/lit/ - Literature

Why did female hysteria get a face in the literary world?

>>15289272
Probably because the controversial male hating stuff gets free publicity when folks like you dignify it's existence with your irrational anger towards it. Morbid curiosity sets in, despite the obvious mediocrity of the work people think, "well it's controversial so there has to be something to it?" and read it.

>>15289291
It'd be something if it was occasional and unprecedented. Instead it is everywhere in some mild form. Most works feature only slight confrontational episodes. Only a few try to get woke points with an actual dialogue.

For the most part it seems to be this automatic sexual rejection of any male in the settings' world.
I mean I can't be the only one who sees lesbian/bisexual representation balloon while male homosexual representation is limited to some media and fashion shows?

Is it because at the heart of female character isn't sexuality (like with men) but an innate hate of hierarchical structures?

I'm getting tired of being seen as disposable. I know a lot of male writers like to cuck off by depreciating the role of men and their character in their works but female writers are also still behaving as though men are all kid brothers and not channels for sexuality while being very hostile.

What a fucking joke. Imagine if gay twinks started larping as tops and boycotting bears. That'd be fucking weird right, like a black-on-white textbook example of inferiority complex.
Women are basically gay twinks, but naturalized.

>>15289272
Living as a woman must be fucking weird. Every single person of the opposite sex treats them like their purpose of existence is being a fucktoy, but they only want to be objectified by selected people, in specific circumstances. At the same time, hormones and monthly embarrassing genital bleeding. It's not hard to see what that retarded writing is a reaction to. I'm just glad I have a dick.

>>15289327
No wonder that feminist movement only really took off when men started the existentialist philosophy. They want to do anything to be rid of this role as natural mothers, wives and subordinates.
What you describe is true, it must suck to be a woman on account of the fact that you're completely prisoner to your own nature. You're perpetually the victim, lmao.

Also with the comment about women only wanting to be objectified by certain men in certain circumstances, I recommend you watch the movie 'Irreversible'. Real pathetic.
Something about all heterosexual sex being rape. Yet they are subordinate to manhood, through penis envy.
Embarrassing, desu.

>>15289326
>For the most part it seems to be this automatic sexual rejection of any male in the settings' world.
That's what life is like as a woman.
>I'm getting tired of being seen as disposable. I know a lot of male writers like to cuck off by depreciating the role of men and their character in their works but female writers are also still behaving as though men are all kid brothers and not channels for sexuality while being very hostile.
This is what women are like.
I suggest you get used to it.

Take the examples of the Greeks, for instance.
Both Artemis and her followers are constantly running from rape because they want to be independent of sexuality, but in all stories they invariably end up being used and abused by the man in question except that one where Artemis (a godess, mind you) is hunted by two half-god giants.
Atalanta wants to be pen of the boys but her entire character revolves around being picky on who she copulates with and in the end she's a dumb, silly girl who likes shiny things and is easily fooled.

Women, in Greek times also, were jokes.

>>15289405
I mean, in the end it doesn't matter.
I am reasonably well-adjusted and attractive enough so when it comes down to it, I will have a personal baby making machine and/or concubine while women get the option of slaving away for MegaCorp or being a man's said object.

The point of the matter is that it's a tragedy that women are reserved to such a position of perpetual nature-inflicted slavery to the man.
Take Europa and Persephone, for instance. Both 'raped' and both violently helpless but both reserve themselves to their fate.

>>15289326
I'll remind you that women would much rather date a man that makes her girlfriend's jealous, than a man who fucks her good.
Think about that.
>Most works feature only slight confrontational episodes.
Name 5.
I'm not hip enough to know any of this shit.
>I'm getting tired of being seen as disposable. I
So wait, is this all about you?

>>15289379
Sorry, I don't watch snuff.
I don't think women are worse off overall. While these aspects of their gender suck, they do have the ability to literally create life and are an object of worship in most cultures. It averages out. The two sexes are different, but one is not worse than the other. They are just specialised to different functions.

I think it's capitalist ideals of the need to produce, to be useful, to earn, that prompted women into the dick-measuring game of competition with men. Not the ideals they're bad or anything, just don't fit with female nature too well.

Ideologies and ways of thinking swing like a pendulum. That's why I'm not worried about feminism or that LGBTQ bullshit. At some point we will stray that far off course that the absurdity of the situation will become completely self-evident, and steer us toward the other end.

>>15289418
Alice Munro's short stories
A Dolls House is confrontational but sets a precedent.
Jordan from The Great Gatsby is a great example of a dull cunt that wants to be one with the boys.

I mean you see a lot of this in television since I tend to avoid books about this type of crap but it's still relevant to /lit/.
Women are smarter and are entitled to their own peace and quiet and men are predatory and dull. It's as old as time itself but it's really started to develop over the years.

As for accusatory women in philosophy, one only has to look at Hannah Arendt who is a consummate public prosecutor.
In Greek mythology all figures of justice are female from Themis to Nemesis, Dike (lol) and the Furies.
In Norse mythology Frigga is considered wiser than Odin, but it's left a 'mystery'.

Men have to pander to women but literature proves that everyone knows that this pandering is the only thing affirming their false belief of equality.
>this all about you?
Yes, of course. If I don't like something, I comment on it you female brain untermensch.

>>15289428
>Sorry, I don't watch snuff.
Gaspar Noe is a great director :p

Now, your point of women having different functions of similar values stands unless we consider that women are increasingly rejecting these natural roles.

I think Calhoun's Mouse Utopia experiment, even if somewhat unscientific, goes to show women are prone to hysteric behavior where the pendulum doesn't swing back.
>if nature is unfair, change nature
This principle is not immoral seeing as our morality is based on natural principles but it works directly in the hand of the capitalist system. Class oppression is in direct correlation with female agency.
If only some men see the absurdity of the situation while other men are either rewarded for their complicity or lash out in violence and women are completely in favor of these liberating changes, there won't be any counter force.

>>15289414
I don't see how that's a tragedy. Why don't you get over the fact of being an organism so you can go about your business without this unnecessary burden?

>>15289489
It's because it's everywhere.
In real life.
In literature.
In philosophy.
On television.
The worst part is that they basically paraphrase what man conjured up each time to suit the female narrative.

>>15289466
>if nature is unfair, change nature
I'm not arguing for that. Quite the opposite, we need to learn to function within the limitations and parameters set to us by our biology.

We are currently straying off-course, as far as women are concerned. I do think this is an unexpected side-effect of capitalism, despite all its merits. If we go the wrong way for too long, inevitably disaster strikes. Enough disasters, and the fact that things are going wrong will become obvious to the layperson, causing a reactionary movement in the opposite direction to get us back on course. The only question is how much damage will be done before we wise up. The pendulum always swings back, it always has.

Also, don't pay much attention to the mouse utopia experiments. They are not "somewhat unscientific", they are very unscientific and of very, very questionable applicability to humans.

>>15289507
I think that the European pendulum got stuck after the atrocities of the Second World War. Some revolutions go past pendulums.
Capitalism is forever accelerating and growing, it's decay is its nourishment.
So long as women desire products and men desire women, women will antagonise men.

Moreover, ever noticed how most psychonauts are male? I wonder what that's all about.

>>15289285
Romance novels outsell everything else.

>>15289291
>controversial
That word implies it challenges the status quo.

>>15289379
>You're perpetually the victim, lmao.
Real victims of war.

>>15289326
>What a fucking joke. Imagine if gay twinks started larping as tops and boycotting bears. That'd be fucking weird right, like a black-on-white textbook example of inferiority complex.
>Women are basically gay twinks, but naturalized.

Really good analogy. Completely agreed. It's sad when you realise that the only way to be a "default" human being in today's world, and individuate from there based on your actual organic development, is to be a white man. I remember how disturbed I was when I first noticed that if you're a woman, you gotta PRIMARILY be whining about The Woman Things Women Whine About, and the same goes for blacks and fags and etc. And instead of pushing back against this problem, they have doubled down so many times and turned it into an entire fucking social media feeding frenzy culture so that the average person has no chance of escaping it.

It's funny to see TERFs becoming such a thing. It's because of exactly this, and they don't even realise it. It's one big systemic reaction against equally systemic "you want to be a woman and have agency? here, gripe about these 3 issues, in one of the 3 permitted registers that are are really manifestations of women's worst behaviours" pseudofeminism.

It's sad that the only real reaction you can have to pseudofeminist whining is to ignore it and let them keep digging deeper into it. You can't communicate with them, because they make it an uphill battle every time. To escape being stereotyped as agenciless sexual selectors, they.. wield the power of sexual selection to call you a virgin if you tell them to have agency.

For a long time I hated women as tyrants, then when I realised they aren't even wielding this tyranny self-consciously but as spoiled brats unaware of how precarious it is I just felt insane disgust for them, but now all I feel is pity.