/lit/ - Literature

>>15302878
lmao
hi nick
just wanted to tell you that trakl's rats and rats in general are not important

>>15302878
There have been maybe 3 people in the entire world who read Fanged Noumena and then became far right. If that.

>>15302924
It's a major inspiration of the ecofascists.

>>15302878
>trans theory
>far-right

>>15302878
No, but it will get endlessly mocked the more traction it gains

>>15302878
>this book is such an inspiration to the far right
no it isn't
>It's a major inspiration of the ecofascists
no it isn't

>>15302945
you realize Nick Land has said he doesn't believe in global warming, but if he did, he would fully support it?

>>15303082
t. scientific racist that doesn't think before talking

>>15303087
What Land believes in is irrelevant to how his writing has been used and co-opted by others

>>15303098
why would a far right person read his early work? I understand reading the Dark Enlightenment, or even some of the stuff in Xenosystems, but not Fanged Noumena

>>15303112
>we need to save the environment
>hey, this guy hates the environment! let's read him!
stop memeing

>>15302878
Maybe

>>15302878
No one on the far right has read that. I actually cant imagine the kind of person who would read Fanged Noumena.

>>15302878
Stop shilling this moron.

>>15303191
it has maybe one good essay, i don't think i retained much anything else

>>15303191
Oh really?

>>15303224
>Weebshit
die

>>15303224
Post thighs

>>15303087
Yes. Nick Land is an inspiration to ecofascists like Marx was an inspiration to libertarians. That's my point.

>>15303224
Are you a tranny?

>>15303256
Nick Land says that Marx was a libertarian

Just say no to crypto-sissies.

>>15302946
I honestly can't tell selling the status of woman as a subscription service is a right or left wing idea, nor even if pegging it as either would be beneficial to the discussion of the issue.

>>15303264
Bigender.

>I have gay cancer. I'm going to die, and so are you.

>>15303300
>selling the status of woman as a subscription service
definitely right-wing, but improved by leftist women

>>15303224
Early Land, prior to his introduction to NRx, is peak Land.

>>15302878
the far right just read /pol/tard manifestos. Maybe they could get through Land's wikipedia page, but Fanged Noumena would be unintelligible to them.

Let this meme die

>>15302878
Both Fanged Noumena and CCRU writings are leftist writings. Nick's twitter is what should be banned

>>15303564
You will never understand people if you actually believe things like this

>>15304351
>You will never understand people if you actually believe things like this

>>15304363
Nick Land is a complete fanboy for Moldbug, who is far right, he thinks he's a genius. Even setting that aside, it's such an incredibly childish notion, that the people on some portion of the political spectrum are universally stupid, I hope you don't actually think that and you're just talking shit.

>>15304351
pic rel is what /pol/cels actually believe. They're view of reality is warped to the point where critical thought is almost pathogenic.

>>15304378
That image is partly correct, if you understand 'left' to mean 'progressive'. That's not even the point, why would you define an entire portion of poltical thought by a screencap of some random text? Who cares if this random person you've found doesn't understand much

u/acc the only true acc. everyone since is a slowfag.

>>15304424
>z/acc
ftfy

>>15304374

>>15302878
>fn
>inspiration to the far right
lmao, have you read it?

The far right can't read and neither have the cultural / philosophical background to understand half of what nick is talking about...

>>15302924
/thread

>>15304534
I guess Nick doesn't understand his own texts then

>>15304397
The text is indicative of the mass, sometimes proles can be more unintentionally incisive of themselves than academics. I would love for there to be some small wealth of information to draw from to prove that those on the right are anything but greedy sociopaths, but time and time again I am disappointed.

>>15304652
Do you want the Left to be represented by some retard I find in a youtube comment section? idk why im even bothering with this conversation

>>15304671
Do you want a screencap? Infograph perhaps? In this Sorelian age, information does not matter, only the story it tells and the emotions it elicits. How else can you reason that the left maintians some sort of "establishment"? How else can you reason that the "common folk" have a say in how politics are run? Everything is explained away through conspiracy. My main fustration is that you're alluding to an emotional and intellectual depth that simply does not exist. In this sense, some screen shot off some retard off some youtube video is perfectly fitting.

>>15304897
This is literally a thread about Nick Land, who has spent the last 10 years obsessing over the intellectual portion of the far right

>>15304916
See >>15302924

>>15304433
what's the z mean?

>>15305010
those are literally both me lmao

Be honest with me, should I read this fucking thing or is it meme

>>15305117
Both

>>15304534
Where does this retarded opinion come from honestly?

>>15305185
scientific data
www.theglobeandmail.com/amp/life/the-hot-button/study-links-low-intelligence-with-right-wing-beliefs/article543361/

www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2095549/amp/Right-wingers-intelligent-left-wingers-says-controversial-study--conservative-politics-lead-people-racist.html

https://www.asanet.org/research-and-publications/journals/social-psychology-quarterly/why-liberals-and-atheists-are-more-intelligent

https://www.jstor.org/stable/41417016

>>15305219
we are accepting IQ differences in various groups now? I thought that was a far right thing, which btw is not studied there, that's just all conservatives as a group

>>15305219
https://wmbriggs.com/post/5118/
http://wmbriggs.com/post/4923/
You are very gay.

>>15304378
That cap is on point tho. People live according to narratives, and the left has total control of the ones the populace follows. You have the odd Q boomers, but they embrace the majority of the progressive narrarive anyways

>>15305014
Zero O

>>15303082
I think they are referring to someone like Brenton Tarrant who has been described as an accelerationist, beyond that I'm not sure how Nick Land's philosophy could be interpreted as ecofascist.

>>15303224
Incredibly based and sexy

>>15305226
>one persons cope in blog form
you are proving the stereotype anon
>>15305227
you are a burger, ask me how I can tell

>>15305232
>the left has total control of the ones the populace follows
he says, months before Trump is elected for a second term

More like Fanged Manamana by Nick GLAND am I right

>>15304374
most of fn texts are from before of lands affair with moldbug, you illiterate cunt

>>15303224
are you contrapoints

>>15305589
That has no bearing on whether Nick Land, who is now far right, can understand the texts he himself wrote

>>15305460
>you are a burger, ask me how I can tell
Do you want to talk about IQ scores for various groups or what? It's always a fun conversation

>>15305233
What's that mean and what's it got to do with utilitarianism?

>>15305117
nope, completely worthless meme

>>15305655
>hurr my leftist are scared of IQ
burger logic. shut up nigger

>>15305686
Since we're talking about IQ scores for political groups did you know Libertarians have the highest average?

>>15305716
libertarians are right wing the same way nazis are socialists

>>15305730
Im illustrating the idiocy of your method of evaluating political positions. Libertarians are the most ineffectual retards in politics, no matter what their average iq score is. And you don't even have any data on far right iq.

>>15305678
>utilitarianism

>>15305746
IQ correlates negatively with conservative views and intolerance, racism, religious belief, ect. This is just a sad fact of the world anon. Just look at literature, philosophy, ect. Left wing thought is incredibly over-represented, because a high IQ person who is significantly to the right is a statistical rarity.

>>15305799
You don't even know how to use the word correlate lol. Besides deriding racism when race has a much larger correlation with IQ than political position is just self-defeating. And literature and philosophy are nowhere near as left wing as you think they are, you are probably talking about academia in the past few decades.

None of this even gets to the incredible idiocy of saying that a far right person could never understand books written by someone who is now far right.

>>15305821
>race has a much larger correlation with IQ
>if race has correlation with IQ then racism can't have a negative correlation with IQ
the fact you think this is in any way self-defeating suggests to me you are another low IQ right wingers upset about what scientific studies have shown
>past few decades
the right hasn't had an intellectual foothold since the 19th c you fucking illiterate, read a book

>>15305869
The right were prominent in the arts and philosophy right up until around the 20s, and then basically stamped out after the second war.

It's self-defeating because it shows that the average IQ of a group who believes something is not a measure of whether something is true or not, since the same measure shows that the lower IQ group are right.

>>15305892
this logic only works in burgerstan where you have no left wing and instead call democrats "leftists" when to any sane country they are a center right wing progressive party who chop their dicks off and shill for Pepsi. read a book, I am begging you, and turn off Fox.

>>15305759
you follow him in everything, just much slower and without an auto-icon. how does that make you feel?

>>15303224

>>15305914
Left and right are not absolute terms, but they originally referred to monarchy and republicanism, in which case the US is entirely left wing, being all republicans. The logic does apply anywhere anyway, what the elite class believe means nothing, 200 years ago you would be kicked out of university for being atheist. The IQ scores would have been the opposite for religiosity.

I've talked to so many people like you, I know exactly what you have to say, I have literally been you. You have no idea on the other hand what the far right thinks, you have never had any contact with any of their ideas. You have a ridiculous meme in your head fed to you by propaganda.

>>15305953
>he says, projecting that he knows who I am
nigger, you are the one trying to figure out what I believe, I just linked the data. stop proving the stereotype anon.

>>15305921
mostly confused

>>15305962
Do you seriously think it's interesting to point out the difference between socialists and liberals? That constitutes some kind of valuable original point to you? You realize you are repeating practically verbatim things which a million other people constantly repeat, you think being a socialist is some kind of special knowledge only intelligent people are aware of? You were literally fed your beliefs by a system which is allowed to exist by the countries you ostensibly oppose for being capitalist. You are a sort of weird lapdog that larps as a rebel.

You linked data showing that there is a slight difference in IQ in very broad groups of left and right leaning people. Who cares? This has no bearing on anything being discussed in this thread.

>>15305999
it's an answer to why right people are stereotyped as being retarded, which you are once again proving by trying to diagnose some hidden Marxism in me linking you studies

Im a spanish speaking fag and my english is not so good. I was memed into reading Bronze Age Mindset and have read a couple of books in english such as Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hide and In The Miso soup. All easy reads. What do you say lads would I understand jack shit in Fanged Noumena or would it be unintelligible for me?

>>15306035

>>15306032
You brought up the point every euro or latin american socialist does as some kind of epic gotcha about American Democrats not being socialists. If that's not what you are you're doing a great impression.

And a slight difference in IQ would not account for such a stereotype, nor would it be applicable to small subgroups within, and it still wouldn't imply that no person within that group would have the ability to understand something complicated.

>>15306044
maybe ill postpone it?... Is it supposed to be a irony or something? Why would he do that

>>15306052
>American Democrats not being socialists
their not left wing. Canada isn't socialist but Hillary Clinton is more right wing than their entire political establishment, right wing and all. again, this only makes sense to people living under the spell of burger logic. stop coping anon, give up while you are behind

>>15306072
The words left wing and right wing do not mean whatever Marxists define them to be. I already told you where they come from. You talk about being under the spell of burger logic and yet your mind is literally limited to contemporary rich white countries. There are monarchies still in operation in the world today. You have absolutely no concept of what you're talking about other than the view of it that exists in western Europe or socialist countries.

>>15306070

>>15306097
>The words left wing and right wing do not mean whatever Marxists define them to be.
>You have absolutely no concept of what you're talking about other than the view of it that exists in western Europe or socialist countries
yes, the rest of the world is backward and socialist and the only countries that understand politics are America, Liberia, and whatever other countries use the imperial system. why are you still trying anon? is this like virtue signalling to other Americans that might be itt that you will defend your backwards political system even on a Vietnamese cam girl site?

>>15306097
>The words left wing and right wing do not mean whatever Marxists define them to be.
but they do. except in burgerland

>>15306130
America is 'backwards' compared to what exactly? Compared to like 10 white countries? Are you even aware that places like Saudi Arabia exist? Or take a country like India, what do you think of it? Is it more or less 'backward' than America? How about Brazil?

What are you even trying to say, that Americans aren't socialist? everybody already knows that. It has literally nothing to do with anything we were talking about.

>>15306070
because its SHIT >>15303672

this book is a meme on this board, that's all. It's unclear who makes these threads besides faggots or the publisher. If you must read it go on libgen and download it, don't waste your money on it.

>>15306168
No they don't. Marxists are obsessed with economics, that's fine, we already have words for what they want, socialism and communism. They have no authority on what 'left wing' means.

>>15306189
>>15306102
Yeah I wont read this autistic shit.
>If you must read it go on libgen and download it, don't waste your money on it.
I already did this. If I had to buy it I would search for the spanish edition.

>>15306182
for the third time, I'm not saying America isn't socialist, I'm saying they don't have a left wing
>Saudi Arabia doesn't have a left wing!
congrats, you are Saudi Arabia but with even more cognitive dissonance

>>15306216
You are trying to define left wing to mean the same thing as socialist, when that is not what it means. I already told you where the word came from, it had nothing to do with socialism.

Why do you fetishize this fucking word, when you can just say socialist? It means nothing to say they're not left wing that you couldnt just say by saying socialist.

>>15306209

>>15306226
>You are trying to define left wing to mean the same thing as socialist
quote where I have tried to do this lmao you are handicapped. Do you think Canada is socialist? Germany? France? Italy? you are so far behind you literally can't even understand what I am saying

>>15306242
Bernie Sanders is not to the right of Stephen Harper so you can't say that Canada has one and America doesn't.

>>15306242
Also you are still just repeating those same 10 rich white countries. Get some perspective

>>15306070
viruses can leave their of dna in you, a notable percentage of our genome is viral dna.

>>15302878
>Imagine actually believing people read instead of just repeating each other's hot takes on the internet
I wish I was this naive

>>15306248
Bernie Sanders isn't an establishment candidate and the Democrats have actively sabatoged him for years, that literally proves my point. and half the things that make him a radical leftist in America (e.g. universal healthcare) are absolutely supported by Harper. thank you, great example.
>>15306258
Again, why is it your vaccous left wing needs to be compared to countries like Saudi Arabia rather than France? (hint, this supports my argument)

>>15306226
The original meaning doesn't mean much since words change. Left vs Right for Americans means more government vs less government. Though in general its just used for "That which I don't agree with" by fucking hacks. Its very rare you see a public speaker identify themselves in USA as "yes I'm a right/left wing intellectual" but will readily call their opposition left/right. This is telling

>>15306298
Because the vast majority of the world is not those 10 rich white countries. Because left wing refers first and foremost to republican systems as opposed to monarchies, making the entire West simply left wing now.

>>15306301
>The original meaning doesn't mean much since words change
If that's how you want to play it then the Democrats in the US are Left Wing because people call them that.

>>15306316

Yes, this and how the terms are used antagonistically is why in the USA there's 0 utility in labeling something as left or right. It will continue, of course.

>>15306308
>Because left wing refers first and foremost to republican systems as opposed to monarchies, making the entire West simply left wing now
no one has used the term right wing to mean "monarchists" for more than 200 years, is this really the argument you want to stick with?

>>15306372
The right wing in the Russian revolution were monarchists, and the Fascists were another further right political form. And yes it is to show you why your absolute autism about the term is retarded.

What do you mean by 'left wing', do you mean something like socdem? Just fucking say that, or if you mean socialist, then say that.

>>15306408
kek left and right aren't attached to a singular ideology. if they just meant republican and monarchist or socdem and fascist then don't you think we would just use those terms? are you still in highschool anon? I forgot we are in indefinite summer

>>15306431
yeah and they're fucking arbitary. You can call the entirety of the US left wing on very clear historical grounds. You arent' even making a sensible demarcation like socialists do where theyre basing it off whether they're pro or anti capitalism, youre just lumping random shit like the NDP in with communism as all left wing for whatever dumbass incoherent reason you have in your head.

You can't fucking think

>>15306449
>if the left wing doesn't mean socdem or republican then I guess it is a totally arbitrary term with no meaning which therefore means I can pretend it means anything I want

>>15306462
Try to define it then, you fucking retard