/lit/ - Literature

>>15398597
>The Bible and the Quran are considered to be the two most important books ever written
we're off to a great start, here is a tip, read the Tanakh, both the claims of Christianity and Islam crumble when compared to the original Hebrew texts.

>>15398623
>read the Tanakh
You mean the Old Testament

>>15398682
nah, its TANAKHH, got to emphasize on the "khh" sound

>>15398623
>>15398682
I heard the New Testament is much better than the Old Testament.

>>15398623
>>15398687
next this idiot is going to suggest the bloody talmud

>>15398623
but the new testament is the fulfillment of all the prophecies in the tanakh bro. it's mosaic law and hebrew worldview which crumble in the face of christ

>>15398707
>N-no, not that ebil book, t-the power of christ compels you
this is why goyim are cattle, by HaShem, I pray that meschiakhh comes soon, so we can btfo the goyim once and for all.

>>15398682
>>15398682
Christcucks are scared to read the tanach because they'll realize how deliberately mistranslated their "old testament" is
Christianity is a religion built to control the masses and does this by
1. Lying that Jesus fulfills the messianic prophecies of the Old Testament, which he doesn't
2. Interpreting the New Testament however they want to totally ignore what Jesus actually said and control their NPC followers.

Catholic Church for its first 1500 years explicitly shows this. Evangelical Christianity in America today is the modern manifestation of this.

Christianity is theologically fucking garbage. Judaism and Islam provide guidelines for its followers to live and how to run a society, but 2000 years of Christcuckery has allowed people to do whatever they want and claim anything as Christianity because the religion is so vague and dumb it can be used to say anything a reader wants

>>15398719
>the unchangeable, ineffable and eternal word of God crumbles in the face of some 1st century hippie

>>15398724
Ashkenazim are converts.

>>15398731
Take your medication.

>>15398597
Only the bible when I was a christian kid

>>15398724
>>15398733
>>15398623
>Eat pork
>Pray to a statue
>pray in whatever language they want to
>Attack the entire world with a savage brutality and thirst to convert in order to control
>Believe in a trinity of Gods
>Believes God can manifest in human form
>Needs God to be a friendly human man because a god with no beginning and no end encompassng all concepts of reality and unreality is too scawwy
>Only care about the Old Testament when it can be used to hate gays,
>b-b-b-but muh bacon lard

What is unclear about "no images of god"? Mohammed isnt even god and they don't show him to avoid blurring the lines of who is worshipped, Christianity actively prays to a statue

How is Christianity an Abrahamic Religion?

>>15398747
>Ashkenazim are converts.
Yeah, Jesus wasn't a dirty gefilte fish eater you inbred Italian POS

>>15398782
they're following the lying nazarene and Paul, but it's alright, they'll get btfo'd when true moshiach comes.

>>15398799
Muslims believe Jesus, Isa, to be the Messiah.

Also, Ashkenazim aren't Jews, they're inbred converts.

>>15398707
yes

In the Oven of Akhnai, Rav Eliezer performs what Christian idiots would call "miracles". Jewish theology knows that Moses didn't split the sea, God did. The performance of miracles does not mean "messiah" in Jewish theology, and for Jesus to be the Messiah as proposed by all christianity, he has to be the Messiah according to Judaism. Hes not. Take the goypill

>>15398811
> Muslims believe Jesus, Isa, to be the Messiah
thats heretical to you, christcuck. they deny his divinity. he is nothing but a man to them. now you want to be all lovey dovey with the muzzies when your false beliefs are threatened?
> Ashkenazim aren't Jews
not an ashkenazi
>inbred
projecting.

>>15398816
Inbred fake-Jew!

>>15398821
At least you're not ashkenazi

They're very boring

Important doesn't mean good or interesting

>>15398597
This post screams “I’m in high school and would love to have an objective few of the world.” Either that or bait.

>>15398821
>they deny his divinity. he is nothing but a man to them
Yes, a man who happened to be the Messiah. They don't think Jesus was God in the flesh but the Quran claims that Jesus was the Messiah.

>>15398871
> They don't think Jesus was God in the flesh
yeah and that is a big heresy in your evil faith, got to give it to the muzzies, at least they got the concept of Moshiach right.

>>15398799
The Council of Jerusalem was where Christianity openly decided to trash the Law just so it could seem palatable to the Pagans they wanted to convert and control
>>15398843
>Niggers deserve poverty due to their low IQs
>Ashkenazi Jews have higher IQs than thick browed goyim
>Ashkenazi Jews do better than goyim
>m-muh excuse for racism

Charedi and Chasidic Jews have inbreeding problems but they're all just antagonist NPCs so its fine

stupid goyim

>>15398888
Isaac Newton was a devout Christian who didn't believe in the Trinity. There are entire Christian denominations that reject the First Council of Nicaea.

>>15398895
>uses yiddish
obviously a fake Jew

>>15398912
> There are entire Christian denominations that reject the First Council of Nicaea
yeah and that is A BIG HERESY, whats with the mental gymnastics? you're trying to prove that fringe christians groups are right?

>>15398821
If Jesus wasn't the Messiah then who was, the Buddha?

Or are you still awaiting some vague warrior Messiah type, like Samson, who will favor Israel and put the gentiles in there "place?" Proud idiot...

>>15398912
> "The Lord is One"
>"No graven images"
>Prays to a statue who represents 1/3 of a trinity
>Cites Isaac Newton for theology when his dumb goy brain realizes its been fed lies

>>15398978
Yes, we still wait for Moshiach (may HaShem hasten his coming) and no, Moshiach is supposed to bring universal peace, there will be no more wars or ignorance, of course, J*sus didn't fulfill that, he said it himself, he came to bring the sword.

>>15398978
ok, goytard

>>15398949
>that is A BIG HERESY
whatever you say Constantine

>>15399009
fake Jew

>>15398999
>>Cites Isaac Newton for theology when his dumb goy brain
Do you think inbred fake Jews are smarter than Newton?

>>15398843
imagine hating Jews while still being Christian as if Christianity isn't the most successful Jewish mind control scheme of all time
>>15399019
Nice to hear you believe everything you read on the internet. How's QAnon going?

>>15399035
If only there was a contemporary physicist who were Jewish and smarter than Newton, damn you're right. Got us. We Jews have no business competing with your big goy brains in physics

>>15399000
>he came to bring the sword
no

>>15399050
>implying einstein was smarter than Newton
lul

>>15399061
You must share his passion for eating mercury

>>15399050
The Ashkenazim aren't Jews.
You are but an inbred gentile.

Speaking of incest, fun fact, Einstein married his first cousin, what a genius!

>>15398731
>implying that Catholicism/Evangelism/Protestantism represent Christianity.

Catholicism by its nature was conceived due to the churches wanting more power and is trash as an ideology. Orthodoxy is a much better representation of what Christianity is.

>>15399758
>Orthodoxy is a much better representation of what Christianity is.
sheesh, you sure you want to make that statement?

>>15399777
Yes, because it's literally true, Catholicism is heretical by definition as it was brought about due to the schism. The word orthodoxy itself means "right belief".

>>15399827
>>15399758
Will you not serve?

>>15399827
What are the primary differences between Catholicism and Orthodoxy?

>>15398597
They suck.

>>15398597
Yeshua HaMashiach, if Jesus was born of a virgin then who is his physical father?

>>15399966
Who is the physical father of Adam? And what of Eve? If God can make Man from clay, and Woman from the Rib of Man, why would he not clothe himself from the womb of a virgin?

>>15398597
Quran is dog-shit written by a pedophile

>>15399993
Adam was born of the dirt, Jesus was born of the spirit. Is it a sin to lie?

>>15399910
Aside from the filioque issue, what it really boils down to is that Catholicism is all about punishment and conformity to an all powerful and just punisher, while Orthodoxy is about freedom of choice, because in Orthodoxy hell is the absence of God, which is just the natural consequence of choosing to disconnect yourself from Him, not some elaborate punishment.

>>15400067
Christ was not born of the Spirit, but of Mary, and Adam was not born, but made.

>>15400009
Mohammed was illiterate he didn't write the Koran and for the most part it wasn't written down at all. People memorized it which is why there are different versions, not that muslims like to talk about that.

>>15400442
Mary is Jesus' father?

>>15400455
Men do not give birth. What are you on about?

>>15400009
Agreed. It's just a fanfic best-of collection of Christianism and Judaism that tries to imitate them, but frequently contradicts itself.

Judaism is the true religion, Christianity and Islam are theologically wrong and incompatible with the torah, no matter what christcucks or muzzies tell you.

>>15400453
There is only one version of the Quran that’s accepted by esteemed Islamic scholars. It’s the version that everyone recites and knows by heart. Hadiths on the other hand have disputes

>>15400567
>christcucks or muzzies
You must be so enlightened

>>15400586
yes, thank you. The term "shabbos goyim" are also compatible with them, since they suffer and die for a God that they don't understand. :^)

>Abrahamic autists btfo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfzriULmrvA

>>15400579
Because we're supposedly dealing with the dictated words of God the text was standardized in 650 a, doesn't change the fact that different versions exist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanaa_manuscript

>>15398731
>1. Lying that Jesus fulfills the messianic prophecies of the Old Testament, which he doesn't

>>15400853
>my mistranslated, out of context and almost esoteric arrangement of names proves Jeebiz true!!!
pathetic, is this the last resort christoids have?

>>15400875
>Direct genealogy
>out of context
You have the entirety of the NT in Genesis 5, in the boring part most people skip.

>>15400902
>he ignores the whole picture
based retard, the problem isn't the genealogy, the problem is the mistranslated names and attempt to correlate those names with christian theology, This just proves that Christians don't have any legitimacy or proves from the Hebrew bible (old testament) and so resort to these weak attempts

>>15400930
>mistranslated names
I know chutzpah when I see it. Kys cutfag.

>>15401005
> Mahalalel = the blessed God
and you have the nerve to talk about chutzpah, fucking hell, you christoids are subhumans

>>>15400930
>mistranslated
God made all languages, pleb.

>>15401037
based, this is the most retarded attempt at refutation in this thread, accompanied with that gay pic, hmmm yes, 10/10

>>15400598
>uses yiddish
>doesn't know ashkenazim are converts

>>15400598
>>15401095
The Ashkenazim are not Jews. They don't understand religious metaphor and end up misreading everything, creating meaning out of nothing.

They read the Talmud because it makes them feel special despite everyone hating them for being grotesque and dishonest.

>>15398597
Both were influenced by Plato so Plato is more important

>>15401203
The Holy Bible influenced Plato, you nincompoop.

>>15401203
Not to mention Plato tells you what, how and why. The Bible only tells you what.

>>15401218
Socrates was actually Jesus.

>>15399116
>The Ashkenazim aren't Jews.
>You are but an inbred gentile.
>Speaking of incest, fun fact, Einstein married his first cousin, what a genius!

>>15401127
>The Ashkenazim are not Jews. They don't understand religious metaphor and end up misreading everything, creating meaning out of nothing.
>They read the Talmud because it makes them feel special despite everyone hating them for being grotesque and dishonest.

>>15401056
I'm sorry, who destroyed the tower of babel and scattered the nations?
Go fuck yourself trantheist faggot.

>>15401203
this. It's extremely to see Plato and Aristotle's influence on Islam

>>15398597
Wrong, The Da Vinci code is the most important book ever written

>>15400501
What gender is a spirit?

>>15398597
Not Quran yet. Are there any good secondaries?

>>15398782
>How is Christianity an Abrahamic Religion?
It isn't. Christianity is an Adamic religion. "Abrahamic" is a false term invented by modern pagan liberals to push their polytheism and materialism by collapsing completely distinct religions into one another.

>>15398912
>devout Christian
>didn't believe in the Trinity

>>15405000
at least you're very creative with your copes.

>>15401220
>The Bible only tells you what.
t. never read the bible

>>15403564
I might be posting cringe because idk about how well it's received, but I really like my Maulana Muhammad Ali Quran. It has a bunch of footnotes for various verses, and takes a liberal or rationalist stance which I find refreshing.

>>15398695
The OT has lower lows, but consistently higher highs. I will say all the gospels, some of the epistles, and revelation are GOAT though.

>>15398623
the old testament is literally just a collage of priestly accounts that has been edited countless times and wasn't really a thing until the fifth century BC
putting it in the cannon was a mistake

>>15405896
>the old testament is literally just a collage of priestly accounts that has been edited countless times and wasn't really a thing until the fifth century BC
>putting it in the cannon was a mistake

>>15405000
>Tell them I am the God of Abraham, the God of their fathers

>>15405896

The Old Testament - "There exist one God, creator of heaven and Earth"

The New Testament - "Follow the footsteps of Jesus in order to win favor with God"

>>15406459
This might be why Christianity spread so far and Judaism spread so little. If it weren't for Christianity, the West would be different, probably a lot worse.

Nowadays the West has become very secular and seems to be getting worse.

>>15398731
Based and emet-pilled.
>Christianity is theologically fucking garbage. Judaism and Islam provide guidelines for its followers to live and how to run a society, but 2000 years of Christcuckery has allowed people to do whatever they want and claim anything as Christianity because the religion is so vague and dumb it can be used to say anything a reader wants
So incredibly based and emet-pilled.
>>15398799
Soon, be'ezrat HaShem.


This thread made me happy, seeing how many people are on the correct path, and not braindead.

>>15398597
How about the Book of Mormon? Has anyone here read that? Honest thoughts please.

>>15406504
Never read it but have heard weird things about Mormonism. Heard Mormons believe that if you are good enough, you become a God in your next life.

The beliefs of Mormonism turn me off, nevertheless, the Mormon people are always top self. I've never encountered a Mormon who wasn't cool.

>>15406527
I can expound or answer questions if you'd like.

>>15406489
>>15406527
Be Cool like Christian
Not Asshole like Ashkenazim

>>15406541
I'm not Ashkenazi, I'm a Sephardic BVLL, wh*Toid chr*stcuck.

>>15406459
>The Old Testament - "There exist one God
You'll excuse me but
Hahahahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahah

>>15406554
You seem unwell friend

>>15405851
Out of curiosity what do you think about the Yusuf Ali translation?

>>15406537
What is considered more important to most Mormons, the Book of Mormon or the Holy Bible?

>>15406564
Not him but it's bad
Not like the guy doesn't know Arabic, he clearly does, too well in fact
It's that he deliberately fucks around with things to make it modern and approachable to foreign readers

>>15406563
I'm pretty well, thanks for asking mate.

>>15406489
>emet-pilled.
Based. May HaShem grant you the life of a good golem in olam habah. Are you available next Shabbat?

>>15406564
>>15406574
It's the same problem with Maulana actually
They clearly know the language and the text but the word choice is very frustrating and biased

>>15406586
Available for what, ahi?

>>15406570
The 8th article of faith:
8 We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.

“I told the brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than by any other book.” (History of the Church, 4:461.)

The Bible is vital (especially James 1:5-6), but the Book of Mormon is what The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has as it's keystone.

Pardon the music with this video, but the message is important. Jeffrey R. Holland is one of the modern 12 apostles:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkKblIMfmjI

not trying to shill the church, just convey the importance of the book.

>>15401259
>>15406541

Is it true that Ashkenazim are synagogue of Satan?

>>15406574
>>15406588
Though quite clearly conservative translators have done the same, like in the obvious and admittedly low hanging fruit of the Sahih International translation. What translation would you akhis recommend then?

>>15406596
Sounds interesting, might give the Book of Mormon a read one day. DESU, I also want to read the Quran and Holy books of the Sikhs and Bahi'a.

>>15406626
Meant to type DESU, not DESU. Sorry about that

>>15406626
Hugh Nibley (a scholar who passed away in the 90's) did a lecture series on the Book of Mormon (and pearl of great price), going through how deep it is.
Here's a link for that if you have like 35 hours you want to burn through:
https://www.youtube.com/user/nibleybookofmormon/videos

>>15406636
T.B.H. without periods becomes DESU, 4chan is weird

>>15406622
Pickthall or the OWC translation
Despite being the world's second largest religion and probably largest in a century depending on how things play out, there haven't actually been any "great" translations of the Qur'an quite yet

>>15406644
>how deep it is
>some crank freemason cult-leader's schizo rambling
yeah okay bud

>>15406644
Cool, thank you

>>15406598
>Is it true that Ashkenazim are synagogue of Satan?

No one knows but can you think of another group of dishonest fake-Jews?

>>15406674
See, a lot of critics say that, but there's way too many connections to the bible and other history things to have it truly be the case.For example: the use of Chiasmus that reflects the unique Judaic style or how an un-educated farmboy could possibly have 18+ different, distinct writing styles and talk about unique things like Olive tree horticulture without any possible access to resources to look it up.

Again, not trying to shill, but definitely worth more than a disdainful shrug-off.

>>15406626
I want to read the Buddhist Sutras. Christian and Buddhist philosophy complement one another.

>>15406695
>>15406695

>Is it true that Ashkenazim are synagogue of Satan?

Jesus didn't write the book of Revelation.

If Jesus was able to forgive the Romans despite them killing him, one would think that he'd also forgive a sub-nation of inbred Italians despite them being dishonest and grotesque.

>>15407779
Does anyone other than Ashkenazim like the Ashkenazim?
Personally I always try to avoid these people. Had a few friends where the Dad was Ashkenazim, but if the Mom is Ashkenazim then the offspring is insufferable.

>>15408483
Race Mixing 101

If the Mom is a Jew then the kid thinks like a Jew.
If the Mom is Chinese then the kid thinks Chinese.
If the Mom is Greek then the kid think Greek.
But if the Mom is Ashkenazim then the kid is annoying, lol.