/lit/ - Literature

>I've tried to be fair to you creatures, but now my patience has reached its end! Tell me, or I'll...?!
>>NO! NO! NO! Not the buttons! Not my hecking gumdrop buttons!!

I know this is a bait thread but why do people venerate Jesus as a symbol of suffering when the torture the people that came after him felt was much worse. Again I understand he was a Prophet and his pain wasn't physical but shouldn't he have been tortured more, just to drive the point home?

The Chad Advaitin:
>yeah bro you're like Atman and like Atman is Brahman and like everything is Brahman bro so you're like yourself experiencing yourself bro cuz everything is Brahman bro

The Virgin Basedddhist:
>n-nooo not my heckin feelerinos o god i am soofering aaaaarrrrhgghhhh must not desire must not attach i am nothing i dont exist nothing exists that is why gautama preached liberation because nothing can get totally liberated liberation does not in any way imply something being liberated from something nothingness is totally non conceptual nothingness a thing

>>15494191
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>>15494243
Christ bore the totality of the sins of humanity, past, present, and future. The suffering of the flesh that the saints suffered for His sake is nothing in comparison to His Suffering for our sake. It was a privilege to be martyred because of Him. God's Incarnation in Jesus Christ was the ultimate act of humility, love, and suffering.

>>15494191
It's actually part of the lesson:
All suffering is relative to your state of consciousness.

>>15494191
I..IS THAT A FEMALE GIRL? I...I'M SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOFERING

>>15494270
>everything is Brahman bro
including some subhuman raping and then murdering a 5 year old girl?

>>15494294
Ah thank you for your answer anon, I appreciate it.

>>15494294
I just wanna say that painting is incredible; thanks for posting

>>15494270
kek

>>15494270
>brehamn
>atmann
>Yeah if we make up enough words we're sure to find the truth of the universe!

>>15494317
Why wouldn't he be? The absolute in Vedanta is impersonal. This is like a materialist suddenly believing in demons because the idea that bad people might also be constructed from matter is unnerving for him.
If it makes you feel any better the person in the scenario you described will suffer proportionally to the karma of his actions.

>>15494191
Day reminder

BUDDHA WAS A POO LIVING IN POO LANDS DEBATING POO IDEAS TO POO FOLLOWERS TO SPREAD POO CULTURE FUCK POODHISM

>>15494270

>everything is everything

Is there a more intellectually bankrupt worldview?

>>15494392
>believing in karma
never gonna make it.

>>15494403
>Is there a more intellectually bankrupt worldview?
that illusions or a cycle of birth and death can magically arise without any reality acting as their basis

>>15494559

>Document history
>Not through documenting history that certain patterns of behavior are repeated throughout generations
>Lack the vocabulary to express this
>Use symbolism instead

At least it represents an idea. 'Everything is God/Brahma/Whatever' is a meaningless statement.

>>15494243
It's what his pain represents- God giving himself up to Earthly suffering to offer his creations a chance at slavation.

>>15494317
Yes, that is how you get reincarnated into a lower realm.

>>15494614
proofs?

>>15494622
In Buddhist theology, that is how you get reincarnated.

>>15494631
will I become a qt purr purr cat if I kill niggers in this life?
not a furry btw haha

>>15494581
>Everything is God/Brahma/Whatever' is a meaningless statement.
Maybe it sounds meaningless because you don't know what you are talking about, in Advaita Brahman is transcendent to the universe of phenomena. Tables, rocks, air etc are not Brahman

>>15494294
Okay but people are still suffering, so what was the point of him suffering for "us"?
If he hadn't existed, the same amount of suffering would be in the world.

>>15494191
>Baseddhartha

>>15494191
Buddha was a fictional character made up by Karl Marx. There is no evidence Buddhism existed, no literature which makes reference to it, which predates the first volume of Capital.

>>15494191
No he was not. He cast everything away and chose to live in absolute penury outside of society. Could you do that?

>>15494191
No, enlightenment was understood by hindus through suffering, they all did it. He tried to become enlightened by that and couldn't so he discovered how to not suffer etc

>>15495625
I get what you're trying to do, but even the early church fathers wrote about the Buddha

>>15495515
to live is to suffer and sin, anon. through Jesus there exists an understanding of the human spirit in its flawed nature. if we accept Jesus in our hearts we shall understand that the life we here on earth is just a small part of a bigger world.

>>15494294
>>15494606
That’s just mythology though

>yeah bro you're like Atman and like Atman is Brahman and like everything is Brahman bro so you're like yourself experiencing yourself bro cuz everything is Brahman bro

>>15494270
this

https://discord.gg/2JbmeMr

>>15494270
There is a reason why people move on to buddhism once they are done with reform judaism: it's completely compatible with materialist nihilism. In both, one's existence is a bleak suffering-filled existence experienced through a consciousness that is produced by a web of transient factors, which themselves have no inherent reality or meaning.

>>15499198
Buddhism is ever the religion of the nihilistic, urbanite rootless cosmopolitan.

>>15499815

take the sunyata pill

>>15501001
why? it doesn't make any sense and there are much more interesting and compelling spiritual metaphysics than a dissolution into emptiness

>>15494243
go home fedoratard

>>15501360
>dissolution into emptiness

>>15499815
No, it isn't. /lit/ can have such shit takes sometimes

Not that Ken Wheeler cares, small souled bugman that he is and all, but the actual answer to this is that he was kept in his father's palace against his will. The Buddha's pre-renunciate life is essentially just a series of him trying to leave and his father loading him down with pleasures to keep him from leaving. He wasn't even allowed to impregnate his own wife for years to keep him from leaving (in India at the time, and to this day, it was a gross shirking of duty to take up a spiritual life before reproducing). He had to escape in the night from the palace because the guards were told to keep him from leaving.

>>15501527
is this the "anything that doesn't explicitly affirm mind-body dualism is materialistic" guy?

i still dont get how he can hold that view and cling to advaita vedanta, because advaita vedanta is explicitly non-dual. when i asked him he called me a "cvcked h*lic".

>>15499885
>repeating the same mantra over and over again regardless of context
>not NPC behavior
Oh I’m laffin

>>15501527
>small souled
Bugddhism doesn’t Believe in soul so what are you on about, no-souled man?

>>15501590
Mantra repetition is a big part of Advaita Vedanta. It's also the point of the Rosary, Heyschasm, several other Christian Mystic traditions, and Islamic... well, everything.

>>15501578
Yeah. /p/ hates him, he's some trend hopping schizo. He used to be big into biking, now he's on about cameras and ~eastern religion~.

Perhaps NPCs are so attracted to Buddhism because it’s so true — for them. They have no souls?

Pure Land is literally the description of NPC paradise. Everybody becomes a clone.

>>15501600
Buddhism doesn't deny a soul, it denies a Self. Souls are completely real, and affirmed; they're just impermanent. Your soul is not your Self.

>>15501604
Who said anything about Advaita? Oh yes your programming did.

>>15494191
Frankly it's worse even then that. The

>im soofering

thing was also a convenient excuse to sit under a tree having people (figuratively [we assume]) suck his dick instead of actually having to accept any onerous responsibility

>>15501491
>b-b-but Buddhism is actually based, I read Evola's book and some 2006 blogposts about aryan Buddhism; nevermind that Buddhist philosophy happens to always coincidentally reach nearly identical metaphysical conclusions as materialism and post-modernism and that Buddhism comes with some preprogrammed NPC muh individualistic proselytizing moralism bs

>>15502356
>buddhism
>reifying matter

ahahah oh no no no it's retarded

>>15495625
I know it's a shitpost but didn't Schopie write about Buddhism 10 years before Kapital?

The seething levels are beyond comprehension.
I can't help but laugh at whoever is mentally fingerbanging themselves this hard to the thought of being spiritually superior to buddhists while disposing of all their own religious doctrines just to coom.

>>15501578
> still dont get how he can hold that view and cling to advaita vedanta, because advaita vedanta is explicitly non-dual
Advaita Vedanta includes a form of mind-body dualism insofar as they say that the mind and thought inhere in the subtle body which exists on the plane of subtle manifestation and which is not a physical object but which is a sort of non-physical inference for controlling the physical body; resulting in a duality of the physical body vs the formless non-physical mind although metaphysically this still gives way to ontological non-dualism as the subtle body and physical bodies etc are ultimately just unreal superimpositions in non-dual consciousness which observes the aforesaid superimpositions while remaining unaffected by them