/lit/ - Literature

>>15335335
Now you either embrace Jesus or you go and live in a cabin in Montana. Choose wisely

>>15335393
>ywn move to a Montana cabin with your qt tedpilled wife

why even live

Read Theodore John Kaczynski. Ellul was an academician, he spent his entire life teaching marxism at the university of bordeaux. His entire life. He was so domesticated it was forbidden, possibly physiologically impossible, for him to recognize that the system runs on electricity. Cut the power out and the system collapses forever. Endless theory exists to lead you astray, to further alienate you. These supposed great intellectuals cannot address the simplicity of radical thought. They cannot envision a revolution in concrete ways because their entire existence is dependent on the system.

I recommend L'Autopsie de la Révolution, Propagande and Le système technicien. He also wrote interesting books on christianity. Once you have done so, read Anti-Tech revolution.

>>15335646
i'd suggest reading industrial society and its future before anti-tech revolution

>>15335645
Tedpill and having a wife are incompatible

>>15335892
I don't give a fuck I'll do it

>>15335335
read linkola

>>15335335
>"I describe a world with no exit, convinced that God accompanies man throughout his history."

>>15335646
Nigga, Ellul was in the Resistance, Ted was a sperg whose main influence was Gremlins 2.

>>15335892
Literally the opposite. Read the damn book, you poser. He explicitly denotes the need for revolutionaries to have large families to pass their values of revolution down until the revolution is finally achieved (which he recognises as a multi-generational struggle).

TED-niggers with their therapeutical revolutions need to go.

>>15335999
Trips confirm.

>>15335999
your mom

>>15335990
Ted underwent HRT for a time just so he could know what it felt like to be hugged by a woman. Clearly a tedpilled wife is out the question.

>>15336023
What are you even talking about

>>15336022
Go yell at your tv.

>>15336023
the man never started HRT, though he considered it.

>>15336043
>he doesn't know about trap-ted

>>15336046
I fucking will go and yell at my TV, thank you very much

>>15335990
I know, I was mainly kidding since Ted was a lifelong virgin

>>15336023
>>15336052
it's real

>>15336068
>>15336054
> implying trap-ted would even be a bad thing

>>15336068
This is relatable, honestly. I almost fell for the tranny meme myself. It’s no wonder that I like Ted

>>15335646
>These supposed great intellectuals cannot address the simplicity of radical thought.
Radical thought violates the cosmic laws, which is why it never fucking works

>>15336068
Lol. Someone should make a meme image of this. A pepe-Ted-tranny hugging himself. Kek

>>15336242
thought is only radical relative to the status quo

>>15335892
>Tedpill and having a wife are incompatible
The thing is: I think it's really hard finding a woman who will chose to live like this. Giving up all the modern world and its conforts and "status-jocking". Even in the country.
Thus, this ideology will die out or continue to be restricted to austical loners, I guess.

>>15336299
until the collapse, that is

>>15335985
>whose main influence was Gremlins 2.
What do you mean?

>>15336320
I think he is referring to this.

>>15336308
>until the collapse, that is
So will you fuck your hand until "the collapse"?
Plus isn't having a large family benefical to your revolutionary struggle?
If so. You gotta have a way of making it appealing to at least SOME women. Don't you agree?

>>15336068
>>15336383
OH NO NO NO NO NO

>>15336391
Different anon here, there are doubtlessly some women who would be fine with abandoning many aspects of the modern world, but from my experience it is even harder to find women who are willing to give up these vanities than men. You’re right though that we can’t give up

>another Ellul thread derailed by Tedniggers

>>15336383
lmao

>>15335335
ellul thought human society should be ordered strictly on a human scale. think the difference between metric and customary measurements

>>15336023
no he didn't, he became convinced he needed a sex change but was diagnosed with acute sexual starvation

>>15336383
>implying gremlins 2 isn't pure kino

>>15336481
Why didn't he just fap and got rid of this? A puritan he wasn't I bet.

>>15336068
>>15336383
Hegel (pbuh) described this phenomenon: the mind always expands like the universe.

LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Reject technique

>>15336503
>t. uses industrial fertilizers and building materials made by robots

>>15336552
The Amish need out-Amished, honestly. I was sad to read in a book by Donald Kraybill that they are actually somewhat selective in their use of what they use and do not use. For example some use pneumatic and hydraulic forms of power, have telephones in the barn, etc. They are certainly thinking down the right lines, but they are very tangled up in technique like all of us.

>>15336577
Did Ted write this? The Amish have a huge problem with sexual abuse

A sucessful anti-technique community.
Maybe amish women are the ideal wives for Kaczinski guys. Unfortunately the ones willing to marry outsiders might be the most pro-tec of them. Maybe a solution would be something akin to the Kidnapping of the Sabine. Kek
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rape_of_the_Sabine_Women

>>15336606
No, it’s from an academic paper I read. Everything I’ve read attests to similar facts in comparison to the mainstream culture. I’ve heard about sex abuse too but the fact still stands that compared to the absolute state of the West today they’re doing great.

Reminder that the tranny TK meme is not real which is why nobody has ever given a source for it. It originates from his psychiatric report done after his arrest. That's it. The report was not made public either and the person who talked about TK's presupposed tranny tendencies is a woman who literally uses the incel tropes to discredit TK (not even the psychiatrist who did the report kek)

Bump

>>15336383
>>15336068
holy shit, how will tedfags live it down?

>>15336986
>it's not real
>comes from his psychiatric report

>>15336481
acute sexual starvation is not a psychological term. Stop lying, you can't be diagnosed with things that don't exist.

>>15338031
i'd argue that most trans neuroses are rooted in sexual starvation

>>15335393
Both

>>15336552
>uses hammers
>skews clothes
>uses a butter churn
Just take the anarchoprimitivist pill at that point. Amish are just selective.

>>15337942
>listening to a psychiatrist

>>15339445
I mean you are in therapy atm, why not.

Is there any reason to read any Ellul or Kaczynski if I've read Industrial Society and it's Future? I feel like it has enough of a basic and consise outline of the ideas. What else is there to learn outside that basic introduction?

>>15339565
If you want to transcend yelling at the tv read Ellul.

>>15335335
The solution was Jesus. Read Ellul's books on religion.

>>15336068
This proves nothing. They may as well be lies fabricated by (((them))) to discredit Ted and the Anti-Tech movement.

>>15339716
>with friends like these

I still think Neuralink has huge subversive potential. Humans who have mastered their mind will be able to directly give others a taste of freedom. And if there aren't any humans who transcended the brain, there never was any hope, technique or no technique.

>>15339565
Ellul is far more comprehensive than Ted. Read the following
>The Technological Society
>Propaganda
>The Technological System (it’s different)

reading the unabomber’s manifesto makes me feel sad anon... there is actual truth to it

>>15335393
kek. high iq post.

but yeah you should choose revolution

>>15336383
source please

>>15340376
Kaczynski is far more comprehensive than Ellul, read the following:
>Anti-Tech Revolution
>Technological Slavery, Volume 1
Technological Slavery, Volume 2 (whenever it comes out)
>Technological Slavery, Volume 3 (whenever it comes out)
>Truth vs. Lies
>Ship of Fools
>Industrial Society and Its Future
>Commentaries on Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals
>Progress vs. Wilderness

>>15340650
yep.

>>15336068
source?

>>15340928
Cringe

https://ellul.org/writings/bibliography/

>>15336068
Holy fuck

>>15340928
Lots of Ted’s stuff is outright covered in Ellul in one way or another. Ted’s stuff is important and a can’t-miss though regardless

>>15343543
t. trannylover

>Only knowing his works on technique
Read Propaganda and The Political Illusion, the man was choking on redpills.

>>15343561
I’m just starting Propaganda today, I wonder if I’ll be able to function in society by the time I’ve started to swallow the Ellulpill in full

>>15335335
Does he say anything more than Heidegger ?

>>15336299
>>15336391
If the struggle requires generations to live in the belly of the beast so that future generations may be free, then is it not the radical's necessity to live in a society, with their (as little as possible) materialistic woman?

>>15336503
>>15336552
Also has their own YouTube channel.

>>15336577
Absolutely, the success of the Amish must be understood, if not exactly followed.

>>15345000
I worry that increasing population densities for the Amish in particular will be harmful for their society in the long run, as more are forced to move into business activities rather than agriculture, fostering more capitalistic mindsets and creating a greater wealth divide within the larger community similar to the mainstream society.

>>15345161
Indeed, is their lifestyle really sustainable while they take over the Midwest? Will it maintain that growth rate and dull keep their values? Also, if rule of law collapses, can a pacifist group really survive?

>>15345214
and still* keep

>>15343543
Don't forget the essentials

>>15344463
yes

>>15345752
Ellul covers all of Ted’s concerns before that book even existed, keep trying to force your meme

>>15345778
That's true but Gremlins is essential ted-core.

>>15335335
What this guys doesn't know, is that Capitalism will collapse soon. In a few decades. Technology in Capitalism is mostly done because of profit incentives. Once this doesn't exist anymore, it's possible that there still will be technological improvment, but it will be slower. Also, many technology will be abandonned. Those that are ressources hungry, useless, or bad for health. For example, no need to have hundreds of different cars.
I think planes will be abandonned, or limited to strict domains. Same for industrial food, and stupid, useless entertainment like amusement parks.

>>15336424
You know that there are women in small villages, right? Even young one. Also, there are women who prefers the countryside to the city, but obviously won't find them in megacities.

>>15346793
>is that Capitalism will collapse soon.
Any day now...

>>15335335

>>15335335
Funny how many warnings we got for hundreds of years not to do any of this shit but we did it anyways. Welcome to the future.

>>15346988
You didn't noticed, but it has already begun.

>>15347315
>already begun
It collapsed like a hundred years ago dude. You've only ever experienced living in a consumerist monopoly.

>>15336068
Fuck, that's depressing.

>>15346793
>implying technique has anything to do with capitalism

>>15347076
It was inevitable.

>>15347044
Have you tried being angry at the news?

>>15347315
The end of capitalism does not imply the end of the technological society.

>>15344167
>tfw ate the ellupill
>literally everything is a distraction
>if you do anything they win
>if you don't do anything they win
>in any case they win
>only God can save you

>>15347816
>only God can save you
This is the final redpill

>>15335393
Imagine practicing the religion that enabled this shit in the first place.

>>15349361
Islamic anti-tech is where it’s at. Technique is corrosive to imaan

>>15336068
what's the source?

>>15336068
This read like a pulished intry of My Twisted World.

>>15336068
Kike slander
Sage

>>15336068
>but because as a woman he might wrap his arms around himself and be held by someone female
did a woman write this?

>>15345000
Will the Mormon States of America proclaim their protectorate over the Amish, I wonder. Or will they just crusade everyone around them?

>>15349361
Scientism led us to the society that we live in. If the Catholic church were able to stop the influence of the scientists in the 16th century, we wouldn't be where we are today

>>15336068
>anons not asking for the source or veracity of the claims

jesus christ

>>15353012
They’ll use whatever they can to destroy any tangentially-related tech critical thread, regardless of whether it’s relevant or even true

>>15336299
You can brainwash women into being revolutionaries. See: Baader-Meinhof (and ISIS, Al-Qaeda for that matter). This as long as there is violence/struggle involved and it doesn't entail subsisting at the bottom of the social hierarchy until the end times come. Having families does become difficult at that point.

>>15347798
Unironically yes. It's hubris to think otherwise. It'll be like the middle age again, with some technology kept, and it will be good.
Who in his right mind wants to work 12 hours a day?
In a society were we work 3-4 hours a day max, we cannot really improve technology. Only keeping the most interesting stuff that's been inherited by Capitalism.
However, we still have tremendous progress to make in medicine, since Capitalism medicine is about making people sick in order to make profit.

>>15336068
Source is apparently "A Mind for Murder" by Alston Chase.

Can't find the book on libgen to verify the claims in that quote.

>>15335646
absolutely the worst facet of Tedfags is that their stupid book gived their dimwit minds a justification for thinking that not only do they not need to read anything else, but that also anyone who reads anything else is wrong because of it.
Ted unknowingly laid out the perfect blueprints to create a cult of retards around himself

>>15353255
>t. useful fool

>>15335646
Wow, I hope they lock you up you fucking death cult worhsipper

>>15352504
The Mormon rates are based on conversions and a somewhat high birth rate. Which seem a lot less reliable of a projection than the Amish; just keep having as many babies as they do.

The Amish are pacifist though. So do I wonder how they'll do if rule of law disappears.