/lit/ - Literature

>According to the beliefs of the Nyingma school of Tibetan Buddhism, Beyul are hidden valleys often encompassing hundreds of square kilometers, which Padmasambhava blessed as refuges. Buddhist texts indicate beyul are discovered when the planet is approaching destruction and the world becomes too corrupt for spiritual practice.
The white man needs to find his beyul.

Woke theocracy. Rightists will start crying for the return of bland secular liberal democracy.

Either a total collapse or a some sort of neofascism.

>>15541523
I think things are going to chill out for a while. Those four racist cops were arrested and will probably go to jail, and most people are generally good and decent and want the best for each other, which will translate to higher trust in our government institutions.

Look at the Rodney King incident. That's all you need to know.

>>15541602
Nah. They got bumped up to 2nd degree murder, which will probably allow them to walk.
And this isn't going away. Over half of liberals have, over the last week, converted to a fanatical new woke religion that isn't going to die down anytime soon. We're getting Great Awakening levels of religious zeal from crowds of white people bowing down the the oppressed minorities. American conservatives have been pushed against the wall by the nonstop outrage, even boring neocons like Charlie Kirk and Candace Owens are dropping FBI crime statistics.

>>15541602
>most people are generally good and decent and want the best for each other

>>15541637
He's being charged with both second degree murder and third degree murder.

>>15541674
If they don't get him on second degree the other three cops walk, as you can't be an accessory to third degree murder.

>>15541523
Engelsian withering away of the state except within the legal constraints of a bourgeois republic (already happening with economic policy and urban policy for instance), politics subsumed by technique (in Ellulian sense), hyper-positivism, Nietzschean last man brought by resignation in the face of multitude of discourses with no escape and simultaneous inability to become an Ubermensch. in the best case scenario we're going to have some variant of Moldbugian cameralism

Probably only a requirement to wear body cams at all times and some meaningless oversight committee that no one will care about until the next violent incident.

That could probably change if BLM notices that minorities are disproportionately affected by coronavirus, which I'm sure they have, but ignore because of the lack of sensationalized violence or more likely because that would hurt corporate america's profits.

>>15541523
Socialism

>>15541580
>neofascism
>Dude, state centralized authoritarianism isn’t really capitalism.
You’ll do anything to keep those shekels flowing

>>15541670
Unless they’re degenerates, this is true.

>>15542039
Damn than I guess literally every society in history that tried out socialism was full of just degenerates. Huh. Explains much

>>15542039
>fascism is just authoritarianism
Ugghhhhh I hate burgers

>>15541602
>Four racist cops
Lmao

>>15542267
Go on. I can see you’re dying to tell us what “neofascism” is all about and how it’s better than the old fascism.

>>15542254
There’s a narrative of history that takes us through these stages. It’s nothing to get so buttsore over
Here. This might help you understand
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=basedjL9rZyR0

>>15542325
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=basedjL9rZyR0

>>15541523
>So what's the next step?
Anarchism, the only ideology that legit hasn't been tried yet. Read Kropotkin and Bakunin

>>15542325
Ted Talks don’t want to be shared?
Copy paste or search Eric X. Li: A tale of two political systems

>>15542339
Based and breadpilled

>>15542339
And James Herod
https://www.jamesherod.info/Getting_Free.pdf

>>15542339
>anarchy has never been tried
what

>>15542325
Yeah please shut the fuck up. I wasted my life studying history and there was nothing more insufferable than dilettante socialists lecturing me on their theory all encompassing theory of history. And the other guy ridiculing you on your understanding of fascism has nothing to with pushing their neo fascist ideology, he's making fun of your childish understanding of fascism common with most Americans in which their impression of it is a big bully evil guy who has all the power. Everything that isn't humanist liberalist democracy and extreme left Marxism is fascist to them

>>15542369
Anarchism.
Hasn’t taken enough root to become a worldwide thing yet. But it has mushroomed up in various times and places and it works well enough. Would work perfectly if not for imperialists and their bootlickers

>>15542039
>Unless they’re degenerates, this is true.
duhhhh degenewates

>>15542381
One aspect of fascism is authoritarianism. That’s ot childish, that’s brief.
>I’m a history scholar
I don’t care. Socialism is just a word applied to various projects to make good on the revolutionary project. The goal being “communism” or “anarchism” but whatever, it’s a hoped for step people thought up. What a diploma waving droog thinks of it doesn’t really matter to me.

>>15542400
A malcontent sociopath os a degenerate human.

>>15542488
lol you're an idiot

>>15542496
*pats your pointy head*

>>15542388
Most likely outcome is a cyberpunk dystopia

>>15541523
Well, if you're familiar with Deneen, you should know the answer: right wing dictatorship, authoritarian liberalism, or illiberal democracy. I would guess we're going into a period of authoritarian liberalism followed by a period of extreme chaos and violence, and then the emergence of a right wing dictatorship.

>>15542381
nobody fucking cares about the intercomplexities of your faggot-as-in-literally-bundle-of-sticks-faggot ideology. "big bully evil guy (institution) who has all the power" perfectly describes fascism and nobody cares about the pertinence of german idealism or the metaphysics of italian fascism, nobody cares about your nigger historicism, nobody cares about your napoleon worship. shut the fuck up.

>>15543146
>butchering political theory is ok

>>15543146
>big bully evil guy (institution) who has all the power" perfectly describes fascism
Bro I found the fascists

>>15543146
>big bully evil guy (institution) who has all the power" perfectly describes fascism
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_monarchies
Damn those fascists have been everywhere

>>15543146
>big bully evil guy (institution) who has all the power" perfectly describes fascism
Damn these niggas did everything everybody a fascist why we hating on dem then

How long will it take Anglo conservatives to realize that free market liberalism is ultimately antithetical to their social beliefs?

>>15541569
Rightism survives exclusively off having liberals as a punching bag since they stand for so much shit that historically fails.
Both are just having a pissing contest.

>>15543146
Fascists are outta control we got to stop them if you're wearing glasses add me on twitter so we can get together and figure something out

>>15541602
kys

>>15542388
>Works well enough
Tell that to the Raped Nuns of Catalonia or The Arabs in Rojava who had their houses bulldozed by the Kurds

America is going to see junta style dictatorship. Eventually it will balkanize. Liberalism didn't "fail", about half the electorate is trying to outright subvert and destroy the founding population and any pretense at democratic political institutions. You can't have political liberty in that kind of context

I am expecting either we slide into a dirty war with RWDS or an unfathomably evil communist dictatorship. Either way the burger is getting cooked

>>15543284
Everything but liberalism and sharia law has failed

>>15541674
How do you get charged with both of those for one death?

>>15542325
Fascism isn't national socialism and natsoc isn't Voldemort née Palpatine.

>>15543146
Shut up fake butterfly.

>>15543307
Please actually read the book in the OP, you have a severe case of boomer brain rot.

>>15543235
yes correct. fascism is just monarchism but with gay politics

No joke, I translated this book recently.

>>15543473
Any approach that fails to take in account the consequences of multiracialism is only at best half true.

Ever since desegregation American politics has been dominated by sporadic black race riots. Jewish and degenerated white academics have been the enablers, and in turn have used their political clout to destablize the political system. Mass migration has only intensified the instabillity. You cannot have democracy beyond tokens in such a context

>>15543494
what language?

>>15543288
Propped up by the cia and defeated by the vietcong

>>15543529
Lithuanian.

>>15543278
left to their own devices people naturally segregate

>>15543519
Way to double down on making it clear you haven't read the book.

>>15543579
you didn't ask anything in the op implying I had to read your dogshit book. I probably won't now. Are you going to Read Chittum's Civil War II: The Coming Breakup Of America? Oh, why are you commenting?

>>15541602
based retard

>>15543519
>t. clearly hasn't read the book
At least go watch one of the lectures Deneen did.

>>15543489
>gay politics
In more way than one

>>15541933
I don't know what this means but it scares me

>>15542039
Where's your name namefag

>>15543146
Ahh there you are. Faggot.

>>15543593
The book is there since it's relevant for the development of Liberalism in America, but you have to have an IQ above room temperature to actually have read it.

>>15543037
Most likely outcome of capitalism, yes.

>>15543235
Monarchs and fascists fall under authoritarian and sometimes totalitarian. Every time I hear this bellyaching when fascism is used to describe an authoritarian or their bootlickers. Get over it. This isn’t a dissertation, its a cheap and fast conversation.

>>15543306
You mean those newly interred nuns, dug back up for a photo-op? The Catholic Church in Spain was well known for treating to poor inhumanely
The Kurds invite their Arab countrymen to fight alongside them. They are their neighbors. The Arabs they do shoot are ISIS

>>15543340
Yeah, it pretty much is. They weren’t socialist, ut they pretended to be. Hence their fanboys seething hatred of actual socialism.

>>15543637
Where’s yours?

>>15543657
>This isn’t a dissertation, its a cheap and fast conversation.
This is /lit/ faggot, if you want to butcher basic political theory, go over to /pol/.

>>15543657
>t. it's gonna work this time
Gradually I began to hate them.

>>15543650
history is largely racial. Alternative explanations evoking philosophic ideals simply fail.

>>15543657
>The Kurds invite their Arab countrymen to fight alongside them.
Disgusting K*rd lies detected

>>15543665
Anon, you’re from pol
And you like to talk shit about leftism and lump them all into being Tranny commies and radfem marxists. Stfu

>>15543685
>T*rk
<<— Go back

>>15543680
No one asked, do you have anything productive to say or are you just trying to say some gay redpilled shit that everyone on this site has heard 300000 times?

>>15543687
I'm a Stalinist but ok retard

>>15543703
I'm explaning why books like "why liberalism failed" probably have wrong priors. people are very good at self-deception, by contrast genetic predispositions are constants.

>>15543729
>probably have wrong priors
So you haven't read and are just spewing meme shit

>>15543710
Ahh!
Hahaha. Well there’s no way to prove it, but this does explain why your trouble with the term
You can’t accept uncle Joe being an authoritarian?
He’s an internationalist though. No specific state racism. Sort of an improvement from imperialism. Hmm?

>>15543737
You read Civil war II: the coming breakup of America yet?

>>15543740
Stalin was absolutely authoritarian, one of the primary things I admire about him, which is why it's important to understand authoritarianism and fascism as separate concepts. Him as an internationalist and anti-imperialist is much more complex, though I would lean towards the opposite being true.

>>15543747
The difference is I'm not making an argument against that book without knowing anything about it and the thread isn't about it. If you want to make an argument against something and for another thing, you need to understand the first thing.

>>15543801
this thread isn't about your book

>>15542339
It has been legit tried, and it gets destroyed in a matter of months most of the time

>>15543797
Fine. Though it’s hardly an admirable quality, I’d make the distinction when discussing the differences between fascists and leftwing dictatorships.
The opposite being true in that Stalin isn’t an improvement from czarist Russia?

>>15543843
>literally the OP picture
Do you need the thread to be titled "This is about x book"?

>>15543846
Years, and in some cases decades, thus far.
You don’t know anything about it though. So ask for a book rec or get the fuck out of the conversation

>>15543848
Stalinism was in many ways an improvement over Tsarism, but I do not think that it can really be considered anti-nationalist and anti-imperialist like Leninism. Stalin operated the Soviet Union like an empire and consistently maintained Russia as its core beneficiary. He also admired many old Russian Tsars like Peter the Great.

>>15542339
*blocks your path*

>>15541602
commendable bait, well done

>>15541523
Strauss, Heidegger, and Spengler all in their own way say the answer may be in the east. Strauss thinks this may be possible through noble lies and an eventual synthesis with the enduring nature of eastern philosophy. Heidegger thinks the east did not make the same mistake that those in the late ancients and then the moderns did. Lastly Spengler admits that the east will not be destroyed by its own technology and philosophy the same way we will be. He says we should not adapt however:
>We are born into this time and must bravely follow the path to the destined end. There is no other way. Our duty is to hold on to the lost position, without hope, without rescue, like that Roman soldier whose bones were found in front of a door in Pompeii, who, during the eruption of Vesuvius, died at his post because they forgot to relieve him. That is greatness. That is what it means to be a thoroughbred. The honourable end is the one thing that can not be taken from a man.

>>15543860
Not that poster but
>in some cases decades
Where? The only are places I can think of where it was actually put into practice is Catalonia, and Makhnovia.

>>15543911
Based and Duginpilled

>>15543888
Toilet paper

>>15543921
I will probably get flack from the tanky ITT for adopting them as a sort of anarchism, but they’re closer to the revolution than Lenin’s coup ever got

>>15543855
>So what's the next step?
Which I've told you, it's a latin-america style Junta. I'm 15 minutes into your academic's lecture and already it's apparent it was the ideologically inspired explanation I was warning about.

Most races do not have a democratic bone in their body. Classical liberalism is an invention of English anglo-saxons that was always solely their product derivative the nordic lineage. Mainland europe never practiced it. The true origins of european democracy date to the Icelandic peoples and this inclination was spread through viking admixture along coastal northwest europe. Even today Scandaniavian and anglo-saxon countries are among the most liberal in outlook. Degenerate liberalism is a product of dysgenics among north american protestants... one sees the beginning with the cohorts following sexual liberation in the 1960s. Cultural explaation is inadequate

>>15541933
>in the best case scenario we're going to have some variant of Moldbugian cameralism

based

>>15543955
Why haven't they been able to export it past a tiny backwards region?

>>15543963
>Which I've told you, it's a latin-america style Junta
Deneen literally says this is a likely possibility lmao
>Classical liberalism is an invention of English anglo-saxons
Deneen agrees with this entirely.
>Cultural explaation is inadequate
Why do Germans have a very anti-democratic history if they're so genetically similar? This is why race reductionism doesn't work, race can only be one part of a further analysis.

>>15544081
What, to your neighborhood? You do that. This anarchism, not fucking Alexandrian Greece

>>15544112
Germans aren't antidemocratic. For most of european history they were the most libertine and decentralized of states. The rise of Nazism was precipitated on support from eastern elements in Prussia. Prussia is at the junction between r1a and r1b haplogroups - slavic and european influences. The slavs have always been conservative, authoritarian and millitarist. These traits filtered into the german political environment- this division is why we saw the deep schmisms in german politics happen after unification. Again, you don't know what you're talking about

>>15544162
Then any revolution they achieved is temporary at best. They can and will be crushed by capitalist governments if they ever become an inconvenience.

>>15544185
Then why are the most legitimate democracies in Europe in the East? Ideological and cultural influences aren't something you can just write off by claiming it's all 100% genetic.

>>15543955
impossible to translate their experience to anywhere else. The mexican government simply decided to tolerate their existence instead of a massacre in order to keep some semblance of political stability in the country and avoid risking the recently signed NAFTA. Marcos himself admitted that the military knew about them at least a year before their uprising but for some reason decided to withhold any action.

>>15544233
Why?

>>15544242
they aren't. Slavic civilization is notorious for totalitarianism and corruption. the further east you get the worse it becomes

>>15544259
Poland and Hungary are probably the most democratic states in Europe, the will of the people is very clearly reflected in the governments there. Very much the opposite of Anglosphere countries.

>>15544255
The region they occupy is backwards, so outside powers presently would rather just put up with the mild inconvenience it may bring. If they ever posted a real threat, they would be crushed overnight by capitalists.

>>15544270
look at the corruption index. You might Idolize them for preventing racial replacement. They are not "white" in the european or democratic sense

>>15544300
>white
>democratic sense
Nigger what the fuck are you talking about? Do you think that Poland and Hungary aren't democratic states? What about Japan, another democratic state?

>>15544285
But why

>>15544336
>why would capitalist powers want to destroy a non-capitalist region which presently is unexploited
Jeez I have no clue why capitalists would want to expand their based of exploitation

>>15544319
These are racial distinctions r1b invented democracy. r1a did not. The classic situation in european history is the west drives ahead, but the east doesn't. Slavs can adopt our technology and institutions, they're just less adapted to them. Japanese "democracy" is a one party state. All east asian democracies are one-party states

>>15544369
Then why do Slavs have more democratic governments than Germanics? Could it be that there's another factor besides race at play?
>Japanese "democracy" is a one party state
Ah yes, as opposed to the wide variety of political options in electoral politics in the United States.

Anyone have that picture of the chess opening tiers?

>>15544381
The North American states are seeing salient race divides between white catholic migrants and the settler protestants. It manifests as the left-right divide, compounded by multiracialism.

The core problem in germany, as is across the west, is a ruling class that genetically doesn't have significant commonality with typical people. Protestant liberalism experienced dysgenics, and probably maldaptation due to technological change. Suicidal and maladaptive belief systems unsurprisingly result. It's like asking why American Indians today are criminal drug addicts and welfare scammers - originally they were highly conservative warrior peoples. Technological change destabilized the environment they adapted to and they ended up with degeneracy- it's all happening to whites right now as well. See coming apart by murray - growth of a permanent hereditary underclass

>>15544343
I mean, in the case of zapatistas, it already happened. the neoliberal mexican government of the 90's tried to crush the zapatista rebellion, eventually it eneden in stalemate and the zapatista communes still operate in a form of anarchism in southern mexico. I haven't been there but I know it's a constant struggle against capitalism, companies like coca cola, nestlé etc are constantly trying to capture resources from the jungle

>>15544412
>Protestant liberalism experienced dysgenics
You need a source for this, elites in the US have been incredibly eugenic over the last 50 years, being far more insular in mating resulting in less intermixing with the middle class. You talk about technological change undermines your racial determinism.

>>15544416
That's not what happened though see
.>>15544254

>>15544451
protestantism is the origin of progressive liberalism. It began earliest with the (based) temperance movement before bleeding into feminism and the more traditional topics we think of today. They called this proto-liberalism social gospel, it marked the transformation of religion into atheism among protestants. Onward comes the 60's and suddenly this defacto anglo racial group has lost religion, is now wandering around in a disinhibited haze and unsurprisingly made bad mating preferences thanks to free love. It is this dysgenic batch of children that grew into dysfunctional homes and lobbied for welfare interventions. The succeeding generations niched into the liberal middle class get even worse.

The actual american elite of course has proably experienced eugenics.It's just that the working class has conversely experienced dysgenics. Notice that the american working class largely consists of "white" migrants from areas peripheral to the european core of Britain-netherlands-france. These are the ethnic groups now pushing populism- most of the dissident right is either slavic or a peripheral peoples such as Irish or Italian. All racial dynamics

Technological change just means the ladder of cutoff for having functioning traits is constantly losing a rung. Many whites will fail to stay on this rung and die off or become a more menial race, others will succeed. These aren't timeless units

>>15544506
Whoa lad, where you getting all this "all politics is race" theory? And what's happened with the English lately if you're all right? Those English slags I've seen look pretty lost. How do you account for the genetic stratification between classes?

>>15544654
personality is heritable. Political orientation can be predicted based off this and various other genetic factors. It's quite intuitive once you start looking at the patterns in haplogroups and civilization.

I already mentioned what is happening with Anglosaxons. The protestant lineage seems to have decayed rapidly through dysgenics. I speculate it's the 60's, that's as far as I can say right now. There is obvious class-based stratification, the point is that each niche is more readily adopted to by various ethnic minorities or shapes comparatively different personality profiles. Later.

>>15544506
> Notice that the american working class largely consists of "white" migrants from areas peripheral to the european core of Britain-netherlands-france. These are the ethnic groups now pushing populism- most of the dissident right is either slavic or a peripheral peoples such as Irish or Italian. All racial dynamics

Uh, what?

>>15544722
One generation of free love didn't break the WASP. They already lost their place by letting the counter-culture happen, and a Catholic get elected, in the first place. The kids from that couldn't even vote until the 80s at the earliest. Maladaption due to technological change maybe.

And so what then, which genes are going to succeed, have enough births and not become Zimbabwe?

>>15544791
boomers are the ultimate culprit of everything happening right now, they initiated the counter culture just so they could live the easiest life in human history, doing drugs and fucking strangers while getting a borderline free education, and now they're complaining when the world they created is starting to collapse