/lit/ - Literature

where do I start?
what's the starter pack?

>>15651360
The Hungry Caterpillar

>>15651381
fuck you

>>15651360
The Moon is a Harsh Mistress

Some June Books

ADA PALMER - Perhaps the Stars
ALLAN KASTER, ED. - The Year’s Top Hard Science Fiction Stories 4
CHRISTOPHER FOWLER - Bryant & May: Oranges & Lemons
CHRISTOPHER HUSBERG - Dawnrise
DANIEL JOSÉ OLDER - Dactyl Hill Squad
DAVID GERROLD - Hella
DONNA SCOTT, ed. - Best of British Science Fiction 2019
ELLEN DATLOW, ED. - Final Cuts: New Tales of Hollywood Horror and Other Spectacles
GENE WOLFE - Interlibrary Loan
GREGORY BENFORD & LARRY NIVEN - Glorious
JACKSON FORD - Random Shit Flying Through the Air
JERRY POURNELLE & DAVID WEBER, ET AL - Mamelukes
JESSE KOWALSKI, ED. - Enchanted: A History of Fantasy Illustration
JIM BUTCHER - Peace Talks
JONATHAN STRAHAN, ED. - The Book of Dragons
KATHERINE ADDISON - The Angel of the Crows
KIM HARRISON - American Demon
LAURIE FOREST - The Shadow Wand
MAX BROOKS - Devolution
MERCEDES LACKEY - Spy - Spy Again
MIKE ASHLEY ED. - Queens of the Abyss: Lost Stories from the Women of the Weird
PATRICK NESS - Burn
RENÉE AHDIEH - The Damned
ROBERT J. SAWYER - The Oppenheimer Alternative
S.A. CHAKRABORTY - The Empire of Gold
SARAH J. MAAS - Selkie Summer
SETH DICKINSON - The Tyrant
SILVIA MORENO-GARCIA - Mexican Gothic
TAYLOR ANDERSON - Destroyermen: Winds of Wrath
TERRY BROOKS - The Last Druid
TIM POWERS - The Properties of Rooftop Air
YOON HA LEE - Phoenix Extravagant
ZOJE STAGE - Wonderland

Any fantasy books that match the feeling of going outside and basking in the sun on a summer's day?

>>15651180
Now that you mention it... A pg13 version, yeah. No cute vagina waiting to be stuffed in this except the two protagonist's mom, who is a size queen that takes off literal horse sized dicks every night. She left her man to be a lesbian with sphinx.

>>15651761
Not really fantasy, but the start of Lonesome Dove is so fucking 'summer comfy'.
The whole book is comfy, but the start where they are all just sitting around with the pigs in the hot sun, wandering down to town and fucking a hooker, and playing poker, only to stumble back home and sleep out on the porch. Loved it.

>>15651251
You started it. Continue the series and see of you are singing the same tune. If you finished the entire thing and still feel the same then you are a do you even read with shit tastes.

>>15651095
She published 8 million gods last year I think. She probably going with the shit and outdated method of releasing one book every two years

>>15651259
>he thinks the animals are IN the apartments
Is this the state of burger's reading comprehension?

>>15651871
On the roof isn't much better.
It's not enough room for a pregnant horse.

>>15651763

Whats all this about horse sized dicks gentlemen??

>>15651921
You sound like peta/vegan faggot. Kys

>>15652037
Watch the movie. Her new husband is a centaur

>>15652435
How so?
[I forget his name, Barbard(?)] was troubled by seeing Deckards electric sheep, I'm guessing because they hate robots/androids, and yet he is keeping a real live horse on the roof.
Horses need to be able to run around, otherwise they will just gain weight and die, even more so now that this one is pregnant.
A Sheep I can understand, same with a pig, cow or chicken, they don't need much space, and provide a resource for you. A Horse does fuck all for anyone.

Again, I have only read the first chapter so far, so maybe it will come together later, maybe it's an electric horse and he is also ashamed of letting people know, I don't know.
A horse just seems impractical is all.

>>15651381
keked

discuss

>imagine being an immortal being
>imagine commissioning a piece with your own money a few centuries ago
>imagine you acquire back your property, only to have the art police arrest you saying you don't have rights to your property, it belongs to the people
>imagine they stole your shit you had made and sells it to a museum because "it's the peoples"
Reading books with long lived characters is fun. Compound interest and knowing something that is praised and lauded as the pinnacle of it's form is actually trash must be fun.

>>15652477
You never saw how people who weren't supposed to keep certain animals, kept them, did you? People would go through extra ordinary lengths to keep their contraband hidden. He probably had a huge ass treadmill like the race horse trainers got. Maybe he impreggers the horse himself.

Who is this reincarnation of the strongest sword god? Where the fuck did 10 books pop up from?

>>15651733
How do you fags find time to read that much? I barely managed to finish 5 books this month and I have been reading almost non stop.

>>15652703
Excessive grimdark is just as bad as traditional hero fantasy.

>>15651733
Don't think there was anything that interested me this month.
Considered Deathless but decided to finish the author's first trilogy first, considered Obsidian Tower but was put off by abandoning the author's last series. Might try the Katherine Addision or The Kingdom of Liars but they're not really screaming read me.

>>15653062
He didn't read all of that. Those are new releases for June 2020.
Also 5 books a month is not bad. You can get 60 books a year. That is far more than a lot of pretenders read here.

>>15653141
What about interlibrary loan?

>>15653193
Never read the first book in that series and I don't have a lot of interest in noir, even if it is scifi noir

>>15651360
wheel of time, stormlight archive, malazan

>>15652875
>knowing something that is praised and lauded as the pinnacle of it's form is actually trash
you don't get to decide how people enjoy things, anon

>>15653029
It’s a webnovel
I read it
All 2700 chapters of it
It’s ok I guess

>>15651328
The OP could be better but I'll allow it.

>>15653536
Tell that to the rich that poor people imitate.
The rich tell them how they (the rich) enjoy things and poor people copy them.

>>15653932
Waaaaat?

>>15651139
I feel like you missed a point of the books if you think Aral Vorkosigan is the same man at 45 that he was at 25. Or if he was the same man at 65 that he was at 45. The man changed a lot over time, and represented progressive ideas and change. He cringes at his former self and the mistakes he's made.

Honestly, the entire series reads as like some coded strategy guide for how to slowly poison "the patriarchy", until it's too sick to fight back. Cordelia being the poisoner.

Also, I'm reading that Bujold divorced her husband in the early 90s. Gentleman Jole having come out in 2015. If she was going to write self insert fantasies due to her divorce, then she started pretty late.

>>15652703
Akka did nothing wrong.

Sorweel was based.

I've already read Kane and Imaro, are there are any worthwhile Conan knockoffs?

>>15654647
the other one the imaro author wrote

What if Kvothe was a girl?

>>15654813
then instead of getting cucked everywere he went hed be getting railed by everyone giving him the tiniest bit of attention.

>>15654813
What if you weren't a fag?

>>15654897
Sound like your typical tranny senpai.

>>15654906
nah trannies dont actually get sex after they change. not from normal people anyways.

>>15654917
Those poor misguided souls.

>>15654952
Nothing wrong with fucking a cute feminine looking person. As long as you don't play with their dicks.

>>15655551
Are you the same dude in denial from the previous thread?

Ignore trannyposters.

What are you guys reading? June is soon ending.

>>15656053
Reread Art of Adept because few things were unclear and now I am really worried that book 4 will be full-on sjw shit fest as book 3 took a turn for the worse.

Do chinks have advance biological cameras for eyes? Why is it that in these chink novels the protagonist eyes are always flashing? Are they dogs or cats? They got that special rods that gives nocturnal vision?

>>15656242
It's probably some sort of industrial polution.

>>15656113
Read the beginning after the end already.

>>15656053
I started reading Mother of Learning but I got to the end of book/part 1 and I feel no real compulsion to carry on right now.
Running out of attempts at finding fun fantasy reads with powering up and I still haven't found anything that scratches the same itch as xianxia.

So I'll probably read Driving the Deep instead because I've been saving that for months.
If I don't do that I'll either go to Velocity Weapon or whatever the latest Sherwood Smith series is called (Sword of Destiny?) had that on my kindle for ages and still haven't got round.

>>15656252
Can you explain to me the convergence series? I googled but I can only find book 5 and book 7, where are the rest of the books?

>>15656053
Fire & Blood, Black Company, Soldier of the Mist
>>15653186
SFFG books are very easy to read. It took me like 3 months to read The Aeneid.

>>15656334
https://www.goodreads.com/series/173792-the-beginning-after-the-end
Not the anon who has been recommending whatever this is but goodreads clears it up.
Convergence is the 5th book in the series, google fucked up the formatting of it, probably should be: "Convergence, Book 5 of The Beginning After The End", because it got formatted the other way around google interpreted Convergence as the series name.

>>15651790
Fucking hell. Tell me that I get more Rand than this. I swear to god if I have read another a chapter of Egwene seething, Nynaeve nagging, and Elayne trying to find a fucking bath. I just some want Rand chapters. Not this bullshit

>>15656398
Thanks.

>>15656428
>I swear to god if I have read another a chapter of Egwene seething, Nynaeve nagging, and Elayne trying to find a fucking bath
It's bitches all the way down anon. All the way down.

>>15656388
>The Aeneid.
Why you had to ruin it? Now I feel you're a pretentious cunt.

>>15656242
>kvothe eyes flashed as he fucked the fairy goddess

>>15656463
>Oh, this is pretty interesting, Rand's talks with Lews-
>Hey, how about another aes sedai bitches?
Fucking hell.

>>15656428
It's probably one of the reasons why I appreciate Ta'veren Boys more than the bitches.

>>15656481
Are you threatened by my superior intellect?

>>15656481
Just fyi that is no the same person who said he read 5 books.

>>15656633
>thinks reading a shit old book of poems (lel) makes him superior

>>15656611
Admittedly I only made it through the first half of the first book but when all you want is for one of the characters to deliver a short sharp slap to the back of the head of whichever ho is making an ass out of herself, that is some shitty writing.
Everything really comes into perspective after I read about those rumors that Jordan was abused by his sisters as as a child.

>>15656696
>I read about those rumors that Jordan was abused by his sisters as as a child.
They used to pinch his willie and tell him it's useless.

From page 8 we come.

>>15656782
That really does explain so much.

>>15651360
the holy bible you godless communist

>>15657760
>tips fedora

>>15657816
seriously read dune for sci-fy and the hobbit/lotr for fantasy

>>15643615
>I liked the fact that it didn't shy away from being graphic and vulgar almost but it worked well and didn't seem like it was over doing it to be just to be edgy
Hahaha, are you fucked in the head?! It absolutely IS edgy just to be edgy.

There's a brutal rape scene at the beginning of the book. And for what? Just to show how crazy the Arukh are? How fucking convenient to have a race of soulless brutes. It gives you the license to write all kinds of brutalities, and then excuse it as "world building. PHA! Ridiculous.

I'm so dropping this book. btw, I'm listening to the audio version. So it has this added uncomfortableness of hearing a female voice describe a bloody rape. I wonder how these narrators keep a straight face. I know some girls have orc rape fantasies, so maybe she likes it?

I counted the time. From the first mention of the rape, to the time the scene resolves, it was about 13 minutes and 28 seconds. Just rounding down, that's 13 minutes of the rape, and the immediate aftermath of dealing with the rapists. And then explaining why Arukhs are all unhinged animals. Now in a 14 hour audiobook, 13 minutes isn't an incredibly long time. But when you're cringing it feels like an eternity.

I guess if you're a fan of world of warcraft, and have some orc rape fetish, then you'll really like this book. But personally? Fuck this noise.

>>15657908
I went out of my way to save the cover image, and then I forgot to post it. Now I feel like an idiot.

>>15657908
>I'm listening to the audio version. So it has this added uncomfortableness of hearing a female voice describe a bloody rape
Hawt. Downloading right now. Thanks for the rec.

Looking for books where mc is a former leader or king, or on the path of conquest.
Depictions of diplomacy, exuding a pressure of authority over people people who challenge him.
This is mostly cause I read this one chapter in some chinkshit novel that got adapted to wwbtoon style(the beginning before the end) and that shit was ludokino, at least it felt that way for me, maybe I have shit taste.

Any recs for D&D books? Preferably a series that touches on lore and backstory. I've played all the infinity engine games, but I just got the full goldbox/ravenloft/krynn/dark sun collections on GOG and would like to be a bit more informed on their settings before jumping in.

>>15658118
The books are irrelevant to the games.

>>15658082
What the hell? So that's how it is in /sffg/?

Well to add, I think the reader they got isn't really fit for the book. Because she's very whispery and low energy. And it doesn't fit a lot of the tension and violence she's describing. So I'm trying to think why they might have used it, and the only thing that makes sense is that she's the only one willing to read the book. I have to imagine that most readers tapped out when they heard it was going to have graphic depictions of rape. So the girl they got probably likes that sort of thing.

Just something to think about.

>>15656053
2001: a space odyssey by Arthur C. Clarke
half first book for now.
I just ended The Instrumentality of Mankind saga by Cordwainer Smith, was a fantastic journey from the cold war until 16000 years of humanity.

/sffg/, I've been having trouble writing lately and I'm at a loss on what to do. I don't feel comfortable taking a break but I'm having trouble chipping away at the story

>>15656053
I've been reading Lem's Summa Technologiae. It makes me pretty keen to read his fiction stuff

>>15658551
You should kill yourself.

>>15657908
>audio "book"
>cringe

Sounds about right

holy shit memory sorrow thorn is slowwwwwwwww

>>15658551
Take a break or change your writing habits, spend less time and be happy with what ever you produce.
You'll just burn yourself out otherwise.

>>15656053
Chink shit, boutta start writing my own. when I'm a famous author I'll track Martin down and slap his fat wine tits.

>>15656242
b r a h

>>15657919
Happens to the best of us anon.

>>15659193
I have bad news for you, anon.
It doesn't pick up. Aside from a sparse few good scenes, the whole thing has zero pay off.

Started reading Lightbringer, why does every single character talk like they're giving a heroic grandiose speech even when it's only a standard conversation in private? Is this just a Weeks thing?

>>15660122
High fantasy noncery, I dropped the series though so don't take my opinion seriously

Are there any books where the protagonist just wanders around and learns magic from their adventures instead of from any school/mentor setting?

>>15656611
If anything the long fucking wait and finally Rand being able to understand these bitches made it satisfying when he truly learned how to keep anyone that isn't Cadsuane or Moraine shut the fuck up. It's honestly fucking laughable that the father figure of Rand was the one who finally gave him an epiphany that turned him into Jesus Rand. Books after books of controlling bitches and the Father figure was the only one who can give him some actual good advice that doesn't involve being bitched around by woman.

>>15658168
You never read much if you think the small amounts of rape you described would dissuade anyone from reading.
I listened to an audiobook where someone raped a virgin little girl with a huge spiked penis, it was written by a female author, had a female narrator and the job was well done.

P.s that D.G Valdron got me feeling the author is female. So she knows what she is doing / wants.

>>15659188
>feels he is superior for reading on dead trees instead of listening to processed metals from the earth
You really think your lardass neet self is better than people in here?

>>15660196
>I dropped the series though so don't take my opinion seriously
Because you realized there are no elves?

>>15660520
Yes.

>>15660770
Hey, just because you and your buddies on the Ryona forums are into rape, that doesn't mean every other person is fine with it.
And no, it wasn't handled well. It was just a hit-the-reader-over-the-head method of characterizing the people and the main character. It would be nearly as cringey if rape wasn't involved at all. Because it came across as this silly power fantasy. Trying too hard to be fearless and bad ass. The rape was only a heaping amount of edge on top of the shitpile.

Also, this is your writer. Some creepy looking rumpled guy. He looks like if you took Brian Redban, and removed the boyish charm.

>>15660881
He looks like he wants to rape you, anon.

>>15660925
That was the good photo. Check this one out.
Poor guy has RRF. Resting Rape Face

>>15660813
I don't believe you

>>15661009
Then don't believe me.

Have you read a litrpg book that you liked lately?

Any good recs for fantasy mostly around the ocean or naval adventures?

>>15661292
What the fuck is litrpg?
Like CYOA books?

>>15661292
Yes.

>>15661653
Well what was it??

>>15661298
The Scar.

>>15661802
Can I just read it without having read the first book in the series?

>>15661876
Yes.

>>15661876
The Scar by China Mieville. It's not a series.

>>15661292
I started Dungeon Lord but it was shit and dropped it.

>>15661876
they're just set in the same world it's not a series

https://www.brandonsanderson.com/official-knights-radiant-order-quiz/

Take the quiz, nerds

>>15659193
Tad Williams in general is slow, but he's gotten better at speeding up the pace of his books with practice. Unfortunately you're reading Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn, which is from the 80s, his oldest work of fantasy, and therefore his slowest. Unlike later series by him it never really picks up. You need to be in a particular mood to get through it, it took me a long time to finish reading it when I was in college.

I managed to get my hands of The Fires of Vengeance.

Posted massive review on Goodreads. It was awesome. Fans of The Rage of Dragons will be pleased.

>>15660813
>>15661653
>>15661899
just fuck off already you piece of shit

>>15663031
> he reads unfinished series!

>>15663031
I read enough new stuff to probably get in on ARCs, problem is that all of my detailed reviews have been negative lol

>>15661009
>trying to use reverse psychology on me instead of asking

>>15661797
Reborn Apocalypse by L M Kerr. It's trashy, but kinda fun.

>>15663421
>Reborn Apocalypse by L M Kerr. It's trashy, but kinda fun.
Perfect description. I've read it too. Read anything else?

>>15663115
you seem upset...

>>15660798
Yes.

>>15662745
Is the last king of osten ard good?

>>15651733
>palmer
finally

>>15664412
I've been enjoying it, but fuck me if I could remember who half the characters were since it's been almost a decade since I read it last. Not even the prequel novella really helped refresh my memory on it. As far as pacing goes it's definitely much quicker than MSaT, which I know isn't a very high bar to get over, but it reads more at what I would consider a moderate pace. Tad Williams is never "fast", in the sense that a lot of the more trendy authors these days are, his books pretty much always have a slow build up, but I feel like Last King of Osten Ard builds momentum a lot quicker. I'd say there's also a lot more variety in point of view characters in the sequel series compared to the original one.

Am i reading too fast? after I finish a book i remember the plot quite well as well as the general "way" character were, but i don't sit down to digest what I have read. I soon forget names dates, locations while still remembering he plot. Yet I'm still eager to jump into the next book of the series. Am I doing it wrong?

Anybody got any opinions or recs related to the Dangerous Visions anthology? Just started reading it, I'm enjoying it so far. I thought all the guff about it being truly transgressive material was going to be just that, until I got to Flies.

>>15664681
Sounds like you're skimming which is why you forget details but remember the broad strokes of the plot. Slowing down might help, but you might also just be disinterested in what you're reading which is why none of it sticks in your mind.

>>15664681
I had that problem because when I was young I just wanted to say I finished the book quickly. I like to read like I am narrating for an animation or film and give my brain a little time to set the scene.

>>15664733
That might be it, I'm not saying the book don't stick with me at first, it does, but I dunno just not as much a I think it should have. Maybe I'm just overthinking it by comparing to my study books. I probably shouldn't memorize very detail or anything lie it if I'm reading for leisure.
>>15664978
I will try to slow down but some part just grip you and make you read faster. The most crucial part for me is that I don't mull over what I've read after I read it and maybe I should. But, as I said, if I'm reading a saga of multiple books I rarely want to give myself time to do so before moving into the next book.
I'm in my middle 20s and i
I only started reading for pleasure a while back. And I have thoroughly enjoyed myself so far, so that is why I'm kind of sacred about spoiling the books by my bad reading habits.

>>15664681
I forget almost everything from a book within like two months but if I start reading it/about it/reading the sequel again everything almost immediately comes back to me

books that give the same vibe as this movie?

>>15663766
Underdog by Alexey Osadchuk
Skeleton in space by Andries Louws
Shadow Sun by Dave Willmarth
These were all "kinda fun". Your mileage may vary.

>>15653062
5 books a month is a fucking lot. I've barely managed 10 and we're halfway into the year.

>>15654647
Have you read Kull and Bran Mak Morn, too?

I’m looking for stuff that works on a cultural level and helps illuminate values but also hopes, dreams, and fears of various societies. Mostly going to be using this for a world lit course so I’d like some non-American and frankly non-western works.
Is The Three Body Problem a good starting place? Does it have stuff in it that makes it distinctly Chinese sci-fi vs say like, Asmiov who I hear it compared to?

>>15665639
Well on the plot level 3BP literally opens with the Cultural Revolution. I haven't read enough Chinese SF to know what makes it distinct from English/Western SF though.

Any Ancient Egypt themed/located fantasy?
Alternatively, and fantasy for breakdancing on a sheet of cardboard outside the front of the department store on a Saturday?

>>15665966
Stargate

>>15651921
You do know it's a robot horse, right?

>>15666014
>tv series
I hope you die.

>>15665966
Conan stories. Not-exactly-Egypt exports mostly evil wizards.

>>15666065
>An excellent album by an excellent electro pioneer

>>15666109
Yeah I like to listen to electronic music while I read, especially nonvocal stuff. Helps me concentrate, especially when there are other noises and conversations happening.

i finished "Song of Susannah" by stephen king. The dixie pig being an outpost of the crimson king was pretty sweet, the imagery and creatures inside of it was so creepy

>>15665885
I guess I’d be looking for stuff on the level of highlighting aspects of Chinese culture like: collectivism, filial piety, etc.

>>15654647
There's Elric, but he was written to be the anti-Conan.

>>15666267
Do yourself a favor and absolutely listen to Stephen King when he tells you not to finish the last bit of The Dark Tower.

>>15665966
Kane chronicles by Rick Riordan

>>15660520
The Warded Man

/sffg/, while I'm taking a break from writing I want to reread some of the stories that inspired my story in the first place to see if I can rekindle my passion. Which do you think I should start with?

>The Underland Chronicles
>Harry Potter
>Homestuck

>>15667244
Take a break from using /sffg/ as your blog as well.

>>15667435
no

Why is it so hard to think of a good name for a book

>>15667457
Because you have no idea what you are doing or what a "good name" would be.

>>15667457
How much have you already written, because the moment you have an established theme or major element you should have a decent enough place holder title until the end.

Why do women love to get raped?

>>15667244
Jeremy Thatcher Dragon Hatcher.

>>15667596
Rape fantasies stem from submissive women getting off to being dominated, or some weird, specific fetish she has about the scenario, not the rape per se.

Most women are submissive to some degree so it's not really surprising rape fantasies are common among women. Most of them probably would choose not to have those fantasies if they could help it, but they can't help their nature.

I keep remembering this book I had gotten when I was younger and it was a blue cover with a green lizard/reptile on it and he had on silver armour. I threw it away ages ago and now I keep remembering it vividly and want to potentially read it again to see whether it was actually good or not, do any of you bros know this book or have any ideas on what it could be?

>I'll give you a chance, kneel before me, kowtow three times, call me grandpa three times, and I'll leave you with a complete corpse!"

And you people want to read western literature?

>>15661292
I’ve been reading Chrysalis and Defiance of the Fall
Webnovels on royal road
The stuff that actually gets published in a book is just so filled with bad tropes and quips that I can’t stand it

Can anyone help me find this SF book? I saw it at B&N one time on one of those tables a long time ago.

Set in the far distant future. Potentially millions of years? I didn't get a sense of a character, but more of a huge macro scale narrative for humanity's development. The cover was mostly black with some stars iirc, I think the back was the same. The book looked fairly recent in its design, though it may have been a reprinting of something older. Thank you anyone who thinks they know what it is. I've thought about this book for years.

>>15668405
Xeelee

which of egan's novels should i start with?

just finished the short story collection axiomatic

>>15668405
star maker by stapledon

>>15666028
I had an inkling, but they don't come right out and say it's a robot horse.

The 2nd chapter was real confusing for me. I have no real idea what was happening or what any of it meant. I'm such a brainlet.
From what I interpreted, John Isidore who is probably a robot, grabs onto a machine and is transported to some sort of robot hivemind convention up a hill. He sees through the eyes of Wilbur Mercer, who could be king robot(?), someone who leds the robots against the humans.
It felt sort of like a Dollarhyde chapter from 'Red Dragon', but again, I probably am just too dumb to actually realise what was going on.

>>15668786
Also, is a 'chickenhead' just a lesser smart person?
Because Googling it brings up how it's a slur for 'woman,' how their heads go back and forth, like a chickens, during oral sex.

>>15659648
>>15662745
>it doesn't pick up
>it never really picks up
fuck
I thought it got interesting/mysterious
I feel like this is going to be another
>read first book
>can never get into the second or subsequent
just like Hyperion and Wheel of Time

>Looking for something new to read
>Everything is just drowned out but LitRPG/Cultivation garbage
>Can't even find any regular SFFG because there's so much chinkshit and game garbage

Reminder that people who write or read LitRPGs and chinkshit need to be set on fire.

>>15660805
Something like that, it's because I read the first book twice and couldn't help but feel that it was the heroes journey with crap glued on.

>>15661292
I like all of them but that's because I enjoy simple formulaic stories at this point, ditto for chink shit.

>>15669239
Shut up, there's nothing to read because western fantasy is dead. Its all trans black female empowerment and never again will a white farm boy discover a mentor figure who later dies who sets him on a path of heroism against a dark lord who might have killed his parents wielding magic/ a dragon/ a sword

>>15669254
>Shut up, there's nothing to read because western fantasy is dead
Even that being the case, people who read or write chinkshit or LitRPG shit STILL need to be set on fire.

>"Hey Guys, can you recommend a good series pls?"
>"Read [enter series here] series, it's 20 books long, but you should stop after book 3 because it becomes shit."

Are there any series that are consistently good throughout?
I don't want to start a series, just to stop part way through.

>>15669267
yes

>>15669271
ty

>>15669261
I mean, I guess.

Reverend insanity is a gem though, can't think of a western novel I've read that was as good.

>>15669254
Would I be burnt for eating that chocolate?

>>15669267
Dresden Files
Felix Castor

It's incredibly easy to find new books to read, even in a dry release month like this one is for me I can just go back and find like 6+ new books I missed from recent months that are worth a read
>>15669267
Don't read many long series but Discworld and Vorkosigan are both incredibly consistent in quality. Also this isn't a consensus opinion by any means but I think Frank Herbert's Dune books got better as the series went on

>>15669312
>Also this isn't a consensus opinion by any means but I think Frank Herbert's Dune books got better as the series went on
You're right. It isn't a consensus. I and many others vehemently disagree with you.

Thanks to the anons who recommended ed greenwood. The sluts in these books are just cock hungry. They don't care who stuffs them.

>>15669294
Maybe, It's a laxative though.

Any fantasy fiction set in present day and age?

>>15669261
>people who read or write chinkshit or LitRPG shit STILL need to be set on fire.
Whatever dude. Litrpg is just a replacement for the D&D novels of old. Since modern D&D lives off the woke culture, litrpg novels offer a refreshing and familiar rpg adventures.

>>15661292
The System Apocalypse. Similar to Shadow Sun Survival, but i liked it more.

>>15664236
>>15664115

i just dislike autistic faggots, and pretending to be a retard makes you a retard, you retard.

Any recommendations for wholesome human/android romance stories that aren't cringe or wish fulfillment smut?
>>15651360
At your local library

>>15669492
>The System Apocalypse
How can you stand the doormat always angry mc and faggot pandering over-and-undertones?

>>15661292
Spellheart by Marvin Whiteknight
It's was a bunch of porn, kinda? But I somehow enjoyed the story. Maybe I'm a coomer.

>>15661292
I'm inherently against the litrpg setting but even if I made considerations for it they all sound pretty boring. Wandering Inn is the only one vaguely interesting and that sounds so broad that it's basically just a standard fantasy book

>>15669524
How is it retarded to answer what was asked, faggot? If you weren't a brainlet, you would be able to structure your sentences properly to get a concise answer. You were answered exactly what you asked. We don't have no obligation to spoonfeed your ass. Not because your mommy did everything without you asking means the world will do it for you, faggot piece of shit.

>>15670092
>Wandering Inn is the only one vaguely interesting
Don't. I know it sounds like a magical Inn that moves all over, but it isn't. That book /series is by the numbers. The author did everything to stretch it as possible. It's long than the complete WoT series and Malazan series, and it's still being written.

I think the litrpg fad has passed already. Hell I was writing one but I got bored and stopped to work on something else. It was your typical goofy harem fantasy litrpg but this time with incest, but a at a certain point I looked at it and said "what the fuck am I writing?" and tossed it away. I have no clue how all those litrpg writers manage to fill out entire books.

>>15670230
>I think the litrpg fad has passed already
>because I can't finish my book, this thing is falling out of favour for everybody

>>15670297
But the genre is a joke. Even lower than Japanese Light Novels. If you want to write a wish fulfillment story then just write a generic fantasy one instead of shoehorning video game elements into it.

>>15670519
>just write a generic fantasy one instead of shoehorning video game elements

Write what you know anon.
I don't know anything about Fantasy, other than from the Fantasy vidja I play.

>>15670519
>light novels being better than anything

I used to try to start discussions on literary sci-fi and fantasy here back in the day and they only took off a little
It’s nice to see that you all managed to turn it into a general

>>15670519
Only decent light novels are like... maybe Legend of the Galactic Heroes, but honestly the anime is way better.

Recommendations for a really violent stand-alone sci-fi novel? Just gory, not part of a series and hopefully halfway decent are my only criteria.

>>15661292
I have only liked three LitRPG's.
The Wandering Inn
The Gilded Hero
Worth the candle

>>15671113
they're short novellas you can read in a day

>ADA PALMER - Perhaps the Stars
where is it lads

I wanna fuck my cousin. Any sff books with cousin fucking in detail other than GURM?

>>15670865
>literary sci-fi and fantasy
Wrong buddy. It's genre fiction. We actually read here, we aren't pretentious cunts like outer lit.

>>15671151
>I have only liked three LitRPG's.
>The Wandering Inn
You mean The Wandering plotline and wordcount

>>15651328
Picked this one up at B&N the other day after I put a Joe Abercrombie novel in the manga section. Thoughts Larry Correia?

>>15670086
>How can you stand the doormat always angry mc and faggot pandering over-and-undertones
The good thing about litrpg is that you never take it too seriously. It's like watching a Jackie Chan movie, you just follow the action and enjoy

>>15667596
Because they like drama and rape is drama.

Any fantasy books where the dragon is given a hug?

Best reading order for The Elric Saga?
I'd also like other reccomendations, stuff with lots of magic and dark stuff, that doesn't take itself super seriously.

>>15671407
Absolute garbage, bad fanfic-tier

>>15671407
He sucks, just outright bad writing
I'm not a picky reader either

>>15671407
i only really liked one of the monster hunter international books.
its the one about frankensteins monster working for the hunters.

>>15671113
I'm a dumbass, I meant a violent, standalone FANTASY novel, not sci-fi. So many violent fantasy books like the Black Company are part of a series

I started reading levitian wakes (expanse series)

Im a couple chapters into it. Should i Keep reading? It it good or waste of time? Havent read enough to know if i like it or not

>>15672803
It's ok but if you have watched the tv show then it is a waste of time.

>>15671113
The Burning Isle

So are there any good SFF podcasts out there?

>>15671407
>Larry Correia
He's one of the few fantasy authors who is very vocal about his disdain for the identity politic cliques who thrive in this genre, unfortunately his books don't really do anything for me.

>>15673453
Yeah almost like he's a dogshit author doing political pandering to try and boost his sales or something

>>15673487
You mean like NK Jemisin or Samantha Shannon do? Because they're worse writers than him but do the same exact shit. It's almost as if bad writers in general need a crutch to push themselves into the spotlight because their otherwise garbage writing certainly can't.

>>15673408
The Coode Street Podcast "featuring award-winning critics and editors Jonathan Strahan and Gary K. Wolfe" (and the Strahan-edited anthology Edge of Infinity, which I'm reading now, actually is pretty good, so far I've liked Rajaniemi's story the most.)

They started doing "10-minutes with" daily quarantine podcasts with SFF writers and other industry people three months ago, so when they featured one of my favorite authors that's when I found the podcast. It's good and I've gone through their back-catalog a little. They even have two nice episodes with Gene Wolfe (complete with a clarifying mention of the Pringles mythos), there's a nice list with all of the featured in the last ten years for easy searching.
The episode I found particularly interesting was ep 264 with Glen Cook and Steven Erikson.

I didn't even realize Apple was making a Foundation adaptation. The only thing giving me hope is that Jared Harris is playing Hari Seldon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgbPSA94Rqg

Do you have hope, /sffg/?

>>15673686
It looks great and Jared Harris is always a treat. Looks like they did a nice job with adapting Isaac "people talking in featureless rooms" Asimov.

>>15673686
Looks dreadful.

>>15673686
Who is going to play the mule?

>>15651733

Oh shit Perhaps the Stars came out?

>>15672292
>I'm a dumbass, I meant a violent, standalone FANTASY novel, not sci-fi. So many violent fantasy books like the Black Company are part of a series

Blood Meridian

Whats /sffg/s opnions on David Eddings?

>>15673987
i'm not sure it did
i can't find it

>>15674397
Generic. I mean I liked the Belgariad as a kid and it was one of my gateways into fantasy but it's about as generic as generic gets. I haven't read Malloreon but from what I've heard it's literally just a copy and paste of Belgariad

https://www.amazon.de/Perhaps-Stars-Terra-Ignota-English-ebook/dp/B07RM6BRW4/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=

>>15673987
>>15674552
https://www.amazon.de/Perhaps-Stars-Terra-Ignota-English-ebook/dp/B07RM6BRW4/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=

>>15674623
Why am I seeing her right nipple?

>>15674623
Pic related? Its always weird seeing these characters in my mind actually drawn by other people.

>come a across a few books that I potentially want to check out
>see what the general consensus is
>end up on goodreads
>98% of the review are by women who complain about the stupidest shit
What went wrong with Fantasy? If a book is bad then tell my why in terms of plot and character, not because "waaaah it's 2020 and a female lead having a MALE love interest is sexist and heteronormative". I refuse to believe these people are real.

>>15674749
That's just one the Japanese covers for the Belgariad. They do that sort of thing a lot of times for western books that they translate.

>>15674755

The poz train has no brakes

>>15674755
That’s why i read xianxia

>>15674804
>not going omega brain and reading chink novels with female leads exclusively.

>>15674623
the mallorean switches it up a bit in that it integrates a lot of the "bad guy" factions into a new struggle between good and bad. the basic setup is very similar though. light <---> dark with an adventurer party journeying to an inevitable confrontation, etc.

>>15674911
I’ve tried to read those but they are unbearable
Stay away from anything labelled “bl” too! Means gay!

>>15674755
That's why I read self published. The pandering hasn't infected it as much as the publishing house industry.

>>15674755
>go on review site where reviews are sorted by reviewer popularity
>read a few bad reviews at the top where tumblr girls write to their own audience
>conclude the entire genre is dead
you sound like a retard ngl

>>15675034
I mean the genre is pretty shit right now.

>>15674755
Gatekeepers. I've heard this personally from people in publishing, TV and movies. You need diversity pandering unless you're already somebody and sometimes even then.

Is the Cradle series any good?

Fuck E William Brown.
Fuck pay piggies.

>>15675259
It's fun, best attempt at a pure western xianxia/progression fantasy.
Also drastically shorter than the stuff it takes inspiration from so that's a gigantic plus because even the good ones start to drag over their thousands of chapters.

Not exactly deep or anything though, if you don't want to read about a pretty generic hero powering up over and over don't bother
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>>15675275
You still mad?

>>15675275
Are you the guy from the author's fan reddit who said he left negative reviews and low ratings on all his books?

>>15675259
It's basically a western take on chink novels. So basically it's boring because it doesn't have the unapologetic over the top shit that those chink novels do like sociopath protagonists with harems of 20+ girls.

>>15671512
Eragon

>>15671113
>>15672292
Battlemage

>>15673573
How woke are they?

>>15673686
Too many niggers

>>15674767
I don't understand why everyone thinks that Eddings is 'generic' he does fall for some common tropes but atleast it isn't a retread of LOTR with not-elves and not-dwarves. I always hear people talk about the Belgariad but not the Elenium which I like a lot more, also he does have some good ideas,
>Literally annoy a god so much to become his chosen people
>A god dying makes a world wide depression happen
>gods from different religions actually exist including that universe's big G God

>>15675259
Yes it’s the only chinkshit worth reading since it’s done by a western author. Bugmen can’t write for shit

>>15675106

Swanwick is still publishing and GRRM hasn't kicked the bucket yet

>>15671151
Damn, that looks neat, is it from a book or just a stand alone image?

>>15675811
It's from wandering inn see >>15671397 and >>15670189

>>15675275
Based

Why are we one page 7?

>>15673686
The only question you need to ask yourself is "Do I trust Apple to actually adapt Foundation?"

The answer should be obvious.

If anyone here writes sci-fi, please send me some of your work. I'd love to read some anon works, especially your short stories.

/sffg/, who should I make my MC's father?

>a sleezbag minor antagonist who the MC's best friend used to look up to before realizing he was a shitty role model he didn't want to emulate when someone started looking up to him
>the last human survivor of a dying world who helped convince the MC's non-human mentor to leave behind his dark lord and fight for his people's freedom, and who would later be killed by said dark lord and used to replace his own damaged body

>>15676863
*added note: in the second one, the MC's mother isn't actually his real mother. His real mother died in childbirth

>>15673686
It won't work. I just won't. The setting doesn't lend itself well to tv. The simply mini story arch of the first book, for example, needs to be show in such a grand of fashion that the amount of cgi would make in very odd looking or incredibly expensive.
Never mind the politics they will certainly push into it.

>>15676861
Too stupid to write anything, I will content myself in reading. So that my stupidity is contained withing mtge confines of my own mind.

>>15676926
There are LED screens interactive background that replaces green screens nowadays.

>>15668845
That's weird cause the first book of WoT is pretty different from all the ones that come after it. It's basically the setup for the rest of the series. You can tell the way he was writing it was sort of ad hoc, adding on more plot lines and characters as needed to bloat the story. You could reasonably trim down WoT to probably 2/3 it's full length just by getting rid of some of the side characters and their side plots that ultimately didn't matter. A more aggressive trimming could get it to 1/2 its length, maybe even 1/3 if you cut some of the main character scenes that ultimately didn't matter, but it'd probably feel bare bones at that point.


But as for Tad Williams, MSaT is hard for me to recommend cause it's ponderously slow and dated by modern genre conventions. If you're a fan of the 80s-era Tolkien-esque authors though, you'd enjoy it, but it sounds like it's not your bag. If you want to give Williams another chance, I'd recommend Shadowmarch. It starts slow, like all his books, but actually does pick up and is very rewarding. It's my favorite series by him.

>>15676980
It's pretty neat tech honestly, I can see it being a huge step up over green screen

ok guys. I'm back again, in need of a recommendation.
I'm burned out on the Vorkosigan saga, and want something different. So please no "If you really liked the Vorkosigan saga, then you'll love this." I'm tiiiiired of it. Throw me in another direction.

Here's my reading history so far:
Finished:
Dune**, Licanius Trilogy*, The First Law, The Broken Earth*, Memory Sorrow and Thorn*, The Wheel of Time**, Nightflyers*, Book of the Ancestor*, A Memory Called Empire*, The Curse of Chalion 1-3**, Penric's Demon*, Penric and the Shaman*, Penric's Mission*, The Library At Mount Char@

Ongoing:
Cradle(Will Wight)**, A Song of Ice and Fire**, The Elder Empire series, Vorkosigan Saga**

Skipping:
The Prince of Nothing, The Book of the New Sun, The Black Company, Malazan, The Song of the Shattered Sands@, Borne, The Mermaid's Tale(V.D.Valdron)@

*liked
**liked a lot
@disliked

>>15677120
Elder Empire is completed now. Go finish that.
Otherwise go read Powder Mage, A Cavern of Black Ice, Traitor’s Blade or The Heresy Within.

Rate my Smeagol/Gollum impression

https://voca.ro/6QQy3oLzsPB

>>15677419
It ain't winning any prizes.

>>15677514
I think I'm drunk sorry

>>15674397
I started with it back in the day, along with tamora pierce which I'm convinced every public library bought in bulk.

Series seemed kind of incoherent.

>>15675811
Art of the Bloodfeilds from wandering inn by Enuryn. He also draws other interesting locations like this dungeon entrance near the inn.

>>15677120
I don't know what vorkosigan is like but read farseer

>>15678211
>>15671151
It's people like you that are enabling wandering inn that is slowly helping to kill the book industry.

>>15676861
Just look at the critique threads on the board.

>>15676980
While that is great the problem is still inherently the same. I'ts not about necessarily putting about characters in fake environments, but ratter making those environments as grandiose and realistic as possible while keeping the budget down.
Assimov as never know for his reliance on character, his imagery and the grandiose aspect of his world is what pushed the story forwards and made it good. Without out it, his story would be nice but not great, and they wouldn't get the deserved love they have.
You can't just use random jungle to represent the fallen galactic sector that now has become a feudal space fearing civilization. It just wouldn't work.

A bunch of literal off topic threads is pushing us to page 4.
In less than 30 mins.

>>15678355
DESU the current house publishing industry needs to die off, and the self publisher will go on regardless.

No matter what, your favorite author will never be this cool.

Seriously tho, anyone else read Destroyermen?

>>15678492
Fuck publishing houses. I'm talking about the self pubbed market. They are allowing the author to stuff their books with bloat. The great thing about self published books is that they are compact. They didn't suffer the unnecessary bloat of a publishing house. Now enters wandering inn with a "paid by the chapter" work model, whose only two volumes on audible equals to over 100hours. Now tell me, how will other authors react when they see an unedited, bloated beyond belief book getting bought by idiotic masses? They will think that maybe that extra grand they spent on a proofreader isn't really needed. We already have low quality being posted self pubbed authors, that is slowly seeing professional editing. Wandering Inn fags will set the precedent that unedited shit books can sell and people will buy it.

Any thoughts on the Takeshi Kovacs (Altered Carbon) Series?
Thinking of starting it after I finish up my current read.

>>15678557
Absolutely, great noir and sci-fi.

>>15674755
That`s another reason i like litrpgs. They have none of that shit.

>>15678548
How do i find self published books?

>>15666365
this

>>15678652
>>15666365
Do I need to read all the other King books that are apart of the Dark Tower Extended Universe?
Like Carrie, and Pet Semetary?

>>15678660
You don't need to read any but there's degrees of how much each thing ties in. iirc the stand is the closest/most relevant one

You should read PS anyway tho

>>15678546
I liked it for a while, but it seemed like one of those series where it sold well so he had to subdivide his remaining story into an ever-increasing number of episodes. But it it wasn't a rage quit, I just drifted away from it. Might return at some point. In fact I would recommend people give it a shot, particularly if you like catgirls.

I don't read female authors

>>15678632
Particularly true of ones written by Russians

>>15678548
I agree to an extent, but the masses will always buy whatever shit is popular regardless of it's quality. That has been the case for decades already and if that is enough to make you drop the quality of your work you would have done so already.

>>15678647
Amazon kindle..??

>>15651360
Throne of Glass

>>15656053
Nevernight, it's something

>>15678491
That's what /lit/ is now sadly. It used to be a pretty slow board but now thanks to shitpost threads and tourists it's become significantly faster which means this general which has always been pretty easygoing in terms of speed is now constantly being pushed down.

I completed The Iron Dragon's Daughter and much of the book, especially the ending, made little to no sense.
For SOME reason, I am now reading Dragons of Babel which takes place in the same world.
I will post this in the next thread in the hopes that I can discuss science-fiction and fantasy literature in the science-fiction-and-fantasy general thread.

>>15678871
>Nevernight
By Jay Kristoff? how you like the fact that she doesn't get rammed and turns into a carpet muncher?

>>15679154
Well just report the fucking off topic threads. We did it years ago when pol tried to colonize us, and the philosofags were more of a nuisance than they are now. It's why /his/ was made.
But I guess the people that actually read are just giving up and leaving to discord or some shit. So the people that would report the off topic stuff is lessened, and the shitpost will gain a stronger foothold.
Next year time you will have newfags telling you that shitposts, philosophy and religion was always allowed.

>>15679268
That seems to be a trend these days.

What are your favorite fantasy novels in terms of villains? Who writes the best villains?

what do you read /sffg/?

>>15678548
>all of these words instead of saying
>publishing house bad
>wandering inn bad

>>15680349
>using DAZ gobbos for your cover

Some people just have no faith in their work.

>>15680223
coldfire trilogy

>>15678548
Self-pubs books are definitely more bloated overall. This is because the majority of them are in KU, which pays per page read, and have zero or poor editing. 99.9% of self-publishing is "unedited shit books" for poor people.

>>15678557
Trashy fun.

Wtf did i read?

Srsly the plot of the second half of the book is so fucking random
goes to buy a coat. gets challenged to a duel. needs to get a flower, because thats what he will fight in the duel (wtf?). woman will help him (and wants to fuck him apparently) gets on carriage to get flower. on the way gets into a carriage-race. carriage crashes into house. house burns down. finally get to garden for flower. meets another woman (she falls in love with him on the spot). finally the duel. gets stabbed with the flower, but doesnt die.

And it keeps going on and on. what kind of drugs was wolfe taking when he was writing this?

Also, why is the protag falling in love with EVERY woman he meets?

>>15673686
>violence is the last refuge of the incompetent
>makes the tv show an action series

I'd have words but Asimov already had. Too bad it's got Lee Pace and Jared Harris

>>15681228
>>15681228
>>15681228

>>15681054
It's called Mary Sue writing. Stay clear of Gene Wolf.