/lit/ - Literature

Quelle originalité.

>>15403349
euh

>>15403349
You say this but Japanese slang etc is going this route as well in terms of word harmonization and speaking out the front of their mouth

>>15403349
Agreed French sounds like dogshit. It looks nice though. The written language is pleasing to the eye, it makes you want to play with it, I think it seduces writers.

I bet you're first language is English.

>>15403349
>French sounds like a cat with hairballs in its throat trying to speak Italian.
>>15403362
>Agreed French sounds like dogshit.

>>15403349
Making french sound good in an everyday conversation requires effort people are unwilling to make, and a mastery over the language that the majority of its speakers lack. However, arranged properly by the mind of a good writer, it sounds amazing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmcsIwWKmGg

Like English speakers, french speakers have degraded in quality.

Old French has better phonology, more consistent grammar and is a better language in general. It's a shame what happened to French https://youtu.be/VCJuBm-J43E

>>15403390
sounds sort of Italian

Spanish speaker here. Of the Romance languages French is the worst, it sounds like someone constantly trying to clear his or her throath of phlegm. Brazilian Portuguese is a close second, it sound like retarded gibberish.

>>15403349
>Le classique qui écrit sa tragédie en observant un certain nombre de règles qu'il connaît est plus libre que le poète qui écrit ce qui lui passe par la tête et qui est l'esclave d'autres règles qu'il ignore.

Art need rules. The harsher the rules, the better the art.

>>15403424
do you think Baroque counterpoint is the peak of western art music?

>>15403362
Why doesn't it sound like it's written? That seems like a major flaw.
>inb4 b-but English

>>15403368
your*
and no, it isn't.

>>15403349


There is actually a theory that sustains that all classics emerged from countries (therefore languages) that were impires and through their military and political expansion reached cultural greatness.

Yeah, French is an ugly language backed by centuries of dominance (not anymore of course).

>>15403368
Can the French go one minute without mentioning the English? Absolument sans loyer.

>>15403449
>Why doesn't it sound like it's written?
The retards up at the Académie française.

>>15403436
I do think that Matthäus-Passion is the greatest work of music that I've ever heard.

>>15403449

French isn't hard to read, it just may be tricky to write. In English there is absolutely no way to deduce pronounciation from writing and vice-versa.

>>15403465

And that's a very silly statement, mongol literature is a niche while italian literature has been very influential.

>>15403349
Native speakers told me that the French Academy (L'Académie française) ruined their language. Apparently the current rules for the written language represent an older version of the language (17th, 18th, 19th century French, I don't remember) and not at all how modern French is spoken. So that's why it's not written the way it's spoken, because the Academy tried to make the language look pretty rather than properly representing it in written form.

>>15403497

No one cares about what the Académie says, that's a meme.

>parlez vous francais?
>speak you french?
why hasn't the french language gone extinct?

>>15403504
It doesn't matter if they care or not. They have followed their rules whether they like it or not. Like "t" in the middle of verbal compositions or whatever.

>>15403513
>had had
>that that
pourquoi la langue anglaise n'a-t-elle pas disparu?

this whole thread is nonsense
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpRhnqp_8rc

>>15403513
I think that's because it's conjugated so the word order is flexible. When English bothered to conjugate the verbs for pronouns you could do that too
>speakest thou

>>15403526
Because the Anglos have pushed the entire world's shit in

Only two French men btw

>>15403519

The importance of the Académie has been vastly overestimated in the codification of French, it rather happend at the Court through influential writers who set the tone for the entire country.

>>15403545

Who cares about that silly game for trepanned plebeians?

>>15403568
It's not really about the game, but about the general way in which things are headed in France.

>>15403528
Modern Frenchies don't sound like that. They sound like negrofied mumble rappers
https://youtu.be/rD--OdhdJfg?t=398

>>15403578
yeah, its seems all western nations are headed towards the American negrified future

>>15403608
I'm not even American, though. Nice try. That still doesn't change the fact that your country is getting negrified while America is only getting hispanic'd.

>>15403623
>while America is only getting hispanic'd
>only
top kek, so cow shit is better than horse shit? good to know. also I'm not french, I'm not even from the west.

>>15403637
Yes, Hispanics are preferred over Negroes.

>>15403641
>he doesn't know that hispanics can include negroes
>he doesn't know that "hispanics" in the US are niggers but with straight hair and lighter skin

>>15403641

Where are you from?

>>15403656
You haven't met one in your entire life, pajeet. Stay irrelevant.

>>15403668
>pajeet
so quick to assume, Pedro?

>>15403707
No. I'm not American nor Hispanic. Use your poop brain, pajeet.

>>15403726

t. Ahmed

>>15403726
at least have the balls to say where you're from. let see how great you are. :^)

>>15403734
Uranus

>>15403735

That means Ahmedistan.

>>15403730
>ahmed would defend america and Hispanics
he's an el goblino mutt

>>15403349
>how to squander a post's potential with just 45 words
>>15403424
Both of the classic languages are far looser and more intuitive than French however.

>>15403743

You come surely from a third-world shithole anyway.

>>15403771
>You come surely
nice syntax

>>15403781

And in spite of your grammatical virtuosity, you're still ashamed to tell us from which shithole you come from.

>>15403802
>a non-French, non-American, non-Hispanic faggot engages in conversations about such people
Imagine being this irrelevant. Get a life, pajeet.

>>15403802
I already said Uranus.

>>15403816

Imagine being so ashamed of the shithole you live in that you don't dare to name it on an anonymous board.

>>15403758
>Both of the classic languages are far looser and more intuitive than French however.
I know the whole jewish deconstruction plot made us forget about it, but the rules of languages are not the only rules that can apply to literature.

>>15403802
>>15403707
Shut up, pajeet faggot

>>15403899
ay ay ay me guesta, cabron. say el pasedo cartel cocaina, ay ay ay

>>15403899

I still don't read the name of the shithole you come from, why? Is it so incredibly shitty, shitty beyond redemption, that you fear to trigger instant laugher if you name it?

>>15403836
Imagine being so toxic and distinctly retarded that people can tell where you're from just from reading your reply in an anonymous board.

>>15403916
Wrong guy. I'm here to bully the minority with you, bro.
>>15403913
Shut the fuck, mary con!

you all need to go back to /int/

>>15403925
>im here to bully the minority
>implying you're not some type of mystery meat
post eyes, I bet you have poopoo eyes. xd

>>15403349
french sounds good in small doses, but watch a subbed french film and you will want to blow your brains out by the halfway point.

>>15403935
This

>>15403945
Actually you're right, Im black xD

>>15403935
>t. ALejandro
CORRE CORRE, AY AY AY AY, LA MIGRA IS HERE!!

>>15403597
Fuck really? that mumble speak? We have our mumblers in the anglo sphere, dont get me wrong, but this is crazy.

>>15403913
Is this what you imagine the guy who fucks your oneitis says all the time, pajeet?

>>15403969
Modern French phonology naturally lends itself to mumbling. Old and middle French are crystal clear in comparison.

>>15403894
I know, but that also means that the French language isn't an inherently better equipped heir to classical literature than English or Italian

>>15404028
You can thank the Parisians for that one. Bunch of pretentious giga faggots.

I speak english, french, portuguese and japanese, out of those french is the most beautiful to me followed by japanese, not only listening, but reading as well.

I feel very lucky to be able to read À La Recherche du Temps Perdu in its original language as well.

>>15404114
How can you speak all 4?
How old are you?

>>15404114
I speak English, French, Spanish, Portuguese and Italian (three natively, taught myself the other two). And I would rank them like this:
1. Italian.
2. Spanish.
3. Portuguese.
4. French.
5. English.
Italian being the most beautiful, English the least.

>>15404114
French sounds like garbage. Its only redeeming quality is the literature. I couldn't imagine dealing with frogs everyday. It must be hell.

>>15404114
you can't learn japanese

>>15404150
Anglophobe

>>15404126
>How can you speak all 4?
I thought that was mostly normal in this board, I don't think it's much, I wish I could learn german, latin and italian as well, but I've decided to put that effort into other things.
>How old are you?
28.

>>15404150
This is an accurate ranking.

I once spent a fortnight in Quebec and mingled with the locals as best I could. They have a terribly strong Quebec accent - from my point of view the language they speak is not even French. How many times did I have to write down what I wanted to say rather than waste precious minutes trying various pronunciations of a seemingly common word?

>>15404150
>WOOOOOAH NO WAAAAY THIS GREASY EUROPEAN SAID ENGLISH BAD!!!!!! HE'S SO CULTURED!!!!!

>>15404150
This but swap English and French.

>>15404184
I never implied English is bad. Learn to read.
>>15404172
You should learn to read as well. I'm just comparing the languages that I know in terms of beauty.

>>15404176
Non

Je suis monolinguale mais j'apprends le francais
I wish I was quadralingual though; knowing Japanese would be great.

>>15404202
The only thing I dislike about Japanese is that they use the Chinese writing system. Wish they've come up with their own.

>>15404150
>three natively
What do you mean? That's possible?

>>15404216
Should've gone Latin desu

>>15404202
Japanese isn't that hard, just fairly time consuming, these days there are several techniques to learn Kanji faster, but even then it's still 3000 to reach the level of the average native, the grammar is not hard though. I really like it, sounds very beautiful to me.

>>15404218
Yeah, I lucked out with Spanish and French immigrant family.

>>15404236
If the Japanese are so smart, why don't they come up with a better system?

>>15403513
>Based and superior frogspeak allows you to swap position of verb and pronoun to change from statement to question
>This triggers the pea brained angloid
Top kek

>>15403513
>language different from mine in very minute way
>why language no dead?
are you retarded?

>>15404256
I personally like Kanji though, and I think most japanese also prefer it that way instead of changing to some simpler system, not because of beauty or purity, but mainly for tradition.

>>15404283
>but mainly for tradition.
A tradition which is not even their own but rather a Chinese import.

>>15404287
Japan came from China.

>>15404315
If we go far enough, humans came from Africa. We're talking modern times, though.

>>15404376
>If we go far enough, humans came from Africa.
false

>>15404391
yea, but you get the idea.

>>15404150
For me, its:
1. Italian
2. English
3. Spanish
4. Portuguese
5. French

>>15404401
>>15404150
Did 19th century French sound like the monstrosity it is now in the current year?

>>15404410
Nope, someone posted a nice video a few posts ago showing the differences.

>>15403449
>filtered by orthography

>>15404419
No, I understand it, I just don't like it.

>>15403390
why did they add so many more words into the same thought?
whats wrong with the french?

>>15403362
If you think the language spoken by the modern city-dwelling Frenchman is dogshit, you haven't yet heard any of the patois or the North American variants. The equivalent to Cajun would be the thickest redneck Appalachian accent imaginable, the sort where you figure that the speaker has some sort of brain damage.

>>15403597
glad i stopped learning french

>>15404480
Cope. You were too dumb to learn it in the first place.

>>15403597
I hate that disgusting R sound in Modern French. It has even contaminated German and Hebrew. GGGGGGGGRRRRRRR. Fuck off.

>>15404488
i..i was making progress ;_;
i only picked it because the large shared vocabulary

>>15404496
The guttural R only entered the language in the late 18th century. And yeah it's gross.

>>15404425
No, you don't.

>>15404533
I do. I took French in uni.

>>15404496
It ruined European Portuguese. Literally they took that sound from French.

Chowder

>>15403349
It’s beautiful fag

>>15403349
French should never be spoken, only read.

>>15403758
>>Both of the classic languages are far looser and more intuitive than French however.
Indeed, that is why they were, after much debate, recognized as below it in the Querelle des Anciens et des Modernes.

It's only after you've learned French that you realise they don't even read their own literature. All they read are translations of American/English novels and non-fiction.

>>15405791
>All they read are translations of American/English novels and non-fiction.
How can they be so based?

>>15405791
>All they read are translations of American/English novels and non-fiction.
Absolument faux. Quelle abomination, ce thread.

>>15403513
>>15403529
No one uses inversions to ask questions in spoken French nowadays except in the most formal of circumstances (at least that’s the case in Parisian French, though I suspect it’s the same for the rest of the country).

French is merely Latin spoken by drunk Gauls

I grieve for the loss of Old English because of these fuckers. It's an infinitely more beautiful language.

>>15405825
Learn a second language you romantic retard.

>>15403528
Great movie

>>15405791
Deleuze thought Anglo literature was better than the French variety.

>>15403422
okay, lisp faggot

>>15405831
j'ai déjà appris le français, connard

>>15405737
Lmao no. See this >>15403597

>>15405863
hum hum

ahah bite bite chatte cul cul ahaha mdr j'aime le foutre sur les tarte tatins ahah fragrance de cul

Ok low iq pleb keep seething

Only posting here to say
>>15405791
Wrong
>>15403479
Based
>>15403597
Shit.
The guy got medieval French pronounciation horribly wrong and his modern French accent is disgusting, some of the most limp french I ever heard. Nobody talks like that, parisians, provincials, bourgeois, proles, no one.

>>15406027
Cope. Most Parisians talk that way from my experience

>>15406027
got it "horribly wrong" yet it still sounds orders of magnitude better than the trash fire that is modern french

>>15403349
French girls talking seductively and moaning sounds really nice...

>>15404150
from best sounding langauges to worst sounding

1. swedish
2. japanese
3. spanish
4. english
5. german
6. italian
7. portugese
8. french
9. arabic

>>15404150
from best sounding langauges to worst sounding

1. swedish
2. japanese
3. spanish
4. english
5. german
6. italian
7. danish
8. dutch
10. russian
11. portugese
12. french
13. arabic

>>15406223
they sound annoying after a while. after the novelty wears off.

Italian is the best sounding language. So pleasant to the ear and nice to read as well. I'm not even Italian btw

>>15403513
Do you understand the concept of a language being DIFFERENT you fucking mongoloid?

>>15406741
It's overrated.

>>15406300
>Swedish first
>Danish seventh
>Spanish third
>Portuguese eleventh
You realize those are extremely similar, right?

>>15406920
it's underrated, actually. french is overrated.

>>15406930
it's the differences that matter. he chose right.

>>15406935
Italian is a poor man's latin. French at least has some personality of its own.

>>15406973
It doesn't matter how you perceive it, what matters is how it sounds, and Italian sounds better. It's also better for poetry.

>>15406999
It sounds like shit, two italians talking sounds like two effeminates debating each other
>It's also better for poetry.
Doubt, why would it be?

>>15406999
Italian sounds funny and very serious at the same time. Kinda like the British in the Anglosphere, but as Latin language. It's very based.
t. pédé de la France

>my language manly
>other language womanly
You people are faggots and have no ear for anything.

>>15407018
>two italians talking sounds like two effeminates debating each other
At least they sound like humans. Two frogs talking sounds like Donald Duck arguing with Duffy Duck, both deepthroating some other character.
>Doubt, why would it be?
It's more phonetically consistent which lends itself for an ease in rhythm and poetic metre.

>>15407035
Fucking imbecile traitor, french is far more beautiful than italian

>>15407059
>Fucking imbecile traitor, french is far more beautiful than italian

>>15407050
>At least they sound like humans. Two frogs talking sounds like Donald Duck arguing with Duffy Duck, both deepthroating some other character.
Not at all, french is much more charming
Italian is plain ugly and artificial
>It's more phonetically consistent which lends itself for an ease in rhythm and poetic metre.
You don't even have a source for that crap

>>15407106
>Not at all, french is much more charming
>Italian is plain ugly and artificial
Modern French is very artificial. Lots of rules and exceptions made only to make the language appear more pretty. But the the spoken tongue is absolutely inconsistent dogshit where half the letters are not even pronounced. I blame the Parisians and their faggot varierity what got too popular. French could've been so much better.
>You don't even have a source for that crap
It's no secret that Italian is far more phonetically consistent than French, yes. See pic rel.

>>15407141
Where would japanese be in that list? Highly regular?

>>15406999
>It doesn't matter how you perceive it
>what matters is how it sounds, and Italian sounds better
Are you actually fucking retarded?

>>15403349
Never fucking learn another language.
All great literary nations had great aversion towards learning the language of foreigners. Greeks, French, Russians, and others. Albeit this is not a guarantee, it is necessary.
Learning another language is destroying your brain.

>>15408127
No.
>poor man's latin
>french has personality.
All meme perception. That faggot hasn't engaged with Italian proper. He's coming from a place of superficial perception.

>>15408160
>Romans defeat Greeks
>hey bros, wanna teach us and our children your language and culture?

>>15408160
sounds like monolingual cope. most of the great writers knew at least one language other than their own.

>>15408178
I'm talking about broader trends, reddit.
Not particulars.

>>15408199
Yea, you're talking about the common man and I'm talking about writers. Of course most people don't even learn a second language. There's nothing new about this.

>>15408218
Aristocrats are wrong in assuming that elevating the plebeian is not the best way to assure individual greatness. Fascists are right.

>>15408237
Oh, you're a /pol/fag autist. My bad. No further replies.