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it's genius but you reject its thesis because you are afraid that you may not be capable of overcoming man

>>15739087
>Am I retarded?
I'm sorry you had to find out like this

>>15739087
>Am I retarded?
Yes. And baiting. Now fuck off.

>>15739087
>Am I retarded?
Yes

>>15739095
>muh man is a bungee cord between my mouth and my ass
Honestly it is trash but it probably reads better than a 15 year olds tumblr in German.

>>15739087
Zara Thustra is such a Mary Sue.

>>15739095
I'm not talking about myself, I wonder how he can possibly expect people to leave aside their human shortcomings which resulted from biology. In all these centuries there has never been anyone who looked like he even remotely transcended the human condition because we are just too mortally flawed and this corresponds directly to our behavior, as our biology is the foundation of our conscious thinking. There is a lot of wisdom in his works so I am genuinely trying to understand

>>15739087

>Am I retarded?

you really set yourself up for failure here

>>15739132
through sheer will to power

>>15739132
Who said overcoming had to be easy or achievable for most people? He wasn't writing for the average man, or even for most above-average men, he was writing a philosophy of the future for the the super-elite.

>>15739132
>In all these centuries there has never been anyone who looked like he even remotely transcended the human condition
Because Übermensch is just a goal, ideal if you will, which perhaps will not be achieved at all in human history. What really matters is thriving to become one, which people most certainly can do.

>>15739204
No

>>15739087
No you're right, it's deluded gibberish.

>>15739132
Your still too deep in the doctrine of scientism to begin to understand Nietzsche, maybe try Kant

>>15739229
thought-provoking take

>>15739127
Zarathustra is COMPETENT, which in modern terminology is a "mary sue" for sure, because moderns do not believe in competence -- they live in a fairytale fantasy world where the distribution of traits is "fair": everyone is equal, everyone has their strenghts and weaknesses, everyone is good at something, nobody is a polymath, nobody is a total loser. In reality, competence compounds, people who are competent in one thing tend to be GENERALLY competent, because that is how competence works, and losers tend to be GENERALLY pathetic. To look at Zarathustra and call him a "mary sue" is how the subhumans cope with their loserdom, they call him unrealistic even though their entire belief structure is based on a ridiculously unlikely assumption of equality of all things.

>>15739087
neetche is such an interesting pleb filter, plebs can even like him and still get filtered because they fail to understand his ideas

He was clearly writing that when manic. There's nothing of value here. Mainländer is the last philosopher that had anything to say.

>>15739087
>and autistic amount of philosophy
Nietzsche was a philologist who knew barely anything about philosophy, which is pretty obvious from how he never engages in abstract thinking in his texts, or even uses arguments. He just makes points.

>>15739398
ok doomer

>>15739285
>him
>Zara Thustra is a man

>>15739375
There's not much to understand. The fact you think there is pretty much filters you. 200 years separated between Aristotle and Nietzsche and instead of progressing intellect further he just pioneered being a fedora.

>>15739437
Is this bait?
Zarathustra is another name for Zoroaster, who was a man.

>>15739478
Yeah, it's a fanfiction. It's common for Zoros to become Zaras and Fredrics to become Fridas and so on.

>>15739463
there are filtered plebs that like him, but there are those who don't like yourself too. start with greeks

>>15739095
100% this. OP is a retard faggot as usual.

>>15739132
See >>15739154 who is correct

>>15739204
It's not merely a goal. This is a degenerate leftist take on his philosophy. If you don't have the balls to do what it REALLY takes to become the overman, you aren't the overman, plain and simple. You will become the overman if you have the balls to do so. People are not equal and the overman is the most un-egalitarian individual in existence at a given time.

>>15739087
>Tfw people in Nietzsche’s own lifetime still somehow understood him better than people of today

>>15740371
he was barely read in his lifetime......

>>15740397
he's got a point tho I'm a zoomer and reading is seen as a meme and philosophy a boring school subject

>>15740483
The masses in Nietzsche's time couldn't even read, so there is really no difference.

>>15740490
people today can read but choose not to

>>15739087
I love it when a life's work of man's intensive thought and research is just so easily discarded by memetic language on a fucking tibetan pottery board years later.

>>15739132
Technologies advancements to allow humans to do more than beyond their physical abilities like an exo-skeleton or genetic modification and just general quality of life improvement only serves to prove Nietzche correct

>>15739087
>Am I retarded?
No, just stupid.

>>15739132
>In all these centuries there has never been anyone who looked like he even remotely transcended the human condition
>Jesus
>Buddha
>That fucking nigger who invented agriculture

>>15740227
Who do you think Übermensch is at all, lol?

>>15740848
You realize you're not saying something exceptional here, right?

>>15740877
Probably something COOL like a GUNDAM.

A GUNDAM could just SHOOT anyone it WANTS with its high caliber WILL TO POWER

>>15739132
because human will inevitably evolve into something else or go extinct, that's just the rules of the game. it's not a moral imperative it's an unrelenting fact

>>15740227
So... it is a goal. Unless you don't know the definition of the word goal.
>People are not equal and the overman is the most un-egalitarian individual in existence at a given time.
Yeah, this is not true. In the age of dinosaurs, the T-rex wasn't an overman. It wasn't even a man. Please stop half-assedly using Nietzsche's own precise terminology before you try to teach others about his philosophy.

>>15740894
Well, yes, but it is a moral imerative, insofar as he wants this evolution of humanity which takes place according to the rules of the game to produce an even more powerful being that both is the dissolution and transcendance of the human form.

>>15740890
If Gundam is ubermensch then who is Mazinger? Does Nietzsche answer that?

OP here

>>15740848
Jesus was God speaking through the flesh. Using him as an example equals accepting divine interference which is precisely the crutch that Nietschze wanted humanity to leave behind. From what I understand about Buddha he was accepting the human duality rather than trying to transcend it. It has little to do with the übermensch. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

>>15739243
Working on it, but I don't see how it's related. We still have to play by the natural laws.

>>15739154
>>15739285
>>15740227
>>15740894
The world is completely indifferent to what happens to the human race. I don't see any sign that we evolve or have the capacity to and I don't understand how you guys are so willing to throw away centuries of human history. There are obvious patterns right under our nose littered with elite/plebian examples and every single one of them has collapsed. How are you so confident people will ever be able to triumph over the same flawed pattern-based reasoning that gave us consciousness in the first place? We are biologically hardwired to live between pain and boredom, constantly striving. I don't mean to be the edgy nihilist but it's still a major, unsolved problem and the only plausible evolution I can see is technological transcendence which can't be what Nietschze originally meant.

>>15739375
You can understand him and still disagree.

OP here

>>15740848
Jesus was God speaking through the flesh. Using him as an example equals accepting divine interference which is precisely the crutch that Nietschze wanted humanity to leave behind. From what I understand about Buddha he was accepting the human duality rather than trying to transcend it. It has little to do with the übermensch. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

>>15739243
Working on it, but I don't see how it's related. We still have to play by the natural laws.

>>15739154
>>15739285
>>15740227
>>15740894
The world is completely indifferent to what happens to the human race. I don't see any sign that we evolve or have the capacity to and I don't understand how you guys are so willing to throw away centuries of human history. There are obvious patterns right under our nose littered with elite/plebian examples and every single one of them has collapsed. How are you so confident people will ever be able to triumph over the same flawed pattern-based reasoning that gave us consciousness in the first place? We are biologically hardwired to live between pain and boredom, constantly striving. I don't mean to be the edgy nihilist but it's still a major, unsolved problem and the only plausible evolution I can see is technological transcendence which can't be what Nietschze originally meant.

>>15739087
His most important work is Genealogy of Morals.

>>15740483
This
I am 23 and have substituted at high schools
I would read books during the day and the kids practically mocked me
The girls were curious tho cuz I'm hot

>>15739285
Not necessarily. I can allow that there are people better than me, and people worse than me. I just remain unfazed by it; I don't care. I strive for more; that is, the kingdom of God. Additionally, we hate Mary Sues because they are poorly written, and facilely competent. You can't just be the "chosen one" in real life and have all of your qualities spoonfed to you, like a Mary Sue. You need to work hard for what you get, and then some.

>>15739398
Who was also manic

>>15739095
I already did. I reassessed my beliefs, am creating them, and am working towards the loftiest of goals- attaining godhood. That is, communion with God.

>>15740894
I can't wait until humans evolve two anuses and a nose between the aforementioned anuses. Then all of the philosophers and puffed-up thinkers of the world will finally be at peace.

>>15742128
Same

>>15740397
He gained a lot of fame during the period between when he lost his sanity and before he died, which was about ten years. He wasn't widely read before he lost his faculties, though, that part is true.

>>15741546
What are you even trying to say?

>>15740877
>>15741546
>>15742037
You guys need to get the fuck off this board and actually read.

>>15743495
I brutally dismantled your retarded argument that Nietzsche didn't view the overman as a goal for humanity, and that "the overman is the most un-egalitarian individual in existance at a given time", by giving an example which made you look retarded. Then, you got confused, since you of course didn't imagine your own argument in that context.

>>15743861
You didn't even read the post you responded to. Your very first sentence indicated this.

>So... it is a goal.
The original post didn't say it wasn't a goal. It said it wasn't MERELY a goal.

Your argument was also utterly idiotic. What the fuck do dinosaurs have to do with the overman? Dinosaurs aren't "egalitarian" or "un-egalitarian," these are human-made concepts for human-made attitudes.

>>15743888
Maybe look up what "at a given time" means.

>>15743915
We are evolving. The overman is the furthest step in human evolution. That doesn't mean there aren't steps further still. You deeply misunderstood the post you clearly skimmed.

>>15739087
not a good entry point to Nietzsche

>>15743932
Nigger, I didn't misunderstand anything, other than that I thought you thought the overman wasn't a goal, which makes sense when you define the overman as "the most un-egalitarian individual in existance at a given time". It is you who are completely misunderstanding my extremely simple example annihilating your post that I have repeated now three times. I know we are evolving. I know there are still steps after the overman. What I am doing is taking your retarded definition of the overman, as "the most un-egalitarian individual in existance at a given time", and applying it to a "given time" before the human. That is why I gave the example of a T-rex, who is radically "inegalitarian" (increasing inequality just by existing). As such, your definition of the overman is destroyed, and needs to be modified slightly by yourself. I am doing you a service, but you misunderstand my simple example over and over. Kill yourself.

>>15739087
>am I retarded
yes

>>15743977
Only humans can be egalitarian or un-egalitarian. You're applying what I said to something that was never intended, was never suggested, and isn't even remotely reasonable.

Zarathustra:
>I do not wish to be mixed up and confused with these preachers of equality. For, to me justice speaks thus: "Men are not equal." Nor shall they become equal! What would my love of the Overman be if I spoke otherwise?

It stands to reason that the overman is a human (not a T-Rex, unless you want to make the argument that Nietzsche had dinosaurs in mind when he wrote that) who is superior to all other humans so far. It is not merely a goal, otherwise what you do think Nietzsche was even writing for?

>>15739132
As someone else said, you are too much of a devotee of scientism to grasp this. You shouldn't have started with Nieztsche. Go back and read all the material that influenced him, particularly Kant. And make sure you understand Kant before moving to Nietzsche. Don't cope in order to maintain your current worldview while reading Kant. More is required than basic scientism to grasp Nietzsche, you're gonna have to juggle multiple frameworks at once.

>>15739408
Wrong. I read some piece by him about ontology that flew way over my brainlet head. I wish I could remember what it was called

>>15742101
This

>>15739087
I'm not saying the Ubermensch isn't good, this is always a natural conclusion; but I must ask I mean why is it the absolute diviner? Seems somewhat immature to limit life to such crude concepts of strength as power and determination of life.

Mainlander fucking sucks I'm going to kill every pessimist with my big ugly cock

>>15739087
The Ubermensch is the superposition of heaven and earth. An intuition.

>threadly reminder Ubermensch means Sherpa
>One off reminder that Nietzsche wrote a genealogy of morals which covers about 10000 years
>daily reminder OP gets winded on a slight incline