/lit/ - Literature

>I suffer as a Chad

>>15659705
Theres no point in pursuing any art if you look like that. Good looking people cant be good artists

>>15659794
this

>>15659794
cope

>>15659794
/thread

>>15659794
cope (2)

>>15659794
cope (3)

Cope.
Not pretty but high on T.

>>15659705
>>15659794
Even the most attractive people on Earth only look extremely attractive when putting the effort into it. If one puts more effort into more important things you wont be "oh that really good looking writer" though your visage will give off a natural respect for you by others.

>>15659705
Throughout history having your writings massively distributed has meant at most 2% of the population might read it. The popular appeal writers enjoyed in the 19th and 20th centuries was an anomaly and we're actually back to normal.

>>15659705
>has a genius level iq
>is praised for his movies and acting over good looks
>still gets women

It's not impossible Op.

>>15659882
>These days, every young Hans considers himself a poet

>>15659794
>Good looking people cant be good artists

>>15659794
cope

>>15659794
Holy cope

>>15659794
Great post, but cope

>>15659794
cope

>>15659794
dumbest shit ive ever heard, only reason why it might seem that way is because its much easier to become a hedonist if you're good looking and simple statistics, there are more unattractive people than good looking ones, the chances you will be both good looking AND a creative genius are pretty low

>>15659997
>the chances you will be both good looking AND a creative genius are pretty low
So who would be the best looking creative genius in history?

>>15659997
>the chances you will be both good looking AND a creative genius are pretty low
Objectively wrong. Good looks are correlated with all types of intelligence. Good looking people are more likely to be geniuses than uggos.

>>15660051
cope

>>15659794
Young tarkovsky was a chad

>>15659794
cope

>>15660169
cope

>>15660281
cope

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>>15659872
not one of these men is conventionally attractive

>>15659705
I love how the question OP asked was clearly "why become a writer if no one will read you because you're a white male?" and /lit/ answers as though it was asking why attractive people aren't published. Literally master race.

>>15660414
Camus is literally fucking hot. Stop coping

>>15659705
Guy looks bland and not super attractive

>>15660450
His hairline was fucked up

>>15660382
cope

>>15660414
Pound was pretty; Camus hot. Pound was also apparently quite tall as well. If he had been born in 2002 he would have been a tiktok eboy probably

>>15660500
lookit sartre over here

>>15660511
>If he had been born in 2002 he would have been a tiktok eboy probably
Wyndham Lewis too

>>15660414
The second guy is attractive.

>>15659705
shave your head and grow a beard

>>15659705
good fiction, regardless of how marketable or popular it is, will naturally find its way to the top. At least, that's what I tell myself.

>>15660142
holy shit

>>15660142
that's probably why his movies are bad

>>15660737
Filtered

>>15660500
Fuck off hairfag. NW2 is peak male hairline

>>15659794
>Good looking people cant be good artists

>>15659705
literally me if i had better skin and bone structure and hair

>>15660847
>NW2
lookism pls go

>>15660450
>Camus is literally fucking hot
The man literally looks like a filthy anglo,

-Receding hairline
-Huge forehead
-fatty neck
-manlet
-Puffy eyes
-no muscle tone

Its easy to be attractive when you are compared to the literal gremlin that is satre

it seems that to make good art suffering is a requisite. chads may make cheap entertainment as ephemeral as their looks, but art? no. who knows suffering better than we, uggos, do? we who have been banished from the materialist kalocratic society, we who have been deprived of human bonding. but as paradoxically as it may be, the uggos are vessels for beauty, for we do not identify being with our fleshly appearance as chads do - don't they know one day their flesh will be food for worms?

>>15659794
This is the seething folly of a talentless hack who has never amounted to anything. Da Vinci was a notoriously beautiful man in his youth. People who described his appearance would often fawn over his beauty, his powerful arms and his immaculate strength.

The same goes for Plato who was described as being a beautiful strong man with a powerful forehead and a broad chest. His strong physique is likely due to the fact that he was also a wrestler in his youth and even participated in the 4th year of 89th Olympiad.

Augustine was a 1st class chad who got pussy everyday until he converted to Christianity.

Young Delacroix could easily pass for a model.

Many young contemporary artists and writers are chads and enjoy moderate success. Jon Moody (pic related) comes to mind, and that man looks better than 99% of the human male populace.

Drop your degeneracy and get over yourself. It's vomit-inducing. There is no correlation between making good art and your physical appearance.

>>15661058
you have to go back

>>15661058
>Plato who was described as being a beautiful
Source on this?

>>15659705
>ITT: bluepilled fags coping and posting pictures of """attractive""" writers
lmao you idiots do realise most of your "pretty" boy artists like Camus would be considered 5/10 at best in 2020? attractiveness requirements inflation is real, you have to be an 8/10 Chad to even attempt to talk to a 2/10 landwhale now, that being said attractiveness is obviously positively correlated with sexual success and negatively with artistic merit

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>>15660169
cope

>>15660142
>film
>art

>>15661090
Plato means "broad shouldered", he certainly must have been a jock
>>15661058
>dude good looking people can be great artists too lmao
>mentions some literally whos, some pseuds and a christcuck
kys

>>15660737
BASED

>>15661058
None of these would be attractive by today's standard nor would the people they fucked.

>>15660492
pretty high standards huh sweaty

>>15660450
Camus is considered hot in France? He always looked meh to me, almost even nerdy.

>>15660767
>posting a literal autist that made justin timberlake tier ""poetry""
shyggdyt

>>15661058
>a nigger
>attractive

>>15661058
>. There is no correlation between making good art and your physical appearance.
There is, actually. By statistics, most good artists are average-looking.

>>15661058
are we supposed to know who the hell is jon moody?
is that shitty painting supposed to be high art??

>>15661098
>Plato means "broad shouldered", he certainly must have been a jock
That seems like a bit of leap to make from broad shouldered to being a beautiful strong man

>>15661125
might be, but he did bring sexy back

>>15661090
Epictetus - Discourses
Simplicius - Physics

We don't have their sources, but we have good reason to believe that he was attractive to the people of his time.

>>15661083
>>15661109
>>15661127

Cope and bait

>>15661098

>Literal whos
One of the greatest thinkers in history
One of the greatest thinkers in history
A leading romantic painter

A competent contemporary portrait artist

What an embarrassing display of cope.

>>15661058
that is one of the worst paintings ive seen btw

>>15659705
why not self-publish?
that seems to be the natural path for writers who do not appease to the jewish bureaucracy in control of the industry

>>15661166
is that nigger seriously considered attractive in the first world? lmao he would be seen as an ugly tryhard where I live, not even kidding.

>>15661166
>A competent contemporary portrait artist
Jesus Christ, you faggots would do anything to die on useless hills.

>>15661134
>>15661168

Are you people illiterate? The post I was replying to says good art. Is Jon Moody a great artist? No. Is he good at what he does? Yes. Is 'goodness' enough to be remembered by history? No. Is this the point of my post? No.
If you think this is the worst painting you have ever seen, you're either sheltered or lying. Probably both.

>>15661131
Show us some of your 'statistics'.

>>15661193
We have quite a low bar these days in what constitutes "good" art it seems. I blame the Americans and the post-modernists.

>>15661193
I don't know what to tell you, buddy. Most art school people wouldn't even call that art, it's more of an illustration.

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>>15661203

What is this cope? It's a competent portrait. It's definitely not flawless and you can clearly see that it was copied from a photo but it's definitely not bad art lmao.

>>15661166
>Cope and bait
It's true. We don't know exactly how they looked. And chances are they wouldn't be considered attractive by today's standards. Even some supposedly attractive people from decades ago wouldn't be hot today, now imagine from many centuries ago. Beauty standards change all the time.

Great, an incel thread. You guys really don't read, huh

>>15661216
Not even coping but that's definitely bad art and soulless just like most contemprary art. Most art schools suck these days and encourage mediocrity but still, if you suck as an artist that's your own fault.

>>15661058
posts literal nobody who clearly has no talent. compare the Windows to the portrait, some fuckery going on here.

>>15661216
>it's definitely not bad art
lmao. just shut up for 1 billion years on art please. never gonna make it. you have sensibility of a rock

>>15661218
>>15661208

I don't think you understand the purpose of this post. It clearly refutes the notion that only ugly people can make good art or write great work. Whether an individual was considered attractive once upon a time and is no longer considered attractive by the current Zeitgeist is completely besides the point and has no relevance to this discussion.

>>15661236
Is it so difficult to see that it is far from completed?

>>15661238
The whole topic of the thread has no relevance to this board, to be honest. It's more fit for a gossip board or lookism forum.

>>15661237
You clearly don't understand that not all art is made for aesthetic contemplation in art galleries and that art serves many purposes and its quality is determined by the function it serves??

>>15661166
>Epictetus - Discourses
I think thats a misreading there, as he brings up it as a hypothetical unlike hippocrates eloquence rather than any comment on his appearance.

>Simplicius - Physics
That man was writing well over a thousand years after Plato's death seems a bit tenuous don't you think? He doesnt strike me as being a Diogenes Laertius type of character.

I know this might seem odd but I get the feeling a lot of the descriptions of these figures is based on idolized portraits drawn from european imaginations.

cope thread

>>15661262
bait. dont ever @ me again

What the fuck is this thread? It's like i've stumbled in from a looksmax forum

>>15661353
/lit/ is an incel board now sweatie

>>15661353
the incel tourists are bringing muh looks into the fucking literature board lmao

damn this thread hit a nerve

Never ever listen to ugly people

>>15661058
Not even hating but you're deluded if this guy is better looking than 99% of the population, and I'm telling this as a male who got mistaken as a model even today on my mid 20's. He has a very nice body btw.

>>15662637
Or handsome people. They're delusional. Only listen to the average man.

>>15660142
He literally looks like gigachad wtf

>>15661175
This is something I’m wondering about. I’m a tall, athletic and good looking white guy. I work as a writer and editor (government publications), and am working on a book (a short story collection with a central plot). Kind of wondering whether it’ll be worth it at all trying to get a company to publish it or if I’ll just get told to fuck off.

>>15660142
Doesn't look like Tarkovsky. Pic rel is young Tarkovsky.

>>15661094
Why did you reply to my post?

>>15662858
why not

>>15662859
cope

>>15662917
cope

>>15659857
pound a good writer.
lmao

>>15661154
I'm pretty sure he also won the Olympics in wrestling twice. Greek wrestling was pretty fucking gay though.

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>>15662978
>trusting paintings on what a dead person really looked like
John Donne looks different in every portrait made of him.

>>15662992
cope

>>15663117
nope

>>15663131
rope

>>15663141
hope

>>15663155
dope

>>15659794
ONLY good looking people can be artists.

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>>15659794
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>>15663238
Pic related is what Courbet actually looked like.
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>>15663303
If the bar is this low then I might as well be an artist.

>>15659794
cope

>>15663323
>I might as well be an artist

>>15659794
cope.

>>15659794
Seethe

>>15663341
okay, that's a stretch. looks like every white guy in a US high scool.

>>15659794
How do you even recover

>>15663329
>timetodie.jpeg
>Wanders off into the wilderness.

What a mensch.

>>15663353
Now that's a handsome lad.

>>15659794
No Adonis but a fine young man
Cope

>>15663356
Still a good looking man

>>15659794

>>15659705
Personal fulfillment?

>>15659842
There are plenty of great writers who were attractive, Tolstoy is definitely not one of them, he looks like a goblin

>>15659842
kek he looks like a chimpanzee compared to OP's picture. You have no sense of aesthetics.

>>15659794
Cope from a creature who has no beauty outside or inside

>>15659794
>Theres no point in pursuing any art if you look like that. Good looking people cant be good artists

>>15663719
Literally looks like an incel. I've never seen anyone who was above an 8/10 make a great contribution to art, most of the people posted are just slightly above average who still have to rely on hard work and challanging themselves to gain their respect, but in all honesty a highly attractive person would be stupid to go down that route instead of taking the easy road in life.

>>15659794
spbp

>>15661058
Plato was just writing down stuff he learned from Socrates, who was considered one of the absolute ugliest people to ever exist.

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>>15663353
Uuuuh??

>>15663962
bait

>>15659794
Uglets cope by telling themselves that they’re artistic and by placing undo emphasis on their intellect (which no one cares about because they’re still ugly).

dont female authors disprove this entire thread

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>>15662797
all ugly btw

>>15661058
that painting sucks

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>>15665286
Cope

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>>15665267
poast physik right now

>>15659794
Cope

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>>15659842
none of these people will be remembered, all of them are period artists at best, show me a handsome master... i'll be waiting right here

>>15665564
400+ years and Christopher Marlowe´s still remembered

>>15660872
Isn't that the painter that killed Hitler or something?

What a hero.

>>15665564
Imagine shifting the goalposts so much just to cope.
Anon...
You have been defeated. Concede.

>>15665564
>Bernini, Rubens and Botticelli
>Not Masters
I know you're trolling but have my (you) anyway,

>>15659842
major incel alert

>>15666666
Uhh..based?

>>15666666
You don’t deserve those digits.

>>15666666
Uhhhhh DEBASED DEPARTMENT? WE GOT A LOOSE FAGGOT HERE

>>15661091
Virgin post.

>>15666666
Fucking digits waste

>>15659705
>Good authors are all ugl-

>>15665996
botticelli was a state endorsed highly paid artist, its like saying beyonce is a master, a master by definition cant be endorsed by the state until after death

>>15659705

>Being beautiful is a disadvantage for anything besides an OP impersonation contest

Are you an actual moron?

>>15667496
>Are you an actual moron?

>>15661098

>he must have been a jock

He was wrestling champion. Plato was his ring name, not his actual name.

>>15659705
I just released book 1 and book 2 is out next month. Yes.

>>15667506
Do you guys think being built makes up for a bad face etc ? But it definetly helps.

>>15667509
That's a tranny, anon.

>>15667512

Being wrestling champion helps. Being the best at X Z or Y helps.

>>15667506
Bro, just imagine Plato going on Joe Rogan and talking about MMA.

>>15667535
I dont think Platos environment is completly compareable to ours, but true.

>Good looking chads cant be good writers

*Ahem*

>>15667539

Lmao he'd be a regular, and the best of them all.
He'd outwrestle Brendan Schaub
He'd be a better story teller than Theo Von
He'd be higher test than Joe Rogan
Though I doubt he could survive a crack cocaine session with Joey Diaz

>>15667509

this bitch looks hot but she's probably like 5'11''

>>15666666
Based as fuck.

>>15667612

Which is a bad thing how exactly?

>>15667612
>Doesn't want tall model wife to have 6'3" giga-chad children with

>>15659794
>who is Jack Kerouac

>>15663385
Brahms was a manlet though. I was very surprised to find out. Having only gotten to know him through his pieces, I had the mental image of a titan. Not that being able to write powerful compositions has anything to do with height, but it's intuitively jarring listening to a piece as expansive as his second piano concerto and then realizing the man who wrote it would probably barely come up to ones shoulder. Same with Beethoven, Mahler, Mozart, and Wagner: all under 5'5".

>>15665564
>Brahms
>Not remembered
Oh, anon

>>15667653
Liking tall framelet women is gay

>>15667450
See
>>15660910

Take a look at photos of him outside of the single good picture taken of him

>>15667483
>a master by definition cant be endorsed by the state until after death
False. Master artists prosper with patronage and the state is absolutely a viable patron during Botticelli's era.

>>15661090
Plato means wide in Greek or so I've heard. Plats means wide in Latvian too. Platais is wide one. It's Platons in Latvian anyways.

>>15662992
Byron was fucking loads of women and they were fawning over how beautiful and brooding this guy is. There's countless descriptions claiming this guy was exceptionally beautiful and he took particular care to maintain good looks as part of his reputation. You're a literal retard or an uggo to insist on being a contrarian here.

>>15668155
because short and stocky is feminine KEK

>>15662859
Could you stop replying to my posts, please?

why y’all so triggered lol

isn’t this good news for most /lit/ posters?

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>>15663719
>these are supposed to be attractive
can't imagine how ugly your faces might be

>>15659875
I think McCarthy's relentlessly handsome desu no homo

BAP/Delicious Tacos self publishing route is now the only respectable route, and why would you want to be read by normals anyway

>>15659879
This all the time.

>>15659794
Imagine being so fucking resentful because you're a fucking uggo.

Other than the great attractive artists posted above...

DAILY REMINDER THAT MODELING IS ALSO A TYPE OF ART AND REQUIRES BEAUTY AND ENORMOUS TALENT TO POSE AND TO BE ABLE TO CHARACTERIZE A PIECE OF HAUTE COUTURE.

God, I fucking hate resentful uggos, or uggos that cope their uglyness somehow. You're ugly as fuck, get over it.

And finally, a question to the ugly people of /lit/: how do ugly people come to like each other? Do you just lower your standards, or you just ignore physical appearance at this point? It's surprising that uglyness hasn't been ditched by natural selection already.

>>15672288
Forgot to add pic related.

This is Coco Rocha, a master of pose. If you can't see the artistry behind it, art is absolutely not for you. Stick to philosophy and STEM.

>>15672288
Whats with all these Chad larpers. Youre probably average mate.

>>15672306
Definitely above average, but I've never made a huge deal about not being a total Chad. I don't really care. Ugly people resenting beauty or coping are just painfully pathetic, though. It's some serious incel bullshit.

>>15662978
Byron was fat as hell by the time he wrote his best works. And fat when he started writing at all too, to the point his male lover couldn't recognize him when he lost weight.

>>15668761
There's also countless reports that he was a landwhale when he actually started producing good shit and not that tedious child harold saga. He died regretting his youth and lost beauty because some greek boy rejected him.

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>>15672304
>WOW JUST LOOK AT THIS KITSCH, VAPID, VAIN SHIT! IT'S ART!!!!

>>15663353
He was better than Lord Alfred Douglas (whose works were all terrible btw, tho the original draft of the death poet "to oscar wilde" was touching). That's as much credit as I can give him.

>>15659794
I'd say he is good looking. But aside from that he is more of a man than you will ever be.

>>15672405
>KITSCH
I don't think you know what that word means, or don't have the taste to appreciate beautiful, balanced aesthetics

>VAIN
You say it as if it was a bad thing.

>lecture hall overflows

>>15673212
ok this one changed my mind

>>15673212
kek

>>15668131
you forgot our kleines bruder schubert, coming in at a syphilitic 4'6"

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>>15659872
Looks autistic

>>15673634
Jesus. Can you imagine dying of that shit when you're only like 30 years old?

>>15668131
Idk, with the aforementioned composers, their height seems almost negligible, not that height matters much anyway. The sheer force of their personas and genius is way too overwhelming to even take note of their height. Even just on page it can almost be too much. In that picture for instance, while Brahms is noticeably shorter than the other gentlemen, he doesn't look odd or inferior, but titanesque in his own way. Probably has to do with that magnificent mane.

>>15673683
It really is a tragedy. If I'm being honest, a greater loss to music than Mozart's or Pergolesi's (26) early deaths. Not that this is saying much, especially when we are talking about geniuses at their levels, music lost a lot of gems with all of their early deaths regadless.

>>15673807
I would like to think the expression of genius necessitates the early death, as if these luminaries are cashing out the rest of their lives in order to channel the divine, a task that scorches luck and life force leaving one a pile of dust

>>15673838
Bach was already a singularity at 35, just like Schubert, Mozart et.al. The Passacaglia and Fugue in C minor was written sometime between the ages of 21-28. Stupendous. But then at times I wonder what marvels we could have had if all these guys got the chance to age like Bach. It would almost be too much to bear.

>>15673888
Current consensus seems to favour age 22.

>>15669062
It’s the incel who can most shrewdly evaluate male attractiveness. Attractive guys don’t think very hard about what makes a face attractive.

>>15659875
High T is bad for art. Cormac's T can't be too high.

>>15660872
>gets accepted into art school

>>15667483
>a master by definition cant be endorsed by the state until after death
master: exercising mastery
mastery:
1.command or grasp, as of a subject:
a mastery of Italian.
2.superiority or victory:
3.mastery over one's enemies.
4.the act of mastering.
5.expert skill or knowledge.
6.the state of being master; power of command or control.

>>15674490
if german society had read judith butler and come to understand the constructed nature of sex and performative nature of gender hitler could have transitioned into a qt transgirl and the holocaust would never have happened

>>15659794
Cope

>>15659794
Good looking people can be good artists as long as they are lacking something, which all depends on circumstances. The key to art is lacking something, not being ugly.

>>15659842
dios mio

>>15675871
>as long as they are lacking something

like an arm or what

>>15674010
>High T is bad for art.

based on what exactly

>>15672288
post a picture

>>15659794
Unfathomably based

>>15672386
That's why he was on a diet most of the life, he had propensity to gaining weight and he had a fucked up foot that made physical exercise difficult. He still was a competent swimmer and boxer despite of that. You're still ignoring all the women who were going crazy for him, especially that nutter who he rejected and basically went mad for it.

>loses plagiarism lawsuits

>>15674490
ginny?

>>15677447
That was during his years of fame in london when he actually was slender and handsome due to dieting. By the time he was in a sexual hedonistic binge in Venice, some commented he looked 40 when he couldn't be more than 30. Hobhouse, Moore, Hanson, Webster, all remarked he grew too obese. Not that the italian whores minded. He tried to lose weight but never returned to his former glory and remained fat.

>>15677486
underrated

>>15674490
i would heil her sieg

>>15661058
>roid monkey

>>15676264
Like satisfaction with their life. Just because you look good doesn't mean you're exempt from shit like having a family member die young or getting drafted in the military.

Them chads are all over the place aren't they?

>>15660142

Find some that looks at you in the same way this guy looks at Tarkovsky

>>15661091
I am slayer but with excessive childhood trauma so I alternate between dissociative loner and smart sexy king

>>15680992
>smart sexy king

cringe

>>15659794
This is very true. Always said that arts, philosophy, literature etc. is for compensating ugly fucks with mediocre intelligence.

but lit just wont swallow the pill

>>15659842
Cope yourself, ugly loser, you know he is right. The world values good looks infinitely over "good brains"

>>15663719
>>15663341
Not at all good looking lol, fucking uggo cope

>>15680992
>so I alternate

Lol kys you delusional toaster you are a perpetual loser

>>15665564
>caring about being remembered

Oh thats right, all geniuses die without a single shred of recognition until they are dead meanwhile chads are litearlly in the spotlight from they are born untill they die

Which matter most, if you are truly intelligent, you fucking virgin faggot

>>15659794
cope

>>15659705
Ezra Pound was hot

shut ur muth.

dotch

>>15682120
this is true.