/lit/ - Literature

What do you think needs written down?

start with the greeks bud

>>15727508
How would I know?

>>15727512
I already did you dumb fuck did you read the thread

They all kind of give you their guidelines for how to live. That was one of the goals of the original philosophers (the other goal morphed into the sciences). Epicureanism, like Taoism and Zen, are fulfilling in quietism. If that’s all you need and want, that wonderful. But you may want more.
I like Stirner, Nietzsche and the quest for freedom through socialism.
One constructs their own guidelines.
>>15727520
It will come to you

>>15727415

Epicureanism is still Epicureanism.

>>15727601
>the quest for freedom through socialism.
I want a quest that's feasible.

>>15727620
It is. And absolutely necessary at this point.
But whatever you choose, I wish you happiness and ease.

>>15727629
>It is. And absolutely necessary at this point.
Walk me through how it's feasible lol

>>15727631
Everyone has to participate. We offer them what they need and want, a better life than what capitalism is doing for them (obviously the wealthy won’t want the trade off). The poorest will become “wealthy” by other means and that will attract more people until everyone is on board.

>>15727657
I mean feasible as in likely to happen. In America the Democrats wouldn’t even vote for a center left democrat. Bernie lost 3 Super Tuesdays in a row to a mumbling retard who has scandals up the asshole. All the European countries are in the EU and are never gonna going to become socialist. Any third world or Latin American country that tries to become socialist is gonna get embargoed and overthrown by the US because of business interests. If they wouldn't vote for basic social democratic policies that everyone else in the world has they aren't gonna vote for workers to own the means of production.

>>15727415
Americans have a lot of ethicians that are liberals and/but nonmarxists, you should try with them.

>>15727657
God Butterfly I just want to fuck your tits. I want to sniff your armpits as you stroke my cock all night telling me how much of a good boy I am.

Moral discourses of Epictetus. In this book he critiques Epicurus which might shed some new light on how you understand Epicurus.

https://archive.org/details/moraldiscourseso005257mbp

>>15727670
If we do nothing, we’re likely to die out in 80 to 100 years.
It’s feasible we will do *something*, and it had better be the right something or we’ll just postpone that extinction for a few years.
Which is “likely”? How should I know?
>Democrats, Bernie
Elections aren’t going to ever bring about the necessary changes.
Social-democracy is over and never coming back. The Yellow Vests are going to be thwarted
Only the direct democracy of autonomous regions can do it.
Here. Quick read
https://www.jamesherod.info/Getting_Free.pdf

>>15727716
>If we do nothing, we’re likely to die out in 80 to 100 years.
It's nice that you say that but the large majority of the population either doesn't agree or doesn't care.

>Only the direct democracy of autonomous regions can do it.
Tl;dr the book for me but if it's some kinda neighborhood bookchinist style democracy then you still have to answer how that is in anyway feasible? If the voting and polls show that people won't vote for basic center left policies why do you think they are ready to become libertarian socialist lol

>>15727415
Most of them do.

Plato, Pascal, Hume.

Id personally say Plato and Hume are good general ones that dont predespose you to some radical movement like butterfly >>15727657 is of.

Of course, if you want to go deeper and maybe get into more radical stuff, sure, go for it, but usually the most rounded people start with the basics then explore instead of getting polemicised.

>>15727725
>the large majority of the population either doesn't agree or doesn't care.
The larger sections either don’t know or feel they are powerless to do anything about it. Another large section are simply in denial, but their numbers are trending towards panicked acceptance.
Bookchin advocates a representative direct democracy, that Herod rejects. It is feasible. It’s most desirable by all those most hurt by the status quo, including the poor of any race and of any political persuasion, the so-called conservatives will like community building aspects. We’ve been severely atomized by capitalism and this is an antidote.

Are you the OP? I don’t mean to take the thread off topic

>>15727779
>Are you the OP?
Yes

>The larger sections either don’t know or feel they are powerless to do anything about it. Another large section are simply in denial, but their numbers are trending towards panicked acceptance.
Bookchin advocates a representative direct democracy, that Herod rejects. It is feasible. It’s most desirable by all those most hurt by the status quo, including the poor of any race and of any political persuasion, the so-called conservatives will like community building aspects. We’ve been severely atomized by capitalism and this is an antidote.
So you have no data, no statistics to actually suggest that any of this is in anyway likely. Why is anyone supposed to take you seriously?

>The larger sections either don’t know or feel they are powerless to do anything about it. Another large section are simply in denial, but their numbers are trending towards panicked acceptance.
A fascist could say this same exact thing and be just as valid as you since you have nothing else to go off.

>>15727415
This stuff is pretty a prior, you should be able to reason it out on your own.

>>15727795
It isn’t a matter of taking me seriously though.
People either take their lives and world seriously or they perish. I want to try.

>A fascist
Fascism cannot save the environment

>>15727868
What's the point of trying if you know it's not feasible? It would bother me to know I'm working my entire life for something that's virtually worthless. It's like working your entire life for a political party that only gets 100 votes when the other two parties are at 32 million. You can be optimistic but at some point it's gotta hit you. Why not just attempt things that could actually be done like voting in people who could shift the overton window to the left?

>>15727415
I don't know about philosopher, but "Man's Search for Meaning" is a book on the subject that is well worth reading.

>>15727911
It is feasible! Success isn’t assured, bit it is a possibility still. Why are you hell bent on not trying?
I certainly wouldn’t call it worthless either, successful or not.

>>15727415

>>15727940
Again I get your optimistic but just because you say it's feasible doesn't mean it is. The 100 voter political party isn't ever going to take over the Democrat/Republicans. As much as you say it's feasible it's never going to happen. I really want a billion dollars and it's certainly possible and I can try my hardest but the odds are against me and it's dumb to think otherwise. You realize the Evolian fascist magic state, Fully free market 1800's cowboy libertarian ideologies, the Authoritarian communists, social democrats, market socialists, baathists, there are a thousand different of ideologies. Some of them way more popular than yours and they are also trying and they are also optimistic and they also say it's feasible but they aren't. You can't really believe you have any chance.

>>15727415
Eastern alternative.

>>15727972
Not take over, no. Supplant. The plan is to turn our backs on them and their money. I say it is feasible as it is *possible*. It can succeed but only with effort, like everything!
You can’t get a billion dollars without becoming a drug runner, Politician or playing the lottery. The odds of getting neighborhoods to take meetings and strive for their survival are a lot higher than those three options for millionaire status.
>Other more popular ideologies
The book explains why their methods haven’t worked. It’s really quite amazingly simple.

>>15728016
How is this different to Fuentes and the groypers seceding or Authcomms? How do you know it isn't going to work for them and it is going to work for you?

>>15728038
>groypers
Never heard of them. White nationalism is an exclusivist club for a narrow audience. Obvious dead end since they don’t even oppose capitalism.
Authoritarian socialism is an obvious bust. Bakunin was right about states. Yeah yeah, China this China that. Hypercapitalism isn’t a good model for getting rid of capitalism

>>15728122
A better question to ask would be do you think it's possible that you are wrong and you won't ever have your Bookchinist group of neighborhoods? What percentage is your confidence level that it will happen in your lifetime? 10% 50% 90%?

>>15728145
Herodist.

And I’m not the only one living here.

Ecclesiastes is worth a read even if you aren't religious, and it's short too so check it out

Aristotle’s Nichomachean Ethics.

>>15728172
>whore*
ftfy

Simplicius Commentary on Epictetus Enchiridion

>>15727415
The enchiridion of Epictetus?

>>15727657
This sounds like what someone who is 15 years old would believe lol, so retarded and naive.

>>15727415
Some good options on this thread already - except the bumtard preaching socialism obviously

I would add pic related

Not neccesarily a guide on how to live but Sloterdijk's 'You Must Change Your Live' is an excellent treatise on the drive to perfection, ability, the practising live (i.a. all acts that improve on themselves allowing for more greater ability) and how to live in a world that has abandoned heaven and higher realities. It won't give rules for live but it sure will show how to even conceptually start one.

>>15730340
A 15 year old would believe in an ultimate authority to rule over them all. That naïveté comes from having parents who rule over them, and perhaps tell them about a kingdom of heaven.
No, this is simply put maturity

Just before that fascist thread was deleted
>>15732307
All of our problems stem from the unnatural thought that we need to be controlled by an authority figure or class or ideology. This is wrong. It is a childish mindset that comes from controlling parents. Society shouldn’t be stocked with children but grown adults, and you won’t get that till you set them free upon reaching adulthood.