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>>15384499
scientism

>>15384499
Is his point that if there was less injustice and pain, we could respect God? Where's the threshold? Do all people agree with him on the line?

>>15384499
In respect to your OP, there's that line I think Aristophanes wrote about Alcibiades
> "A lion is not to be reared within the state; But, once you've reared him up, consult his every mood."
The second part is why you should respect a capricious and mean-minded, stupid god... because you don't want him to be mean-minded and capricious towards you!

>>15384499
The Gospel of Joe Pesci. Fail to respect him and he'll hit you with a baseball bat.

>>15384499
Watch The Tree of Life. Human suffering is nothing in comparison to God's creation. We are merely a tiny part of his enormous and glorious world.

>>15384526
>watch all dah pwetty gwaphics, goy
Fuck off.

>>15384499
>le pederast face

>>15384534
>HURRRRR NO GRUG SAY NO U BAD!
Brilliant engagement, brother.

God also feels your pain (literally) and he does it in the name of freedom. So you can neither call him a hypocrite or say he doesn't have a good reason.

>>15384584
So, kind of like Bill Clinton?

>>15384499
We first have to assume that god is real thought

>>15384499
So where does the injustice come from, does it pop up like mushrooms in the morning?

>>15384499

>if god real home cum bad stuf fhappen

Don't we have this thread every day?

>>15384499
Fear of being burned in the lake of fire is why you should respect/fear God.

>>15384615
It's part of God's design. Cope.

>>15384636
And the answer is always the same: because Yahweh is a sadistic demon.

>>15384515
that just sounds like might makes right with extra steps

Have western atheists ever bothered refuting non-Abrahamic belief systems like Jainism, Zoroastrianism, Neoplatonism, etc.

>>15384705
What, so it's not something fun like Yaldabaoth and his archons slipping into flesh to commit crimes? That's disappointing, guess it's just more of humanity trying to off-load the shame of its inequities on someone else again.

If Fry doesn't believe in God, where does he get this idea of "injustice" from? Of "good" and "evil"?

For atheists morality is just a survival tactic for social animals. Early hominids worked together, as they weren't able to survive alone. However, they didn't do it out of altruism, but simply because it was advantageous. Humans have since then given morality divine and immutable status, just to keep everybody in line with invisible chains and whips. But it is just an artificial construct. Everybody is in the group for purely selfish reasons. There is no love, compassion, or selflessness - these are just delusions for the weak.

It can be much more advantageous for the individual to break this moral code, as it is a slave morality - designed to prop up the weak, and keep down the strong. In fact, there is nothing wrong with murder and rape whatsoever, as long as it is advantageous for you. From the evolutionary standpoint, rape is clearly the way to go, just for the propagation of your genes. Murder is just natural selection at work, also a tool to ensure your own and you children's success. Just look at Cain, how fucked he would be if Abel got to have children, and they would compete with his own progeny. Instead, Cain went on to found cities and populate the world. We are all his children, while Abel might as well have belonged to a different species

>>15384712

>Yahweh is a sadistic demon

So close to the truth and yet so far

>>15384746
fuck off meme faggot

>>15384743
Who is Seth?

>>15384499
This is stupid, if God is a big powerful meanie, you better respect or he will push your face in.

>>15384763
Seth is just a copy-paste of Cain, without the murderer part, different author probably a later addition

>>15384743
>If Fry doesn't believe in God, where does he get this idea of "injustice" from?
Are you clinically retarded? Morality is incompatible with theism.

>For atheists morality is just a survival tactic for social animals.
Total bullshit.

>Early hominids worked together ... blah blah blah
You are confusing "is" with "ought". This entire paragraph is irrelevant.

>In fact, there is nothing wrong with murder and rape whatsoever, as long as it is advantageous for you.
You are one sick son of a bitch. Perfectly illustrates the point that theists are immoral sociopaths.

>>15384781

>NO YOU'RE WRONG I'M NOT LISTENING LALALALALA
The post

>>15384781
Prey tell, how can morality have any foundation other than evolutionary in your atheist worldview.

>>15384767
^ The cowardly "morality" of theism in all its glory.

>>15384767
HOLY BASED. Imagine actually being an atheist just because you don't like that God doesn't bother explaining everything to you, and living a worthless life and then getting thrown into the lake of fire when Yeshua returns. HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>15384794
Are you joking? Pain is bad, and you are not the only person on Earth. The rest follows.

>>15384792
>"listening" to a post that blatantly confuses "is" with "ought"
Lmao.

>>15384804
>Pain is bad
What is bad? Some artificial construct you have in your mind? May I remind you, that you're just a lump of atoms. "Bad" is not a quality found in the material world.
>you are not the only person on Earth
???

>>15384499
There is no evidence injustice or pain ever existed

>>15384813
>What is bad? Some artificial construct you have in your mind?
WTF? Go hit your knee with a sledgehammer a few times if you are uncertain whether pain is bad.

>>15384810

>>15384804
>Pain is bad
It's not pleasant, but you're going to have to unpack that. Are people with congenital analgesia fortunate to not feel it when they hurt themselves?

>>15384826
You are fucking stupid

>>15384833
>Confusing "is" with "ought" is a typo
You just outed yourself as a clueless moron. Finish grade school before posting on /lit/ again.

>>15384712
Have you considered the scenario that you may be a craven and masochistic soul, who went to buy these experiences from a jew spirit?

>>15384804
You're a literal sjw dog. "Pain" is extremely broad. Offending someone and causing them emotional distress could be called " inflicting pain"

>>15384836
There are many varieties of pain, just as there are many factors contributing to one's long-term well-being. Congenital analgesia only provides immunity to one type, at the expense of vulnerability to others.

Catholicism and Calvinism created this problem, now we have a bunch of people rolling around in their own filth blaming God for it. Human beings are NOT inherently evil, our natural state is living in alignment with natural law which is blissful. You will feel happier when you help another person, but hyper intellectualization and autism prevents people from being good and aligning themselves correctly

>>15384826
It's just my neurons firing, the information is then interpreted by my brain as being disadvantageous to my survival. If hitting my knee with a sledgehammer was how I reproduce, I would probably find it to be pleasurable. It's all just evolution.

>>15384534
Cringe.

>>15384781
>Morality is incompatible with theism.
Why? Human morality hasn't improved the world, not one bit. Why should I respect this human morality that produces so much suffering?

>>15384810
>>15384841
>one day on less-wrong.org

>>15384499
Because without a fall we would not be able to experience redemption, nobody forced Adam to sin.

>>15384858
So you are an NPC with no consciousness? In that case, killing you would be okay.

>>15384841

Point is you're being semantic and pedantic over grammar rather than addressing the central point you low IQ mong.

>>15384856
So it's sensory and emotional experiences then. God is evil because humans can experience negative stimuli and emotions?

I don't give a fuck if you're atheist, agnostic or a believer, but cmon.

>mean-minded
Free will isn't evil.
>stupid
First off that's offensive, second there's no evidence given for God's supposedly stupidity.

>>15384873
>Confusing "is" with "ought" is being semantic and pedantic over grammar rather than addressing the central point
Stop digging, pseud. Finish grade school before posting on /lit/ again.

>>15384869
> consciousness
is that like a soul or something? I thought you weren't a theist. You're just atoms going brr brr dude, there is no soul.

Take the Taopill
Why do something when you could just not?

Atheists don't worship morality like they want to signal. Don't be fooled for a moment. They are evil, egalitarian subhumans who want to genocide qualia off the planet and species, because it is a major disadvantage to their heavily mutated, inferior, autistic DNA.

>>15384887
>is that like a soul or something?
Nope, not even close.

>>15384895
take your meds

>>15384897
How do you define the difference?

>>15384902
The soul is purported to be immaterial. Consciousness is a neurological phenomenon.

>>15384781
>You are confusing "is" with "ought". This entire paragraph is irrelevant.
What? I've reread that post again, and I see nothing. Lay off Hume bro

>>15384901
Already did.
>Knowledge, God, morality, dignity, self-worth, hierarchy, holiness and most importantly, beauty
These are all medicine against the vile atheist NPC scum infesting our societies, voting for the left social policies, capitalist right wing policies, open borders and prison planet, grey cubes from USSR to modern age, from America to China, Africa to Europe - there can only be prison blocks where people used to live.

>>15384886

You have not refuted a single statement or engaged a single point rather than a pedantic grammatical one. You are, in fact, dumber than a grade schooler if that's your only argument.

>>15384781
This post devoid of a single refutation or argument.

>>15384909
So a simple neurological phenomenon is enough for murder to be wrong? Why is this phenomenon so special? It's just some pattern in matter. There are billions of those on this planet.

>>15384916
>I see nothing
You can say that again, dumbfuck. There's literally an entire paragraph on the behavior of "early hominids".

Discourse and those who engage in it are retarded.

>>15384909
Our concept of matter has changed, and will change as we gain knowledge. You're stuck in an autistic matrix of boolean values. Take the quantum leap of faith and come to terms with the non-duality.

Metaphysics should at some level join with physics. It is inevitable. However, we may be unable to bridge the gap - just as pixel-beings may be unable to bridge the gap between them and the wider world.

>>15384932
based and sexy

>>15384930
And? It just says how morality developed to structure their interactions.

>>15384923
>>15384924
Educate yourself, brainlet: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fact%E2%80%93value_distinction

>>15384895
Such a cop out. Christians are way in over their heads thinking that their brand of man-made doctrine is the only way to have humanitarian standards

>>15384927
Pain is painful by definition. If you are a bot, you won't understand.

>>15384781
>You are confusing "is" with "ought".
He’s not. He’s in fact, making that exact point to the atheists. The Is-Ought problem is only relevant if you’re a scientific materialist. Most atheist are, which makes their sociobiological justifications for morality (a la Sam Harris) retarded. Theological moralities are ontological, so the is-ought probkem isn’t relevant, after all they’re self-referential anyway. Without an ontological foundation for morality, “good” and “evil” are just relativistic placeholders that can be changed arbitrarily.
>Morality is incompatible with theism.
Please explain, because the whole philosophic canon is in disagreement.

>>15384743
>rape is clearly the way to go
based

Secular humanists are just kidding themselves, deep down they all know that egoism is the only way their worldview makes sense

>>15384953
So, you've based your whole argument on feelings? LOL

>>15384937
No, it doesn't.

>>15384956
>The Is-Ought problem is only relevant if you’re a scientific materialist.
False. It's basic logic.

>>15384728
only one of those even exists and it’s totally irrelevant, so of course no one would take the time to “refute” it

>>15384953
So if can cause a complete anestesia before killing someone, it’s okay?

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