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nobody here really takes this jibber jabber seriously, right?

>>15434867
Does this mean what I think it means?

>>15434867
You are correct

>>15434888
Nice trips, but everything in my post has justification that I could provide if you ask. What aspect would you like me to explain?

>>15434867
Suck refugee dick christcuck

>>15434867
How does the maximal traits of god conflict with masturbating to hentai?

>>15434913
In the thread I specified that the argument has nothing to do with a particular religion if you isolate it. I'm not arguing for any aspects of any religion besides the logical conclusion of monotheism.

>>15434914
I suppose you're right. Just because the argument proves God exists doesn't mean it proves a form of morality.

>>15434943
God is all masturbating and all anime watching. To masturbate to hentai is to be closer to God

>>15435005
I suppose so. Do you think that Aquinas' first way is valid?

By the way, following through with some of the conclusions of moderate realism and a maximal being existing, wouldn't it follow that a soul would exist as a universal within the divine intellect, and that it would return to the maximal being upon death?

>>15434867
Now try to explain how God can suddenly initiate that chain of causality and give it a beginning without compromising his immutability.

In what way is his argument not just "dude, nothing comes from nothing" spiced up a bit?

>>15435122
I don't understand where the contradiction is. If God initiated the chain and then just stopped, it would be contradictory, but the whole point of classical theism is that God is continuously sustaining existence.

>>15435138
No

>>15435142
>but the whole point of classical theism is that God is continuously sustaining existence.
That's Aquinas' position but I'm pretty sure the Catholic Church disagrees and says that creation suddenly began at a certain point of time.

>>15434867
>the only people who read Aquinas are weeaboo hentai coomers who are only capable of getting "stop fapping to hentai" as the sole message of his entire corpus
the absolute state of my religion

>>15435274
https://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p1s2c1p4.htm

>God upholds and sustains creation.

>301 With creation, God does not abandon his creatures to themselves. He not only gives them being and existence, but also, and at every moment, upholds and sustains them in being, enables them to act and brings them to their final end. Recognizing this utter dependence with respect to the Creator is a source of wisdom and freedom, of joy and confidence:

>>15435304
That doesn't specific whether God was and has always been creating or whether creation had a beginning, where God continues to uphold and sustain this creation after creating it is irrelevant to the question for our present purposes

>>15435461
>*whether God continues

>>15434867
Why does it have to be this God is the thing. Why can't it be some nice God who thinks the only right way to live is to live according to your own morals and not the morals of Him.

Christianity is a false religion of weakness, Jew-worshiping and ressentiment.

>>15435304
>Recognizing this utter dependence with respect to the Creator is a source of ...freedom
This is your brain on slave religion

>>15435494
>>15435504
I already told you that it proves A god, not any particular god. I don't know why people keep bringing Christianity into this.

>>15435617
Then why can't you jack off to Hentai babes?

>>15435677
>>15434943

>>15435682
Then start stroking, faggot

>>15435687
Go behind me, Satan, thou art a scandal unto me: because thou savourest not the things that are of God, but the things that are of men!

>>15434867
Aquinas doesn't prove the biblical Yahweh exists, only that the Aristotelian prime mover exists.

>>15435722
Indeed

using magnets to disprove homosexuality

>>15435722
YHVH is the Aristotelian prime mover, sorry if it makes you mad.

>>15436899
Roger Bacon would agree with you, and to be honest, I think it's the rational position, despite the crazy shit we hear about him on here ;3

>>15436899
That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

>>15436899
Yahweh's merely a son of El.

>>15436939
This Yahweh sure is a handsome fella, and his wife is a knockout (pic related).

>>15435677
because lust and the pursuit of hedonistic desires draws you farther from God in almost every religion, so if God is real but Christianity isn't it's still a reasonable assumption to make

>>15436899
Imagine living in a world where the Aristotelian prime mover tells a certain desert tribe to kill all the men, women, children and animals in the neighboring cities

>>15436965
>Imagine living in a world where the Aristotelian prime mover tells a certain desert tribe to kill all the men, women, children and animals in the neighboring cities
You'd better start believing in that sort of world, anon...you're living in it.

>>15437017
He doesn't even fit the description.

Based and G-dpilled.
t. Muslim

>>15436899
And why is that?

>>15436899
Yahweh was a volcano demon who was claiming to be the aristotelian prime mover. He promised some nomadic tribe worldly power if they worshipped him alone and genocided everyone else around them.

>>15436965
Is it valid to claim that living so fervently in accordance with divine will is an act of lust for godliness and, maybe not hedonistic, but selfish in that it satisfies a personal spiritual desire for fulfilment? If not, why is filling a spiritual void more acceptable than a material one?

>>15436965
I just formed a religion. In this one, God wants you to behave as if He didn't exist. He wants you to jerk off to hentai babes.
Proved you wrong, didn't I.
Also, that's just false. Judaism considers sex not just a perfectly good act but a righteous one. If I jack off to hentai babes in quarantine, I'm just practicing for when I bag a real one.

>>15434867
Bit confused about the moderate realist thing. If even a single atom or element exists can’t your say the potential for everything exists? Within the nature of the atom itself, you can get anything (all you have to do is imagine more atoms). I don’t see how it’s different from a seed and flower. Wouldn’t that also mean that with just one atom you get all possible potentials?

>>15434867
>most objections I see raised here
true academic rigor

>>15437181
>He promised some nomadic tribe worldly power
Well, they got it, didn't they? So, is Yaweh real?

>>15434867
You cannot word something to existence. Think about it, how does writing words on a paper or having thoughts in your head assert the existence of anything at all besides said thoughts and all the immediate sense data you receive. Thus all arguments of this kind are null and void. You have to demonstrate God's existence, and this can be done through revelation.

>>15437465
Probably not. Most of his promises failed to materialise, for instance, he said Israel would "always have a king".

>>15437465
Being real doesn't mean he's the highest deity. He's probably just some lesser deity who gets something out of people by lying to them and getting them to worship him alone. He lied to the Israelites in the Bible already so why would you believe him?

>>15434867
Refuted by the Greeks and by calculus. Aquinas is an idiot.
You can have infinite steps converge if each step becomes smaller monotonically. This is what happened with the universe. The arrow reaches its target.
But you still shouldn't be masturbating.

NOT SO FAST
>Why does it have to be God that terminates the chain?
It doesn't. Just write "big bang" where you would write god, and every time you feel doubt just keep writing "big bang".

>>15437648
>You can have infinite steps converge if each step becomes smaller monotonically.
This is out of the question. No human being has enough strength or patience to take infinite steps.

For Zeno's Paradox, this is referred to as the 'Pee Break' problem, highlighting the fact that eventually the runner will have to take a pee break and eat and drink.

>>15437465
There are plenty of demons who can give worldly power, does that make them the highest god

>>15437200
Consider how disgusting you feel directly after you bust a nut to some hentai

>>15437648
>Refuted by the Greeks

which Greek? they all had wildly different variations on things like infinite regress/being, etc

>Aquinas is an idiot.

why yes, this lone 4chan poster refuted Aquinas completely by saying "calculus sez ur wrong" with absolutely not citations or much evidence in anno domini 2020

Ok lil babby... it's time for Kant now, no more Cartoon Network, no more cereals for breakfast, it's time to man up

>>15438203
1. Most disgust depends on the content. If it's happy hentai with mutually happy characters, then it feels happy afterward.
2. Any remaining disgust is just social conditioning and not anything innate, and can be deconditioned.

>>15434867
>An infinite chain of causation is completely possible within Aquinas' framework as long as there's a proper beginning.

A chai with a beginning would not be infinite now, would it?

>>15434913
Have a (You), out of pity.

>>15435516
Should freedom not be accountable, faggot?

>>15437221
And why this god you've made up would want for me to behave as if He didn't exist?

>t, which means potentials and actuals don't exist ontologically independent from objects, they exist within them. So a potential flower exists within the nature of the seed itself, rather than the potential "flowerness" existing independent from the seed.

Fuck outta here with your 100AD crystal magic wumbo jumbo retard talk
Philosophy is for fucking losers

>>15437562
King: God (Father, Son, and Holy Ghost)
Kingdom: Heaven
Israel: all the world

I would say His promise has been fulfilled fully.

>>15434867
God is utterably ineffable and it has no causal relationship to the world in the normal sense.

>>15438916
Christianity is such a constant series of copes and retcons

>>15438941
Good for you, kiddo.

>>15434867
>The traits of being maximal include the traits we assign to God (omniscience, omnipotence, etc.).
Why? Why can't it be maximal but non-conscious?

>>15434867
>implying I'm going to argue with you just so that you can go back to watching porn
suffer retard

>>15437562

>>15434867
You're right.

>>15436899
uh actually Amon Ra is :)

>>15438941
That's about the size of it, yes. Theology is about torturing the definition of words until they mean nothing, then you can make them say whatever you want.