/lit/ - Literature

>>15418017
ad hom you fat virg

>>15418026
Neither fat nor a virgin, I'm just curious about the mind of commies, clearly if you were as intelligent as you pretend to be on the internet you'd be stoked that your ideas could turn a profit for you and yours.

>>15418017
Rightoids can be brilliant individualists who rightly see the way the incompetent, braying masses hold them back from true transcendence, leftoids can be deeply compassionate people searching for meaningful ways to end suffering.
Most rightoids are desperate for a daddy to remove their agency, most leftoids are desperate to rationalize their personal deficiencies and have their shortcomings excused.

>>15418044
literally read marx you dumbass. the only people who hate marxism are either too stupid or lazy to even read him

>>15418017
they want to larp as revolutionaries

All centrist and extremist ideologies draw psueds. An apolitical stance is the only transcendent position.

>>15418017
not fucking literature. why won't you /pol/ retards fuck off.

>>15418053
>ask marxoid to defend “his” positions
>lol just read all of marx dumbass
every time

>>15418053
>NNNOOO YOU HAVE TO READ 800 PAGES OF WORD SALAD ABOUT MY IDEALS TO GET IT NNNNOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST REDUCE IT TO AN EASILY REFUTABLE POLITICAL CONCEPT YOU HAVE TO READ MARX AND ALL THE BOOKS AROUND MARX'S TIME TO TRULY GET IT I'M A REVOLUTIONARY MY MOM SAYS THAT I HAVE A GREAT SENSE FOR INJUSTICE IN THE WORLD BECAUSE I HATE WORKING AND I'M THE FIRST PERSON TO THINK FRYCOOKS SHOULD MAKE MORE
Kill yourself

>>15418069
No marx wrote a book

>>15418017
Leftist and liberals NEVER pass an opportunity to signal their self-percieved intelligence.
They just can't help themselves.
This is why you see commies on /lit/ 80% of the time arguing semantics and definitions.

The intellectual right is more intelligent than the intellectual left. The mainstream left is more intelligent than the mainstream right. It’s quite literally the midwit meme.
Both the left and right draw psueds for different reasons.

>>15418017
>AH BLUH BLUH AKSHULLY ACCORDING TO MY CALCULATIONS THE SKULL SIZE OF THE NEGROID IS 0.0000001% SMALLER THAN THE SKULL SIZE OF THE CAUCASOID BLAH BLAH BLAH ACCORDING TO NEWTONIAN MECHANICS THAT MEANS THAT ACCORDING TO THIS TEST TUBE THAT AKSHULLY BLUH BLUH WELL THEREFORE DURRRR DURRRRRR SOCIOECONOMIC FACTORS? WEALTH DISAPRITY? W-WHAT'S THAT? WELL BUT SKULL SHAPES ACCORDING TO THIS /POL/ INFOGRAPHIC THAT MEANS WELL AKSHULLY WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS

r*ghToids can't meme

>>15418076
Its because so many of the critiques of Marxism have nothing to do with Marxism. It would be like if someone called Plato a proton-keynesian, its so dumb that its not worth responding too. If you want to have an opinion on Marx, that people will take seriously, you need to read some Marx.

>>15418157
>marxists actually believe there's depth to being envious of rich people.
>>15418151
>strawman cope
>>15418145
truth
>>15418120
All they do is sit around and look for ways to shoehorn "labor theory of value" into their conversation so they can seem well read about an idea that takes up less than a page.

>>15418188
>r*ghToids think there's depth to "ooga booga his skin colour different, kill him"

>>15418091
god forbid putting effort into how you think

>>15418157
weird how literally every political position except marxoidism has no issue explaining itself to the uninitiated

>>15418221
Okay get your narrative together retard, either marxism actually requires reading to understand what it is about, or it is for brainlets who are envious of rich people.
You low IQ faggots can never make an actual argument that warrants serious discussion, and all you do is whine about having to actually read to understand a political ideology founded on philosophy and political science.

>>15418221
Marxism is complicated partly because it is so different. It is not hard to explain the status quo to someone

You don't need to explain who controls the means of production to get someone to support capitalism, because you do not need to change that in capitalism. But to convince someone of Marxism you need to explain what the means of production are, why that matters, and why the control of it should be transferred. Explaining change is inherently more complicated.

>>15418252
He's saying it's a bunch of incoherent obfuscation

>>15418268
Capitalism is complicated too. What percentage of voters do you think really understand how the economy works? But no one needs to be understand it to support not changing it.

>>15418282
haha work for money and money buy thing

It's that easy you fucking faggot

>>15418258
You guys never do explain that though. You never describe how it will look when the workers own the means of production or what precisely is even entailed by that, since the workers would respond to literally everybody, and they would then own literally all machinery or something, but how does their ownership of this manifest and how do they voice their will about what is done with a given piece of machinery or industry in general.

>>15418288
That's not how it actually works though. Many people make large amounts without working, through property ownership, or ownership of stocks and shares. Through capital. Working is not how most money is accumulated under capitalism.

>>15418258
so what you're saying is that you can't explain the means of production or why its important to transfer them to the workers to him, so you're just gonna tell him to read marx and make him do all the work of figuring it out himself

yep, sounds like cope

>>15418291
>worker would respond to
refer to*

>>15418252
you expect normal people to believe you have a deep understanding of some kind of highly nuanced political theory, meanwhile you can't parse a single sentence without a) totally missing the point and b) sperging out because your feelings are hurt
>it is for brainlets who are envious of rich people
it's this one, with a side of obfuscation like the other anon said

>>15418288
haha I work for person who takes all the value of my labor haha
Im not upset about this, because (Explained in countless works of academia spanning philosophy, political science, psychology and sociology)
Fucking read something else than a meme board and learn something

>>15418291
There are different schools of Marxism that have different views of exactly how an economy should be organized, just as there are different types of capitalists. But generally, workers organize through unions and own the means of production collectively.

>>15418221
It's easy to explain but that won't stop retards like OP from strawmaning it an hour later.

>>15418301
The reason why people don't always get into it in detail is because you have two choices, write a huge wall of text that no one will read or try and simplify and distill it and end up missing important nuances.

Marxism is complicated and it can't be easily explained. But in extremely basic terms the ownership of the means of production matters because it is where power lies in a society, capitalists use their ownership of it to exploit workers. They do this by stealing surplus value, underpaying workers and keeping that amount for themselves. So they act as a parasite class, a group of people who do no work, and only own things.

>>15418312
Unions are for a specific industry though right? You would have a union for like mining nickel and then a union that created computers or something, how do the unions deal with each other? And within the unions it is democratically elected a leader or direct democratic votes on all sorts of questions of what to do?

>>15418306
No, its because these online debates always turn out the same. I could give summarise Das Kapital for you, but you would fucking reply to me with a meme and I would waste my fucking time.
Why are you even arguing something you dont understand? Why are you so biased against marxism, when you dont know what it is?
Do you swallow everything you were taught to believe like a drone? Never question anything?

>>15418017
>What is it that draws pseuds to Marxist teachings
Envy, resentment and feelings of inferiority

>>15418017
I'm a quasi-communist, because currently its the only ideology with revolutionary potential (at least in the west). Everything else is either too ideologically immature or simply non-revolutionary.

>>15418328
All faggots in this thread adress this, or dont comment with your meme shit. This is the closest we will get to anything serious, as typing anything longer will be a waste on people who think posting pepe memes is a political stance

>>15418335
>Why are you so biased against marxism, when you dont know what it is?
i do know what it is, but if i didn't i suspect the combination of arrogance and stupidity displayed by the average marxoid would put me off
>Do you swallow everything you were taught to believe like a drone? Never question anything?
stuff like that for instance - you think you're such an edgy little revolutionary and the only people who could possibly disagree with you are braindead corporate drones, maaaan. there's no way you're older than 19.

>>15418299
Risk assessment and planning are real work.
>>15418301
He doesn't actually have a clue about how things are financed and made, he just wants to allude he does and force me to do tons of legwork before I can tell him communism is trash.
>>15418307
>takes all my value of my labor
How the fuck am I getting paid then, genius?
>>15418322
>easy to explain
Then explain it in a way that isn't fucking stupid

>>15418332
There are many ways to organize unions, they can be more or less democratic. And they usually work together through higher councils, such as the TUC in the UK.

The exact right way to do it is open to interpretation. Marxism is descriptive, rather than prescriptive. It just describes how an economy works in material terms.

>>15418328
If a company pays it's entire margin on it's workers alone, how can it expand services? A company that doesn't reinvest in itself is doomed for failure. The excess to the company is the price of using it's equipment to turn a profit.

>>15418017
what do you mean lmao
most pseuds I see are right-wing pretending to be smarter than other people and getting defensive whenever they are questioned about anything not surface level

>>15418364
>Risk assessment and planning are real work.

Yes and they are done by paid assistants, advisors, algorithms etc.

Capitalists lives off the work of others. If they didn't then they would, by definition, not be capitalists. Capitalists make money though the ownership of capital, not through work.

>>15418363
No, I am older than you probably my friend, and not edgy. But is your political stance the status quo? And if so why ? See, supporting the status quo is easy. Its what most of the population does, without thinking, because it requires no thinking. Its simply "the norm". If you dont understand this, you wont understand anything in philosophy as its literally pointed out by fucking Socrates, the first philosopher everyone knows of.

>>15418365
>r through higher councils,
Which are democratically elected or what? Isn't that basically a state?

And I don't care if Marxism is descriptive or predictive, I care about 'the workers owning the means of production', a phrase Marxists literally constantly repeat without ever explaining how it's supposed to work.

>>15418364
>my labor generates 100 $ of value
>capitalist takes my 100 $
>gives me back 30 $
>I got paid, wow!!!!! :DDDDDD

>>15418373
Reinvesting into the company is fine, and is done by co-ops and other non capitalist entities. The problem is the capitalist class within the company, the owners and shareholders who do no work but take some of the money made by the company.

>>15418380
>Which are democratically elected or what? Isn't that basically a state?

They can be and yes it can act as a state, or as part of a state or as separate from a state. There isn't just one way for it work, but many.

>>15418076
Why should anyone be expected to 'defend' Marx from someone who's criticizing not Marx's ideas, but a concept of their own creation which they've osmosed from who-knows-where and which they inexplicably attribute to the man? It's the equivalent of an evolutionary biologist debating a creationist.

>>15418391
What are some ways for it to work? what are the big Marxist texts explaining how the workers owning the means of production will/can look?

@15418151
obsessed

>>15418379
>everyone who disagrees with me is a dumb status quo drone
you're still doing it, it's like a verbal tic or something
>See, supporting the status quo is easy. Its what most of the population does, without thinking, because it requires no thinking.
i'm glad i had a super smart marxoid like you to point that out, i never could've come to that conclusion on my own. seriously dude i hope you're lying about not being a teen. otherwise you're beyond salvation

>>15418378
You really think the head of a company just sits in an office all day and doesn't plan the company's direction or do anything new with his money? Sure he'll probably spend some on himself but just assuming he doesn't do anything is a next level cope.
>>15418385
Do you really think you produce a value of $100/hr at work? Payroll is usually calculated with most of the money going to the worker.
Because paying people more gets better workers.
>>15418386
If co-ops are so good why aren't they more common? Why are they beat out by every capitalist company?

>>15418395
Real life examples are the USSR, for a transitional state or the Zapatistas for something more decentralized. And I would suggest reading Capital for a good basis, then State and Revolution by Lenin and maybe Arguments for Socialism and Arguments for Democracy by Tony Benn, if you want more about how it could look in a more simple and direct sense.

>>15418394
>It's the equivalent of an evolutionary biologist debating a creationist.
a comforting fairy tale for marxoids to tell themselves, although this happens too. if creationists had as much control over society as le evil capitalists do i suspect you'd see a lot more of it, in fact.

>>15418406
You dumb meme arrowing retard, adress my point of Socrates pointing this shit out, or fucking unplug your internet. The man said over 2400 years ago, that we need to question why we do the things we do, and if there is a reason behind them. This is fucking entry level shit, even Bertrand Russell said the same thing as his last words to humanity, "to research things without any kind of bias". If you cannot fathom this concept, and how it relates to our everyday life, and how it must be examined you should fucking read some more.

>>15418413
>If co-ops are so good why aren't they more common? Why are they beat out by every capitalist company?

Because we live in a capitalist society. And its not about being better, as in accumulating more capital, but rather they are better in that they distribute that capital more effectively.

>>15418291
do you know how a union works? the workplace will be democratically controlled you’d just vote on decisions and profits would be shared according to labor

marxism can't do this

>>15418017
I don't think it's that pseuds are drawn to it, but rather that leftists have a weird complex over being "intellectuals" and this turns them into pseuds. I really cannot overstate how obsessive leftists are about trying to signal intelligence. They like to take up some pet ideas that they've briefly heard of, such as the surplus value of labor, and repeat it like they're brilliant. They'll instantly dismiss all sorts of charges against them as nonsensical, but rely primarily on the tactic of just laughing at their opponent for not already knowing why what they're saying is so wrong. This leads them to ridiculous scenarios where they decry certain regimes as State Capitalist and then five minutes later use an example of state-owned enterprises as proof of socialism. Everything is so focused on intelligence that they end up becoming close-minded idiots because they're incapable of actually reasoning things through properly. You'll see people of all ideologies do these sorts of things, but leftists are the worst because of their know-it-all attitude. Perhaps certain religious fundamentalists would be worse if they were more influential.

>>15418413
I didnt say anything about per hour, it was a random number to make the example easy to read.
Do you know what profit is? Surplus value of labor?
So tell me Mr. Big brain capitalist, if workers got paid 1:1 what they were worth, and for the actual value they generate, how much profit would there be ?

>>15418428
address what point? that supporting the status quo is easy? i already agreed, not sure if you noticed. given how common it is and how important it is that we avoid doing it, i'd expect marxoids to have developed better techniques to encourage people to stop than calling everyone who disagrees with their meme ideologies retards and drones.

>>15418450
>calls marxism meme ideology
>doesnt adress the points that Socrates and Bertrand Russell puts forward about examining without bias
Do you actually enjoy this? What is your point, if youre only going to call marxism shit and not make a single point besides ad hominem on people who are tired of your bullshit? Do you realise that your entire argument and view is dependent on "triggering" people, and when you fail to trigger someone, everyone you believe fall apart?

>>15418047
Whoah anon this is way too insightful for this board

>>15418430
You can literally work at any co-op you want to. You can start one right now without forcing the country to do your bullshit. It's not illegal. Why don't you?
>>15418445
Workers get paid what they are worth on the free market. The excess the company pulls off their paycheck is the companies fair share for providing you with what you need to accomplish your job. Are you familiar with the concepts of supply and demand?

>>15418470
>Do you realise that your entire argument and view is dependent on "triggering" people, and when you fail to trigger someone, everyone you believe fall apart?
even if that was true, the good news is there'd be an infinite supply of you guys on /lit/ to keep me sated

>>15418053
Why wouldn’t I hate Marxism? I stand to inherit a million dollars or more from my parents when they pass away. Ergo, They (Marxists) want to kill me

>>15418498
>A million bucks
>Wealthy
HAHAHAHAHAHA dude a million bucks is NOTHING, that won't even get you in the incredibly slow moving line to the outer circle of the outer circle of the frozen over club of the elite.
Invest that profitably, pass the products of those investment onto your one machiavellian son, have him invest it pofitably and pass it on to his one machiavellian son, have that guy use it to manipulate politics, bend ethics considerably, and make that grow yet more, and then we can just barely begin to talk about you having any kind of claim to the levers of power with your measly million bucks.

>>15418492
Yes I am very familiar with supply and demand. Now tell me, you used the term "fair share". Now tell me, what is fair about the distribution between Jeff Besoz and the employees at Amazon? Even though Jeff Bezos literally doesnt step foot in any factory, ever. His mere signature on a paper gives him right to billions. Explain why this is a good thing.

>>15418497
I'll bite man. What is your argument?

>>15418509
nigga pls we know you all salivate at the thought of killing the kulaks, and they werent at the levers of power

>>15418380
Abolish shareholders and replae with employees

>>15418498
Read this
>>15418509
One million dollars is pocket change if you look at the top 10 wealthiest people on earth. Its not these tiny little people mom and pop with their 1 million dollars, its the fucking super mega rich who is fucking everyone over on the daily for their own gain. Its companies like Nestle actively destroying people's lives that should be abolished. The notion of private property is the most asinine thing ever created, and its only uphold because it would be somewhat uncomforting to actually do anything serious about it, instead of just rotting away into a more and more uneven distribution of wealth until everyone just dies or its too late to do anything because the McMilitary has a McNuke for each neighborhood in the world.

>>15418514
Jeff Bezos' net worth and his actual accessibility to money are two different data points.

The fact that Amazon has saved the average American billions in time, effort and money means that Amazon has likely benefited Americans more than Bezos himself.

>>15418509
Amazon was started with 250k, it's possible.

Kek OP is a slimy pseud trying to make it seem as if the ones calling him a pseud (marxists) are the actual pseuds.
Kys

>>15418567
pseud

>>15418553
>time, effort and money
You mean, Jeff Bezos supplied everyone with stupid crap and has made his employees do it for pennies daily.
The amazing part is that people are looking up to these people. Jeff Bezos literally doesnt give a flying fuck about anyone, he has enough money to save the town of Flint and give everyone working for him a big fat pay check, but he wont. He doesnt even work, he just dicks around like every other multi billionaire and does nothing until he gets a little guilt trip and donate some money to other people to make himself feel better about exploiting the working class.

>>15418552
Previous communist revolts haven't hurt the mega-rich, they only managed to disrupt the rich and the middle-class while they slot in new people into the roles of the mega-rich.

>>15418552
>>15418527

>>15418509
Assuming a low-risk investement return rate of 4%, he could invest that 1 million dollars and live off an annual return of $40,000 with 0 extra effort. That's pretty fucking based.

>>15418017
It is ressentiment that drives the Left.

>>15418575
The thing is these regimes dont fail by themselves, but are often tampered by the glorious USA. Look at Cuba, who got trade embargoed on the basis of being "commies".
You literally have a totalitarian state in USA dedicated to eradicating "commies", and assasinate world leaders in South America, and think communism fails by itself.
Revolutions sometimes succeed and when they do, the biggest and most complex societal turn happens and everything becomes chaos. That is what we have seen happen, and why a state is so vulnerable right after a revolution when everything is turmoil. These things last forever, look at the Balkans after Tito died and nationalists started appearing and suddenly a fucking genocide happened, because these animals were let out of the gulag.

>>15418552
I’m the guy you replied to, and I see what you’re saying and I agree that we (not us in the thread, just society in general) need to do something about the obscenely wealthy having too much control over us. I just don’t think that should involve limiting how much wealth people can amass. There has to be a better way. Something like anti-trust For individuals

>>15418625
not much of an ideology if it can’t handle a little bit of outside interference without collapsing

>>15418573
> do it for pennies daily
I know people who work in Amazon warehouses and they make more than any other warehouse worker in my area. You don't know what you're talking about because you don't work.

>>15418625
>Collapses without even being invaded
Get a better system

>>15418017
Marxism is unrealistic. It's a day dream made by a poor man who was upset that life wasn't handed to him on a silver platter. It draws in so many people because they are just as upset as he was. He just put his day dream in a neat little package and made it palatable for other people.

>>15418663
>It's a day dream made by a poor man
like most modern marxoids, marx was not poor thanks to mooching off rich family and friends

>>15418017
The Marxists I have met and talked to are generally just failures who hate people that are not failures. Pretty obvious if you listen to them. They don't like the workers, just the opposite. They just hate anyone with more money than them.

>>15418017
Imagine being butt blasted at the holodomor, Ukrainians aren't people

stealing money is the real work

>>15418680
This.

>>15418518
tl;dr my argument is >>15418680
note how I have conveniently directed you to a concise summary rather than demanding you read my 900 page treatise on the subject

Rent seeking parasites deserve death and only brainlets oppose political violence

>>15418679
He's still poor. Having to live off of other people's money doesn't make you rich.

>>15418637
I do work, and the fact that they make more than other low paid warehouse workers dont mean shit brainlet

>>15418699
>Stonetoss

>>15418680
I probably have more wealth than anyone you know

>>15418017
Go back to pleddit with this liberal nonsense, faggot.

>>15418737
Why don’t you give it all away to save the poor people of Flint, comrade?

>>15418680
(you)

we're all about the working class
lady gaga and mark ruffalo agree

>>15418680
You've never met a Marxist, liar.

>>15418723
The fact that he pays his workers more generously than literally every other company means nothing to you? He could get away with minimum wage but they can make more than $20/hr for completely unskilled labor. All they do is go to a box and move product.

>>15418017
Marxism isn’t a coherent ideology. It’s a critique of others. It would be like letting a movie critic write a script and direct a movie. It would be shit.

>>15418747
I'm not even a Marxist, I just find it funny that you're simping for capitalism when I could buy or sell your life on a whim, you're insignificant and to cucked to lash out at the people that have profited off your naïveté

>>15418747
Read Marx, moron.

>>15418766
>I’m not even a Marxist, I just get really offended when they’re insulted
Try to keep your larp straight friend
>>15418767
Read the thread

>>15418781
Read Kapital by Marx, dipshit. That will answer all your embarrassing noob questions.

>>15418441
I agree, but that attitude in particular isn't really a leftist problem, it's a pseud problem. Academia is thoroughly steeped in leftist theory (for better or worse), and that results in pseuds trying to emulate people who actually did their reading (and thinking).

What I'm saying is that if you went back to the academia of 14th century Europe you'd find the exact same archetype but acting smug about his knowledge of Augustine and Aquinas instead of repeating the watered down, half-understood Lyotard he heard in class last week.

>>15418560
ok so go do it then

>>15418791
Read the thread.

>>15418345
Take the Duginpill anon

>>15418801
Are you fucking retarded? Skip the musings of a bunch of ignorant dumbfucks on /lit/, and just read Marx. For fuck's sake.

>>15418047
Goddamn I gotta screencap this and read it outloud 100 times

>>15418781
Look, once you have money you don't have to create some elaborate story about the glory of markets or whatever liberal pablum you believe, neither you nor the Marxists will ever even do much as scratch at my station in society, but you're even more debased because you don't realize that your worldview has been curated for you so that you'll just stay in your place like a good goy

>>15418809
Read the thread.

>>15418527
No, I'm not some bloodthirsty russian or chinese dipshit. I'm an American, I fucking love other Americans. I even like the filthy rich, I don't think they can act against the incentives set out by the current paradigm of capitalism and growth.
We change the incentives. No mass murders.
That takes power, power I guess is rooted in violence, but I would sooner kill any of my murderous tankie "comrades" at cucked organizations like the DSA to avoid the consequences of their fucked anti-human ideals than any unsuspecting American "kulaks."

>>15418799
No, I'm not willing to risk all my assets for a dubious payout on an idea that I haven't fleshed out.
>>15418809
NOBODY CARES ABOUT MARX, HE WAS AN IGNORANT PSEUD 100 YEARS AGO AND IT'S A THEORY BASED ON RESENTMENT AND GIBES. KILL YOURSELF

>>15418821
A little better but you’re laying it on too thick. 6/10

>>15418825
Holy fucking shit you're a stubborn little fuckstick. Were you dropped on your head?

READ
MARX

That's right: close your precious discussion thread and do it now.

>>15418844
Read the thread.

>>15418829
so you agree a million isn't shit regardless of how amazon was founded off of a quarter of that

>>15418829
MARX WASN'T ALIVE IN 1920, YOU DISGUSTING LITTLE SACK OF SHIT. YOU HAVE EMBARRASSED YOURSELF AND YOUR FAMILY -- KILL YOURSELF IMMEDIATELY.

>>15418821
You're rich, it is easy for you to feel superior. The poor are just as likely to become rich by praising capitalism as socialism, in either case very unlikely. Being a socialist is still 'staying in your place' in all ways that actually matter, ie. they stay poor, you stay rich.

>>15418846
I did. The consensus is you're a complete idiot. Cope.

>NOO you can't make me actually read any marxist theory, that would actually challenge my narrow and fragile worldview. I just want to shit on marxism without knowing anything about it.

>>15418856
Seethe.

>>15418853
Stop being so attached to possessions, you atheist scumbag.

>>15418861
>ideology from a white male
kinda cringe bro

>>15418863
Read Marx.

>>15418866
Go back to plebbit, libfag.

We’re all just fucking wage cucks, and that’s why Marxism is so appealing. All the threads I see these fucking /pol/ NEETS making fun of wagies without ever disclosing that they are a parasite to their parents or the government or the stock market. People who turn to Marxism see the suffering of the masses and the wasted human potential of what wage slavery does to people. Functionally, it’s empathy for others that drives people to want to change things collectively. If they only wanted to alleviate their own suffering, then they would have already become libertarians. Empathy is not only for those who don’t have money, however. It’s an emotion that bleeds into empathy for others who are suffering for any number of reasons. This is partly why they are so accepting of minorities and other identity politics persons. The worst part about this post is that everyone who is a leftist already understands this, and anyone who doesn’t get this is just going to nitpick the fact I used the term identity politics and call me a Nigger Faggot.

>>15418865
>attached to possessions
kek if only you knew

>>15418883
>People who turn to Marxism see the suffering of the masses and the wasted human potential of what wage slavery does to people.

This has about as much grounding in real life as /pol/ types believing that they will be the savior of the white race.

>>15418883
I actually think the "accepting of minorities and other identity politics persons" has a narrowing function, like a craigslist search, decreasing any chance of real coalition-building.
Many think that the more identities you tag on the more people you are adding to your movement. They think labels are like aftermarket modifications on a sick car, everything you add makes it look that much more tight and go that much faster.
But I think it's craigslist, not car.

>>15418900
No, that's a nonsensical comparison.

>>15418202
brutal

>>15418017
>What is it that draws pseuds to Marxist teachings?
free shit

>>15418883
there’s no one in the world with less empathy for actual poorfags than marxoid university students

>>15418900
>me and all my coworkers aren’t getting paid enough and are abused by the boss man who has treated me like such shit I’d refuse to be given his position
>formed a union
>we’re so successful at it the senate had to amend the law to basically cripple union power
It’s happened before and still happens today though. I’m totally on board that there won’t be a communist revolution, but I think the spirit of collectivism can definitely move the masses into a better place.
>>15418908
I also agree that inclusion of those groups and defining it by those terms has caused the left to be coopted by its corporate overlords and distracted the masses of their economic inequality.

>>15418938
you think the marxists on /lit/ are all university elite grad students?
How do you think you find /lit/?
answer: being a preteen /b/tard and never leaving.
We're all autodidacts from nowhere going nowhere, just like you, with a different view of our potential.

>>15418938
I agree, the disparity between middle class garbage that’s lived in comfort their whole lives vs. those who have actually lived a downtrodden life is huge. Those that don’t actively help people, but instead simply argue theory on the internet all day are the worst. I myself am a total hypocrite, which is why I’ve generally unplugged from politics since Bernie dropped out.

>>15418017
>What is it that draws pseuds to Marxist teachings?

is it the 1970's??

>>15418966
>you think the marxists on /lit/ are all university elite grad students?
no, but all the marxoids I personally know are. you’d be better off not assessing the value of ideologies based off people claiming to represent them on /lit/, that way lies madness

>>15418955
>>15418915
What I'm saying is that you're 100% deluded if you think your average leftist has more compassion for/honestly cares more about people than your average /pol/tard. At least the latter is honest.

>>15418997
kek damn you're right

>>15418017
It presents itself as rebellious and dangerous to the system when it's anything but. A very useful (and efficient) sink for safely sublimating the transformative drives of youth.

>>15419008
But doesn’t a given /pol/fag only have empathy for those who share his belief, skin color, and nationality? It seems that that form of “empathy” derives not from the emotional drive, but from a pride from those aforementioned immutable characteristics.

>>15418982
join class unity caucus, show up to votes. they're online as long as quar is happening so it's minimal effort. you could help them wrest the DSA from the hands of the identity politics poisoned graduate students, or at least give it a college try before the whole fucking thing implodes under catty infighting in two or three years.
The only thing that can save us now is an AOC OnlyFans.

>>15419030
Do you genuinely believe that your average college grad leftist honestly gives a shit about LGBT/minority rights beyond how much virtue he/she can signal through them?

>>15419030
It's more like an expanded version of the empathy people have for kin. This might sound incredible to you but that's actually how it works.

>>15419008
Nonsense. The incels on /pol/ are literally sociopaths. Whereas the emotion of empathy is one of the few attributes common to the entire left.

>>15419061
>we have actual empathy, unlike those subhuman fucking incels
Anon...

>>15419061
You are unironically not smart if you genuinely see the world in such comically crude terms

It's the atheism and materialism.

>>15419061
>Whereas the emotion of empathy is one of the few attributes common to the entire left.
Yeah, Mao Zedong really cared about the poor

>>15419076
I never specified my political affiliation.

>>15419079
It's not crude, it's just accurate.

>>15419061
Anon, this is literally a child's view of the world. Are you sure you're over 18?

>>15419058
It just seems strange to empathize with one group of people who share the same suffering as the other group, but one group is justified in the minds eye of the viewer because of some juxtaposed narrative of white genocide.

>>15419087
It's basic Psychology 101. Read a book some time, ignoramus.

>>15419058
That's a very unchristian worldview.

>>15419087
Ideas are salient and do not need an age to designate their quality. Like when I call you a huge faggot. It’s about discovering truth. Again, like when I call you a huge faggot.

>>15419112
So this...is the power...of the marxist mind...whoah.

>>15419119
Seethe.

>>15419119
To be fair, I'm not even a Marxist and I can also tell you are a massive faggot.

>>15418017
I resent this. I'm a pseud and I created my own degenerate ressentiment fueled ideology. Anything else is just lazy.

IM EMPATHETIC OK AHHHHHH

>>15419100
>Read a book some time, ignoramus.
doing a real bad job convincing us you aren't a Marxist

>>15419140
You forgot your Wojack

>>15419147
>reading is for marxists
Yikes

>>15418017
Marxism has been commodified by Liberal Capitalism in most Western countries. Left-liberals are attracted to it because if offers an edgy aesthetic. Very few modern 'leftists' actually understand Marx or Lenin.

>Yeah I'm a Marxist Leninist, how could you tell?

>>15418047

>>15419190
Seethe, cope, dilate, etc.

>>15419256
Based.

>>15418567
What a cringe post. Cringe.

>>15418120
Stop getting definitions wrong then

>>15418188
>complaining about a strawman when he constantly does the same about leftists

>>15418120
>arguing semantics and definitions
They don't argue "semantics and definitions" with people who have a basic understanding of the subject matter. Only with utterly clueless brainlets like yourself. Educate yourself before spouting off like a retard.

>>15419438
It's not a stawman if it's the motivating cause of the core theory

>>15418631
No, that’s just what happens when a superpower like the USA tampers with 3rd world politics. There’s not a lot they can do.

>>15419538
You wish, cumdrinker.

>>15419576
>the USSR was third-world

>>15418017
Marxian economics provide me the most benefit, simple as.

>>15418091
>bitches about having to read to understand a concept
>fails at shit posting on lit
No u

communism will win

>>15419592
We weren’t talking about the USSR anon. Go further back in the thread.