/lit/ - Literature

funny how every latino i know doesn't give a shit about bolaño not it pretends to.

>>15615989
>Contemporary

>>15615989
Do the recognitions and Ulysses really count as modern? They're like 60 and almost 100 years old respectively, not really sure I'd call that modern.

>>15616042
Modern literature is all literature written after the earthquake in Lissabon. And yes, OP is a retarded.

>>15616169
*Lisbon in english apparently

>>15616014
I don't quite understand you, but a number of Mexican academics I've talked to love the guy. That said, 2666 is arguably more informed by American artists than anything else

>forgetting the precursor of it all

>>15615989
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hysterical_realism

>>15616307
Undeniably the highest IQ style of literature.

>>15616241

Replace the woman book with The Kindly Ones

>>15616323
What the flying fuck is that?

>>15616042
Do IJ and You Bright count as masterpieces?

any way of getting a copy of women and men without shelling out over 100 bucks?

>>15616448
Why wouldn't they?

>>15616485
https://www.dzancbooks.org/our-books/women-and-men

>>15615989
>everything after the first three

>>15615989
Behead All Satans

>>15616181
germanoid revealed himself unfortunately.

>>15617250
Based and stackpilled.

>>15617250

oh wow. thanks. didn't know that was available.

>>15616014
spics dont read

>>15617250
Do they deliver to the UK? Also, I can't see anything about delivery costs?

I've read tons of older literature but never any of the modern memes. Why should I read anyhting on that chart?

>>15615989
You got this confused with the “Desperately Needed an Editor” Chart. Also lmfao file name you’re a retard.

>>15617506
True.
t. Spic

>>15617250
>Doesn’t have UK edition of Gravity’s Rainbow

Anon....

An honorable mention

>>15616014
As a latinamerican (from a country which most outsiders either dispise or dismiss), even the most "literate" people I have met in my life mostly limit themselves to best-seller books, young-adult fiction and popular philosophy. So their consume tendency doesn't really reflect the true quality of the overall latinamerican literary scene.

P.D: Excuse my english, I'm not used to write in it.

>>15617690
seems a similar problem to the one yanks have, they're totally uncultured by virtue of being a recent colony

>>15617690

Your English is great. Don't worry bro.

>>15617690
*I'm not used to WRITING in it

>>15617690
Cual país?

>>15617782
Thanks.

>>15617788
Honduras.

>>15616014
tas loco we

>>15617798
Que Dios te proteja. I hope you're not in San Pedro Sula or Tegucigalpa. Keep yourself safe anon.

>>15617250
>Avon mass-market Recognitions.
looks comfy, anon.

>>15618524
Trust me, it is.

Worthless list.
Musil - The Man Without Qualities
Broch - The Sleepwalkers
Döblin - Berlin Alexanderplatz
Joyce - Ulysses
Proust - In Search Of Lost Time
Gobrowicz - Ferdydurke
Kafka - Amerika
Cortazar - Hopskotch
Faulkner - The Sound and the Fury

>>15619419
One does not belong.

>>15619433
Faulkner could also well be replaced by Hasek's The Good Soldier Svejk, but I feel Faulkner is very important for 20th century lit and should be included.

>>15619419
>No Pynchon
Low tier b*it.

>>15619455
You rate Svejk so highly? Have a copy but haven't read it yet.

>no Selfie, Suicide

Shit list

>>15619492
Yes, I feel its humour hearkens to the Rabelais / Cervantes days while the themes and absurdity closely resemble those in Kafka and Musil. It is very much a European novel but feels very fresh in how it blends the grotesque and banal with the modern. If you haven't read Rabelais and Cervantes before it, I'd recommend doing so before starting Svejk. It is easily the funniest book I have read.

>>15619455
I was talking about Kafka.

>>15615989
Liveblog is a feast

>>15619915
Based.

>>15619907
Could have been The Castle or The Trial instead of Amerika as well. Don't you like Kafka? It is very hard to argue that he hasn't been one of, if not the most influential writer of the early 20th century.

>>15615989
This is the worst list on /lit/ desu

>>15619419
>tr*nslations
absolument dégoûtant

>>15619419

> includes Kafka's worst of his main three.
> includes Ulysses instead of FW
>Cortazar LOL
> no Beckett prose on the list

you are a fucking joke

>>15616215
I saw a conference about Bolano's influences, and they were arguing that american artists were not that influential. Bolano had read little american literature (in comparison with the rest of his reading) and I don't think he ever went to north America. In general, the "myth" for his generation of writers was Europe, and if you look at his travels, that's where he went. His main inspirations were mostly latin american authors and european authors. There is some influence from american pulp-fiction (mystery novels and PKD novels, which he kept in high regard, and possibly some Burroughs), but very little of "high" american literature, or what are usually regarded as classics in the US. On the other hand, some books are very much influenced by Borges (Nazi Literature in the Americas) and other latin-american authors. Most of the authors he quotes directly in his novels (and Bolano quotes lots of authors) are either latin american, or spanish, or italian, or french.
But I'm interested in knowing why the academics you've talked with think he's more informed by american artists. What where they saying? Who are Bolano's american influences?

>>15615989
>brothers karamazov
>brave new world
all you need for modern literature

>>15620387
>american artists were not that influential
Sounds about right regardless of context

And I really can't see how someone would read Nocturno de Chile, or even 2666 for example, and think that his main influences are anything but European and South American.

>Who are Bolano's american influences?
I can see him liking Hemingway, but that is about it, probably

>>15616014
Bolaño is probably the most popular "literary fiction" author post-Boom in Latin America. You are full of shit.

>>15616042
I personally wouldn't call Ulysses modern (maybe peak Modernism, with a capital M), but TR definitely belongs

>>15616042
Yes they are modern. Modern is not the same as contemporary.

>>15617506
Nobody reads, and in certain European or American cities where people are supposed to be more "cultured" they only reas pozzed shit so they might as well not be reading at all.

>>15620539
Though now I'm realIzing OP's picture is titled Contemporary Lit Essentials, so yeah he's retarded and a 100 year old novel certainly does not belong.

>>15616042
Ulysses is absolutely modern. Infinite Jest and Gravity's Rainbow aren't, however--they're post modern.

>>15620575
Isn't everything on here apart from Ulysses considered post-modern? Anyways what I meant was the gulf in time rather than a difference in style, most of the books on the chart are less than 40 years old, and Ulysses came out another 60 years before that, that's like 2 or 3 generations of difference, can't see that being called modern in a sense of time, although obviously it is modern in its style, I mean the whole movement it was a part of is called Modernism for fucks sake.

>>15620646
Probably, but I only felt confident categorizing the two novels. Anyway, "modern" is only a useful moniker for style. Why connect disparate, if concurrent, aesthetic movements?

>>15615989
Infinite Jest is postmodern

>>15615989
american trash

>No Kadare
>No Solstad
>No Yu Hua
>No Modiano
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>15615989
>Ulysses

get fucked, nobody actually likes that book. anyone who says they do is a massively pretentious tryhard

>>15617326
Finnish, mate

>>15620729
I love Modiano, but he's basically French Murakami. Comforting meme repetition

> Interesting street names
> I think this guy has some sort of illegal cashstream
> Everything was better when I was 19
> I've forgotten what her name was

>>15621416
Modiano is superior to Murakami because of the strength of the atmosphere of mystery he evokes, and the way he explores the concept of memory. His works are a bit hit or miss though, so I understand where you are coming from.
Murakami is still better than almost everyone on that garbage chart

>>15620754
Filtered.

>>15616393
This

>>15621737
Indeed. Hating Joyce is like liking Pynchon.

>>15617590
Bumping this.

For me, it's Invisible Man by Ralph Ellison and Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance by Robert Pirsig.

>>15622007
Quick rundown on Invisible Man?

>>15619419
I read In Search of Lost Time recently and it was a huge waste of time. Apart from a few funny bits having to do with homosexuality there's nothing in those volumes that was worth writing down.

>>15622046
Black man tries to get by in a world where his smarts don't mean shit and everyone wants to use him for their own ends.

>>15616241
>epitaph of a small winner
Is this translation as bad as its title?

>>15622087
Yes.

>>15622084
How is that different from Get Out?

>>15615989
>>15617250
Someone redpill me on 2666

>>15622244
I don't know what that is.

>>15622267
Based.

>>15617690
English is fine friend, just that consume tendency isn't really the way you would put it, maybe consumer patterns or something like that, and as the other anon said, writing in it instead of write in it. Keep at it!

>>15620729

> asks plebs on same tier as King, Pamuk, Murakami
> wonders why he's retarded

>>15622267
A Jordan Peele bestseller movie. Absolute kino.

>>15620387
>cites poe and carver as among the best writers ever
>no no no he totally wasnt influenced by amerimutts!
Absolute state of spics

>>15622834
Poe is among the best writers ever, though.

>>15616393
Only if we can replace you with a woman

>>15622046
A journey from humble southern roots to big city in the north, a guy comes in contact with several cartoonish surreal characters and situations. As amusing as it is informative about the American spirit. Vague and humorous fun with a touch of sadness

>butterfly sprays her unfunny boomer inanity all over a thread yet again

>>15623430
>her

>>15623161
I am saying it is retarded to claim Bolanos was not influenced by Americans when he esteemed both Poe and Carver highly over any other writer he could mention. You need to improve your reading comprehension before you post summerfag.

There's nothing wrong with Butterfly.

>>15620528
wrong, not even that popular in Chile

>>15617250
so is bright and risen angels for real? I started listening to Europe Central as an audiobook because I thought it was some plot-driven war novel, but I realised it was really a real book after about ten seconds.

>>15622051
>book about not waisting time by being elevated by art
waste of time, based lmao

>>15622701
kys

>>15624316
Filtered.

replace the last three with:
JR, The Sot-Weed Factory, and Chromos

Anyone read this? How is it?

>>15617690
I feel like central america and the bolivarian states have such great lit from the 40s-70s that everyone should be an agrarian lit snob.

>>15617798
god bless

>>15624417
Thoughts on Lost in the Funhouse?

>>15617839
>>15617798
Someone rec me a book discussing the problems in modern honduras

>>15624417
>Sot-Weed Factory

>>15624489

>>15624417
this but Giles Goat-Boy, and replace Chromos with Lookout Cartridge
>>15624494
it's just Factor, not factory.

>>15624551
What makes you prefer Lookout Cartridge to Women and Men?

>>15615989
So basically books tryhards read a few pages of and pretend they've read in full for /lit/ cred?

>>15624880
Yes.

>>15616014
ikr. it should be
paradiso
adán buenosayres
los sorias
la tejedora de coronas
yo el supremo
crónica de la intervención
noticias del imperio
terra nostra
conversación en la catedral

>>15617798
Catracho de mierda.
Ah, esto no es /Pol/, una disculpa.

Anglos wank to this:
>>15615989
We the spics DO read. El Libro Vaquero, but we read.
You forgot Javier Marías and the Three Novels by Beckett.

>>15625084
Waiting for Godot > Trilogy

>>15617798
I'm also a honduran and I've encountered a very similar issue, however I come from an old blood family and have, therefore, had the blessing of rubbing shoulders with genuine literati. A friend of my father's, a bank owner, has a two storey grand neoclassical library in his house - filled to the brim with hispanic, english and french texts. It's impressive in Honduras and anywhere else.
However effectively no young person is truly submerged in literature. It's due to many things, from our weak national tradition, to our heavily americanised society, to our basically inexistent identity as hispanics (that is, members of a wonderful linguistic sphere and legacy) to, of course, our pitiful material condition.

I, too, dream of a more literate Honduras. But given our situation as a nation, there are more eminent issues to address.

DFW is the ur-redditor

>>15615989
actually fucking kys jesus christ don't nobody has ever actually read this ducks book you're a shill somebody has paid you actually kys

>Thread about "modern" literature, everyone talking about mostly postmodern books.
This thread just show how stupid everyone on here is.

>>15626107
DFW is the most r*ddit repellent author on the list.

>>15626156
>The Recognitions
>The Tunnel

You don't know what you are talking about

>>15624440
It just came out. I doubt anyone has read it. Vollmann is based.

>>15624474
A postmodern classic

>>15624494
>>15624551
btfo summerfag

>>15624417
>>15624551
Who wrote Chromos?

>>15626168
I know that Infinite Jest is the anti-reddit novel.

>>15623180
god i wish

>>15615989
>no cien anos de soledad
>no magic mountain
>no ficciones
>no sound and the fury

>>15626171
I want to get it but I don't like hardbacks or the higher price... Might just get it anyway.

>>15620287
>Beckett
beckett is overlooked in these "modern classics" threads way too often. he's better than most.

>>15622051
>I read In Search of Lost Time recently and it was a huge waste of time
You're calling one of the greatest pieces of literature ever written a waste of time. Says oa lot about how stupid you are.

>>15626314
>You're calling one of the greatest pieces of literature ever written a waste of time.

>>15626193
felipe alfau

>>15626168
The Tunnel me feel sick to my stomach, I can't imagine how it would make a well-adjusted pearlclutcher feel (not saying that to sound edgy, but as a testament to the Gass Man's painting of such a grim life)
>>15626171
Give me a QRD on Vollmann, everything I've heard makes it sound like he's on the spectrum or something, but by skimming his Wiki page he also seems like a genius.

>>15626346
That wasn't a question.

>>15620539
Modern means contemporary in common language.

>>15626445
This but unironically.

>>15616042
Look at OP's file name

>>15619651
I've stopped halfway through Svejk and found it very morbid. There are for sure some funny parts, but the book reads for me more as a tragedy rather than a comedy. Funny enough, Kafka started to get praise in Czech Republic after a Kosik essay that compared Svejk with Kafka's oeuvre. I have a feeling that both authors have a similar type of humor but one got labeled as a pessimistic writer while Hasek got the humorous epithet.

>>15624089
wrong I'm chilean and all the readers I know like Bolaño

>>15626445
That’s cool. This is a literature board, which requires a specialized language in order to talk about said literature, so when you say “modern,” you absolute dingus, people are going to assume you are describing the historical-cultural shift out of the Enlightenment era and into the era of Modernity, such that things are made Modern as opposed to that of the older world, older values, older order. “Contemporary” roughly refers to the period after the war up through today, and most certainly is applicable by the time we get the massive cultural revolutions in the 60s. These are all basic literary/aesthetic/historical terms. You’re just a dumbass.

>>15626282
He’s a degenerate nihilist who bumbles in the face of the real problems.

>>15621636
which murakami? haruki or ryu?

>>15626381
He’s a good writer. I got exposed to him through his essays in Harper’s, and what I read in Last Stories was solid. A few anons have read European Central. He is very clearly in line the hyperproductive English journalist/novelists of the 18th and 19th centuries, which is respectable to pull off with the same gusto (I mean the dude went to actual radiated sites in Japan for his global warming book, and he’s smoked crack with prostitutes, slept in homeless camps, gone on solo exhibitions in the arctic, all to get first-hand experience) in the age of journalism degrees and massive corporate control over publishing. The dude broke through and I’m not super convinced we’ll see another of his breed in my lifetime. Idk if he holds up for every individual piece though.

the last part of 2666 — the part about archimboldi — is god tier literature

>>15626517
The relevant one.

>>15626539
This.

>>15616014
Pessoas's the best latino writer

Based 2666

>>15626510
>filtered

>>15624440
Lucky star is my all time favourite anime. Naturally, my expectations are sky high

>>15626510

> unironically filtered.

>>15627296
based

>>15615989
yeah 2666 is pretty good, and fine for young and new readers as well.

>Ducks, Newburyport
Wtf even is this book

>>15627464
npr: the book

>>15624474
it's shit

>>15615989
Masterpieces must be long and complex and obscure, thats the only measure that I use to evaluate whether something is an absolute pinnacle of literature.

>>15627464
The modern day Ulysses.

>>15627498
This but unironically.

>>15615989
>You Bright and Risen Angels
>not Europe Central
Discarded, this list is shit.

>>15627590
This.

>>15626314
Can you, in your own words, explain why I should like it just because other people like it?

>>15627572
What about Will Self's trilogy (Umbrella, Shark, Phone)?

>>15615989
>No beckett
dropped

>>15615989
>modern literature
You do know only one of those works can be considered part of the modernist movement, right?

>>15624474
pretty fun breezy novel desu. Its good tho

>>15616485
You could luck out and find it for $1.00 instead.

>>15616014
South americans don't read.
T. South american

>>15628233
Here, fixed it for you:
>Americans don't read

>>15622018
One of the worst endings I ever read, possibly the worst. Enjoyable otherwise, but nothing great.

>>15627464
A manifesto against Trump's America

>>15628546
You wish.

>>15617690
>excuse my english
>english
It's "English" you spic

>>15628671
It's Spaniard, you racist.

>>15628713
Dios mios! I forgot it’s mudslinging hour down in spic country rn. Hide before the anons start beating the Borges bible and quoting French poets.

>>15617690
>(from a country which most outsiders either dispise or dismiss)
that's all of them

>>15628297
Americans are some of the most fervent readers in the world.

>>15629786
Maybe, but all they read is YA shit and self help

>>15629915
Nothing wrong with self-help books.

>>15629949
https://www.amazon.com/%E5%AE%8C%E5%85%A8%E8%87%AA%E6%AE%BA%E3%83%9E%E3%83%8B%E3%83%A5%E3%82%A2%E3%83%AB/dp/4872331265