/lit/ - Literature

No, because I’m not a complete retard

>>15639379
Based OP

You're like a woman who takes the opinions and hobbies and thoughts of whoever her most recent boyfriend is

>>15639379
Yeah, only I had already freed myself of dogmas by the time I hit 20. Keep up

>>15639410
>he thinks he is free from dogma.
Sure sign if a dogmatic indivigual.

Anyone read this shit?

>>15639389
Don't worry you're still high ranking

>>15639408
So he's a good woman?

>>15639408
Yes, women are known for reading Plato and St Augustine.

>>15639424
I only accede to what appears to me at the moment to be the case, always with the understanding that that can be overturned as well. I live belieflessly.

>>15639426
Refuted by this.

>>15639436
Bummer.

>>15639433
Ot angers me how fucking stuoid and clueless you are. Clueless retards like you should not even be alive.

>>15639379

Everyone with half a brain develops some kind of spiritual belief in adulthood. The brainlets are the ones who always believed and the ones who always refused to.

>>15639379
lol. read Nietzsche The Antichrist 10 times, you will be cured.

>>15639379
Cringe larper

>>15639430
If it keeps me away from retarded cults I’d be more than happy to

If I am bald and fat with a tiny fucking chode can I be an atheist? I mean why the fuck would God create an ugly piece of shit like me if he was real???

>>15639379
>he was an atheist
>but now converted to the most retarded religion
the only respectable Abrahamic religions are Orthodox Judaism, followed by Hardline Islam.

>>15639474
By respectable I assume you mean ‘cancerous’

>>15639444
toasty rostie

>>15639501
stfu, christoid. go pick your trans gay son from sunday school. hopefully the priest haven't touched him.

>>15639435
Even that is a dogma.

>>15639379
No, OP. You were raised Christian, indoctrinated long before you had any critical faculties, questioned it for a while when you started learning shit and were feeling rebellious, and then snapped back to your comforting fairy tale because you can't break your early brainwashing. Meanwhile you rationalized it all to make yourself seem smarter than ever. Now you'll act Christian all your life, even smugly, and raise your kids the same way, even if you have no internal convictions left. Congratulations: you're every fucking theist alive, and nobody cares about your delusions.

>>15639436
Refuted by this.

>>15639379
I used to be atheist, then I realized at 20 that God exists. I have not converted to any religion though, and I don’t intend to.

>>15639567
Why not?

>>15639561
>an irrelevant cardinal that will soon retire among hundreds of globohomo cardinals
CHRISTENDOM IS SAVED! If there a one true church then it certainly isn't Catholicism, Vatican 2 should have taught you that.

>>15639473
>subjectively bad thing happen so god not real
the satisfaction of reaching a mountaintop lies not in how tall it is, but how difficult it was to reach.

>I feel drawn to it
Is there more of a non-reason to believe something?

>>15639598
>Vatican 2
>not the Reformation
>not the crisis of the 11th Century
>not the Arian Crisis

There's no more ignorant and foolish opinion than "Vatican 2 ruined the Catholic Church forever!!". Everyone who says it is completely ignorant of history.

>>15639379
>be agnostic 22 year old
>take philosophy of religion course
>we study Rudolf Otto’s idea of the holy
>atheist girl sitting in front row arguing with professor about every single thing in book
>professor easily refuting every single thing she says
>mind fucking blown
>realize I didn’t know what I didn’t know
>slowly start believing

>>15639598
Society of St. Pius X rejects Vatican 2: Electric Boogaloo as the farce it is

>>15639542
Wrong

Trump Tweet:

>First thing the anarchists did upon taking over Seattle was “BUILD A WALL”. See, I was ahead of our times!

What a time to be alive

>>15639569
I don’t feel it’s necessary. I don’t buy into Christianity and I haven’t delved into other religions too much yet. 21 right now.

>>15639445
People with full brains explore the existential questions in the realm of introspection and thinking instead of joining cults.

>>15639718
>Underestimating the evolutionary advantages of a strong community

Sounds kinda small brained, friend.

>>15639408
Are you criticizing someone for experiencing personal development due to reading? What's the point of reading if it doesn't change you at all? He went from having a probably immature view of theism to having a more complex view because he read. He put it in a simple way, and he might be overreacting to his reading but it's not conclusive from the post that that's the case.

Before I read I looked at the question of whether or not there was a God and whether or not there was anything supernatural from a very narrow perspective that was merely a product of my upbringing. Reading classic literature gave me a more nuanced view of the question and introduced me to a wealth of discussion and thought that I assumed did not exist. It didn't convert me or anything but I learned from it, and that's all this guy is saying. He's questioning his views more closely because he's reading. Reading without learning and changing as a person means you're either reading pulp or you're bad at reading and aren't introspective.

>>15639618
This is a stupid post, Vatican 2 is the easiest example in recent memory to show how useless and wrong the Catholic Church is.

>>15639379
yeah but then I read Kant, Heidegger and Wittgenstein

>>15639768
>>15639768
Thank you
I did not “convert” to Christianity. I’m not going to church or thumping bibles. I have simply learned that the philosophical arguments for god are much more high minded than I could have comprehended ten years ago, and the r/Atheism belief that Christians Are all stupid mongrels is just flat out wrong

>>15639786
Then what happened?

>>15639769
And yet we're still here, and we'll be here long after you, and your children, and their children, and THEIR children are dead and buried.

Peace be with you.

>>15639816
I became a sphere with a little
hole that lets the light come inside and as a sphere I can only look inwards

>grow up catholic
>the light of the father dims through teenage years
>read the book of mormon
>the father speaks to me by filling me with hope
>read the doctrine and covenants, pearl of great price
>the father tells me to study the lost wisdom suppressed by catholicism/orthodoxy
>look into dead sea scrolls, book of enoch, research the divine council
>Now I realize the truth and beauty of Joseph Smith and his teachings

>anyone else
I sure hope not for their own sake.

>>15639379
I only found Jesus in my 30s. I read Corinthians before anything else in the Bible, and was totally shocked how much sense it made, and how much it agreed with my personal philosophy. Kept on reading more, couldn't believe that it was describing the world around me. Came to the conclusion that every word of it is true. Been studying the Bible ever since. It speaks of that which was, is and is still to come. World events make sense now. All those banksters, elites, secret societies, etc. just do the direct opposite of it and display it in plain sight, pic rel. And just like the book says, follow Christ and get persecuted for it, for wishing others well, for being kind and sincere instead of vile and judgmental.

Repentance, accepting God's undeserved grace, that you may yet be saved by the blood shed by Jesus on that cross, is the most powerful, life changing thing anyone can ever experience. Nothing quite like being born again.

1 Corinthians 2:5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

>>15639823
>worthless jesuit scum is proud to be attached to this world
pottery

>>15639379
You are very impressionable and very easily swayed by the herd.

>>15639882
i guess we lucked out your schizo brain didn't find the quran first

>>15639620
based post

>>15639912
>full of incantations, evocations, and sorcery
the Quran is nothing more than yet another gnostic ancient mystery school teachings bullshit. Mystery Babylon.

>>15639828
So you became the Neoplatonic The One?

>>15639549
*tip*

>>15639966
please attempt to pretend you know what you are talking about
dont larp as a born again christcuck just to slide into some 80's d&d is satanic larp

>>15639912
Have you read both the Bible and the Quran? Or even looked at them? They are of a completely different nature. The Bible is like a collection of first-hand accounts and stories and legends written by various people from ancient times about different things. The Quran is like a Dungeons & Dragons lore fanfic. It literally begins with a magical incantation, which is then followed by a "this book is 100% true" disclaimer of the kind that you find in those kid's "scary stories" books. No comparison.

>>15639848
did you get a qt mormon wife

>>15639823
This

>>15639727
Some of you people act like there can't be community without some supernatural shit tying it together

>>15639549
>Nobody cares
>Writes entire paragraph
Nice try, Odysseus

>>15640017
Just because there can be in principle for you and me, doesn't mean it will work in practice for the 99-average-IQ population we live in. Let alone the 80-average-IQ population of the world.

>>15640003
The beginning of the Quran is just a prayer, dude. Unless you are willing to admit that all prayer is a "magical incantation"

>>15639823
What power or influence do you even have anymore?

>>15639997
Hold your tongue reprobate.

How does somebody know if Christianity is true

>>15639900
World created by God anon.
>>15639988
Does One has small hole

>>15640003
>Have you read both the Bible and the Quran?
yep
>They are of a completely different nature.
yep
>The Bible is like a collection of first-hand accounts and stories and legends written by various people from ancient times about different things
wrong, there is likely no first hand account of anything other than perhaps a third of the pauline epistles
>The Quran is like a Dungeons & Dragons lore fanfic. It literally begins with a magical incantation, which is then followed by a "this book is 100% true" disclaimer of the kind that you find in those kid's "scary stories" books. No comparison.
you're in no position to call anything in the quran magical when the gospels is just a shoddily stringed narrative about a sorcerer jew going around practicing magic

I can tell you haven't read the Qu'ran. I recommend next time you try to criticize it you focus more on something true, like how petty and personal it is compared to the Bible

>>15640009
no, but i already had a qt wife
the beauty of mormonism doesn't come from these sort of gains, it is just beautiful on its own

>>15640028
So what, the savages have to be scared with a magic show? I really think that community lines form along shared material goals, with the spiritual stuff being an afterthought

>>15640062
The only thing stranger than all the Catholic and Orthodox larpers here is that there are apparently Mormon larpers too

>>15640046
>World created by God
and corrupted by satan.

John 15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

>>15640076
mormonism has the strongest claims to revealed wisdom of any movement in the past couple hundred years
it preaches a message of genuine love, both in trying to proselytize and in their work of baptizing the dead to save forgotten souls
not to mention the love the father wants to give people, you aren't withheld salvation after death just because of your ignorance in life, there is no coercion with your soul the way most other christians preach
it doesn't deal with logical impossibilities, such as omnipotence/omniscience or ex nihilo creation
I could go on, but there is no truer Christian movement

>>15640045
brah, its 2020 AD. AD as in Anno Domini nostri Jesu Christi. In the yea of our Lord Jesus Christ. The Gregorian calendar starts off with His birth year.
>b-but what if Christ was just a prophet and not the Son of God
Then He wouldn't have been resurrected, and His body would have never left the cave that was being guarded 24/7.

>>15640032
You'd be surprised.

>>15640165
>christians are now saying current year

We all know Christianity will never recover the fatal blow it was dealt by the reformation. Moreover pic related has refuted the possibility of an eternal, interventionist god. Take the Mahayana pill and stop dreaming.

>>15640165
Shut up you dumb motherfucker, this isn't a good argument

>>15640195
Where does one start with Mahayana, assuming they have a decent overview of Vedism and the Pali canon?

>>15640165
How do you know he was resurrected? Could have been some made up shit someone decided to put in the bible

>>15640165
It is also the month of Juno and today is Thor's day. virgin Christians got the least important part of the calendar, the year whereas chad pagangs got everything else.

If this doesn't prove to you that there are abstract realities behind natural phenomena and that those are the gods of our ancestors then nothing will.

>>15640165
>bro, its Thursday, as in thor's day

>>15640195
Nagarjuna should have made a complete split with the Buddha, then Madhyamika would be based as fuck. But unfortunately no amount of based philosophy and metaphysics can make up for the moralfag that was the Buddha.
>tfw there will never be a religion of Madhyamika
feelsbadman

>>15640065
Yes. They're primates. They need an alpha male to follow. It can be a real person like a king or emperor, or more recently a dictator like Hitler or Mao. Or it can be a God in the sky.

>>15639379
you just became a christian because its trendy and counter cultural now in the trump era

>>15640221
Sometimes I think that all the gods ever imagined are real and at war with eachother

>>15640252
The real social structures of lesser primates are more complicated than this, and so are we

>>15640192
Read Revelation, so you can get to know what comes next.

>>15640207
You can cross reference the Bible with historical and current events. The prophecies have come true.
Also please refrain from adhoming me for no reason. It just shows you for what you really are, and only proves that Christians are being persecuted for the sake of maintaining a strict moral code and living according to the teachings of Christ.

>>15640221
>>15640224
>pagans
literally the religion of fallen angels

>>15639823
Muslims, jews and most other religions will still be here in hundreds of years. So what? It means nothing

>>15640143
>the truest Christian movement
>started 18 centuries after Christ
hmmmm

>>15639433
A good woman is hard to find.

>>15639434
I wish.

What makes me feel like there is a God is spiritual experiences, moments of feeling love & joy, hearing music of worship. Not metaphysical arguments

>>15639907
Better to be swayed by the greatest men in history than the corporate media

>>15639435
Do you smell your own farts?

>>15639379
no, i don't believe in deities based on what i'm currently reading

>>15639379
retard discovers agnosticism

>>15639528
weak

>>15640341
18 is a significant number

>>15640143
wait so in mormonism God isnt omnipotent. Lmao pagan tier

These threads are so embarrassing

>>15639379
You know, as much fun as I have had shitposting in this thread, why hasn't it been deleted yet? It's blatantly off-topic and doesn't even pretend to be about literature or philosophy. Why are our mods such lazy fucking faggots?

>>15639379
Religion is the ultimate redpill

>>15640811
>god didn't know where adam and eve were when they hid
>but he is omnipotent and omniscient
At least they're honest

>>15640838
What are you fucking talking about?
It’s about how literature and philosophy changed OP’s perspective on life.
Dilate

>>15640859
>that image
ohnono

>>15640310
you sure? religions are like communism, religion is informational lockdown, and internet breaks the borders, breaks the walls. process of integration just started.

>>15639790
christians are indeed stupid faggots. first, they believe in satan, to outsource responsibility, second they actually believe that they believe that they believe that they believe, they cannot prove that they actually believe and believe properly. the "believe in" is absolute schizophrenia, an informational parasite, garbage, noise.

>>15640915
whats wrong with it?

>>15639408
THIS!

>>15639379
I know the feeling, when it comes to this and most religions that have surivived you will find no smoking gun that disproves them and that likewise intelligent people are not limited to one religion or ideology (just like stupid people)

I also know that atheism due to its age does not have as developed a canon philosophically - although those books do exist- and can consequently appear to be philosophically valid.

Just a word of advice don’t be too hasty in making religious commitments and don’t be suprised if philosophy doesn’t give you the certainty you desire

>>15640009
Fundamentalist Mormonism is based because it's polygamy for white people.

>>15639379
You’re just coping and can’t handle the truth of atheism.

>>15639379
No, I studied STEM.

>>15641272
imagine writing this post

>>15641808
Of most of the intelligent people I know, there seems to be a fairly even spread between religious, atheist, and agnostic.
I think all of them realize each side has truth to it and that the debate is far from settled.

>>15639408
lit BTFO

>>15642074
Which is something that is unfortunate given just how high the stakes are in these matters when things like eternal torture are factored in

>>15640870
God didn’t literally not know where Adam and Eve were hiding, He called to them because they were hiding and they had never hid from Him before.

Is this what Mormons consider proof of their shitty fanfic dogma?

What novel arguments can win over someone that is atheist for reasons?

I've always been of the opinion that I, or someone that thinks enough like me, perceives the world similar to how I do
Could easily end up being a heavily religious person if I was raised in that custom, and only exposed to that custom

But in modern world, growing up and being exposed to more and more information
I can't imagine how I could stay religious
I don't mean specifically atheist dogma, or fancy big bang science, etc.
But the tiniest idea of there being other religions than my own, that believe themselves to be true, not allowing for both
Given time, I think this would make anyone like me an atheist
More books and learning would only hasten that process

So from my mindset, I honestly can't believe how books -human words, could convert someone that claimed to be in the atheist camp to religion
It a one-way trip, as I see it

Johnny Cash crying out to Jesus in those last songs he recorded before his death did more to convert me than any piece of literature

>>15642239
>God: "Where are you?"
you need to quit your cope

>>15639620
greentext their conversation

>>15639434
did you see word "like"? moron, you need not to be here, you need take strong meds and go back to school, or better back to vagina, to start all over from scratch. you don't want to understand people, you toxic scum.

>Needing book to "Whoala!"

Truly the sub 125IQ way

>>15639379
>be Christian during my teen years
>start reading the bible and works of catholic apologetics
>hmmm this seems odd, why do these proofs for divinity have holes in them
>study European history and other world religions
>brain is processing things I've never really considered before
>visit the vatican as a freshman in college
>holy shit, why do I actually believe in this stuff?
not trying to counter OP, actually happened

Religion is more or less a different language. When someone doesn't understand the real meaning of the words they spread bad ideas with obvious holes. If you cant explain your religious ideas in a consistent logically sound way then you are going back into the dark.
Read some Spinoza, Taoist, Hindu and Buddhist philosophy if you want a full picture outside of the limited view of western philosophy.

>>15643625
>catholic/vaticunt
>christian
pick only one

Reading the bible made me realize I am not nor could ever be a Christian.
Reading the Lotus Sutra made me realize this is like Christianity but better in every single way.

>>15643775
>holy fuck, all those theological philosophers that I learned about in my catholic high school courses might have been right!
did you miss this part of OP?

>>15643798
Catholics would only ever teach you propaganda and push you away from the truth of scripture.

>>15643798
why do you think those philosophers were not stupid faggots? yes, they could be smarter than regular population, very stupid faggots, but still stupid and still faggots. ah, of course, they said so and wikipedia said so.

>>15639379
>>hmm maybe it’s more complicated, how could I have been so foolish to think I KNOW there is no god?

This is what gives you away as a larper, in case you want to try this thread again in the future. No actual atheist ever says they know for sure no god exists, only that there isn't any good reason to start believing in one

p.s. it's very pathetic and insecure that you'd play this sort of game

>>15639768
Good post. Keep in mind that everyone here is bitter and retarded. Their minds are like hardened cement.

>>15643824
split wood, I am there (C)

>>15643822
>No actual atheist ever says they know for sure no god exists
le not a true athiest
lmao what a joke

Interesting thoughts OP! I'm just left with one question: Suppose for a minute there's a group traveling about your area, led by a charismatic speaker who claims the world is ending soon. He promises he alone can save you, but only if you sell your belongings, devote the rest of your life to him, and cut off family members who try to stop you.

He may also want to change your name, assign you a new identity, advises you to leave your home/job if necessary to follow him, and says that if you don’t love him more than your own family then you’re not worthy of him. His followers wrote a book about him in which he performs many miraculous feats, but no contemporaneous outside source corroborates their claims. What sort of group is that?

>>15643833
>He may also want to change your name, assign you a new identity, advises you to leave your home/job if necessary to follow him, and says that if you don’t love him more than your own family then you’re not worthy of him
Jim Jones?

>>15643832

No, that's basically gatekeeping. Saying somebody does not possess all the bonafides which qualify them to say they belong to this group or that group. What I'm pointing out is a shibboleth, a word or turn of a phrase unique to a specific group such that you can identify them by their use of it even when they conceal their identity. In this case, it's only Christians/Muslims/Mormons/JWs/etc who characterize atheists as presuming to know for certain that no gods exist.

>>15643839
The fedoras, athiest forum dwellers, youtube comment section warriors etc who claim with certainty there is no god are not actual athiests just larpers. Understood.

>>15643815
based

>>15643847

Show me some examples.

>>15643833
based one. the charismatic guy actually teaches how to be charismatic, what is the source of charisma, how faggots suppress charisma which is natural to every child until those faggots start socialize him by fear and guilt and shame, and do it do control this child because they "love" him.

it is parents who are true enemy of freedom and responsibility and experience. why modern girls are so toxic? DADDYs little princess.

>>15643860

>>15643860
We must kill our parents, then! The charismatic guy says so!

>>15639379
Why would reading Greek philosophy convince you to become a Christian? Based troll post.

>>15643876
in 50 years it will not be a joke.

>>15643865
you will understand when your parents die. They are mortal as Jesus, and may die even tomorrow, and all life will taste differently, and the taste will be original, natural.

>>15643909
Everything is "natural" and "original". What you have said is meaningless.
Stop simpin for words bro

>>15643915
your autism also

>>15639408
lmfao OP decimated

>>15639379
The best argument for the existence of God is a circular one. The only dumb positions on God's existence are absolutist ones in both directions. Atheism is stupid because it precludes the existence of things we cannot currently prove, which is antithetical to the scientific basis they pretend to operate under. What is science, after all, without something to discover? The mindset of atheism extended implies a state of science where there cannot be any more discoveries and everything is settled, which is just dumb. On the other side of the coin you have the scripturists, for whom the existence of God is not only proven by a bunch of dusty tomes written literal millennia ago, but that he appears precisely as depicted. My own personal opinion is that the existence of some kind of God is likely, but that the entire retarded debate gets bogged down in abstractions of the concept. If God created all and knows all, I must be a subset of him, and that makes me part of him. If there is no distinction between myself and God, then there must be no distinction between God and anyone or anything at all, which means God is everything within the four dimensions we can objectively observe. Since he also created time, he must be something that exists outside of it. If he takes a conscious form rather than just being an abstraction from, well, "everything," then he's some kind of entity further removed from us than we are from amoebas.

>>15643982
The best argument for the existence of God is YOU, idiot. Look in the mirror. What do you see? Molecules? Tissues? WHO SEES ? Who is experiencing? Infinite idiots.

>>15643993
I don't know why you felt like that was a relevant response to make to my post.

>>15639882
yes because girl, water and an animal all in one photo must mean the anti christ will arrive at chase bank in in LA

seriously that is like a facebook boomer meme

>>15643833
There is no precedence on what he says or does. Jews were expecting Jesus to come and he fulfilled the prophecies.

>>15643982
You're conflating Creator with creature.

>>15644158
stupid faggots cannot know. that's why they are stupid. and don't even try. that's why they are faggots. their moms told them that they are good and smart and they stopped their development.

>>15644423
>girl water animal = biblical symbolism
yes.

>>15644423

>>15639408
>I dont like your opinion
>I will diminish your personhood to devalue it

Get some sleep. Youre too miserable.

>>15639379

>>15639473
He didnt make you to be unloved; that is the point.

Smol pp, baldfat, all that, is not the important part.

If you're suspending enough disbelief to imagine a God, imagine a Satan. He put death on the menu for you; all that physical imperfection you see are fractions of death.

>>15639528
Make a better shitpost. You're in /lit/.

>>15639549
His conversion infuriates you the same way apostates of islam make muslims seethe inside, and for the same reason.

He represents your suspicion that you might be wrong and fucked, but you have no way to attack him or confront your own existential anxiety.

Just by existing, apostates to atheism mock your world as false, and you with it. For some reason you dont have enough confidence to just let him be happy in his delusion; you must shit on his experience, just as he has shat on your windscreen.

>>15640195
>We all know

Samsara

>>15640368
...you mean you hold your breath when you fart?

Da fuq

>>15645074
... I know you kill people.

>>15644458
jews wrote so. lol

Okay, how about a dumb analogy?

If you were taught maths to the point you truly grasped; one plus one equals two. And why that is so.

Could someone teaching you further maths convince you to believe it not to be so?
That one and one, in fact equals three.

My point is, that if you could be so convinced, you probably didn't understand maths in the first place.

>>15645305
Don't know what you're talking about.

>>15639718
>People with full brains explore the existential questions in the realm of introspection and thinking instead of joining cults.
False dichotomy, brainlet. The entire purpose of the five daily prayers is to reflect, meditate, and ponder over existence and the divine. You get better tools to help you explore these questions through religion, if you try to make up your own answers you will just get lost like all the modern "New Age" morons.

>>15639379
You do know you can be open to the idea of a god without being religious right? there is no reason to be christian just cause you think god might exist. There is no reason to believe in the god of any religion, most likely the real god has nothing to do with them.

Being agnostic makes the most sense, we DO NOT KNOW if there is a god or not and if there is there's no reason to think it's the Christian god.

I was an atheist when i was a teen. Then i became agnostic at around 18. I'm still agnostic and do not abscribe to any religion, though now i think the concept of God is inseparable to the human experience. God for me can be anything and i think we have to change our definition of it to truly embrace it. Even Science can be your god. Denying the theological god is misguided.

>>15645502
to me god is just another word for the universe

And as part of the universe we are all it, if we created an A.I that was of the maximum amount of intellect you could make then this A.I would be equivalent to god's intelligence

>>15645481
Eh,, Christian's God is self-defeating if they ever care to commit enough to lay out some strict claims and definitions
That why it's all kind of vague now, Bible is supposed to be interpreted metaphorically, evil isn't evil

>>15645481
That's the coward take. If God is Love, then he is just. If God is just, then he made himself be known to us by revelation.

>>15639379
Read Kierkegaard

These semantics are so fucking dumb!
At some point the word 'atheist' was conflated to include one who claims perfect knowledge of all things to rule out the possibility of some things.
So by those standards, obviously no rational human can be an "atheist", good job!

Just have a word-filter replace every instance of 'atheist' with 'highly sceptical agnostic' or something, or you are just going to perform this same pointless tongue exercise at every discussion of this topic.

>>15645556
Then perhaps God allows you to know itself in your own personal way and all religions are getting at the truth but they are not the "proper" truth, this doesn't matter because god loves you and doesn't care how you see him/it as long it helps you

"The Tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao. The name that can be named is not the eternal name"

>>15645550
Perhaps. For me God is the opposite objectivity to our innate human subjectivity. The representation of our pure abstract mind which is supposedly always reasonable and never distrubed by our material and biological implications. That's how i think is the fundamental idea of every culture that creates a God or gods for themselves. So in a way, the A.l could represent this perfectness, but i think it would have to be completely independet of human perception. I don't know if that is possible.

>>15639379
Stop baiting with this thread you insufferable faggot

Imagine the pinnacle of arguments formed by you most praised intellectuals to be something like this:
God is perfect.
I can imagine something perfect, and even more perfecter
Existence is a property included in perfection, Therefore; God must exist

>>15645582
God is Truth, so he is objective. Going according to his will is doing good because he is Good. So doing good is going according to truth. We, as imperfect beings, are incapable of reaching real Truth by our own, so revelation is necessary.

>>15645550
The problem with that is that it implies God does evil. So in that context good doesn't even exist. It also implies God is imperfect.

>>15639408
owned

>>15639549
Ooh, angsty!

>>15640054
>shoddily stringed narrative about a sorcerer jew going around practicing magic
Sounds like you're not equipped to criticize a Clifford the Big Red Dog book.

>>15640364
Gota love these cheap dualisms that all thought on 4chan always moves within. Christianity = great men of history and Atheism = corporate media. Oh gee wizz I sure don't want to be swayed by the corporate media! I want to day dream about how I too could be one of the great men of history! Maybe Augustine senpai will finally notice me!

>>15643833
Despite the falsehoods of some of your examples, it would probably depend on if the person was the Logos incarnate or not. You'll likely be presented with many opportunities in your life to accept it or not. Choice is yours thanks to God given free will. Good luck, friend!

>>15645842
Notice how the tactics used 19 times out of 20 are character assassination and strawmanning. Literally all they have are insults.