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15335423 No.15335423 [Reply] [Original]

Does God actually forgive you? The Bible talks about mercy, not forgiveness.

>> No.15335444

You can only be forgiven by a traditional Catholic priest, but sadly only a handful still exist in the world as we're living in the great apostasy. You're shit out of luck, God is very angry and has a special place set up for you in hell

>> No.15335473

lol, let me create this people full of flaws and with loose instructions given at a random desert and see who will blindly follow it but will condemn them eternally because I couldnt have been more clear in either making them or instructing it

>> No.15335497

PERSONAL CHOICE DEFINES WHO YOU ARE, AND WHERE YOU GO.

>> No.15335519

>>15335423
each man must bear his own karma

>> No.15335527

There are several passages in the Bible that indicate that God forgives and forgets our sin. Isaiah 43:25 says, “I, even I, am he who blots out your transgressions, for my own sake, and remembers your sins no more.” Hebrews 10 explains how Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross for sin was a once-and-for-all sacrifice. Unlike the sacrificial system of the Old Testament, in which sacrifices were continually made for sin, Jesus paid for sin once. His payment was complete. Hebrews 10:14–18 says, “For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy. The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says: ‘This is the covenant I will make with them after that time, says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds.’ Then he adds: ‘Their sins and lawless acts I will remember no more.’ And where these have been forgiven, sacrifice for sin is no longer necessary.”

These passages make it evident that God does not remember our sins. However, God’s “not remembering” is not what we usually think of as forgetfulness. God is omniscient. He knows everything, and He forgets nothing. However, He can choose not to remember something. In human relationships, we can choose to remember the offenses someone has committed against us, or we can choose to forget. To forgive someone, we must often put painful memories out of our minds. We don’t actually forget the sin, and it’s not that we are unable to recall the offense, but we choose to overlook it. Forgiveness prevents us from dwelling on past troubles.

Rather than treating us as our sins deserve, God removes our sins from us “as far as the east is from the west”—an immeasurable distance (Psalm 103:12). Think of travelling around the globe. When does one stop going east and start going west? It is impossible to say. When we are saved, our sins are completely forgiven. This is what the writer of Hebrews is talking about—Jesus made a one-time sacrifice that completely removes our sin. In Christ, we are justified (declared righteous) before God. Romans 8:1 tells us there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ. Romans 8:31–39 is a beautiful discourse on our security in Christ. Sin has no say in our standing with God. We are fully accepted and declared righteous in Him. God does not remember our sins in the way He treats us. Instead, He treats us as righteous. Second Corinthians 5:21 says, “God made him who had no sin [Jesus] to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.” In this way, God “forgets” our sins.

>> No.15335568

>>15335423
>And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors...
>For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. (Matthew 6:12, 14-15)
Try reading the Bible before saying stupid stuff. This is straight from the Sermon on the Mount, i.e. the most famous passage of Christian scripture.

>> No.15336412

>>15335444
cringe, reminder that sspx has enjoyed expanded communion under supposed liberal francis and you can receive confession from any catholic church.

>> No.15336425

>>15336412
this kills the sspx shill

>> No.15336431

>>15336425
Not that I care about them or anything though, but they are so annoying, they behave like protestants.

>> No.15337140

>>15335473
Did you even read Genesis or do you just enjoy being evil?

>> No.15337159

What is god?

>> No.15337326

>>15335444
>You can only be forgiven by a traditional Catholic priest, but sadly only a handful still exist in the world as we're living in the great apostasy. You're shit out of luck, God is very angry and has a special place set up for you in hell
sedevacanism is like protestantism but applied to the magisterium

>> No.15337332

>>15335444
>You can only be forgiven by a traditional Catholic priest,
i dont remember the Bible saying that

>> No.15337376

>>15337159
ur mom lol

>> No.15337401

>>15337332
John 20:23
it's wrong to say that you can only be forgiven by a priest. if you have perfect contrition, you can be forgiven. but human beings are weak. you don't know if you are perfectly contrite; perfectly free from attachment to sin. therefore, God has granted a visible sin to us that allows us to be sure that we are being forgiven: confessions with a priest.

>> No.15337487

>>15335473
>your mind on reductionist atheism

>> No.15337555

The good thing about religion is that it's really like you believe it to be.
just bee urself, nigger
imagine believing that, if theres a god, a human can actually know what he actually wants/expects of you lmao
>just read john paul peter 4.69
kys nigger

>> No.15337727

>>15337555
Can you learn how to communicate a coherent string of thoughts before you post in our Jesus thread?

>> No.15337739
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>>15337401
i dont remember John 20:23 saying anything like that either

>> No.15337807

>>15335423
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/search.php?q=forgive&bsec=N&order=0

>> No.15337950

>>15337140
lol, its literally like that though, if you commit the unforgivable sin of being a human and doubting the existance of any of this you are already condenm to damnation whatever you do since that's unforgivable no matter how much you ask for forgiveness

>> No.15338036

>>15337950
Gibberish

>> No.15338154

>>15337950
First and foremost, 99% of questions and "arguments" laid out in these threads are answered directly and simply in the NT.
People who live in "ignorance" (which includes those given poor theological teachings) are sent to "sheol", which is not hell, but seems to be a grey and somber land, where there is no torment, but no pleasure either. There they will wait until judgement day, when their acts and works are judged. Hell is for major assholes, murderers, adulterers, abusers, and apostates.
Just read the fucking book it's honestly not very long.

>> No.15338266

>>15338154
You know christianism is extremely confusing, I get thousands of different perspectives and thoughts on the same matter and I can't really now what is the true, does that count as "poor theological teachings"?

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>>15337326
Never spoken better.

>> No.15338338

>>15337159
Logos.

>> No.15338361

No because i do not fear death but rather embrace it as the final and best reward that life can offer to mankind. Whether you believe in the true god or not you're not going anywhere after death and that's for the best. The christian God is a botched caricature of a typical ultra-orthodox greedy jew, and even Gnostics were smart enough to see through the bullshit of christianity. The fact that people are still able to ascribe divinity to a flawed and miserable demon like YHWH is indicative of a low IQ and childhood indoctrination, it is just the height of mental retardation to claim that the creator of the universe holds a bronze-age jew mentality, almost as retarded as atheists claiming the world originated from nothing.

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>>15338361
>I don't like God, therefore you should dislike Him too
Retard logic in place.

>> No.15338461

>>15338402
Your belief in God is so entrenched in the kike cult you can not literally conceive no longer anything that resembles the real creator. A Muslim would answer the same way and so would a religious jew, all three gods are anthrophocentric figment of jewish imagination made solely for social control. The true God is an ineffable entity, it is ridiculous to claim that it can speak to us much less be concerned about a bunch of insignificant evolved monkeys.

>> No.15338521

>>15338266
Yes it does. But you also know what is good, and what is ill. You know not to punch people and steal.
Truthfully, just read the NT. It's all right there, and it is very straightforward.
God made the world, man made religion. You know what is right. Accept Christ, confess your sins to him. You feel the rightness of it in your soul, Anon. He loves you.

>> No.15338528

>>15338461
>God created the infinite universe
>but it is somehow incapable of being able to understand its own creations
This is your brain on Lovecraft.

>> No.15338546

The Bible tells us that all humans have sinned (Romans 3:23). Each of us is deserving of eternal separation from God (Romans 6:23). No matter the sin—rape, murder, terrorism, adultery, theft, pride, gossip, jealousy, lying, not fully loving others, etc.—we deserve to be punished. It’s an all-or-nothing scenario. God does not judge us on whether our "good" outweighs our "bad," but on whether we will accept His way of salvation.

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God" (John 3:16–18).

God made a way of forgiveness, not just for some sin but for all of it. There is no sin that God cannot forgive. No matter what you’ve done, God will forgive you if you come to Him in faith.

There is only one way of forgiveness. God won’t forgive you because you promise to do better next time or because you make amends or because you do good deeds. No, He will forgive you because Jesus paid the penalty for sin on your behalf.

Jesus was fully God and fully human. He was without sin and lived a perfect life. But He was crucified on the cross. He died a sinner’s death. The Bible tells us, "For our sake he made him [Jesus] to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God" (2 Corinthians 5:21). Jesus took on our sin so that we wouldn’t have to bear it. He did the work and paid the price so that we could receive forgiveness.

We know Jesus spoke truth and that His sacrifice on our behalves was effective because He rose from the dead (1 Corinthians 15:3–4, 20–22). Jesus died and was buried, but He was physically raised back to life. Jesus conquered sin and death. He made it possible for us not to be stuck in our sin and guilt and shame. He made a way for us to move past despair and into true life (John 10:10). He offers forgiveness to us if we will put our trust in Him.

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>>15338461
God can express himself in any way He deems appropriate to do so. The judgment of whether how and how not He should express Himself to us doesn't concern you in the slightest. God made this world for us to enjoy and to take care of, so it's natural to assume He would want to communicate to us through any sort of means. If He didn't want to engage with us, He would not have sent Jesus Christ to bridge humanity and Heaven with a new covenant from which everyone, and not just the Jews, can be saved. The fact that you can't talk to Him isn't indicative of Him not being able to talk.

>> No.15338563

https://www.ligonier.org/learn/articles/why-forgive/

>> No.15338566

>>15338528
God does not need to understand anything because it is understanding itself, it is thought itself and it is everything within itself. It does not need to depend on anything, neither on a pack of schizophrenic followers nor on some moronic carpenter who passed himself off as the messiah. God is already flawless, it does not need absolutely fucking anything, again you're proving your sheer retardation by claiming that God somehow requires to communicate to us when he does not need to depend on anything or anyone.
>>15338553
>He would not have sent Jesus Christ
muslims see christ merely as a prophet, and jews see him as a subverter. Abrahamic cancer is and won't ever be objective nor representative of the real God.

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>>15338566
Personal opinions are not arguments.

>> No.15338588

>>15338582
christianity is a personal opinion seeing how it could never even inch close to the true god. Also avatarfagging is a bannable offense, enjoy your 3 days ban faggot.

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>>15338588
U mad?

>> No.15338617

>>15338608
not an argument, turn the other cheek and suck my cock

>> No.15338646
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>>15338617
U mad haha

>> No.15338947

>>15337555
based
>dude just rip your eyes out off your sockets if you ever watch a naughty pic lmao
>t. matthew
lol no, i won't do this, you filthy tax-collecting hippie

>> No.15338973

>>15335423
>creates eternal torture chamber for his enemies
>talks about forgiveness

>> No.15339045

>>15338973
I dont think the idea of eternal punishment for outsiders is even a invention of christianity

>> No.15339131

>>15338461

evolved monkeys lmao

>> No.15339147

>>15339131
man out of clay and woman from their ribs lol

>> No.15339197

>>15339147

how long have there been seven days in a week?

yfw every significant geographical formation, from the grand canyon to the french gorges, is proof of a massive flood that rapidly enveloped the entire earth

yfw you dont know why the sky is blue

you took your elementary school textbooks seriously lmao

And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.