781932
yeah, there were specific sects with different ascetic and ritualistic practices; we have transgender priests in some heretical denominations today

>>15772135
Physical money is already being phased out

does he do those 5 things a muslims must literally do?
or is it just LARPing?
serious question.

>>15783056
He apparently lived like a normal Muslim man, but did not go on the Haij

>>15783056
>5 things a muslims must literally do
>rape
>murder
>explode
What are the other 2?