/lit/ - Literature

>>15353341
>They see biology as a obstacle
>Carnal pleasure must be maximized at all cost, this is what they believe.
Wow you're an idiot

>>15353341
>They see biology as a obstacle, something that must be overcome. Carnal pleasure is the primary function of life and must be maximized at all cost, this is what they believe.
What in the fuck

Why is this a bad thing? Humanity was an eradication of neanderthals, what's wrong with becoming a more efficient machine god?

>>15353341
The Classics.

>>15353508
>>15353515
I think he is saying that the left wants at the same time to make everyone completely equal in how they behave (denying biology) and at the same time completely hedonistic. He just wrote in an awkward manner.

>>15353508
>>15353515
Are you people dumb, don't know if trolling or not.

>>15353515
Sexual pleasure is an amazing tool at sublimating revolutionary forces into something harmless.

>>15353545
Yes, precisely what I mean. Biology that pertains to limit the hedonistic desire needs to be denied, i.e Age (Adult and Child) or Family roles (Father and Daughter).

>>15353545
>the left wants at the same time to make everyone completely equal in how they behave
This is nonsense though, someone can support abolishing cruel caste classifications while simultaneously celebrating human diversity. Equality doesn't mean homogenization regardless of what rightoid paranoid schizophrenics would have you believe

>>15353545
>>15353549
Thats not what you wrote fuckface. 'Carnal' pleasures derive directly from biology. I swearto God some of you niggerbrains use words without ever even beginning to grasp their meaning.

>>15353578
>Carnal
Definiton:
>relating to physical, especially sexual, needs and activities

>>15353574
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/gender-restrictions-parenting_ca_5e30b2abc5b6e8375f645a56

Is that why they are pushing for "gender neutral parenting"?

>>15353609
There is no they retard

>>15353612
Yes, there is. The left is promoting gender neutral parenting.

>>15353578
You are just trying to pretend you didn't understand what he meant in order to divert the discussion. I would recommend the OP to ignore you.

https://voca.ro/g7jj3V0DjGD

>>15353341
How many Sargon of Akkad videos did it take to swallow such a redpill, fellow kekistani? These fooking lestist marxists are trying to fuck our kids!

>>15353341
>he thinks most of the right don't want the exact same thing

>>15353341
Who are these Technocratic Leftists?

>>15353341
>They see biology as a obstacle, something that must be overcome.
Soubds based as fuck. Why wouldn't you want to overcome your organic form?

>>15353653
People like this, for example:
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/oureconomy/coronavirus-crisis-shows-its-time-abolish-family/

Plato wanted to abolish families 2400 years ago. Do you have any argunents against alternative forms of upbringing other than plain fear of change? The institution of marriage hasn't been exactly incredible throughout history. I mean outside of your nuclear family (in itself a propaganda) fantasies two-parent marriage was for the most part either a political, or an economic convenience and not much else.

>>15353341
There is no need to refute people like in this article >>15353662
It is just idealistic twaddle, therefore I submit that the following meme best describes the situation.
>NOOOO YOU CaN't jUST FREELY ASSOCIATE INTO A HOUSEHOLD!
>HaHa, family life go brrr

>>15353703
In "The Republic", Plato was not attempting to design a real city. "The Laws" were the book where Plato did it. And there he didn't "abolish the family".

That said, at least you are honest in that you say you do want to abolish the family, unlike some others who try to hide what they want.

>>15353662
That was an incredibly retarded and faggoty piece of writing but I don't see the technocracy in it.
>In L.A., state officials are providing individual trailers and pop-up isolation cabins for the houseless. But a far more logical response might be: open all the hotels and private palaces on the basis of airy and light-filled, sanitary (uncommodified) housing for all. Free all prisoners and detainees now, remake the care facilities as spacious self-led villages, and dismiss all the workers with full pay so they can leave their bunks forever, move in with their friends, and pursue laziness for at least the next decade.
This 'queer communist femme' is arguing for the abolition of work and the equal distribution of resources. Nothing particularly technocratic about it.

>>15353341
I've always been wondering, why is sexuality so sacred for leftists? Why is it a zone that must not be regulated under any circumstances and all societal changes must correspond to the free-reign of sexuality

>>15353703
I've never seen a proposed alternative to marriage that is simultaneously possible to implement, sustainable and functional with current technology.

>>15353764
>I've always been wondering, why is sexuality so sacred for leftists?
https://www.firstthings.com/article/2014/12/is-sex-necessary

>>15353764
It's not even sex. They want to invert sex. They've made sodomy synonymous with sex.

>>15353341
Leftism is actually about making the vices to be virtues and vice versa.

Take the 7 deadly sins. Pride, greed, wrath, envy, lust, gluttony, and sloth. All of them are considered virtues by the left.

>>15353515
>>15353508
>>15353341
hierarchy opposed narcissists would have been a better way of putting it.

>>15353764
because you never get laid

>>15353341
>technocratic leftism
>describes the effects of capital
what did OP mean by this

>>15353904
Suppose this is true. I don't know that anon, so I can't say anything.
If that anon gets laid, will leftists have a more realistic view of sexuality?

>>15353904
>>15353922
it's true, but my question still stands

>>15353341
explain what is wrong with eradicating those categories besides some vague notion of “degeneracy”

>>15353785
Well in that case you have nothing to worry about, if marriage is so based and important it'll never be deposed for anything else.

>>15353917
technocratic leftists are the flesh avatars of capital

>>15353341
>so what, what's wrong with destroying all notions of gender and race?

>>15353942
It won't be deposed in the long run (at least until robots and AI render it obsolete), but if people can be convinced that marriage is a senseless tradition with no practical use, it will be replaced for a more progressive and "rational" alternative.

Eventually society will figure out its mistake and revive marriage, but until then it suffers.

>>15353940
See, this way of thinking is a flaw of absolute rationalism. Anything that can't be properly explained is automatically labelled as useless and an obstacle to progress.

Some traditions and ways of organizing society have been tested over millenia, and they survived and spread precisely because they work. Regardless of how well they can be explained by current human understanding, they have a record of working better than the alternatives that challenged them. For this is not the first time humans thought it was a good idea to re-model their society and culture, you are not pioneers. Others have strayed from the tradition of their time, and created something different, with a wide range of varying results.

This is not to say that a rational analysis of our culture is not useful, or that tradition should be upheld simply because it worked in the past. What is important to remember is that current human understanding is not perfect, and many things that seem useless at the time are often later found to be essential.

>>15353341
They don't see it that way.

They see it this way: In order to make Leftist ideals a reality, humanity will need to be rendered subservient by technology in order to knock out our natural inclinations towards tribalism and individualism. Once this happens, we'll probably lose our want for pleasure altogether and change entirely. Leftists believe they'll be able to enter a utopia of pleasure through this, sure, but in the end the higher power of AI or a human collective mind will probably subjugate them and put them to a task that helps the wider goal of expanding our species.

>>15353845
Traditional human hierarchy is inane bullshit, it's not necessary anymore. You might want a king because you have daddy issues, but the problem is you not people who value freedom

Who are these mysterious "they" you guys keep talking about? Jews again?

>>15354189
Take your meds schizo, "they" is specified in the OP

>>15354222
No I want names, political figureheads. "Technocratic Leftism" is a boogey, next we'll be fighting Ecofascist Freemasons, Theocratic Industrialists, and Cryptohistorian Hedonists

>>15354237
"They" is refers to a group of people who's collective interest involves oppressing you. "They" don't need to be aware of the oppression or plot around oppressing you, they just do it as a consequence.

>>15354179
But it still exists. Onus is on you to prove that it doesn't. Oh wait you can't. :)

>>15353626
no this the projectest of projections. it's literally you - diverting discussion away from the central misunderstanding on which OP's ideas rest, and which once resolved would advance the discussion to new grounds for OP and allow him to move towards a real refutation. you are an enemy of thought in all its forms.

>>15353549
you're the one who's dumb

>>15354299
I seriously doubt that

>>15353341
The eradication of all "biological" categories would lead to the annihilation of desire, making "carnal pleasure" entirely redundant. That is not an accurate representation of what is happening. Rather, it is the eradication of categorical structures in general that they seek to dismantle– not the rigid forms of biology itself (only transmedicalists think this), but the categories of the understanding themselves, how we talk and distinguish different races, sexes, genders, etc.. The problem occurs because the process of subsuming biology into a linguistic field of enquiry is an explicitly feminising process. the rigidity/fixity of matter is being hollowed out and dissolved into a solution that is all surface, no volume– sexuality becomes a pure play of appearances.

The 'primary function of life' they seek, in this sense, is not carnal or material pleasure, but FEMININE desire, which is overwhelmingly dictated by fantasy or the imagination, IE. the non-real realm of categorical abstraction. Even male sexuality is being severed from its purely reproductive/physical domain and forced to take on a signifier that has no physical correlate (the fetishisation of trannies is a clear sign of this symbolic castration). Under the current conditions, this is the only trajectory for society– sissification. The process of categorical dissolution is nothing less than the consequences of the realisation of the feminine (through feminism and the sexual revolution), nothing less than the becoming-real of fantasy and the abolition of the physical world.

Has there been a single instance in entire history where the freight train of progress was ever reversed? Conservatism is basically the ideology of pissing against the hurricane

>>15354349
Ever heard of the Fall of Rome and the Medieval times? Traditionalism will rise again

>>15354349
Gaius Marius walked into the roman senate with like 600 guys with swords and pretty much ended the republic right there.

>>15354374
The empire was more degenerate and multiethnic than republic, nothing really changed other than some tribulations at the top.

>>15354446
Gaius Marius lost.

>>15354349
True but everyone hates the modern world, just for different reasons. The less and less oppression and prejudice in the West the angrier and angrier the Left becomes because they lose their meaning and purpose. As traditional family structures and community is weakened and denigrated the angrier and angrier the Right becomes.

The only saving grace to all this is that for all the Globalist Left’s pathological altruism and worship of empathy, they have no understanding or courage to accept human/animal nature.

The future is mass wealth redistribution and Basic Income. This will absolutely not make either the taxed or recipients happy. This will ignite a guerrilla civil war which will probably lead to outright war.

Intertwined with human nature is the human spirit which must be crushed in order implement global homogenization. This attempt to crush the human spirit will act like the explosive shell of a nuclear bomb igniting its nuclear core.

>>15354529
>hooman nachur
>hooman speeret
>coorage
>poorpose
I'm glad these larping manuals of Neetshay, Guenon, Gibbon, Uncle Ted and whatnot filled your head with cool concepts, but in truth human nature is quite simple and never extended beyond the need for food, shelter, and warm hole to stick it in. Tales of heroism and all that shit never quite worked out because they're only fiction, easily crushed by mundane realities. Perhaps when these evil technocratic liberals plug you into the matrix you can live out your King Arthur D&D campaign endlessly till the end of time.

>>15353341
>I have realized that the Engame of Technocratic Leftism is the eradication of all biological categories; i.e Sex, Age, Race and Family roles.
How did you come to that conclusion when all the rhetoric from modern Leftists reifies these categories and reinforces "victimary" relations? If anything women are framed as victims of men, nonwhites are victims of whites, the young are victims of the old, the child is the victim of the parents, etc.

>>15354597
Forgot to write that really, all post-war Western Left-wing thought views everything through the lens of the Holocaust, decolonization/desegregation, the revolutions of '68, etc., society is conceived of as being made up of various classes with victimary relations between them.

>globalism is inherently left

what a meme. Globalism is, as everything else, driven by the money and it was sure as hell not lefty who first said "wow, let's have a philippino do your Job for half the money".

>>15354632
To be fair you kind of have to give this one to right wingers at the present moment because 99% of the people who identify aggressively as leftist are indistinguishable in geopolitics/foreign policy from capitalist landlords who want infinite free labor slaves importable, "fungible," createable and destroyable any time they want.

Take the most odious capitalist globalist nonsense about open borders, tell it to some hip woke self-identifying leftist and he'll agree with it. Now I agree with you that this would make Marx spin in his fucking grave and all that, but it's not about what's objectively true, it's about what people can reasonably be expected to feel after putting up with this forever.

>>15354597
>If anything women are framed as victims of men, nonwhites are victims of whites, the young are victims of the old, the child is the victim of the parents, etc.
Yes, yes and yes. But what is their solution? Eradication of categories. Children should not longer be beholden to their parents, whites are mixing with blacks leading to a "cappuccino utopia". Masculinity is dismantled, women enter the workforce and taking on the same roles as men, blinding the line between the sexes

>>15354584
You sound like you would enjoy being a battery

>>15354371
you must be over 18 to post here

>>15354723
Not really, they aren't interested in eradicating racial categories because then there wouldn't be victimary relations.

>>15354657
Leftists were anti-globalization c. 1999 because they thought it was oppressing brown people, by 2020 they realized it was actually making them richer so they were for it. It's simple really.

I'm coming for your penis porky

>>15354739
You don't know what you're talking about dude. You think leftists want victims? They want to eradicate all notions of class, category and distinction, creating a melting pot of people. Leftists are the most anti-diversity people in the world

>>15354750
>You think leftists want victims?
Not exactly, they believe that victimhood status is permanent.

>>15354632
>>15354657
Leftism is the religion Globalism needs you to accept in order to grow and expand. “Cultural Marxism” and the forced leveling of everyone is the method of commodifying human labor and consumption which is the final step or end stage of Globalization.

Like Chomsky said, Capitalism is anti racism only because it’s anti human or something to that effect.

average IQ of this thread has to be hovering in the sixties

>>15354743
>implying globalization is good for the average nigger
>implying globalization is good for anyone except a few

are you retarded? Globalization literally ships food we'd throw away in the States to African countries to still fuck over local farmers on the market, that's what globalization does

>>15354791
You are a wrote follower and coward. Any deviation from publicly accepted discourse makes you angry. You are weak and pathetic which is why you were so easily enslaved by comfort and safety.

>>15354811
Most wage growth from globalization is in third-world countries - the whole point is that they aren't all farmers now because they can work in factories instead for higher salaries. China is the most obvious example.

>>15354835
Take your meds and drink some water, sweetheart

>>15353341
>what is the Frankfurt school

>>15353574
>YOU'RE actually the one who's crazy!
Opinion discarded

>>15354349
Iran

>>15354349
Yes, often. Do you know anything about history at all? America isn't the only country in the world.

>>15355094
yeah, because of Burger interference

>>15354349
The Soviet Union, mouth breather

>>15354900
cringe and bluepilled

>>15353764
All moral leftists inevitably reveal themselves to be utilitarians if you probe them enough, and sexual pleasure do to is power is a major priority for them.

>>15353759
>Pursue
>Laziness
What the fuck does that even mean? How do you "pursue" laziness? To be lazy is to not do anything. There's nothing to pursue. Just don't do things and bam, laziness achieved. I swear to fuck these retards are just paid to fill a word count and never expect anyone to read their shit.

>>15354349
"Progress" is an arbitrary term.

>>15355510
So is direction

>>15354349
>Has there been a single instance in entire history where the freight train of progress was ever reversed?

How would you even define progress?

Let's think of something that progressives see as sacred: promiscuity.
Why would the embrace of promiscuity be progress? And do you believe the history of mankind is one where we have over thousands of years accepted increasingly more promiscuity?

>>15353968
That would include destroying whatever Jewish ethno-cult you think exists, by the way.

>>15353341
>Leftists want to destroy identity
That's a weird way of saying capitalists want to destroy identity so they can sell more, but sure.

>>15356496
Market segmentation variousness identity has orient pretty successful.

It's not pleasure. Pleasure is just another base biological determination. It is much more spiritual, much more ethereal. There is something inside us that is trying to get out. Don't you understand? Don't you see? Why does our world descend into more and more inhumanity, more and more slavery, technology always accelerating, bombs only growing larger, bombs only becoming more and more subtle. Why? Aren't we the ones in control? If Nature is having a big family with a wheatfield in evropa, why isn't that what we have? How can something be contrary to its own nature?

Have you ever seen Space Odyssey 2001? You know the monolith? Even if people know the monolith is "bad for them" - they cannot help but investigate it. They cannot help but try to understand it. No matter what, they simply cannot ignore it. And that is their true nature.

There is something deeper than "human" inside us. Is it the soul? Will to Power? The Dao? Who knows, but it sure is something, and if you think you can stop it, you are mistaken.

The conservative's only function is not to go back, or stop progress, it is to stop us from going to fast and destroying ourselves.

>>15353341
>Which thinker does the best job at refuting these people?
Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior.

>>15353341
>Engame of Technocrat

TO MAKE HUMAN LIFE OBSOLETE AND EMPTY THIS WORLD OF SPIRIT

>>15353341
you do know that's the ultimate end game of AI in general right. like we can't just stagnate in a single natural state forever, eventually varience will increase to such a point that it becomes inhuman. life is either boredom or anxiety.

>>15353764
Hitler didn't like gays, you know?

>>15353341
>They see biology as a obstacle, something that must be overcome
What the fuck I'm a leftist now.

nick land

>>15353341
>Claims that "the Engame of Technocratic Leftism is the eradication of all biological categories"
>Pic related is based on a book by Baudrillard and literally revolves around binary biological categories
imagine being this retarded

>>15354584
>ideals are childish, accept ialdabaoth's eternal cock like I did

shut up bucket crab nigger nerd

>>15353341
So they want to get rid of biological categories, while also trying to maximize emotions which are biologically based.
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

>>15354334
Extremely based post.
/thread

>>15354334
Based.

>>15353341
/pol/ fags gtfo. This is pure speculative drivel.
Point me to any one policy by a major liberal politician in the U.S that aims to get rid of "biological" categories like sex or age.

>>15354334
nailed it. this sounds like baudrillard

>>15354349

>>15356555
>If Nature is having a big family with a wheatfield in evropa, why isn't that what we have? How can something be contrary to its own nature?
this part really made me think

>>15353572
So they adhere to some biological drives and seek to ignore others? This isn't any sort of grand pronouncement.

>>15353626
He said what he said. If he meant something other than what he said, he probably should've said something different.

>>15353748
>at least you are honest in that you say you do want to abolish the family
He never said that. God, is /lit/ really this bad at reading?

>>15353952
So they're not leftists then? Why not just call them technocrats?

>>15354334
>sexuality becomes a pure play of appearances
Uh...what is sexuality other than a series of acts made to look consistent due to repetition? Everything is merely appearance.

>>15354584
>never extended beyond the need for food, shelter, and warm hole to stick it in
Just the first two.

>>15358379
So no. And thus, despair.

>>15357833
lmao so edgy xDD

>>15353341
Every biological category you posted except Sex (But not gender) and Age (debatable) are social constructions

>HURRR BIOLOGY = CARNAL PLEASURE
Some of you faggots need bullet therapy.

>>15360745
Wrong.

>>15353341
>I have realized that the Engame of Technocratic Leftism is the eradication of all biological categories; i.e Sex, Age, Race and Family roles.
It seeks that now, but it will only build new ones. Simps, walletcucks... And endless shoemakers, who can't have any for their children. A full circle.

>>15353341
>They see biology as a obstacle, something that must be overcome.
This is only partial. Category [A] has something, Category [B] is envious and feels inferior. Category [B] seeks to destroy everything Category [A] likes and loves. It's hardly only biological, it's primarily spiritual.

Star Wars was too much for men to have, for example.

Holy fuck can you people read books. Schizoposting is off the charts these days

>>15353341
It's not about biology, the left is consistently antinomian. Read Moldbug

>>15353517
This.
It's a scary proposition to shed most or all of one's material base, possibly being able to retool your 'carnal desires', but the opportunities far outweigh the dangers.

>>15355282
"moral leftist" here and pleasure is pleasurable, but utilitarianism is shit

>>15358119
You got me, I've spent a lot of my lockdown reading the Jean Genie.

>>15359656
Sure, but our understanding of sexuality was, at one point, still tied to a function of sexual reproduction. But through the sexual revolution, reproductive rights, LGBT rights, trans rights, etc.. the link between a biological and conceptual understanding of sex has been severed. So to say that "everything IS merely appearance" is ambitious, given that we're not at that stage yet, but my wager is that we lack the physical/biological/evolutionary correlate for sex, so our conceptual understanding of it is simply going to drift off into the aether, lacking any kind of tether to the material world. This process (imo) is distinctly feminine as it recapitulates the abstracting force of feminine desire (IE. fantasy superseding corporeality).

>>15353517
I'd rather be a neanderthal

>>15353341
>le slippery slope
The endgame is being whatever the fuck you want in a virtual world. Be a guy and plow dozens of hot chicks one day. Be a hot chick and get plowed by dozens of studs the next day. Be a space walrus and buttfuck other gay space walruses the day after that.

>>15360745
You are retarded. You can't just call everything a social construct because you want to lol.

>>15353341
You make them seem really really based.

Fuck stoic whiteknighting heroism.

>>15359619
>So they adhere to some biological drives and seek to ignore others?
They don't see any validity in biological categories to begin with, it's all a social construct to them and it needs to be dismantled. What we would classify as biological categories i.e Family and Age is merely a construct to them.

>>15360745
Thank you for making my entire point clear to everyone, you degenerate techno retard

>>15361123
>Be a space walrus and buttfuck other gay space walruses the day after that.
So that's what girardfag meant by space taoism

>>15356482
Weird how Jewishness is the only thing never on the table for public discussion when it comes to the erasure of categories.

>>15353341
Jacques Ellul

>>15361123
Why is your post accompanied by a picture of a jezebel, which caused blood to rush to my genitals and make them hard? Was it really necessary?

>>15362034
Theres also Americaness and clasd (in the marxist sense).

>>15360745
You weren't born believing in blank canvas theory, you identified your mother and your father very quickly. If you didn't have the apparatus in place, you couldn't learn them via culture anyway.

>>15362034
Think of this parasite. How weird is it, that their victims never question them?
>https://youtu.be/vMG-LWyNcAs

>>15353517
>becoming
You're not becoming anything. We're merely the launch platform for AIs.

>>15362082
Americaness has already been destroyed because it's been made into a non-exclusive identity.
>Anyone can be American
Has the same effect as
>Anyone can be Male
Maleness and Americanness are made into meaningless categories once the criteria that defined them are removed (genitalia and blood/citizenship, respectively)

Class is also something regularly discussed in the mainstream, even if it isn't discussed with strict Marxist dialectic. Every discussion about "the 1%" is a class discussion that supposes separate identities (1% and not-1%). Ironically, the fact that the 1% is disproportionately Jewish is never brought up, only that it's "white."

>>15362143
A parasite that makes itself too obvious and visible is a parasite that doesn't survive long.

>>15353341
This is smidge hyperbolic but some version of this story is the logical consequence of radical egalitarianism. The only rational equality is equality before the law. Biological equality is a chimera and the quest for it is ultimately destructive and can only be achieved, if at all, through totalitarian measures.

Arguably there is no such thing as technocratic leftism, as this is merely capitalism that has made a business calculation that support for liberal social values are more in vogue and that this would highlight its brand image while technology continues historically unprecedented wealth inequalities. Most liberal values under capitalism are a similar front; they are implicitly about preserving class inequalities by pursuing an an illusory agenda of equality for all other characteristics.

>>15360848
A greater understanding of contemporary leftism can be gained from reading the statements of dedicated leftists on the internet than reading all of the "theory" in the world.

>>15362066
To help illustrate how you could fuck her or be her and that any posthuman would naturally want to. Only OCD fringe freaks would want to prevent people from having such diverse experiences.

>>15362291
so true, fucking leftists doesn't even believe in their own bullshit. Arguing for open borders is a clear proof of this

>>15362887
How?

>>15353341
Their endgame is the destruction of life as we know it and diverting the natural evolution into satanistic techno evolution.

>>15353341
Base superseed superstructure. There is no technocracitc leftism ideology outside of Capitalism bubble. This is not something that appeared in a vacuum.
>We need to stop them before it's too late.
Then be prepared to abolish Capitalism. Or maybe you don't want to? Then why are you complaining.

>>15360804
poor midwit

>>15353845
This is a cope mentality and I can't think of anything technocratic shitlibs want more than a ruling class of soulless CEOs to rule over the horde of bugmen consoomers. Self-improvement could only ever be about striving to be the top of that pile of shit.

>>15353828
This is the most retarded thing I've read today, thanks for setting the bar

/pol/ was a mistake.

>>15365836
dilate

>>15353341
this is a movie script trope that everyone already knows about.... literally only a few people in the world are willing to chop their limbs off. The rest have already watched terminator and ghost in the shell

>>15363039
Open borders lead to brain drain, and capitalists have an incentive to attract unskilled labor to lower the wages, exploitation of, not only the migrant, but also the domestic citizen is thus ensued by the corporations. Marx (and his contemporaries) never wrote a single sentence on migration, but I can assure you that they wouldn't advocate for something that puts the individual (a persons "right" to move freely) before the collective.

Leftists who deploy open borders rhetoric do so from a Liberal standpoint, Leftist literature has nothing positive to say about open border migration, yet you're called a Fascist for suggestion that we might want to close our borders.

>>15365533
>Or maybe you don't want to?
The endgame of Capitalism is pic related, and it's equally terrifying. The Communist-Capitalist dichotomy is a meme, I don't have to choice either one.

>>15353341
They won't succeed so it doesn't matter.
The average cuck can't be helped anyway, and it doesn't matter what he believes.
Meanwhile the intelligentia are perfectly aware that biological truths are unchanging and immutable.
Let them mislead the peasants. They're completely useless anyway, no matter what they believe.

>>15366055
>The Communist-Capitalist dichotomy is a meme
How do i know you are unread? Let me guess, you must think communism is something like the USSR, and that communism is supposed to be organized by a State?

>>15366348
It is a meme, there are higher things in life than the economy, and if the economy must be structured to enable these higher pursuits, then it was the problem to begin with. >>15366348

>>15366038
>Marx (and his contemporaries) never wrote a single sentence on migration
Marx was against immigration. Quote from Marx (from memory), in Das Kapital Vol.1: "the aim of Capitalism is to replace men by women, women by children, and one Yankee by three chineese."

>>15366371
Or can you attain high spirituality with shit material living condition, like wage-slavery?
You think you can elevate yourself spiritually after a day working at McDonald? You are probably a NEET or a student.

>>15366394
(...) For your information, Marx is not for the economy, but for the abolition of economy. That's the end game. Read Critique of the Gotha program.

>>15366394
Who are you quoting? Wagecuckery is poison to spirituality

>>15353341
>Which thinker does the best job at refuting these people?
ahahah lmao this fucking retard actually believes you can just think your way out of this

>>15366404
Yes, that's what i meant. Abolishing Capitalism is a necessity of we want to evolve spiritually. It's obvious and those who disagree are seriously alienated. How can we have authentic human relationships if most the things we do necessitate to transit throught the alenated social relationship that is money? E.G: i want to eat, i go in a restaurant, and if i don't pay, he will not give me food. That's not how humans are supposed to live in the primitive tribe. In the primitive tribe, meals, and food, were shared. Same for basically everything else.

>>15354349
litterally catholics covered up nudity from roman statues because they thought it was degenerate

>>15366650
The victrorian era brought much more prudity to the lower classes then they had before

>>15364081
Well, of course. Combinatorial evolution preceded biological evolution, which itself comes before technological evolution. But just as biological evolution needed the combinatorial evolution of particles, so does technological evolution need the intelligence produced by biological evolution.

>>15353341
Not going to bother reading through this thread but Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future and Nihilism: The Root of the Revolution of the Modern Age by Seraphim Rose are both great for this. Revelation as well.

>>15353341
no one because it's a strawman

>>15366450
The wise man, unlike the worldly man, does not see inner stillness, distraction, or fault in himself, even when living like a worldly man. 18.18

Nothing is done by him who is free from being and non-being, who is contented, desireless, and wise, even if in the world’s eyes he does act. 18.19

The wise man who just goes on doing what presents itself for him to do, encounters no difficulty in either activity or inactivity. 18.20

He who is desireless, self-reliant, independent, and free of bonds functions like a dead leaf blown about by the wind of causality. 18.21

There is neither joy nor sorrow for one who has transcended samsara. With a peaceful mind he lives as if without a body. 18.22

He whose joy is in himself, and who is peaceful and pure within has no desire for renunciation or sense of loss in anything. 18.23


Spirituality is above petty material considerations. And capitalism is a symptom, not the cause. The cause is viewing everything through the lens of reason.

>>15366414
OP is only wrong in thinking something needs to be done. The project is failing.

>>15366743
mate i don't think the impending sea of low-iq mud people is going to attain any of that

>>15353341
Except they spend all their time on creating and legislating new and creative categories.
Literally the reverse of what you think.

>>15366732
I don't necessarily disagree with this. However, i bet you are not in the wage-cage, or that your cage is not too small.

>>15353922
>>15353935
it means anon is projecting his sexual obsession onto a malevolent other ("leftists") so as to feel a sense of control over his own destructive urges

>>15365788
not an argument

>>15353578
So do all pleasures. What is your point?

>>15353584
No https://www.oed.com/view/Entry/28064?rskey=xlcUr2&result=3&isAdvanced=false#eid
Don't got an OED subscription? Don't talk about definitions.