/lit/ - Literature

>>15325379
>Countries

faustianism
western spirit of discovery
superiority
etc etc
synthwave
the endless river, you know
follow my GA blog

>>15325379
The Bible. God granted man dominion over the beasts of the Earth. Man is greater than the savages and subhuman species of this planet so we are allowed to dominate by divine right

>>15325379
Whose country is it then?

Schmitt's Nomos of the Earth

>>15325493
BIPOCs, according to Sakaists

where do these folks draw the line of rightful clay? i mean people have been conquered and driven around every continent throughout the entirety of human history. is there some sort of cutoff date where everyone who got the raw deal before just have to deal with it?

>>15325511
>it's my rightful property, I labored on it you fucking AmeriKKKan! You're living on rightful BIPoC clay!
>"Isn't that a Lockean theory of property?"

*slaps back


Its called the right of conquest and it used to be the law before hitler ruined everything you faggot

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_conquest

Also
>Sakai
Doesn't sound very Indigenous or Black to me. Why doesn't he just go back to Japan?

>>15325493
According to Sakaism, white settlers cannot under any circumstances be proletariat because they segregate themselves into a special class from POC, which affords them special protections and privileges that POC cannot get, making white people inherently bourgeois and POC inherently proletariat. Therefore, a proper proletariat revolution in a settler society may only be carried out by the POC working to take ownership of the society that Sakaism claims that they alone created while white settlers sat back and reaped the benefits. Most modern Sakaists go farther and say that all white people must be physically removed from colonized land, either by moving to Europe by choice, by deportation, or by messier methods if they will not comply. Only black and indigenous POC have proper claim to the USA's land and resources, for example.
This mindset is very loud, but they are a minority, even among woker commies.

Sakai Is A Neoliberal
Sakai Is A Neoliberal

>whites lamenting encroachment of their established community by blacks is bad
>blacks lamenting encroachment of their established community by whites is lauded

Interesting and unbiased.

>>15325657
You Are Gay

>>15325638
>white settlers cannot under any circumstances be proletariat because they segregate themselves into a special class from POC, which affords them special protections and privileges that POC cannot get, making white people inherently bourgeois and POC inherently proletariat.
America can't even segregate its guest workers and prevent them from becoming citizens, to say nothing of the various laws we have to give blacks special treatment.

>>15325657
There's a power differential between blacks and whites, though. Appealing to moral reciprocity is dishonest here. I think the only reasonably moral approach is to recognize that 90% of blacks are basically large children - blacks actually DO need various forms of legal protection to have any chance at survival in white society.

>>15325638
So basically he says that white people don't know what it's like to be proles?

>>15325676
> There's a power differential between blacks and whites, though. Appealing to moral reciprocity is dishonest here.
Okay, this is interesting.
> I think the only reasonably moral approach is to recognize that 90% of blacks are basically large children.
Aaaaand there it is.

>>15325678
No, white Europeans can be proles. White Canadians, Australians, Americans, etc. cannot.

>>15325638
I fucking wish the POC folk were proletariat, at least they'd be useful

>>15325688
Europeans can be proles?

>>15325691
> I fucking wish the POC folk were proletariat, at least they'd be useful
> entire country built off the backs of cheap, illegal Mexican labour
Man, Americans really on some shit

>>15325694
If they are part of the indigineous people on the land and are not a part of a settler caste, yes.

>>15325713
Lmao

>>15325539
kek
>>15325379
Pic somewhat related.

>>15325625
If I recall he's one of those Japanese descended Latinos, and Latinos like to argue that they are rightful indigineous people.

>>15325686
Where's the lie though? What percent of blacks do you think would be able to care for themselves in modern society without anti-discrimination laws, AA, etc.? American leftists almost all implicitly believe this. The entire framework of the suite of anti-discrimination law is paternalistic.

>>15325733
> American leftists almost all implicitly believe this. The entire framework of the suite of anti-discrimination law is paternalistic.
This is a genuinely interesting thought that could be explored if you hadn't already signposted your obvious racism, which would very clearly discolour (haha) the entire discussion that would follow.

>>15325754
And what's wrong with that? He's not a journalist, it's not his duty to be unbiased. He's just presenting his viewpoint. No need to jump the gun and assume those with entrenched viewpoints can't provide a logical argument. You yourself admit it would be an interesting topic of discussion, so why not simply judge his arguments based on their merits rather than the potentially unstable ground from which they are drawn from.

>>15325754
If an argument is tainted simply by ethos it doesnt mean the argument itself is invalled. There are extremely biased people who have a hint of truth in what they say. If there wasnt, they wouldnt believe in it.

On the subject I could write quite a bit. But I personaly do feel the Left is largly paternalistic, but i dont necissarily disagree with them being so. In theory it may be a necissary step in reaching the kind of Equality and change in standing and culture they eventually want to reach, but that doesnt mean the process on the road to that goal isnt still infantalization. The means jusify the ends, but that doesnt mean the means should be seen as a good, but simply as a system. Thats my main problem, it is often seen that these messures themselves are good, when in reality, the goal is for them to be eventually redundent. However, most people ony see the means and not the ends, adn treat the means itself as an ends, making the infantalization a good rather than what it is trying to achieve.

Its the difference between making a strong proud black women in a movie in order to show that black women can be strong and proud, and simply casting someone who fits that bill because it would implicitly be a good fit for the story.

>>15325754
It's an outgrowth of "The White Man's Burden". It's even the same class of people voicing the sentiment. They just moved on from overt paternalism to "paternalism, but we'll say it's equality" - this is obviously a fiction, equality can't be imposed from above. Even under your preferred brand of Communism the upper echelons of the Party would be staffed by whites with some special role carved out for Afro-Americans (again, paternalism). It's simply wrong to argue that blacks and whites should be placed on the same playing field, due to both historic power differentials and the realities of inequality of ability. We actually do need things like guaranteed jobs and housing programs for blacks, black-only legal infrastructure, and so on.

>>15325798
I quite agree with you anon, but consider that the other anon who has been triggered by what he sees as racism has likely had 14+ years of schooling teaching him that *everything* a 'racist' person says must be thrown out because of how 'problematic' the speaker is. That is a lot of conditioning to overcome just to have a fair and honest intellectual discussion.

It is a pity, but it is what it is.

>>15325822

>>15325733
>>15325676
>>15325823
again

> The means jusify the ends, but that doesnt mean the means should be seen as a good, but simply as a system. Thats my main problem, it is often seen that these messures themselves are good, when in reality, the goal is for them to be eventually redundent.
The thing is, both the left and right both know that those measures are never going away. When the Right calls for "meritocracy" or "seeing people as individuals" we all know what that means re: blacks. And the Left knows what would happen to Blacks without Civil Rights protections. Again, there's a need for a "protected class" system, I just disapprove of the dishonesty of the situation.

>>15325638
>all white people must be physically removed from colonized land, either by moving to Europe by choice, by deportation, or by messier methods if they will not comply. Only black and indigenous POC have proper claim to the USA's land and resources, for example.
Sounds good. When the US of POC immediately implodes into thirdworld chaos, will leftoids finally understand?

>>15325834
I pretty much agree, I wouldnt call myself left or right and I dont necessarily disagree with either, my problem is largely one of epistemic honesty. Misconstruing means with ends, and things in appearance with things in themselves. However, I understand why these misunderstanding happen do to the nature of human psychology.

>>15325713
this

>>15325638
You convinced me to read further into this. Whence should I start?

>>15325713
Hay, Not fair.

It is also on the back of cheap extra-national chinese labor too,

>>15325713
People really believe this?
Marxists?
The left is truly lost.
They no longer cherish science and a real empirical study of reality like Marx did. They just try to fit their tribalistic and fascistic racial narrative into everything. It's pathetic desu
No way to build communism with these people

>>15325638
How does that work if a settler population produces most of the good themselves are are the largest part of the working class? I can understand this if the POC are the majority of the working class, but in places like the northern US pre-1900 or Australia most of the production was done by settlers.

>>15325964
It doesn't work. It's not supposed to be a theory.
It should be obvious for anyone with half a brain that the idea is absurd: the USA was 90% white for most of the XX century. Was it 90% composed of capitalists then? It's total madness.

>>15325964
It doesn't. For fuck's sake, he's arguing that the Boer deserved to be kicked out of their native land (remember, the Boer got to SA before the Bantu did) because of the melanin content of their skin.

It's written by a Jewish Maoist employed by a university, why would you think this book has anything intellectual going for it at all?

>>15325972
The thing is, i can understand it being true contextually. The problem is that it too strongly identifies race with the proletariot, which often is corralatory.
Haiti for example had this to be largely true. I feel like its an explanation for a trend rather than a truism.

>>15325798
It's a fair point. I will do my best if we agree to keep an open mind.

The fundamental premise of your argument assumes a sort of developmental malfunction -- Africans in the United States are like big children. This implies, in some form or another, that something went wrong in the growth stage, socially or individually. Fundamentally speaking, we can err on one of two sides of the developmental idea: nurture or nature. If you believe that Africans are fundamentally handicapped by nature of their genetic makeup, then this debate is pretty much over right now, because we just devolve into saying "I read this" and you will say "I read that", and you will say my sources are SJW bullshit and I will say your sources are modern day phrenology, and so on. This is not a useful debate to have.

However, I don't believe we believe this is the case. Anyone can interrogate the cultural milieu and find outstanding African men and women in their fields. I shouldn't have to name names here, because the list of successful African authors, poets, filmmakers, intellectuals, et cetera is long and prolific. Furthermore, we can see that in the wider world outside of America, there is an uneven geography of development across African-populated areas. Some are shitholes. Some, like Botswana or Rwanda, are developing very quickly. You can go to certain wealthier cities in Africa and enjoy a standard of living comparable to many areas in the States. So again, I don't believe that we can safely categorise Africans as fitting one or the other genetic category a la the racial categorisations of the 19th century. So, if we dispense of the "nature" conception of racial development, we are left with the "nurture".

Now, we both know what you speak of when you say "90% of Blacks". You mean the urban poor; I don't believe you're speaking of those Africans who have become successful or wealthy. The question is then: what went wrong? Even if you don't believe in the "institutional" nature of racism, we can surely agree that Africans in the United States have historically had a very difficult time. The economic effects of phenomena such as slavery and discrimination are extremely long-lasting and intergenerational; the economic literature on this is quite extensive. We must then ask: if there is a "problem" here (Africans being "big babies", as you say), how can it be fixed?

>>15326008
Ideologically, you bring up the meritocracy. Now fundamentally, I don't really believe in the meritocracy as it is exercised in modern capitalism because it blinds itself to all the invisible advantages inherent in social life. Let's say my dad knows the CEO and I get a job because of it: unfair, right? You would say that is un-meritocratic. Let's say my dad is rich, makes a big donation to Harvard, and then I get a job because of that. Shakier ground, but we can still see the inherent privilege, no? You might protest, but wait, the meritocracy says that I have the better degree. Sorry. I also have the better high school, and better grades because my mum wasn't a crack addict, and so on and so on. Privilege is a meme but its also something to be taken seriously, and the modern meritocracy is a joke that serves a thin veil to keep the upper echelons of society insulated from the rest of us.

Now, I'm not arguing that Africans in America are the only ones who are disadvantaged. There are millions of whites with the same situation. Nevertheless, the severity and geographic concentration of such African-specific disadvantage is so great that it does tend to have reinforcing and cyclical effects. This is why you have entire communities who, as you say, couldn't survive without government welfare. But, the same phenomenon exists in certain white communities, you might say, and you are right. But your view: that whites are fine and that Africans need to be babied, neither acknowledges the historical economic processes that destroyed African communities nor acknowledges the fact that there are whites living those same realities.

The real story here is that the POC/White debate is a fallacy; its a red herring to distract you from the real forces at work. Both the right and the left are guilty of this. You are right to say that much of the contemporary left is obsessed with paternalist attitudes: this is because by casting the narrative as race-based, they can skew the discussion away from class. But the right engages in the exact same dialogue by doing what you're doing and casting all Africans as uniquely handicapped. What is needed is a recognition of the realities of how race and class interact, and how economic forces above all else direct the discourse.

>>15326004
It's not even contextually true. You can't tie race to class. That was NEVER true. Capitalism started in England and was born out of the suffering and deaths of english, irish and german men, women and children. In general, white people were the majority of the proletariat during the XIX century. Nowadays the situation is different and capitalism is hegemonic worldwide, but whites are still not "the ruling class". West Virginia in the US is one of the poorest states and one of the whitest. Honestly there's almost nothing to debate here. These people are just mad.

>>15325713
cheap illegal mexican labor can barely even build a fence my dude

>>15325459
What a truly psychopathic ideology.

>>15326023
>>15326008
>The fundamental premise of your argument assumes a sort of developmental malfunction -- Africans in the United States are like big children.
Honestly, even a lot of African-Africans exhibit childlike qualities. This isn't implying that they suffer from arrested development, it's merely an analogy - relative to whites or East Asians, blacks are less intelligent and more impulsive, which can have both good and bad aspects.

>You mean the urban poor; I don't believe you're speaking of those Africans who have become successful or wealthy.
I think blacks with higher levels of ability are more likely to become wealthy. It's a matter of proportion.

>Ideologically, you bring up the meritocracy. Now fundamentally, I don't really believe in the meritocracy as it is exercised in modern capitalism because it blinds itself to all the invisible advantages inherent in social life.
I said in one of my other posts that I don't think meritocracy should apply to blacks mate.

>ut your view: that whites are fine and that Africans need to be babied, neither acknowledges the historical economic processes that destroyed African communities nor acknowledges the fact that there are whites living those same realities.
A decent share of whites (proportionally lower than blacks) WOULD benefit from patrimonial relations, this thread is just about nonwhites.

>The real story here is that the POC/White debate is a fallacy; its a red herring to distract you from the real forces at work. Both the right and the left are guilty of this. You are right to say that much of the contemporary left is obsessed with paternalist attitudes: this is because by casting the narrative as race-based, they can skew the discussion away from class.
See: >>1532582
>Even under your preferred brand of Communism the upper echelons of the Party would be staffed by whites with some special role carved out for Afro-Americans (again, paternalism).

Sakai's criticisms of the white proletariat made sense in the historical periods he was analyzing. The white proletariat used non-whites as fodder/labour reserve and they formed their own little labour aristocracy but to apply that to contemporary circumstances is foolish. White supremacy still exists of course and does disenfranchise non-whites via segregation, zoning, school, policies, attitudinal discrimination etc.

However capitalism has grown much more progressive and is more than happy to exploit everyone.

Sakai's second point about setllerism being the fundamental contradiction that needs to be resolved is more fraught. He follows from Mao and Lenin on the National Question and the need tor self-determinism. But that to me feels like idealism and isn't a proper Marxist understanding of the nationstate.

>>15326037
I do not disagree that Race and class are not tied at the hip, but i think its undeniable that there is a correlation Thats why i specifically said its decent as a explanation. though that is probably too strong of a word. Observable Trend morelike. However, i very much agree that people usually abstract a trend to direct causation which itself is fallacious and often causes unjust connections to be made.

>>15326080
>and they formed their own little labour aristocracy
Well... Yeah? Whites were 90% or more in the US and Europe. Why shouldn't they be in power in their own country? It's their country.

>>15326080
>Sakai's criticisms of the white proletariat made sense in the historical periods he was analyzing.
No it wasn't.
America was 90% white in the 50's. If white people can't be proletarians, what were they then? 90% capitalists? Total absurd
Of course, you could come up with the old discarded idea about unequal exchange: the third world being exploited by the first world. Another madness. How is it that the most developed countries with the best technology, the countries that produce the most use values, are actually robbing wealth from countries with the most inefficient technology?

>>15326092
becuase it wasnt "their country", they took it from the indigenous poc

>>15326110
Who were the indigenous non-Whites of Europe?

>>15326071
> A decent share of whites (proportionally lower than blacks) WOULD benefit from patrimonial relations, this thread is just about nonwhites.
So your ideology is what... Just an entrenched aristocracy lording over the lower classes on some kind of hazy basis of inferiority? Didn't we already try that?

So we are acknowledging class here by making a concession to whites in situations of difficulty? Or not? What exactly is your theoretical framework. This point is incoherent with your later comment where you completely dismiss what I said on class by... Quoting your own hypothetical imagination of Communism?
> I think blacks with higher levels of ability are more likely to become wealthy. It's a matter of proportion.
And you don't think that proportion might be influenced by very real and very consequential historical and economic processes?
> Even under your preferred brand of Communism the upper echelons of the Party would be staffed by whites with some special role carved out for Afro-Americans (again, paternalism).
See above.

>>15326110
It's funny to me how the left comes with this dumb category: PoC. I'm sure an ethnic lebanese wouldn't like to be grouped with a mexican mestizo. It's kinda sick and racist to be honest

>>15326092
>Whites were
>were
>It's their country.

>>15326088
>Observable Trend morelike
Sort of like those observable trends of """russian""" oligarchs that aren't actually russian, and """white""" bankers that aren't actually white? Always interesting how these observable trends are focused on one ethnic group, and not another one that also happens to benefit from people not talking about them (and often makes up the theories in academia).

>>15326138
You mean the Irish, right? These fucking Micks, man.

>>15325379
>country
Because the settlers are the ones that actually built the country on that land. The natives did not build the US, did they?

>>15326147
What exactly is the job of a CEO?

>>15326155
If you want the actual history, no, 99.99% of the US was completely untouched by humans prior to European colonization. He's citing a Jewish Maoist, however, so he'll just come back with the MUH 100 BILLION INJUNS GENOCIDED BY EVIL WHITEY >:( canard.

>>15326147
Ah yes, I remember when the Irish surreptitiously undermined governments, sacked countries through their cat's paws, and ran pedophile blackmail networks.

>>15326131
>So your ideology is what... Just an entrenched aristocracy lording over the lower classes on some kind of hazy basis of inferiority? Didn't we already try that?
I mean, that's what we have now lol, we're just dishonest about it. Do you really think liberal brahmins don't view themselves as superior?

>So we are acknowledging class here by making a concession to whites in situations of difficulty?
I'm not "acknowledging class" in the Marxist sense, I'm saying that a decent-sized proportion of whites would basically benefit from patrimonal relations as opposed to "freedom". Think of how many are "free" but in reality are enslaved to fentanyl, alcohol, porn, and so on.

>And you don't think that proportion might be influenced by very real and very consequential historical and economic processes?
I'm not arguing that it isn't, I'm arguing that it 1. Is largely, but not entirely, dependent on ability and 2. isn't going away because you can't get rid of in-group preference. Again, it would be a form of imposing equality from above, which is a contradiction. This is what we pretend to do right now.

>>15326147
Bad adressing of the JQ. It is well known that jews expose an extremely ethnocentric and tribalistic behavior, which, in modern capitalists societies, is extremely weird to see and unique of jews.

>>15326110
But doesnt the whole paradigm assume the ownership of land in the first place? If we are being honestly wholistic, That or this land was originally "owned" by one abstract group then another over time. through conquest, asimilation, etc. When does one peice of land become someones and when does it become wrong to take it from them. IMO I think once a culture is developed there is aethetic value in letting the culture of that land keep it. So, imo Both the white settlers and the natives have some sort of indigenous status in terms of historical legitamacy. However, in praxis, how one group should have more a claim to another when right of conquest is no longer a mainstay supported system should be down to prestige, the idea of the nation state currently extinent with a stable history and population. the problem is, when a relitively new cultural group arrives, if they are allowed to stay to long, it becomes retroactively immoral to displace them. So I think its a good idea to stop a new group from starting to begin with in the present as it will only cause strife. ANd this is why protection of extinent nation-states is important.

>>15326147
It's amazing how touchy the lefty race hustler categorizers of PoC are about the JQ. The connections between race and class is apparently very important to study for academia, but don't you dare discuss the bergs.

>>15326156
To raise the value of the company's shares for the shareholders, of course.

So basically ethnic nationalism but woke?

>>15326191
are you seriously suggesting that whites should be able to act collectively in their self interest? dont you know that six million innocent people died the last time that happened?

>>15326183
>I mean, that's what we have now lol, we're just dishonest about it. Do you really think liberal brahmins don't view themselves as superior?
I completely agree with you about the liberal brahmin. Fuck em. But your proposed "honest" replacement aristocracy is composed of what exactly? Wouldn't it be more honest to strive towards something better rather than just replacing the status quo with the same status quo but in a fancy dress?

>>15326208
Well, only since the 1980s desu. The ideology of shareholder maximisation is somewhat fishy in itself.

>>15326191
Going off this, this is partially why i dislike the revival of small ethnic enclaves or languages. As they only have value, and theirfore a sense of opression and persecution if they are maintained. Imagine how shot most developed countries would be if they had the amounnt of cultural distinctiveness and tribal identity as african nations or some middle eastern ones. I agree that culture is beautiful, but the revivals only serve to fracture and make smaller beautiful things that will create conflict between people who want to protect them.

>>15326208
So then, it doesn't matter who actually runs the company, because the people who choose the person to run the company are the people who OWN the company, not the CEO as he's just the hired stooge, and the people who do own the company will just naturally choose someone who does whatever they want him to.

So, we should actually be looking at who owns these large financial companies, and oh, look, it's
>BlackRock
and
>Vanguard
both of which are
>founded by Jews
>run by Jews
>owned by Jews

>>15326155
Built?
The southern economy was built by blacks.
The railway was built by the chinese.
I guess the actual buildings might have been built by whites but these days many construction workers are also latino.

>>15326001
Is he actually jewish? I know MiM were originally mostly I've league students.

>>15326246
>The southern economy was built by blacks.
No, it was built by Whites, who then imported Blacks bought from Jewish slave traders to pick cotton. It was then burnt down (by Whites) and rebuilt by Whites. Birth Of A Nation is fictional, stop getting your history from TV. Read a book.

>The railway was built by the chinese.
The Central Pacific Railway company for a month used Chinese labor, yes. They then left en masse and were replaced by Irish, German, and Anglo-Saxon laborers, who we can refer to as "Whites". Hell On Wheels is fictional, stop getting your history from TV. Read a book.

>>15326244
>Vanguard
>BlackRock
Do you know what ownership means in the financial sense, you nitwit? These companies are publicly traded, they're "owned" by the sharetrading public.

>>15326280
>>15326244
In fact, BlackRock's largest owners are PNC Financial Services, who are themselves publicly traded. I swear, you anti-Semites get all huffy and fussy about Wall Street without the scantiest idea of how it works.

>>15326220
I'd just make them Lords, it's better to be honest than to "strive towards equality", when we know equality is a fiction - both due to historical precedent and the realities of inequality of ability (not just in terms of race, but between individuals as well). Even Communism basically creates a Red nobility over a long enough time horizon. I would just let native Americans (whites or Afro-Americans) buy titles provided they fulfill certain obligations towards the rest of society and aren't criminals. At least this way you could have capable blacks governing black societies as opposed to running away to white neighborhoods when they make it. I unironically advocate for a black-only legal system (at least for crimes between blacks), black-only policing, Black job guarantees for certain low-skill work, etc. Again we both know deep down that Black life would be kind of hopeless without these legal protections so why lie about it?

>>15325713
I live in an American city that is nearly two hundred years older than Mexico itself. How could Mexicans build a country that existed before Mexicans even existed?

>>15326299
>>15326280
>the moment the actual owners of capital are pointed out, Communists turn into die-hard Liberals willing to fight and die for the profits of international corporations
Color me absolutely SHOCKED.

>>15326303
So essentially, you advocate for apartheid South Africa with a nobility?

>>15325638
This is almost identical to Varg's worldview lmao

>>15326325
I'm not advocating apartheid - I'm not a supporter of segregation laws, it's closer to a millet system. But it's definitely not "left-wing".

>>15326215
In a way, yes, but it goes further than that. I think the deconstruction of national ideas like "Americaness" Is actively more destructive in the long term then the persecution of those considered "non-American" in a nationalist system. Eventually, The minority identitarianism will become smaller and smaller , and so will the sensation of "persecution" that comes with it. However, in deconstructing national ideas, all you do is create sectarian identies which will more accutly feel persecution much more than if they let their particular identity atrophy into obscure character traits. For example, the irish use to be fucking despised, but now more or less irish americans are not really considered that different and their identies as irish are largely minor instead of core. A similar, but slower evolution was happening to the balck population over the 20th century, only to be reversed by 2010's id-pol.

>>15326313
>CAPITALISM BAD!
>capitalism is run by jews
>CAPITALISM GOOD!
lmfao

>>15325379
You don't need a book, you just need to understand force of arms.

>>15326313
>>15326338

It's truly amazing how they switch between sides when the JQ comes up. Almost as if they are making a deep, ethno-cultural decision about who to support at any time, much like the theories of implicit bias they push. I implore the jewish communists browsing this thread to check their ethnic privilege.

>>15325638
Can you imagine what the blacks would do to the natives in the absence of whites? Hyu shiiieet!

>>15325691
kek

>>15326313
>>15326338
>>15326373

"Do you know what ownership means in the financial sense, you nitwit? These companies are publicly traded, they're "owned" by the sharetrading public."

Is there a normative or value-based statement anywhere in this sentence? Did I say "CAPITALISM GOOD!" at any point, or did I simply point out a demonstrable fact to you that made it clear you have no idea what you're talking about on even the most basic level?

I've had words put into my mouth on this site before, but this is another level.

>>15325730
you're the guy with the epic bookshelf aren't you?

>>15326334
I mean I still fundamentally don't agree with most of what you're saying but at least this is something interesting. Hat's off to that, I guess.

>>15325379
>Any books that explain why settlers think the place they settled is actually their country?

Might makes right, that's it. Always was, always will be. Whites are waning and so is their power, hence the criticism, but no race is different when they conquer or establish themselves. It's just human nature.

>>15326392
Not that anon, but the sharetrading public aren't the public, they're the heeb hive. Any shares worth buying are way out of the reach of anyone who earns their living, and then there's the brokers who gatekeep the market for the investing class. We're talking about an oligarchy of parasites. Call them by their name... or if you daren't, at least admit they have one.

>>15326392
>I've had words put into my mouth on this site before
Says the jew that started the conversation by strawmanning the JQ with the Irish meme.

I'm curious where Epstein got the kids from ... do mossad rabbis get them from warzones of countries they helped destroy, or do they kidnap them off the street or trick them like the zwi migdal used to do?

>>15326277
That's like saying elon musk actually builds his Tesla lol.
Whites never built anything. They sit back and count shekels. Whites don't know what it's like to work hard.

>>15326448
>>15326448
This line of reasoning is totally falsified by the even existence of /biz/, if those cretins can get off their asses and trade AAPL shares then it goes to show that the barriers to entry aren't controlled by the "heeb hive". Actually, most of it is petrodollars and pension funds. Seriously though, the idea that the Joos own the the majority of the financial markets is just ludicrous. At this point, you're just blindly speculating.

>>15326277
Bullshit. Discussion over.

>>15326475
>Whites never built anything
Except for the machines, drew the plans, wrote the books and discovered the science needed to let the non-white dumdums pull the lever on the machine that does the work. We count the shekels because we know how the world works.

>>15326475
I see our resident mentally ill heeb has begun the "whites are the real jews" part of the thread.

>>15326459
you mad, you mickey fuck? you little red-haired, scrawny leprechaun?

>>15326415
No; I think you are thinking of rapture.

>>15326496
I refer you to the words "worth buying" in the post you're replying to.

>>15326523
lol can always predict how you are going to behave.

Do you think Epstein and his crew kept the children's blood in little vials like they did in the middle ages?

>>15326537
> I refer you to the words "worth buying" in the post you're replying to.
Yes, and do you understand what you're saying? You gonna tell me which shares are worth buying then? Are you privy to some secret that the rest of the entire fucking financial world isn't?

>>15326056
You must be a nigger

>>15326568
Such a profound statement

>>15326536
I doublechecked, it's you alright

>>15326696
Oh; in that case hello. FWIW my home library is smaller than many other anons here.

>The false choices offered by spectacular abundance—choices based on the juxtaposition of competing yet mutually reinforcing spectacles and of distinct yet interconnected roles (signified and embodied primarily by objects)—develop into struggles between illusory qualities designed to generate fervent allegiance to quantitative trivialities. Fallacious archaic oppositions are revived—regionalisms and racisms which serve to endow mundane rankings in the hierarchies of consumption with a magical ontological superiority—and pseudoplayful enthusiasms are aroused by an endless succession of ludicrous competitions, from sports to elections.

African Americans are just as much setllers as white people are. If whites have to leave, then so do blacks.

>>15326740
Sakaists make a distinction between African Americans and ADOS (American Descendants of Slavery). Non ADOS blacks need to leave too, but ADOS are exempt because their ancestors had no choice in coming.

>>15326720
it might not be the biggest but it's by far the most memorable

If you're actually serious a good start would be:
Fanon - The Wretched of the Earth
Fanon - On Violence
Aimé Césaire - Discourse on Colonialism and Notebook on Return to the Native Land
Spivak - Critique of Postcolonial Reason
The classic Orientalism by Said
Writings by Anand (untouchable is a good introductory point and with that you can read the manifesto of the IPWA)
Achille Mbembe - Necropolitics
Klaus Theweleit - Male Fantasies

Though i kinda doubt you're still here after all the reprehensible bad faith shitposting from idiots who read 20 pages of evola and called it a day.

>>15326600
Yep, definitely a nigger

>>15326762
whether or not they had a choice is irrelevant. they are still settlers who were and are involved with the forced occupation of indigenous land. do you make a similar distinction for white galley slaves because they had no choice in coming? i didn't think so.

>>15326793
You are kind, anon. Anyways, I recommended Pagden here because he ends up with a kind of curious theory that hospitality is derived from imperialism and colonization. But in the western tradition, the importance of hospitality as paramount for civilisation goes back at least to the Greeks (witness Odysseus always pondering xenia when landing on a new shore).

I suspect you could draw a line between being able to provide for others (towards which colonists - especially the first wave of colonists anywhere - essentially dedicated their pursuits to making lands more habitable for later arrivals) and the sense of ownership assumed in OP's question.

These are really just initial half-formed thoughts though, and I'm not sure that I agree with Pagden to begin with.

>>15326762
Does the pamphlet actually use that acronym? The ADOS people don’t really seem to be Marxists in any capacity.

>>15326815
>bad faith
Does this term have meaning anymore, or is it just an excuse for intellectual laziness at this point.

>>15326174
>ran pedophile blackmail networks
except we did do that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferns_Report

>>15326873
Isnt hospitality a pretty common trait amongs pretty much all groups of people though? Chance arivals of a small numbers of exotic peoples almost always begins with some form of hospitality.

>>15326875
Sakai didn't use it himself but his current followers do

>>15326917
Yes, which is why I am not sure that Pagden is convincing.

But in any case, I could see the ability to offer real hospitality and a sense of identification with/ownership of a piece of land developing symbiotically.

>>15326762
lol but the ados did have a choice in particapating in the genocide of the indigenous americans ex. The Buffal Soldiers. So why do white and black people who's ancestors played no role in the displacement of native americans have to leave but ados gets to stay?

>>15326915
Can't see the part where they actually blackmailed people, let alone blackmailed some of the most powerful people on the planet for purposes of political control.

I'm also looking forward to the open report by the American government and media on the Epstein-Mossad pedo blackmail networks along with all the logistical details about how they get the kids. I'm sure it'll be just as reported on as the Catholic Church. Any day now ...

>>15326935
I’ve never seen used by anyone other than your run of the mill black nationalists and NOI members.

>>15326945
I could see that. the process of hospitality is inately a form of orientation between an i and a them and the the materiel and effort you use to convey with.

>>15326893
Its the term I use for a) just calling someone a nigger or b) babbling about psychotic nonsense that is obviously incorrect and reprehensible to be shocking and justify my depressed 20something year old male posturing (the bible says it is good to murder people for their land and I of course do not actually believe this because its comically stupid and I don't feel anything in church anyway so I don't even really believe in anything I sag but I like to pretend to be a stern 1920s comparitanist scholar or intellectual anyway)

>>15327024
Thanks for just confirming my suspicions that 99% of the time the term is judged avoiding engagement and is based on lazy psychoanalysis and dogmatism.

I the world would be a better place had Sartre died during childhood.

>>15327053
the world would be a better place if you fucking died

>>15327061
I agree, but it but the early demise Sartre and anyone else who’s adopted his terminology would have been an even greater improvement .

>>15327083
Respectfully, I disagree. I think just you would do for the time being, if it's all the same to you.

>>15326815
>franz fanon
>citing a literal homosexual cuckold erotica author
lol

>>15326893
Sartre used it to argue that, because the axis by which an action can be judged as moral is "is it good for the Jewish people" that an Anti-Semite, by definition, as things are only good if they're good for the Jewish people, cannot be good. Make of that what you will.

>>15327116
>Sartre used it to argue that, because the axis by which an action can be judged as moral is "is it good for the Jewish people" that an Anti-Semite, by definition, as things are only good if they're good for the Jewish people, cannot be good.
kek does Sartre actually say this somwhere

>>15327099
If you didn't have trouble reading, you'd have realized it's not the same to me. The extent to which I tarnish the earth is magnitudes less than the others I describe. It's like comparing a scraped knee to pancreatic cancer.

>>15327121
That's the entire point of Anti-Semite and Jew.

I genuinely don't get why Lefties use anything Sartre said. Everything he came up with was said by someone else, without the baggage of it being said by a weird gimpy eunuch. For fuck's sake, despite being more philosemitic than William F. Buckley Jr., he still ratted out Jews to the Nazis while France was occupied in order to get extra alcohol rations. The actual French Resistance fighters held multiple "Kill Sartre" protests because of him and his weird cuckold porn clique that he was sponsoring.

There is legitimately no point in ever citing Sartre for any reason but to make Lefties look like idiots.

>>15327053
I would prefer if people actually read things seriously before sobbing hysterically about their poor broken toy and retreating pathetically from reality like a wounded dog is all. Get over yourself, you unbearable faggot.

>>15326915

The asymmetric differences between catholic pedos and jew pedos couldn't be more different. The former at least has government, law enforcement, and media reporting on it with some chance of justice and retribution. The latter doesn't even warrant an investigation while the people involved continue to serve the jew in foreign policy, finance, the media, and every way possible while fully knowing that these overweight rats rape kids in hollywood, have pedo islands, probably control politics and business through blackmail. Then leftist scum, who want to talk about the connections between "race and economics," rarely mention the elephant in the room while trying to drop the bloody fingerprinted knife on "flyover hicks" so they get blamed as the true power behind the scenes. That's how you know who has the power here and that the academic and mainstream view on power is completely delusional. Organized political and financial jewry can get away with raping kids, and the only retorts are "well the catholics did it" and "it's racist to talk about jewish power" and "haha the irish meme". Do you see how far gone you are on both a moral and epistemic level? You can call me an anti-semite all you want, but you've gone a level beyond of both epistemic injustice and ignorance. You're completely brainwashed by the last 50 years of muh holocaust if you can't see the difference in how these pedo investigations have played out.

>>15327145
man it would be funny as hell if the jews actually did run the world and they were so efficient at it that the only people who were about to unveil the truth were sexless cucks on 4chan

>>15326189
>the Jew gets rich because he's racist and nepotistic, unlike the whitey who HAPPENS to be racist and nepotistic

>>15327133
What does “resinous” reading even entail? I ‘d bet your conception of it is likely impossible.

>>15326431
The only intelligent post ITT.

>>15327242
Its really actually not super complex. All I want is for people to allow themselves to be able to entertain thoughts with some neutrality. Its really really easy to dismiss something because it is contradictory to everything else we have read and at a basic level we just assume its wrong because to allow it to be right would mean we wasted time on reading all of the other crap. I know that I did that a lot, rejecting thought based on a pithy sentence or two of criticism, believing in the utter refutation of things like I was working in science or math. All I'm saying is that it would be better to actually take texts to their logical conclusion and explore their backgrounds completely before dismissing them. Take these things seriously, don't read so that you can 'find a refutation', and so on. I'm not even asking that much, just that books be looked at charitably and thought over before the decision is made that they are wrong because x author "refuted" y's ideas and we need to be on the cutting edge of fashion like we're scientists or something. Work hard to develop interesting readings, don't read so you can "refute" art and posture how cool you are. Its not really a huge philosophical deal or anything, just a suggested practice.

>>15327588
This is my main interest in reading extremely fringe shit about aliens, alternative scientific theories, and ancient civilizations. Trying to construct a coherent picture of the world in which those theories are true.

>>15325379
If they want the land back, they're welcome to try to force us out.

>>15326815
How much white guilt will i feel if i read these books

>>15327629
Its working mr.56%

>>15327621
I'm writing a paper on Ernst Jünger and I think he was catastrophically wrong. My interest is not that he was wrong but the interesting and insightful ways that he was wrong. Its best that we try to read to understand and absorb other ways of reading, not to arbitrarily prove that we're smart and correct all the time.

>>15327629
And they are? Mexicans already reclaimed the southwest.

>>15325379
> settlers
Well, as far as I know, no people have managed to spring ex nihilo out of the earth yet.

>>15327644
Well i'd say guilt is useless and not really the point. You should treat it as a way of understanding and reading the dominant social and economic forces of the last several hundred years. That'd be helpful and actually pretty fruitful. These are generative books, they're not here to tell you personally that you suck. The whole white guilt thing is just bourgeois liberal sentimentality trying to absolve itself without doing any actual intellectual legwork. More harmful than helpful desu.

Quite seriously when the fuck is the us going to start addressing the jewish situation?

>>15328100
If they were going to do so it would have been in the 60s. They aren't going to do so

No

>>15328100
we've already won goyim :^)

God gave white europeans the privilege of carrying humanity into the next phase. Youre welcome.

>>15325638
>This mindset is very loud, but they are a minority, even among woker commies.
Its becoming the go to ideology for brown and black commies

>>15325638
How do blacks have claim? The fuck. Indiginous makes some sense at least

>>15325713
>> entire country built off the backs of cheap, illegal Mexican labour
ignorant dumbass

>>15327696
>The whole white guilt thing is just
Brainwashing. Don't underestimate 10+ years of time spent within a room, hearing things over and over.
In fact, it's one of the main reasons one should avoid Internet platforms like 4chan, Reddit, Facebook, Twitter etc.

>>15325713
>> entire country built off the backs of cheap, illegal Mexican labour
That's the portion pulling the middle class down, in favor of the oligarchs. Enjoy your slave wages for everybody now that people are expendable.

>>15325713
>the entire country
>built by illegal Mexicans
The absolute delusion.

>>15328228
If the US were less invested in universalism and equality they would be able to hire a Mexican nanny for every white family in the US. Singapore, Israel, the Gulf States etc. are perfectly capable of telling their guest workers to go back when their job is finished. It's not the 1800s any more, international travel is easier than ever.

>>15328249
Yeah, but legal workers are still more costly than illegal ones.

>>15328176
The thing is the is all because of Jewish neuroticism which must be addressed as part and the reason for the jewish question

>>15326110
Country did not exist before whites created it. Country=nation state, a legal term, not a place.

>>15327121
No, of course he didn't.

>>15327132
>For fuck's sake, despite being more philosemitic than William F. Buckley Jr., he still ratted out Jews to the Nazis while France was occupied in order to get extra alcohol rations.
That's a great reason to quote him. I'm that kind of philosemite. Really, the only way to be in life is to just say whatever will make the largest number of people trust you, then do whatever gives you the greatest benefit. The Jews *got* this, and it took them from being one sandnigger tribe among others to being an inextricable part of the First World.

>>15325551
Literally might makes right

>>15328568
Then why do the kikes have the right to Jerusalem and the land around it?
The nation state belonged to the arabs.

>>15326545
I thought this book was called Passover of Blood? Did you shop it to make it more tabloidy or what?

>>15327588
>All I want is for people to allow themselves to be able to entertain thoughts with some neutrality... Work hard to develop interesting readings, don't read so you can "refute" art and posture how cool you are. Its not really a huge philosophical deal or anything, just a suggested practice.
Shhhhh, don't teach 4chan how to become intellectuals...

>>15328619
There wasn't a nation state there. Basically, the Arabs got their bluff called.

>>15327145
>The asymmetric differences
You don't need "asymmetric" if you have "differences", stop trying to be clever and start being clever.

>>15327145
>epistemic
Also, why do people do this kind of shit? Political philosophy isn't philosophy, you know, it's about how make the mob do your bidding, nothing more and nothing less. Epistemology doesn't matter when you have force, and they do.

>>15328100
Never. I don't know why you would expect it to. Nice dubs though.

>>15328684
Will america itself go down with the jews though? By jews I mean everything they represent to America

>>15328654
Nations are a social construct and you can shove them up your ass with your kike legalistic arguments that convince nobody

>>15326815
Why the fuck would anyone in their right mind read any of this shit from brown people about how we owe them a dole?

>>15327696
You sound like a eunuch. Nobody has ever remedied an injustice through "intellectual legwork", and power is justice in its purest state. We took what we could control, and they lost what they couldn't keep. There is no debate.

>>15328705
I'm not a kike, I'm also not someone who pretends that Arab "civilization" is in any way valid. They had centuries to establish a nation state and they failed to do it.

>>15328704
Of course.

>>15328714
This isn't a court where your legal kikery is valid.

>>15328748
What the fuck are you talking about? The Jews own Israel with the help of America, period. There's no legalism involved. It was the easiest invasion of all time, the easiest political takeover of all time. There was no Palestinian government to overthrow, was there? If you can take something and keep it, it's yours. They took Palestine. I'm stating this as a fact, not as a pro-kike position.

>>15328202
ADoS didn't have a choice to come to the USA, so they are not a part of the settler caste and their labour was exploited as much as the indigenous people. Some will argue that blacks that migrated by choice also deserve to stay because they were mistreated just as harshly due to their skin color, but there is disagreement there. All will agree that white people need to be physically removed from colonized soil by any means possible while there is some disagreement over Asian POC, non-ADOS black POC, etc.

>>15328953
What a great country America is, where you can say this kind of impotent shit and not get immediately slashed by the majority white population. I feel sorry for the people who do this stuff at university though, they'll have a rude awakening when they graduate.

>>15329067
>What a great country America is, where you can say this kind of impotent shit and not get immediately slashed by the majority white population.
Because they know it's just the equivalent of a 13-year old talking back to his mom.

>>15329067
White Americans are a bunch of pussies, like 90% of them would comply and get on the refugee boats to Europe if these people somehow took power

>>15329117
If america became 20% white and stayed as white supremacist as it's trying to pretend to be today, then it'll probably result in a final holocaust. Otherwise its just become a huge race mix.
The most peaceful solution is to full on mix it.

>>15329191
It'll become more white supremacist as the Latino share of the population increases.

>>15329191
>The most peaceful solution is to full on mix it.
Have you seen Mexico? Have you seen... the continent of Africa?

>>15329089
This seems accurate

>>15329117
this seems inaccurate.

>>15329191
You couldn't genocide whites if you tried, look at your countries, you useless fucking piece of shit

>>15329562
I can put nonwhite characters in my video games. That's white genocide these days

>>15325379
Not settlers, but colonists. In the US, for example, colonists found nothing here but stone age people. They fought and conquered them and created a civilisation out of nothing.

It is theirs, they took it. They built it. They hold it...for now. If they cannot hold it, then it is not theirs.

>>15325379
The Grey Prince by Jack Vance

>>15329639
I wouldn’t call it genocide, but there is an insidious agenda to make non-whites the central subject of western nations.

https://thecharnelhouse.org/2017/05/15/dont-bother-reading-settlers-by-j-sakai/

>>15331179
Sakaism is basically a cult, whenever anyone on the left publicly criticizes their ideology a bunch of people on twitter with Mao and Juche avatars have a major freakout.

>>15327001
In case you hadn't noticed, American politics are inherently incoherent due to being based around two parties that have no real defining characteristic beyond being opposed to each other. This pollutes people's minds and allows nonsensical ideologies to form. Like people who want the US government to be destroyed, but they also want the US government to pay reparations to black people and have it paid by increasing taxes exclusively on white people.

>>15325638
>only blacks
absolutely no

>>15329218
This will almost certainly be the case.

>>15328100
10-15 years.

>>15328953
So what do Sakains think would happen after this deranged fantasy came to pass? The Hispanics and “innocent” blacks and natives would live in joyous harmony? wouldn’t the Hispanics immediately become the new bourgeoisie through sheer numbers? And what about further immigration? Total ban?
Would they turn the US into an “ethnostate?”

This book is just racism against whites.

Shit nigga so they be saying the rednecks they constantly mock for being uncultured and dumb and racist are in fact the capitalistic feudal overlords?? Dayum

>>15332492
Like many fringe ideologies, most of them don't have a clear plan for getting what they want. They like to say shit like "y'all talk about overthrowing the US government and instating communism all day without any plans, but when we say we want to decolonize the land y'all need a million page instruction manual" .
But I think the way most of them want to do it is: whites back to Europe, Asians back to Asia, blacks get southeast, latinos get southwest, rest goes to indiginous tribes, mixed on case by case basis. The US ceases to exist, it gets partitioned into the Socialist States of [race] where they take back all the stuff they believe they made.

>>15325459
Bend over then, subhuman.

>>15334372
>Asians back to Asia
Shouldn't Sakai leave then?

>>15335073
Most of the white and Asian supporters say they want to leave, but have various excuses for why they haven't left yet. Some of them have moved to Europe and Asia.

>>15326313
A lot of these people don't differentiate Jews and white people and consider Jews to be settlers as well. For example they say "fuck Anne Frank" because they think her story and the holocaust are overhyped by white supremacists in order to make themselves look like the victims and downplay the suffering of the colonized.

>>15335401
Can these people chew gum and walk at the same time?

>>15331193
99% of critiques are ad hominem attacks.

>>15335418
>>15335401
Apparently this girl was getting nonced by her adoptive white father and she probably got dumped by a few white guys. Sad state of affairs really - international adoption should be banned. Tired of people adopting random Asians or Africans to prove to other white people how moral they are. It's just self-flattery.

>>15335463
I was under the impression that most transracial adoptions happened because of Asia and Africa having a surplus of orphans compared to the west

Isn't J. Sakai an anti-semite who said that Mein Kampf was an exhilarating read?

>>15335479
Meh - what kind of person adopts transnationally? It's usually either social signaling or noncing. Russia banned transnational adoption from there, and for good reason.

>>15325379
>What is homesteading
Or you could just let patriarchal primitives that invented heart surgery and scalping just continue their vague territorial claims and endless tribal disputes over them at a neolithic level for the end of time at a population density that may as well be a moon crater.

>>15332539
Oxymoron

it's a good book that really makes me think

Race problems in the USA are never going to be fixed because "White People" and "Black/POC People" form two sides of a toxic co-dependent relationship.

As long as "White" people exist as a category, "Blacks" can project their failures onto them and refuse any kind of meaningful self-criticism/growth within their communities. Every African American I've ever met was completely obsessed with their "identity" as a black person, and the politics of "oppression", but at the same time nearly every one was incapable of having an intelligent or nuanced conversation about history, politics, religion, etc. beyond their own victim complex. It's telling that actual African immigrants (who have an actual sense of historical being-in-the-world outside the American mass cultural complex) on average perform far higher not only than black people, but that most white Americans as well, forming some of the highest paid and most educated portions of society. Most Somalians, Ethiopians, Kenyans, etc. I've talked to were also capable of having a nuanced discussion of politics and history, and was able to make value judgements on those topics without personalizing or moralizing events into a forced narrative-- most Americans (black white or other) are incapable of this.

At the same time, "Whites" project their insecurities onto black people all the time. The anonymization of their communities, driven by economic mismanagement, consumerism, and the automobile, creates a feeling of omnipresent paranoia, which feeds into gun culture and regular murder of black people. White Americans don't know anybody in their neighborhoods, therefore they don't FEEL safe, but Americans (especially their whorish and puritanical women) believe that FEELING is an OBJECTIVE EXPERIENCE, so they see a group of young black men on their street, and have a sense of martial insecurity from being outnumbered. When poor Americans have to deal with the misery of poverty, they do so by projecting their faults onto blacks through minstrel shows-- "I am poor, but at least I have my dignity, unlike those coons over there". When Americans feel sexually inadequate (owing again to consumerism and the general entitlement of their women+ American cultural sensitivities against properly disciplining their wives and daughters), they again project it onto black people through rap music and pornography. For "White America", "Black America" has become a fetish and a totem which does not actually require any agency on the behalf of blacks.

>>15325961
>>15326049
>>15326311
>>15328209
>>15328228
>>15328244
cope

>>15336801
The reason liberals and blacks enjoy such a blatantly paternalistic relationship is because secretly both have an unconscious need for one another. The reason why people stay in co-dependent relationships isn't because of abuse or victimization, but because self-victimization is an incredibly easy way to opt out of life's uncertainties and hardships. In particular, it's become a symbiotic relationship where blacks enforce this infantilized narrative in various acts of theater that are as much aimed towards white liberals as towards themselves, and are rewarded with financial gains, lecture tours in universities, cultural and political capital, and so on. Then white liberals, especially the ruling class, can claim cultural capital by being associated with blacks (who, remember, represent the insecurities of puritanical American culture while acting like a phantom limb for american's repressed desires): "black people are cool/street smart/hypersexual, my friday evening socialist bookclub regularly invites black lecturers, therefore I am cool, street smart, and sexually desirable".

Psychologically, it's a fascinating phenomena. It's so deeply entrenched in American culture that, short of active cultural genocide directed towards Yankees I don't think it has a solution. Needless to say I am quite pessimistic towards the future of race relations in that country. That said, most activists would benefit hugely from putting down their books on Marxist historiography and picking up an introductory textbook on clinical psychology.

>>15325379
I'm not a settler retard. My family has been here for generations. Why are commies retarded?

>>15326313
It's weird but i've noticed that about commies too.
>talk shit about ethnic groups in relation to power
>a-okay
>mention someone doing something wrong, even a 1%er liberal, is jewish
>HOW DARE YOU|le hibernians meme|Soros is actually a good dude currency speculation not real vulture crapitalism!!11
It's part of why I don't think they're honest actors about their politics. (the other reason is the number of them rationalizing power politics and clearly not giving two shits about morals in private)

>>15336801
>literal fascist image
>walls of text
didn't read lol

>>15336976
For me it's the "white people don't exist that's why they shouldn't have ethnic groups like we do", while having "PoC Clubs" to give out in-group advantages AND attacking 'white people' as an essentialized racial category.

Hard to respect extremist left-wingers when they're so blatantly disingenuous about their politics. It's all just a veneer they put on to trick liberal baby boomers who grow up in 90% white enclaves protesting Nixon that they aren't simply a clique of power hungry sociopaths.

>>15337184
>Hard to respect extremist left-wingers when they're so blatantly disingenuous about their politics. It's all just a veneer they put on to trick liberal baby boomers who grow up in 90% white enclaves protesting Nixon that they aren't simply a clique of power hungry sociopaths.
What's this ridiculous adage with leftist obsession for power hunger when if y'all had it your way, you'd massacre everyone darker than a light tan and subjugate women under ball and chain. lmao fashy cucks love to talk about leftists as some sort of malignancy when if society was run by 4chan y'all would torch and rape just about anything that moved.

>>15337214
Not quoted but this reads a lot like projection. The above doesn't read fashy at all.

>>15337242
fair enough, but if you scroll through this thread there's an insane amount of thinly veiled violent talk.

>>15337184
I don't think the left is disingenuous. In fact, I think they're so sincere that they're easily duped (I think the culture of intersectional politics is the truest expression of New Sincerity there's ever been). The problem with "the left" is that they're not a coherent body but a coalition of many groups with their own interests. Due to the sincere belief in certain types of justice held by many leftists, some of those groups can easily take advantage of the others.

>>15337214
most of the more extreme /pol/ types on 4chan just want a white country that is like a mix of Israel and Saudi Arabia or something

>>15337214
Because you are disingenuous. Your entire post is dishonestly projecting a fantasy about my politics based on nothing but the fact that I criticized an extreme political faction that calls for racial segregation and ethnic warfare.

Nice job proving me right though.

>>15337274
what are your politics then?

>>15337251
liar

Ahem

Fuck niggers and prairie niggers

>>15325379
The Inconvenient Indian: A curious Account of Native People in North America by Thomas King and 21 Things You May Not Know About the Indian Act by Bob Joseph.

>>15337293
I'm not an American, my political opinions are very theoretical and deeply rooted in my country's unique history, culture, and legal institutions... none of which can be clearly overlayed onto America's neurotic two party narrative.

In my experience Americans are too stupid to understand the political perspectives beyond their own frame of reference, and too willfully hostile to take the time to try.

Quite simply, I think you aren't intelligent enough to justify wasting my time explaining the legal and historical nuances of a country that isn't featured in Hollywood blockbusters and can't be reduced to dramatic music and patronizing "good vs evil" themes. Not only that, but you've already demonstrated that you have no interest in engaging with criticism in good faith.

None of that detracts in any way from my opinions about you and your politics, I'm just not going to jump through hoops so I can "prove" to you that I'm "worthy" of putting forward an opinion when it's blatantly obvious you've already made up your mind on the matter.

>>15337413
leftards btfo

>>15337413

>>15336801
>>15336889
Where can I read more about this? It's very pessimistic, but tends to agree with my experiences. Really don't know if there's any saving this country.

>>15325551
whose law?

>ctrl+f Zionism
>0 results
I'm disappointed.

>>15326946
>still no answer to this
lol

>>15337184
>>15337214
>Anon criticizes leftists for their dishonest politics
>Leftist anon makes post baselessly projecting genocide and rape onto him
Life imitating art.

>>15325379
Reminder that everyone has a bloody conquer as a ancestor, europeans are just special in that they never lost (well until they gave it all away) and everyone else just despises them for being the best

>>15337781
Most ADOS didn't choose to slaughter natives while all non-BIPOC's ancestors willingly chose to move onto colonized land

>>15325502
this, although it wouldn't hurt to also Imagined Communities by Benedict

always love threads on obscure and extreme ideologies

>>15326815
https://academic.oup.com/ahr/article-abstract/124/3/983/5509740?redirectedFrom=fulltext fanon CIA

Ed Said has been torn to shreds.

Passing off university drivel as wisdom, many such cases

>>15327674
most succinct critique ITT so far

>>15335559
race hatred and prejudice can exist from an individual of any race group, towards any race group

>>15339153
but the ados chose and still choose to live on colonized land. And also, how does Sakai know that the indigenous americans want the ados to stay? or that they want all non-ados to leave? Does he base this off of a consensus from representatives of the indigenous american communities or does he just assume that's what they want? What happens if the indigenous people want the ados gone too?

>>15325638
PERFECT. I hope this idea only grows and has every opportunity to be acted out. I'd fucking love to see all these crypto-commie circles implode in on themselves when they hand the reigns over to the "true proletariat." They've already spent the past decade shitting themselves to death by including more and more types of victims and dividing themselves up into more and more specific identities.

I can't find any images of the author or if he's alive or not.

>>15339860
probably another CIA created psyop academic

>>15325379
No one owns land or has a right to it beyond their ability to presently occupy it. If indigenous people want the land they can get it the same way both the whites and their ancestors got it, by taking it.

Asking for land and legitimacy is victim bullshit, all ethnic groups took their land from someone else at some point.

>>15337677
Before zionism actually worked it was just a minority self-determination movement. That's how the game is, once you win you're an oppressor

>>15339938
I think you should look up property rights.
The world is filled with landlords that own land they can't occupy. You might be paying rent to such a sucker right now.
Now if you wanna look at the philosophical semantics of owning land then you have to present an argument but being a neo nazi you don't have one besides overwhelming force. Hitler was the same. He thought he could invade others but nobody would ever invade him.

>>15339958
Nazis weren’t the only people to use overwhelming force to conquer territory. Why did you go to nazis immediately? Because they lost?

>>15339958
>Being a neo-nazi

I'm a practicing Jew. I'm also not Israeli and I'm not American and I'm not a zionist, just to head off that route.

>I think you should look up property rights.

Property rights exist as state-ceded individual and corporate protections, not as ethnic or national guarantees to blood and soil you absolute goose

>besides overwhelming force

It's not that I think force is good - it's that I think all claims to ethnic or national land, or state power and sovereignty for that matter, are tied to a discourse of power relations and violence. All nations - even ones in the old world, have internally displaced or homogenized people. All indigenous groups moved or pushed others off the land we now recognise as 'rightfully theirs' because it was what they had when they were conquered. I quite literally believe claiming any ethnic group has any rights to any land is bullshit of the highest order.

>>15327660
In Storm of Steel after that scene with him and the French girl holding the door between them he ploughed her right? He never says it but goddamn he spent so much time hunkering in those trenches and basements waiting to get shredded by shrapnel that he deserved to plough her. I hope he did. Hell, I hope he went back after the war and dicked her down so good she forgot how to speak French.

>>15325638
wow leftists are retarded

settlers is for white hating middle class faggots

>>15325638
>>15325638
>being this far disconnected from reality

Leftism is a religion and requires irrational faith to follow it

>>15339821
This

>>15339875
And this

All leftist movements are either started by or Co-opted by leftist movements

>>15325379
might makes right

>>15337629
THE LAW OF POWER

>>15325379
Because throughout all of history, people have displaced other people, usually in a process involving lots of death and violence
Might makes right, fuck losers

>>15341435
is it? you can be a white european and agree with sakaism

it's just white americans that it btfos

>>15339821
Any problems that the new negro-only societies would experience would all be the white mans fault anon

>>15325379
The fact that there was an unsettled area which they spent the work in order to settle is a pretty compelling argument. Why pretend to care about an area that was otherwise ignored by you until someone else came along and made something out of it? It's blatant posturing.

>>15343380
You can't just settle

How do you prove a group is the 100% very original people that lived somewhere

>>15343380
See >>15325539
>I mixed my labor with the land.
>No, I DID you cracka!
>Shut up negro, I mixed it first.
>No way bitch this is BIPoC land, we be out here mixin our labor with dat clay while yo' honky ass be sittin doin nuffin.
Conflicting Lockean theories of property...

Isn't this basically what Varg and Evola believe, but woke

>>15325379
>that book
>spells America as "amerika"

into the trash this goes