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>Comes up with German Idealism, Existentialism, Post-Modernism, Marxism, Deleuzian metaphysics 2000 years before Europeans

How were the Indians able to do it? Were they just super geniuses?

>> No.15300065

sci-fi fanatics say that apparently super advanced aliens used to talk to people at some point but stopped talking to them as they became vile which is in line with hindu theory of yugas

>> No.15300087

>>15300041
>Were they just super geniuses?
yes

/thread

>> No.15300119

I'm assuming this is at least some level of bait, but how does one think that deleuzian metaphysics are paralleled in indian philosophy. Point me to where

>> No.15300120

Whatever 'Soma' was, it appears to have played an instrumental role in the development of Vedic thought. It is reductive to claim that Hindu's owe it all to some mysterious brew, but it surely must have propelled their understanding in a profound way.

>> No.15300134

The same could be said of Greece, though. The Chinese too, for that matter. Even the Mesoamericans.

>> No.15300150

>>15300041
>all that but doesn't poo in the loo
Next!

>> No.15300185

>>15300120
>Whatever 'Soma' was, it appears to have played an instrumental role in the development of Vedic thought.
Explain.

>> No.15300195

>>15300185
its a psychedelic drink mentioned in the vedas

>> No.15300212

>>15300195
More interested in your thoughts on why you think it propelled their understanding and how it played a role in that.

>> No.15300236

>>15300041
Except they didn't. They came up with contradicting mystical writings that one can deduce almost anything from.

Europeans created actual philosophy and metaphysics. If you want to believe in any of the Indian schools it is better to go to the European equivalent.

>> No.15300250

>>15300041
There have always been a shit ton of Indians. That probably had something to do with it.

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>>15300041
>2000 years before Europeans

>> No.15300631

>>15300212
This is an excerpt from 'Food of the Gods' by T. Mckenna, who cited Adolf Kaegi's "The Rig Veda: The Oldest Literature of the Indians" (1886) This is purported to contain bits of a direct translation from the Ninth Mandala of the Rig Veda;

"It is drunk by the sick man as medicine at sunrise; partaking of it strengthens the limbs, preserves the legs from breaking, wards off all diseases and lengthens life. Then need and trouble vanish away, pinching want is driven off and flees when the inspiring one lays hold of the mortal; the poor man, in the intoxication of the Soma, feels himself rich; the draught impels the singer to lift his voice and inspires him for song; it gives the poet supernatural power, so that he feels himself immortal. On account of this inspiring power of the drink, there arose even in the Indo-Iranian period a personification of the sap as the god Soma, and ascription to him of almost all the deeds of other gods, the strength of the gods even being increased by this draught. Like Agni, Soma causes radiance to shine cheeringly in the waters; like Vayu, he drives on with his steeds; like the Acvins, he comes in haste with aid when summoned; like Pusan, he excites reverence, watches over herds, and leads by the shortest roads to success. Like Indra, as the sought-for ally, he overcomes all enemies, near and far, frees from the evil intentions of the envious, from danger and want, brings goodly riches from heaven, from earth and the air. Soma, too, makes the sun rise in the heavens, restores what has been lost, has a thousand ways and means of help, heals all, blind and lame, chases away the black skin (aborigines), and gives everything into the possession of the pious Arya. In his, the world-ruler's, ordinances these lands stand; he, the brearer of heaven and the prop of earth, holds all people in his hand. Bright shinning as Mitra, awe-compelling as Aryaman, he exults and gleams like Surya; Varuna's commands are his commands; he, too, measures the earth's spaces, and built the vault of the heavans; like him, he, too, full of wisdom, guards the community, watches over men even in hidden places, knows the most secret things ... He will lengthen the life of the devout endlessly, and after death make him immortal in the places of the blessed, in the highest heaven."

Obviously, T. Mckenna was a fucking nut bar, but he was a pretty well read one. I'm not saying some Stoned-Ape Joe Rogan bullshit, but this drug was wildly used for spiritual communion with the gods and might have played in a role in their advanced understanding of metaphysics. Any circle-framed spectacle wearing tame impala listening pseud will tell you that psychedelic drugs radically changed their minds forever, imagine what something like Soma could've done to the spiritually brilliant minds of ancient India.

>> No.15300713

>>15300185
>>15300120
Soma is champagne and lime salt

>> No.15301111

>>15300041
mediation and the formation of a priest class separate from the reliance of material production (plato btfo)

>> No.15301126

>>15301111
This. India is the greatest country in the world because we learned early to seperate our people into their natural roles with the geniuses at the top. Every technology and philosophy can be traced back to India ultimately.

>> No.15301133

>>15301126
true

>> No.15301144

>>15301126
Based

>> No.15301153

So as a European how can I learn from India like my ancestors did? I want to leran Indian wisdom like Plato and the Greeks did. Do I start with Advaita?

>> No.15301597

>>15301126
the final red-pill

>> No.15301622

>>15301153
Yes, start here

https://realization.org/p/ashtavakra-gita/richards.ashtavakra-gita/richards.ashtavakra-gita.html

>> No.15301891

>>15301126
based and true

>> No.15301943

>thread is just a bunch of pajeets jerking each other off
very important question, if you're so great, why don't you poo in loo?

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>>15301943
>>>/pol/

>> No.15301993

>>15301967
>we wuz toilets innovaters
the present is all that matters, kumar. :^)

>> No.15302303

>>15300041
Nah e*ro's are just superficial midwits.

>> No.15302310

>>15302303
This

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>>15300631
I don't recognise the part you cited but there are definitely hymns about the elation caused by Soma drinking, like 10.119. The main candidates for Soma are Amanita muscaria (hallucinogenic mushroom) and Ephedra (stimulant plant).

>> No.15302458

>>15301126
haha nice try. The real India would like to different. These ideologies work on paper but it practice, they are exposed to be the piles of shit they are

>> No.15303799

>>15300185
Soma is weed

>> No.15303819

>>15302449
The cow is a sacred animal because from it's dung, after the rain grows the "cucumelo", a psylocibe mushroom.

>> No.15303952

>>15300041
>How were the Indians able to do it?
Because when their distant ancestors were living in Hyperborea around 10,000 BC they were handed divine knowledge by the gods which was passed down in an esoteric oral tradition over multiple millenia which then eventually split into various factions and schools of thought which became Indian philosophy

>> No.15304594

>>15300041
as much as i hate poos today, i am compelled to agree that historically, it has been the most important country in the world in the pursuit of ones own nature, enlightenment and the nature of the world etc. Questions like this have been explored nowhere else in the level of depth and scope that it has been explored in India. This makes me uneasy as it has some conflict with my racism

>> No.15304605

>>15304594
This...I normally do not admit this but I'm very jealous of India's achievements and it has led me to form some of my racist views

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15304654

In India, in the ancient Rig Veda, there is talk of soma. Scientists think that soma is something like LSD. Scientists think it must have been a kind of mushroom that has disappeared from the Himalayas because of the change in the climate or something. Or maybe it has not disappeared, maybe people have just forgotten about it. It may be still growing somewhere in the deep valleys of the Himalayas and we have simply forgotten what it is. Maybe the ancient seers knowingly helped humanity to forget about it; it may have proved too dangerous.

Aldous Huxley says that soma was the ultimate drug, and in the future when we will have discovered the ultimate LSD we will again call it soma. But you will be surprised to know that in Sanskrit soma is another name for moon. Hence, Monday in Hindi is called somwar, the day of the moon. Soma is another name for the moon; it is not a mushroom, it is not some kind of LSD, it is not a drug. It is a secret science of getting in communion with the moon. And just as the ocean is affected by the moon, if you can get the energy back from the moon, you will be surprised: great juice, great nectar, showers on you - you can be drunk without getting drunk on any drug.

The moon can affect you to the very core of your being, and it will make you cool and calm because the moon is the feminine energy. Just as when you embrace a woman that you love and suddenly you feel great calm and quietude arising in you, exactly the same happens on a greater scale when energy returns to you from the moon.

The moon is the feminine principle, just as the sun is the masculine principle. The moon is yin, the sun is yang. The moon can mother you. There is no need to go in search to the Himalayan valleys for some mushroom; that mushroom is always there in the sky - it is the moon. You have to learn the secret of how to get energy back from the moon. There have been secret methods to get energy from the moon and from the sun too.

>> No.15304666

Sun worship was born out of a certain technique; great temples of the sun arose. The sun temple of Konarak was just an expression of gratitude to the sun. It was not just worship, it was a science - how to get yang energy in you. It is particularly good for women to get sun energy in them so that their hidden, dormant yang becomes active and it is good for men to get moon energy so that their dormant feminine principle becomes alive, moving again. It is good for a woman to be a sun worshipper and good for a man to be a moon worshipper. But the worship has not to be just a ritual, it has to be this method.

When the light is made to move in a circle, all the energies of heaven and earth, of the light and the dark, are crystallized.

Light and dark symbolize man-woman, light-heavy, grace-gravitation, life-death, movement-rest. All these things are represented by light and dark.

In short, if the energy can move in a circle, slowly slowly you will not know who you are - whether a man or a woman. Extroversion is the principle of yang, introversion is the principle of yin. Man is naturally extrovert, woman is naturally introvert. Even while making love, man keeps his eyes open - he wants to see, he is a voyeur; hence the possibility of pornography. No woman is interested in pornography; no woman sees any point in it. Even while making love to her beloved, she closes her eyes. She is an introvert, her energy moves inwardly.
>>15300120
>>15304654

>> No.15304689

>>15300120
>>15304654

>> No.15304691

All these fucking indians... guys we get it. You guys have ancient scripture. Maybe make an indian scripture appreciation thread or something and stop trying to be the fucking poo lords of the sandbox cause clearly that isnt the case

>> No.15304703

>>15304691
jesus was a sandnigger jew who got killed by jews on a stick

>> No.15304729

>>15300041
Unironically it's because Western and Indian philosophy have the same root and essence. Indian civilisation and corresponding intellectualisation of cultural background occurred earlier than in Europe. Of course, if you're Western it's much easier to understand through modern Western philosophy than through classical Western or Indian, so it's not exactly the same or useless.

>>15300120
>>15300185
This is the Norse version of Soma.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mead_of_poetry

Likely every Indoeuropean had some variant of this. It sucks that the cultural emphasis on writing wasn't more common, I imagine the same truths were derived long before Protoindoeuropeans came to Europe or India, many times over, just not written down.

>> No.15304816

>>15300120
DMT and shrooms lmao
If you stopped being such incels you'd have all of the wisdom of the world.
Look up 'Eleusinian Mysteries'.

>> No.15304851

>>15304816
>If you stopped being such incels
>DMT and shrooms
yeah psychedelic drugs are a sham and you are living proof of it.

you destroyed my desire to try drugs singlehandley with your 4channel post

they say psychedelic drugs make you new, fresh, more loving empathetic etc

this is not the case with every user since it affects people differently

>> No.15306128

>>15304594
>>15304605
Indians were Aryan you retards. Their upper castes were literally Scandinavians.

>> No.15306151

https://discord.gg/FFwRXKq

>> No.15307006

>>15306128
lol fuck off retard.

>> No.15307036

>>15304851
You are right. Real men do astral travel without drugs. Drugtards will never know the freedom of flying and the pleasure of fighting lower entities. They are always in fucked up situations where they can't move or a big head makes fun of them. Meditation is the real way to go.

>> No.15307064

>>15301126
>>15301891
>>15301597
>>15301144
>>15301133
woah....very based, how could us westerners compete with such auspoociousness

>> No.15307216

>>15304851
>yeah psychedelic drugs are a sham and you are living proof of it.
They're really not. I understand that people like to oversell it, but it's because psychedelics are great that people geek out and occasionally make too much of it. Most people who try psychedelics regard it as good, but as a means to transcendent wisdom. That's just a vocal minority that wants to make the psychedelic experience the ground of their being.

>they say psychedelic drugs make you new, fresh, more loving empathetic etc
>this is not the case with every user since it affects people differently
True, but the freshness and emotional openness are likely effects of whatever you experience. Everyone has different psychedelic experiences, but the feelings that come after it trend strongly in the way you're describing.

That said, I don't agree with people projecting psychedelics on history.

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No really how can wh*te people match THIS?

>> No.15307383

>>15307036
you encounter entities through meditation?

>> No.15307410

>>15300119
the part where I raw your mom for 3 hours

>> No.15307419

>>15301967
cope harder. indus valley was mainly in pakistan.

>> No.15307475

>>15300134
plagiarists

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>>15307475
did someone say plagiarist?

>> No.15307556

>>15307509
not this retarded shit again

>> No.15307567

>>15307509
no we're talking about other cultures with respect to india not within india shit right now

>> No.15307583

>>15301943
>implying indians are even touch with their roots to be aware of what is said in the op
you should browse the indian hindu forums
all they're interested in is finding scientific evidence of the truth of their favourite scriptures

>> No.15307938

Is there any proof indians have what you say they have?

>> No.15308010

>>15301126
Learned everything from Andronovo Chads

>> No.15308779

>>15301126

>> No.15308805

>>15307583
Wow, just like how 99% of Christians are more interested in the Bible LITERALLY PREDICTING [insert incredibly minor American political event here] JUST LIKE PASTOR JOHNSON SAID! DID YOU KNOW THAT CREDIT CARDS ARE THE MARK OF THE BEAST? WE'RE IN THE END TIMES!

It's almost like idiots are dumb everywhere.

>> No.15308896

>>15308805
>DID YOU KNOW THAT CREDIT CARDS ARE THE MARK OF THE BEAST? WE'RE IN THE END TIMES!
that's not dumb it's referring to the big nose beast

>> No.15308910

>>15307006
Are you unclear on what the term Aryan means?

>> No.15309027

>>15307006
qz.com/india/1243436/aryan-migration-scientists-use-dna-to-explain-origins-of-ancient-indians

>> No.15309175

>>15308910
>>15309027
This. Who the he'll is obsessed with India without understanding the first thing about them? Aryans arrived in India from the Steppes and established themselves as the upper class in India. Their own sacred texts even describe this and it explains a lot about how they look. DNA evidence confirms this.

>> No.15309496

>>15309175
those so called upper castes are all muslims or muslim like now and the hindu tradition is mostly upheld by dravidians
even shankara and nagarjuna were dravidians
in any case aryan means one who upholds the supreme tradition it doesn't refer to a race

>> No.15309505

>>15309496
Nope it refers to literally people with Aryan DNA from the Steppes. This is objective scientific fact

>> No.15309535

>>15309505
naming a fictitious race after the sanskrit terminology that is applied to things held in high regard is just desperate anglo we wuzzing

>> No.15309546

>>15309535
Nope it is based on DNA, as I've said 3 times now.

>> No.15309569

>>15308910
>>15309505
stop bleiving in A*glo memes
aryan is not a Sanskrit word, this term was made up by a fucking A*glo. also Rigveda was written before the le aryan invasion. le aryans have nothing to do with vedic scriptures.

>> No.15309579

>>15309569
Once again I am not talking about language. I am talking about DNA. How fucking dumb are you that you can't understand there simple letters?

>> No.15309599

DNA DNA DNA

From the article above you fucking retard
>And second, importantly, Ancestral North Indians have one more ancestry mixed in that is not to be found in Ancestral South Indians: the Steppe pastoralists or, to use the old term, Aryans.

>> No.15309605

>>15309579
so modern day pakistanis and indians are mixed people.
wow what a revelation. everybody know this you stupid fuck.

>> No.15309619

>>15309605
When did I say that? I said upper caste Indians were Aryans and you've been refuting that, poorly, for like 10 posts. Now confronted with reality you are moving the goalposts.

>> No.15309642

>>15309619
>I said upper caste Indians were Aryans
prove it

>> No.15309645

>>15306128
WE

>> No.15309651

>>15309645
HAVE

DNA

EVIDENCE

>And second, importantly, Ancestral North Indians have one more ancestry mixed in that is not to be found in Ancestral South Indians: the Steppe pastoralists or, to use the old term, Aryans.

>> No.15309829

I love BTFOing shit skins who were so proud of their shitty little country.

Sorry white men win again

>> No.15309875

Lit goes halfway around the world to escape white men, only to worship the philosophy of purer white men than exist in Europe.

Hilarious

>> No.15309891

>>15300041
>Comes up with this shit thread
>Posts it every day
How is OP able to do it?

>> No.15309964

>>15309829
>>15309875
cumskin's fantasies
le aryanz have nothing to do with vedic scripture

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>>15309875
Dude, please, just go back to >>>/pol/ again. Even if the ancient aryan were some kind of super race, there has been so much racemixing around the globe in the last millenia, that the whitest man alive right now is genetically as far from those ancients as the average indian, sl you we wuzzing about it is retarded.

>> No.15309997

>>15309988
so*

>> No.15310011

>>15304816
Drugs aren't mandatory or necessary

>> No.15310012

>>15309964
>>15309988
Cope. DNA doesn't lie. Sorry you can't labor under the belief that Brown people have ever produced something worthwhile.

Indians were street shitters until the Aryans came along and gave them culture. Then when they mixed enough they went back to being street shitters. Simple as.

The criterion for refuting this is to prove that Aryans didn't enter India and become the upper caste. However, since that empirically happened you'll just have to cope harder.

>> No.15310029

>>15310012
>>>/pol/
and if even they deem you too retarded, you alwasy have the fellow on >>>/x/ to hear your schizophrenic rambles for as long as you desire.

>> No.15310048

Why do Indians love to shit everywhere and rub shit on themselves seriously? I thought it was just a meme because they have bad sanitation in India, but it turns out they actively resist sanitation and actively love shitting on the floor, they rub shit all over themselves and eat shit as part of rituals, they drink cow piss, their street food is utterly contaminated with shit, even when they come to other countries they are often arrested for continuing to get shit in the food because they WIPE THEIR ASSES WITH THEIR HANDS and refuse to use toilet paper and bidets even when they're available.

What the fuck is it? Why do Indians love shit, shitting, eating shit, touching shit, and putting shit on everything? They rub shrines with shit, they live in shit, they shit together, they shit in their own food.

>> No.15310061

>>15310012
>Indians were street shitters until the Aryans came along and gave them culture
what is indus valley civilization?
what are vedic scriptures?
Aryanz were ooga booga barbarians at best.

>> No.15310065

>>15310029
Your rage is getting me turned on. I've never seen so much cognitive dissonance play out so hard.

>> No.15310076

>>15310061
Oh a second ago I thought they didn't live in India. Weird how you keep changing your story. This is just cognitive dissonance playing out online. Kek not worth replying to seriously. Get a grip first and then we will talk.

>> No.15310081

>>15310061
>what is indus valley civilization
An aryan civilization? Are you this ignorant of geography and history?

>> No.15310090

>>15310076
indian sub-continent people are/were mixed.
so fuck off to >>>/pol/ with your schizo ramblings, useless fucker

>> No.15310097

>>15310048

all they that hate me love death

>> No.15310099

>>15310090
Wow that goal post moved half way across the world it seems...

Cope cope cope

>> No.15310112

>>15310090
You were rekt and your worldview is based on lies. Just breathe and regroup my man. Not him but you are acting really pathetic and creepy now...