/lit/ - Literature

why don't you just ask them

oh wait you want something that pathologizes the bad team and reinforces your worldview, not actual insight

>>15666119
>inb4 OP's "i'm a right winger myself"

>>15666101
Like any acting, you have good actors you have shit actors and they all come together to hopefully make a blockbuster hit

>>15666101
Not /lit/ related. Fuck off back to >>>/pol/.

>>15666119
Stupidity is not a pathology.

>>15666101

>>15666101
You’re gonna have to wade through some shit. It’s hard to understate the impact of some crappy books on the current right wing in America. I’ll narrow it down to two works for you:
1. Atlas Shrugged - This is going to illuminate the obsession with the “power the individual” and the love of capitalism, along with the idea that the poor just aren’t carrying their own weight. This is where a lot of economic thought comes in, for instance, Paul Ryan is a massive fan. For a much shorter and slightly more palatable take by the same author you could read Anthem. You could also, I am serious, listen to Rush’s 2112 which is just a music-based copy of Anthem and pay attention to the lyrics and the plot. Neil Peart was obsessed with Rand.
2. The Turner Diaries - Here you get your conspiracy thinking and the fear that white culture is going to be supplanted. It’s a seminal work in white nationalism, and it’s also one of the shittiest books ever written. This book pandered to those who felt that the civil rights era of the 60’s were pushing too far against ‘white culture’ and radicalized many. I think it came out in the late 70’s. You’ll see a lot of current right wingers pick it up and go “oh my god he predicted everything that’s happening with the erasure of history going on right now” etc etc which just proves my point about it explaining a lot of the conspiracy thinking going on. It is basically just a racist fantasy of a dude going around and killing Jewish people and Black people.
So yeah, I would say those two books get you an understanding of the mindset because they’re the books right wingers read and go “wow this is exactly how I feel”.

>>15666101
Well, what do you mean by right wingers? There's a whole section of the political compass of right winged ideologies. You can go down to most authoritarian to the least authoritarian.

>>15666368
These are the worst two recommendations I've seen

>>15666492
That's exactly why they are correct

>>15666492
They are the worst two books I’ve ever had to recommend to someone, but that just speaks volumes to the right wing mindset more than anything else.

>>15666101
I saw a lot of the kinda /trad/ guys yelling about degeneracy and the fall of "The West" (yet being loser degens themselves) in A Confederacy of Dunces by John Kennedy Toole

Tribalism.

>>15666101
Charles Darwin: On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life
Ronald Fisher: The Genetical Theory of Natural Selection
RIchard Dawkins: The Selfish Gene
EO Wilson: Sociobiology
Rushton: Race, Evolution, Behavior
Cochran and Harpending: The 10 000 Year Explosion: How Civilization Accelerated Human Evolution
Nicholas Wade: A Troublesome Inheritance: Genes, Race, and Human History
Charles Murray: Human Diversity: The Biology of Race, Gender, and Class

once the big lie is made suspect, the whole edifice starts to crumble

>>15666101
lasch's true and only heaven

>>15666368
correct

>>15666518
>>15666573
>>15666604
wrong

lol great image op you really got them

Turn on the fucking tv. If you feel the slightest bit of disgust at what you see, you understand their mindset.

>>15666722
this guy must be absolutely fucking tripping at the entire situation there lol

>Turn on the fucking tv. If you feel the slightest bit of disgust at what you see, you understand their mindset.

That image confuses me because the Left does worship corporations; and the Right worshipping corporations that fit their narrative doesn't negate that, either.

Corporations are far more in the pocket of the Left than the Right if you glance at recent/current events.

>>15666491
Anyone that’s not a leftist

>>15666789
>the Left does worship corporations

>>15666789
OP, this post will also help you to understand the cognitive dissonance of the right. Notice how they seem smart enough to understand the world, and clearly must see how things actually are, but can somehow force themselves to believe the exact opposite because to accept reality would make them look bad? It’s this wild thing where they can hold those two ideas in their head at the same time and somehow not explode.

>>15666815
that's what you guys do whenever you have to think about black people

>>15666773
>>Believing that modern society insisting men and women behave exactly the same is fundamentally destructive towards both parties, and women should be glorified and venerated as women while men are glorified and venerated as men.
>This is somehow asking women to do nothing except cook and clean and have sex with me while running in wheat fields.
Post nose.

>>15666821
OP, here’s a good example of why you need to read the Turner Diaries to see how easily they can accept racist thought.

>>15666822
>>15666827
oops, this one too, for the anti-Jewish aspect

>>15666827
>A book by literally who that's only talked about by left-wingers and Richard Spencer = modern conservative thought.
Based retard.

>>15666827
You look at the world, and you see that every black city is a disaster no matter what country and its history, and you have absolutely no way to explain this so you just shut down your mind. The IQ studies you can dismiss as invalid, the brain sizes as well. But you can't actually not notice that there isn't even one example of them functioning. Literally not even one.

>>15666101
Disingenuous pic related as doing that sort of thing is career suicide for whoever wrote that tweet.

>>15666101
Did you not already make this thread earlier today?

As the person who recommended Atlas Shrugged and The Turner Diaries, I would like to thank all of the right-wing posters here trying to defend their positions. You’ve all helped me prove my points exactly.

>>15666831
Believing that many people who push complete fucking nonsense on the internet are jewish =/= believing that all Jews post complete fucking nonsense on the internet brainlet.
OP, since we're apparently listing examples, how about you fit in some left wing thought? Here we have an example of a left-winger who has so internalized his hatred and racism of all non-whites that he assumes all critical comments against non-whites are indicative of someone else who hates and is racist against non-whites. For example, this retard here hates Jews so much, probably because he's a Jewish atheist who hates himself, that he assumes all comments about "post nose" or "Who could be behind this post?" indicates that the poster hates Jews just as much as he does. But he also hates himself for hating Jews, so he has to prove he doesn't hate Jews by defending them on the internet.

>>15666101
HAHAHAHA just imagine OP really digging through /pol/ archives in order to come up a collection of mere 6 posts so he can do le epic spinaroo on right wingers

>who likes corporations now? xDD

I want to know, what was it that triggered such discomfort? is it pic related?

>>15666863
Likewise I would like to thank you guys as being example 1 million of progressives not being able to argue their belief that the races are equal. Because it is of course a religious belief. The idea of providing evidence for it just confuses you.

>>15666815
We let you into our circles and discuss with you because we know we have the worldview that's very much needed right now. You guys do everything short of jailing us when we mention relevant crime statistics in your circles. Please tell me which one suffers cognitive dissonance.

NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER

>>15666889
Jeez dude, cool it with the racism

>>15666864
the twisted logic that doesn’t make any sense of this post is also a great insight into the mind of someone on the right
it’s like an ouroboros, the logic is predicated on arguments that are created within the argument itself, it’s just a weird circular argument that appears out of nowhere and has no connection to anything being discussed nor any basis in reality

Caring about the environment or being anti-drag queen storytime makes you a reactionary, whether you want to admit it or not.

>>15666368
Yea, and If I want to read up on lefty ideologies I'll read White fragility and Tess Holiday's book.

>>15666912
Nah, you could read Marx and Sartre, to start, before delving into, oh I don’t know, the vast majority of intelligent literature written.

>>15666919
Funny you pick two people who both mangled the ideas of much smarter Right wing thinkers.

>>15666874
People like OP can't reconcile their self-image as a revolutionary political entity with the support of Silicon Valley, Hollywood, the media and so on. It's the kind of cognitive dissonance that is simply to unbearable, hence his lash out and resentment

>>15666737
>>15666722
>meth head spinning a giant tetanus stick around CHAZ's entire food supply for the rest of the year
>this is fine
>this is normal
>maybe if I do nothing he'll go away and wont hurt me or anyone

>>15666874
>>15666931
>N-NOOOOO THE RIGHT DOESN'T LOVE CORPORATIONS!

>>15666896
The easy response if I was wrong would be "I'm not Jewish, you retard".
But I'm not wrong am I? You're hardcore buttmad that mummy and daddy made you get up early on a Saturday to go to Sabat. You always hated it. It's so stupid, who wants to read about these fucking stupid desert fairy tails. You probably live in a decently urban area so every now and then you run into a Hassid in the full getup and it just reminds you of it and you're full of such disgust at how stupid they are. But then you find out about rightists who don't take Jews seriously and you feel attacked. You'll say it's because of antisemitism being "evil", but really it's because the things they say intrinsically lump you in with THOSE Jews. The ones who pray every Saturday, who somehow don't seem to mind it. The reminder of the stereotypes, some of which you know are true, make you all the angrier because you're NOT like the other Jews you're NOT you're just NOT how can they SAY those things you're NOT like them. And when some guy on the internet says "Post nose" it gives you flashbacks to that one day you realized that not everyone was circumcised and you felt so left out and so angry, and you assume that he must feel this way to say these things that you think about Jews.

But no, you're a lonely """ex"""-Jew and I just think it's funny to say "Post nose" and have no issues with Jews and know all the jokes I make are just jokes.

>>15666948
Hatred of corporations and capitalism is not a tenet of right wing thought, buddy.

>>15666982
Lmao these people
>"Leftists claim to hate corporations but they don't really"
>"Oh yeah!? Well Rightists don't hate corporations EITHER!"
>Uh...correct?

>>15666982
>bro some corporations pander to neoliberals and zoomers!
>therefore the left loves corporations!
>pandering doesn't exist!

If you’re seriously curious, read shit like this

It’s all just old style John Birch type conservatism/reactionary thought distilled into a more fringey form that concerns more contemporary developments

Gottfried's The Conservative Movement is good and short. It will introduce you to the postwar "traditionalist" and libertarian right that coalesced around Buckley's National Review, and the eventual death of this movement when it was replaced by scheming neo-liberal neo-conservatives. Read either Gottfried or Buchanan on the Buchanan presidential campaign and last hurrah of the paleo-conservative movement in the late '80s and early '90s. From there read Samuel T. Francis, another colleague of Gottfried and Buchanan and often called the leading intellectual of American conservatism (not counting neo-conservatism, which is a business front aligned with the same shit in the Democrat party too). "Beautiful Losers" is a good book, then read his posthumously published magnum opus, Leviathan and Its Enemies. The latter is basically the blueprint for the Trump movement and conservative attempts to use populism to overthrow the managerial technocracy that disguises itself as neo-liberalism and progressivism.

For the European right, read Armin Mohler's Conservative Revolution in Germany, and for a representative of this movement, Arthur Moeller van den Bruck's Germany's Third Empire, recently published by Arktos with a foreword by Alain de Benoist. Any writings of Benoist on the Nouvelle Droite will also be good. He recently had a published debate with Tamir Bar-On, author of "Where Have All the Fascists Gone?"

Read this:
https://www.counter-currents.com/2011/08/breaking-the-bondage-of-interest-a-right-answer-to-usury-part-1/
https://www.counter-currents.com/2011/08/breaking-the-bondage-of-interesta-right-answer-to-usury-part-2/
https://www.counter-currents.com/2011/08/breaking-the-bondage-of-interest-a-right-answer-to-usury-part/
https://www.counter-currents.com/2011/08/breaking-the-bondage-of-interesta-right-answer-to-usury-part-4/

And these:
https://www.counter-currents.com/2012/11/two-volumes-by-gottfried-feder/
https://www.counter-currents.com/2016/04/understanding-hitler-and-the-third-reich/

Read Evola's 11 Points of Orientation:
http://gornahoor.net/?p=4428
and
https://www.counter-currents.com/2013/03/the-tools-of-the-occult-war/

>>15666997
>>15667007
>has to resort to a 1936 image
OH NO NO NO
it really makes you deeply uncomfortable to know that you're as woke as John from middle management, right?

>>15667046
all you've posted is corporations using basic bitch "progressive" talking points to sell shit, do you have any examples of the left itself praising corporations?

God damn, I'm embarrassed at some of these recommendations. Read stuff by H.L. Mencken and some of Enlightenment-era literature because conservatives love to cherrypick stuff from that era. It's actually interesting that my republican family has a hard on for Voltaire, Dostoyevsky, and any nonfiction about war. They're not the drooling boogeymen you think they are.

Pro-capitalist conservatives are braindead, yes. They have fallen for the idpol trap where capitalism would be perfect as long as THEY were running the show instead. Somehow, they have been convinced that all of the problems in capitalism that they hate - the preachy HR departments, woke twitter, radlib professors - are a result of "communist/Jewish/etc. subversion" and everything would be smoothing sailing had they not existed, not dissimilar to the self-identified neoliberals who think woke capitalism will solve all of society's ills.

>>15667080
That is more or less accurate though, Nazi Germany was based

>>15666665
off by one

>>15667085
Nazi Germany would have most likely decayed immediately after they won, it was not a sustainable system.

>>15667116
If it had been allowed to obliterate international finance, it wouldn't have mattered whether "it" decayed or remained in its contemporary form. What would matter is that the claw strangling the life out of nations would have been destroyed.

"The perspective of the damned XIXth century shows little else than the violation of these principles by demoliberal usuriocracy. The doctrine of Capital, in short, has shown itself as little else than the idea that unprincipled thieves and antisocial groups should be allowed to gnaw into the rights of ownership. This tendency “to gnaw into” has been recognised and stigmatised from the time of the laws of Moses and he called it neschek. And nothing differs more from this gnawing or corrosive than the right to share out the fruits of a common co-operative labour.

Indeed USURY has become the dominant force in the modern world. “Moreover, imperialism is an immense accumulation of money capital in a few countries, which, as we have seen, amounts to 4 or 5 thousand million pounds sterling in securities. Hence the extraordinary growth of a class, or rather a Stratum, of rentiers, i.e, persons who live by “clipping coupons” who take absolutely no part in any enterprise, and whose profession is idleness. The exportation of capital, one of the most essential economic bases of imperialism, still further isolates this rentier stratum from production, and sets the seal of parasitism on the whole country living on the exploitation of the labour of several overseas countries and colonies.” V. I. Lenin, quoting Hobson in “Imperialism, the highest stage of Capitalism.”

Very well! That is from Lenin. But you could quote the same substance from Hitler, who is a Nazi (note the paragraph from “Mein Kampf magnificently isolated by Wyndham Lewis in his “Hitler” – “The struggle against international finance and loan capital has become the most important point in the National Socialist programme; the struggle of the German nation for its independence and freedom.”

You could quote it from Mussolini, a Fascist, or from C. H. Douglas, who calls himself a democrat and his followers the only true democrats. You could quote it from McNair Wilson who is a Christian Monarchy man. You could quote it from a dozen camps which have no suspicion they are quoting Lenin."
>Ezra Pound

>>15667116
Well it's certainly possible but I wouldn't say you can actually know that.

Understanding a (complete) person's mindset is virtually impossible. A person's mindset is the product of their entire life's experiences, your mind is a product of an entirely different life's experiences. How could you possibly derive 1 from not 1? Putting people into boxes is not as simple as you think.

There are people on both sides of the political and cultural spectrum who fall for corporate bread and circuses. Baathists and distributists are both very conservative movements that are strongly against giant corporations and capitalism.

>>15666101
my diary desu

idk, why not ask them? i'm pretty sure the /fascist/ board, which i think is currently on anon .cafe, probably still keeps a literature thread.
one of the qualities that has made rightoids so successful in just the last decade or so is a willingness and eagerness to tell you all about their ideology if you just ask.

>>15666101
you need not book for it. you need dead sponsors, parents.

>>15666101
>/pol/ is a handful of people
>look, look, some pollacks contradicted their beliefs somewhere
Trannies grasping at straws

>>15666948
>right wingers convening in front of Ross means they're defending Ross, not just gathering there
Believe whatever you want. Besides, there's such a thing as protecting the community and the jobs of the people that work there, and so on. No reason to let your local community go to shit to stick it to the man, that won't solve anything

>ctrl+f ko
>no results
common people, the koch brothers are comparatively evil and fund as many political projects as soros. They put money in the pockets of the tea party for fuck sakes.

>>15667335
the Koch brothers are pro-mass immigration

>>15667058
>being recuperated and co-opted by corporate power and center-left neoliberals is just pandering to "sell shit" and not evidence of LARPing on the part of leftists and the inevitable impotence of their movement in opposing global capital since their interests are aligned

imagine

>>15666101
u first need to lower your iq by 40%

>>15667335
>libertarians
>right wing
choose one

>>15667335
/lit/ is not a place for conspiracy theorists
>>>/pol/
>>>/leftypol/

>>15666101
Ask me anything :)

>>15666773
>I-it must just be because they can’t have sex!!!!!!! There’s no other way someone could hold opposing beliefs!!!!

>>15666804
Are progressives not right wing? No one besides you plays by your retarded leftypol definition of what the “left” is

Just look at this thread about The Turner Diaries to see what I meant.
>>15667163
“wow he predicted exactly what was going to happen”
Like fucking clockwork.

>>15666874
excellent pic anon. explains why leftism is schizophrenia.

>>15667325
>Ross Dress 4 Less is my local community

>>15666773
the girl on the pic has a choice because she has food and money already, being a property of sponsors, parents ot state. while women are married to parents and state they will always look down on other males. your picture misses daddy behind her back.

>>15667366
you still haven't posted evidence of the actual left defending corporations.

>>15667383
>>15667474
incel cope

>>15666101
>this screencap from pol totally shows what the right as a whole believes!
You leftypol faggots are grasping at straws

>>15666557
so the same as your team

>>15667482
Sticking a toothbrush up your bum doesnt make you not an incel mate

>>15667402
In general, if you're going to link to a thread on a book your thread should in some way confirm the point you're making and not be scrounging for a black fetish porn based off of the novel in question with only replies to that extent.

>>15667476
what is the "actual left" are you going to give me some autist leftypol definition where Nancy Pelosi ends up being "far-right"?

Also, there is evidence that corporations support left-wing causes:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/02/business/bank-of-america-billion-dollar-donation/index.html

>>15667042
really wish you could save posts on this site ill just screenshot, thanks anon

>>15667523
>NOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST RESTRICT THE DEFINITION OF THE LEFT TO PEOPLE WHO ARE ANTI-CAPITALISM!

>>15666101
200 Years Together

>>15667548
>OH NO NO NO YOU CAN'T JUST POINT OUT THE FACT THAT GLOBAL CAPITAL AND LEFTISTS HAVE SIMILAR INTERNATIONALIZING IMPULSES AND END GOALS THAT PLAYOFF ONE ANOTHER

>>15666863
Typical leftist, all bluff and puffed up arrogance, not a genuine insight anywhere.

>>15667548
well you can't, it's ridiculous

>>15667548
If the left is necessarily anti-capitalist why is the righty not necessarily pro-capitalist? Read for example Carlyles Chartism or Crams “Walled Towns” for anti capitalist reactionaries who double as actual answers to the op question
The true dichotomy is one of revolution and rulership, chaos and order, social liberation and social contract (each identical to the other)

>>15666573
Based.

>>15667548
You can’t. Progressivism is left wing