/lit/ - Literature

This shit's super confusing and convoluted, but There is a guy named David Myatt who was in the group, and was one of its most prominent figures despite trying to stay anonymous. However, he was more public about being into Esoteric Nazism/Hitlerism, and he was the leader of the National Socialist Movement (NSM) in the UK - they used to be the biggest Neo-Nazi organization. However, he's since left that group and converted to Islam, though in typical fashion for him, he became a Salafi-Jihadist, so he's still trying to encourage people to be violent terrorists. He basically just seems like a really edgy faggot who should be in prison.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k44ri11kNco

>>15251104
>so he's still trying to encourage people to be violent terrorists
he basically became a pacifist a long time ago. haven't you heard of "pathei mathos". it's basically "nature is beautiful, be empathic to people lmao". also last i saw he was writing articles defending the catholic church.

>>15251116
It's not at all clear what he really thinks, even if he is Anton Long, since these guys explicitly encourage their group to take on other ways of life. There's a huge problem right now with these neo-Nazi groups being infiltrated and co-opted by Satanists.

>>15251138
is it really a "huge" problem? how prevalent are they even? they seem marginal as fuck

>>15251144
I mean "huge" as in these siegefags are bitching about it, obviously the average person wouldn't give a fuck.
But those groups have been basically taken over by O9A. The evidence is that multiple apparently "fascist" offenders have been credibly linked to the O9A, sometimes without the police even picking up on it because they don't understand how to spot O9A stuff. It's like nearly 50% of the "neo-Nazis" getting charged in Britain over the past year or so actually turned out to have direct links to O9A.

>>15250949
Are these the guys from /x/ who post short stories on a website or whatever?

>>15251168
>It's like nearly 50% of the "neo-Nazis" getting charged in Britain over the past year or so actually turned out to have direct links to O9A.
holy shit that's fucking crazy they haven't been in the news with numbers like that

>>15251168
Do you have any information on this? News articles?

>>15251168
It's not surprising considering that racism is just a way control and manipulate masses of dumb people

>>15250949
the red glowing chicken cult

>>15251138
I doubt hes a pacifist, its common for occult orders to switch, act and bait. Its most likely all theatricality and deception on his part. He runs the risk of being arrested so he starts pretending hes a hippy into greek philosophy and shit. He is most likely still a satanists.

>>15251184
low-level post, they're only superficially neo-Nazis and this is just a superficial and stupid analysis in general
>>15251181
here's one, it's sort of shit journalism with a pretty poor understanding of O9A, but it'll at least confirm I'm not completely bullshitting you
https://web.archive.org/web/20200502050951/https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2020/03/nazi-satanist-cult-fuelling-far-right-terrorist-groups-overlooked-uk-authorities-order-nine-angles
>Over the last 12 months, four Nazis who were convicted of terrorist offences were linked to O9A and there are two further cases pending.
>Worryingly, the role of the O9A and its satanic and cultish beliefs have been overlooked by the authorities. From our in-depth investigations, I have been made aware of at least three examples of when O9A material was overlooked during anti-terrorist raids in recent times, because officers had no idea of the significance of the material they were looking at.
If you actually look up some of these people who were charged, they're disproportionately also retarded siegefags. You can find shit online, even on 4chan's archives, outing some leaders of these groups as being actually O9A, and some of the other neo-Nazis getting pissed and leaving because even they hated the O9A.

Also, if you guys recall the "neo-Nazi plot to spread coronavirus" - that was also O9A.

>>15250949
>>15251185
Do you reckon these guys glow?

>>15251232
Thanks

>>15251201
Yeah, I doubt he is too. Another O9A guy, Richard Moult, apparently converted to Catholicism but he has been definitely linked with the O9A after his apparent conversion, so this seems to be a common tactic with them. I agree with OP though, these guys are beyond interesting.

>>15251292
>Richard Moult
that guy's art is cool as fuck

really interesting to see /x/ bleeding into this board since i frequent the two.

>>15251144
They were all over 8.chan and elsewhere. Saying these guys are marginal is flat out wrong. They are easy to spot though. Like the other anon said, most of the siege fags and the guys wearing half-skull masks are either o9a or being manipulated by them.

There's an enormous thread on ki.wifarms about the group as well and how they've been manipulating the far rightists. Atomwaffen was completely controlled by o9a. They don't stop at the far right either. As the other anon said they also appear to have manipulated islamic extremists.

>>15251292
They say in some of their writings that they "infiltrate" religious and political groups in order to get people to do evil shit. There was a big post from years ago I found in some conspiracy forum that outlines their plans from their own words.

>>15251354
where on cripplechan were they? embarrassed to say I couldn't quite spot them well because I had no fucking idea these guys even existed until the awd shit
>>15251368
>here was a big post from years ago I found in some conspiracy forum that outlines their plans from their own words.
link if you can my man, that sounds interesting

>>15251327
the quality of discussion on /x/ is just terrible though, I didn't think I'd get much from them even though they probably know a bit about the ONA

>>15250949
Readed them like 10 years ago. It is like acc/lore without cyberpunk stuff; quite interesting; quite lame intellectually speaking

>>15251376
>where on cripplechan were they?
All over /pol/. They were there from the beginning. Very organized. You could tell from their talk (they used the word "mundane" a lot). They also had their own /x/-like religious board that they organized on. They had some sort of beef against the neoreactionaries on 8ch (nrx also had a board there but mostly browsed /pol/) to the point that Nick Land heard about it, blogged about it on xenosystems, then someone that was suspiciously like myatt turned up in the comments. This was around end of 2014 or the start of 2015. Can't remember exact. It was just after the big exoduses. I suspect they were behind much of the extremism of cripplechan. Including that idiot from NZ.


>link if you can my man, that sounds interesting
http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=37936

>>15251240
O9A>Tempel ov Blood>Order of Trapezoid>Temple of Set>military/cia

>>15251354
They are limited to groups that are edgy and violent to begin with, I dont see them infiltrating a cooking contest of an average nationalist group, but I do expect them to have people in the left.

>>15251421
Fuck I honestly never even picked up on them on /pol/
>>15251437
Interestingly you can find pictures of guys from awd also in tankie communities. You don't actually notice them as much, but they are definitely around in the Stalinist camps. I know this for 100% fact that awd shares members with Stalinist groups, and those guys are o9a

>>15251138
It does seem to be a problem for the very fringe far right. Neo-Nazism is extremely taboo these days, which makes it popular with people who have subversive intentions. Likewise, Satanism is can be considered particularly anti-Abrahamic and thus, anti-Semitic and so one can see a connection with particularly extreme and unorthodox flavors of Neo-Nazism, even though it wouldn’t really fit with real Nazism. I’m not in those circles myself but I have read that it’s caused some conflict for unironic NatSocs. After reading a bit, I personally think there’s more to the key players than meets the eye which perhaps doesn’t fit into either of the two aforementioned narratives entirely but not so much to the whole organization itself. Beyond that, I really have no idea.

>>15251433
Enlightened one

Is a member of this group known as an ONAnist?

>>15251433
ToB came after O9A though didn't they?
O9A came from Temple of the Sun and some other thing
I know Aquino was in contact with O9A but I thought they didn't really get on apparently, although that could be faked
>>15251453
maybe onahole

>>15251201
same tactic as used by dugin. he falsely claims he is a christian old believer when he plays with magic

>>15251463
Tell me more about this. Always found it odd how he has connections to Black Hundreds guys yet also makes overtures to Israelis.

>>15251437
>but I do expect them to have people in the left.
this is a crypto-ONA account encouraging them to join antifa too:
https://web.archive.org/web/20180106033233/https:/twitter.com/siegeculture_/status/926557544537100290

>>15251442
Nazbol seems like something a bunch of edgelord created during a meeting to better bring together the violent elements of society. Both ideologies dont matter anymore, but occultism even at its present low will survive a long time.

If they do act and think like your average occult group, then their goal would definitely be to create an order of elites that control and manipulate those at the lower rung of the ladder. They would go after common sociopaths because those are the easiest to manipulate and lack a higher spiritual self.

>they infiltrate tankies, stormfags and islamists and manipulate them into acts of violence
very based.

>>15251457
ToB is an American "nexion", arguably and offshoot at this point, that is mostly Husband and Wife venture. They attempted to solidify connections and support from North Korea at one point.

https://www.nknews.org/2013/05/white-power-and-apocalyptic-cults-pro-dprk-americans-revealed/

>>15251491
yeah, but my point was that since it's a nexion that link isn't quite as solid, and it's not a 100% thing that O9A has CIA connections even if ToB might

>>15251463
Its was a common tactic for a lot of esoteric and occult groups to "wear the clothes of the nation you are in". Pretend you are a catholic, lutheran, jew, humanist, socialist, etc when in reality you have your own particular set of believes. Its why a masons temple or the golden dawn or many rosicrucian orders allow people of different faiths to join. This isnt dangerous, but it is dishonest.

>>15251496
No, I wasn't imply as such. Was posting for people who seemed to think O9A descended from ToB.

The stuff that I heard regarding these groups and intelligence agencies has been more to do with MI6, NATO, and Project Gladio anyway.

>>15251470
https://spencergate.wordpress.com/2017/08/27/aleksandr-dugin/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivFvhMPfVHw

https://www.gornahoor.net/?p=4842

yet he would pose himself as a christian old believer just to deceive another christian as he already did

>>15251442
>nterestingly you can find pictures of guys from awd also in tankie communities.

Are you familiar with Azov Battalion? Far-Right Ukrainian militia that has been connected, tangentially at least, to AWD, and also receives funding from a Jewish billionaire while being supplied with Israeli weapons?

>>15251474
NazBol is a rehash of Strasserism as far as I know but is nonetheless a valid political ideology. I believe satanist groups infiltrate dissident political organizations specifically because they’re subversive and taboo breaking since they’re fringe ideologies and also because they attract easily manipulated radicals that they can use to further their ends. I’m not even sure the political ideology matters all that much.

>>15251453
underrated post

>>15251433

>>15251640
SHUT IT DOWN

>>15251640
ONA is barely discussed on this board though, by far the least of anything in that pic

What's their actual motivation? Just being evil baddies is too juvenile. Are they accelerationists? Is it about power, and do they think they'll gain influence? Do they want chaos?

>>15251735
They’re satanists. As far as we know it’s about all of the above and more.

>>15251735
Combo of religion and power. Go read up on left hand path groups. Basic gist is that transgressive edgy rituals are supposed to be magically powerful. The more taboo, the more powah.

>>15251748
But what does that mean, exactly? LaVeyan Satanists/Church of Satan are basically objectivists with some occultism thrown in, so they're all about focusing the will to make life what they want. The Satanic Temple is humanist and progressive, and they're basically about breaking society's expectations to live life how one wants. Neither of those organizations are known for being destructive. The O9A seems to be something very, very different. Are they theistic?

>>15251735
so far as I understand it from the literature - the idea is that the interplay between sinister ("evil"?) and empathic phases of life creates a new synthesis and a new type of individual, who achieves Jungian individuation and goes beyond it, with something analogous taking place for cultures but having been distorted in the modern West q.v. Spengler and Toynbee.

>>15251767
It’s not clear. They’re definitely not LaVeyan Satanists. It’s not clear if their stance is Luciferian still buys into a Christian paradigm or if they adopt Satanism as a way of opposing Christianity altogether. I think it’s likely that they’re genuinely theistic and believe in Satan as a deity, whom they are capable of achieving direct communion with via ritual and satanic acts. I also think it’s possible that satanism is just a disguise to hide either political or more esoteric motivations. Your guess is as good as mine honestly. I won’t pretend to know very much here.

>>15251505
how are they connected to gladio?

>>15251814
>hide either political or more esoteric motivations
like?

>15251827
Myatt:
>>I was dutifully doing my duty as a street-agitator, and had been recruited (by JM) into Column 88, a clandestine paramilitary and neo-nazi group, led by a former Special Forces officer, which at that time held regular military training sessions with the Territorial Army, the volunteer reserve force of the British Army. According to gen received decades later, Column 88 was actually part of NATO's pan-European underground Gladio network, set up and trained to employ guerilla tactics against the Soviets had they ever invaded (as was still expected, in those days). But I knew nothing of this, at the time, and simply enjoyed being part of and training with Column 88.

>>15251735
So viewed on a whole they are trying to incubate the next great culture and civilisation of earth, one that will be composed of men and women who are more than what we would consider human by today's standards. They call this hypothetical being Homo Galacticus, as they hope they will reach the stars and colonise the galaxy.

The individual progresses along the sevenfold path, their system of attainment, by completing various tasks. That the grades can only be achieved by completing tasks and not simply being granted by a higher up is an important part of their culture. The tasks begin with simply learning the mythos and doing basic rituals, but quickly become more demanding and involve things like infiltrating other organisations with the intent to fully live and become the character you are playing so as to understand the group better than the native members, completing marathons in record time, selecting targets who are deemed anathema to the groups goals and executing them, and living in the woods for 3 months or more. As part of this process you also have to be able to get a girlfriend (for ritual sex magic) and form a group, called a nexion, with at least 6 members, and it is this requirement I would expect most channers would fail to complete.
At the higher levels you take a more hands off role, and focus on long term grand strategy (aeonics), direct other o9a groups from afar and mentor up and coming talent in the organisation. Eventually you prepare to die and become immortal in the acausal realm. It is basically said that you shouldn't expect to get this far, and your main purpose in the organisation when you join is to be a patsy and canon fodder. Well why would anyone join if they knew this? Well its just another kind of challenge, right?


At the group level it is about disrupting the current world order, which stagnates man and makes him weak. The commonly understood, but incorrect, definition of acceleration could apply here. Chaos, death, and war to purge the weak, temper the strong, and call down acausal energy in to the causal realm. The causal/acausal concept is beyond the reach of this post, but if you think of cosmos/chaos with man, or life, as a bridge you are on the right track.

This all serves to crumble the old and usher a new way of being for man and a civilisation to fit.
This doesn't even begin to get in to the influences, genealogy, and intricacies of the group but I hope this helps you somewhat.

>>15251767
>Are they theistic?
Yes, the ONA is very clearly theistic. It's very explicit in their stuff. They are in no way even remotely similar to The Satanic Temple or LaVeyan Satanists who are both just edgy atheists who want to larp.
ONA genuinely believes that the individual can tap into an 'acausal' realm which underlies our 'causal' world and they seem to reach this through a kind of liberation through transgression - in some regards this is similar to Rasputin and his old cult.
However, they don't seem to refer to Satan himself as much as they do other "Dark Gods" which appear to be unique to ONA. Atazoth is one common name, Vindex is another, which is like an avatar like Arjuna as far as I can make out, literally a figure they want to bring into existence to bring wrath upon the world (hence the name). They seem to be more technically a theistic antinomian cult rather than a fully Satanist cult.
>>15251829
I believe my post also addresses this: they want to bring in widespread change a bit like the Kali Yuga sort of thing which culminates in an avatar they name Vindex.

>>15251445
There's this anon on julay and 16chan that pushes Serrano occultism but with a unique spin, and now that you mention this it really does feel like he's o9a.

>>15251827
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Column_88
>According to one report, "Column 88, was connected with the Gladio networks. These networks were set up after the Second World War, with the support of the US Central Intelligence Agency, by a number of powers, both within and outside NATO as anti-communist resistance bodies". [6] According to another report, Major Ian Souter Clarence, a former Special Forces Officer, "helped set up Column 88 in the 1960s as the British section of Gladio". [7]
>Other leading members included Joe Short, who had been involved in David Myatt's National Democratic Freedom Movement,[14] Graham Gillmore, a mercenary and NF member[15] and David Myatt.[16][17][18]

tl;dr seige/atomwaffen/altright and their antifa rivals are puppets for controlled agitation for deep state agitation in the same way the strategy of tension was or the way that the cia and mossad use islamic terror groups

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategy_of_tension

>>15251855
>As part of this process you also have to be able to get a girlfriend (for ritual sex magic) and form a group, called a nexion, with at least 6 members, and it is this requirement I would expect most channers would fail
Let's be real, they'd fail when they realised ONA requires you to complete triathlons and shit and won't take unfit NEETs

>>15251858
they are all over our /pol/ as well
just look at any nk/juche thread
that's mostly o9a

>>15251871
>controlled agitation
meant controlled opposition

wtf am i reading...quick gestalt for a non schizo??.

>>15251827
It is just theorised by some people who look in to them. For a long time now it has been suspect that some of the far-right groups, the kind that gave paramilitary training to their members, were fronts for the English branch of the NATO's Gladio program. Myatt, if he is Long, would then have a couple of fingers in some interesting pies, and thus people draw the conclusion.

>>15251885
read the thread

>>15251877
I know. I was just teasing.

>>15251890
its just schizo rambling about satanism

>>15251871
>seige/atomwaffen/altright and their antifa rivals are puppets for controlled agitation for deep state agitation in the same way the strategy of tension was or the way that the cia and mossad use islamic terror groups
What's the benefit from this though? CIA/Mossad clearly benefited from justifying the destruction of Israeli allies, but there seems to be no immediately obvious benefit in sowing internal discord during peace time.

>>15251885
secretive satanic illuminati wannabe edgelords are pulling the strings behind /pol/ edgelords

>>15251907
then fuck off if you're not going to contribute

>>15251909
Empowers the state and its organs. More intelligence agencies, more surveillance, more cops, more military, etc. It's power accruing more power for itself.

>>15251885
A Satanist internet cult called the Order of Nine Angels is infiltrating religious and political organizations and attempting to subvert them by radicalizing other members to commit crimes.

>>15251920
Ok, I see where you're coming from, but since the ONA encourages its members to infiltrate police and military forces, this seems extremely risky for power you could grab in other, simpler, ways.

>>15251855
the virgin death posture, the chad nine angles rite

>>15251888
fwiw, Myatt himself claims to have been unaware of the links between C88 and NATO at the time he was involved.

>>15251930
>Myatt himself claims to have been unaware of the links between C88 and NATO at the time he was involved.
Myatt has an interesting habit of popping up in influential extremist groups. He converts to Islam, and becomes one of the only westerners published on Hamas' site, calling for jihad in the west. He gets involved in all those Nazi groups back in the 90s and 80s and influences major cases of violence in Britain. Now his (alleged) cult is basically controlling AWD, and seems to be involved in Antifa violence as well.
This guy is either amazingly talented (which he does seem to be considering how many languages he speaks, how much he seems to know, and being a martial arts expert on top of it all), or he's a plant, and he also looks like he fits the profile of just what MI6 and the CIA would absolutely love in an agent.

>>15251942
He'd also fit in with the occult agenda of the elites.

>>15251950
I have no idea what that is though so you'll have to explain where you're coming from

>>15251926
It’s actually something of the opposite. Use them to radicalize the non members in these organizations for the purpose of the ‘new world’

>>15251926
>ONA encourages its members to infiltrate police and military forces, this seems extremely risky for power you could grab in other, simpler, ways.

Yeah, the intent isn't really to stage a coup or take over the military or police force, it is to receive professional combat training, perform state sanctioned cullings, and to have friends in useful places. To use an example from a milder group, for at least half a century the British policy have undertaken numerous reforms and measures to try and curtail the influence of Freemasonry in their organisation. The Freemasons don't control the police, and they don't even really try to hide their presence, but still after decades their influence is yet to be fully exercised.

The military, and paramilitary, organisations have a tendency to close ranks and protect their own from outside accusations too, preferring to conduct internal reviews that more often than not end up exonerating those accused.

>>15251973
>policy
Police

Myatt says the the preoccupation with the number 7, seven spheres, seven grades, etc comes from an ancient Greek system. Are there any Greek religions or philosophies that match up?

>>15251973
My point is not that you're risking the ONA actually running the police or the army, which is pretty far-fetched, although technically possible, given how easy it is to radicalise soldiers, but more that it seems risky to escalate things that far: it's one thing to encourage ethnic conflict, for example, and this seems to be happening now largely on its own; it's quite another thing to encourage the growth of what may very well become, if it isn't already, a delocalised paramilitary cult in multiple countries. That's quite a risky escalation and could backfire quite a bit.

>>15251953
Don't know if I can put it into words, but the combination of the more weirder side of the Epstein stuff, the ongoing pedo elite networks (especially in Britain), Freemasonry's history in the upper parts of society, Podesta's connection to the occult, those secret sex societies that seem to pop up among elites (the latest being NXIVM), the fact that during the cold war defence and cia would investigate occult phenomena, and a whole bunch of other events.

I'm not one to start going on about satanists in government, but there seems to be some form of LHP occult current within the top echelons of the elites. Not sure if I want to put a name to it like most conspiracy theorists do, but seems to definitely exist as like a cluster of beliefs.

If Myatt is what he says he is, then he would also fit into this role as a trusted person since he seems like a fellow occult traveller, as it were.

>>15251984
gnosticism, probably

>>15251995
Ok, I see where you're coming from, I was around for the Satanic ritual abuse stuff so this is all pretty familiar.
And the neo-Nazi groups often ended up weirdly linked to Satanism and the CIA back then, too.

>>15251999
>And the neo-Nazi groups often ended up weirdly linked to Satanism and the CIA back then, too.
Got some links or names? Would like to read about it.

>>15252002
The Process Church for one, which spawned Scientology. The military abuse cases sometimes involved both alleged Satanism and neo-Nazi themes.
I know you didn't want to start going into conspiracy stuff but Dave McGowan's Programmed to Kill was actually really interesting in how it pointed out a ton of these links which were kind of glossed over by the media at the time (partly because the false memory association or whatever the fuck it was discredited the kids' memories, even though they received funding from dodgy as fuck sources, the founder's own daughter accused him of sexually molesting her, and the kids were found with fucking STDs, but that's a complete tangent I suppose)

>>15251232
>neo-Nazi plot to spread coronavirus
What?

>>15252002
Not him, but did you read the declassified FBI documents on The Finders? Some interesting things turned up in those, for example evidence of and reports on the dimensions of tunnels between mcmartin preschool (claim that was denied until now). Another was investigators being more or less told to back off because they were stepping on the CIA's toes.

>>15252017
O9A initiative
They even make videos about it, if you know how to look for them. Here's one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5h5sOvN8Ck

>>15252013
>The Process Church for one, which spawned Scientology.

Scientology predates the process church by a decade. Hubbard was hanging around with Jack Parsons doing rituals in the desert, however.

Another interesting group, that is still around in some capacity, that is hardly even spoken of despite being a cult involving high powered people that was linked to actual murders is this one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Solar_Temple

>>15251984
Everything between Ptolemy and Copernius.

>>15252017
>>15252025
Oh shit sorry I just realized you probably meant you didn't know what I was talking about lol
There were stories even in the media about how the mean neo Nazis were planning to spit on synagogues and what not if they got the kung flu, but actually this was O9A, who actually just encouraged people to spit and cough all over everything they could in supermarkets. The media is fucking stupid so they don't understand any of this, and they don't know how to even look, so they just went with "dude Nazis lmao"

>>15252013
>>15252023
>>15252029
Thanks I will read all these.

>>15252029
>Scientology predates the process church by a decade. Hubbard was hanging around with Jack Parsons doing rituals in the desert, however.
Oh, you might be right, sorry. I might've got mixed up, but I know for sure the Process shit was definitely linked to the CIA, so it might have been whatever went before them, but Scientology is 100% glownigger

>>15252025
>that channel
what the fuck?

>>15250949
This sounds like a great thread to link with /x/ and /pol/ if they manage to somehow not be retarded

>15252025
>15252035
>>333
Would this not be old-aeon Qabbalistic thinking from the "original" ONA point of view? Perhaps it goes to show that these groups can't necessarily be taken a single bloc:- spitting at food in the supermarket seems a rather vulgar endgame for someone who spent the last decade translating ancient Greek.

>>15251984
Hermeticism

>>15252025
>>15252035
>333
Would this not be old-aeon Qabbalistic thinking from the "original" ONA point of view? Perhaps it goes to show that these groups can't necessarily be taken a single bloc:- spitting at food in the supermarket seems a rather vulgar endgame for someone who spent the last decade translating ancient Greek.

>>15252081
>these groups can't necessarily be taken a single bloc
nexions function independently but share overall goals
>endgame
it's not even close to the endgame

>>15251986
It's not unheard of. Initiating legionairres into Mithraism to the point where it became a popular religion in the Roman military was a psyop planned by Persia.

>>15252081
also the 333 reference in >>15252025 is probably to Liber 333, which is a document they like

>>15252090
Yeah, but why would the Romans initiate their own legionnaires into Mithraism?

>>15252077
>spitting at food in the supermarket seems a rather vulgar endgame for someone who spent the last decade translating ancient Greek.

I think it needs to be stressed that, although maybe Myatt is giggling somewhere at the top of a pyramid with his puppet strings, American o9a culture is informed by the temple of blood far more than it is by the original English variety. In fact the two branches have almost pushed in opposite directions over the last decade and a half with regard to their public image.

>>15252061
someone do it, this shit is interesting

>>15252025
anyone else get the fucking creeps from that whole channel?

>>15252103
looks like edgy death metal mixed with occultism.

>>15252025
Interesting how videos on this channel have both the black sun in them, but also Stalinist themes in a separate video
Seems to support what >>15251421>>15251354
>>15251232
>>15251442
were saying

>>15252093
Who knows? But the fact of the matter, it is a religion that originated in Persia, and they did.

reading the kiwifarms thread on atomwaffen mentioned above
holy fuck it's hilarious
how the fuck do you get pulled into this shit

>>15252130
You said before it was the Persians who planned it though.Or was that just a typo and it was a Roman psyop?

>>15252169
Finding soldiers in your army is converting, at an alarming rate, to a foreign religion that came from and is practiced in, a country you're at war with is a huge threat to national security. How would it be a Roman psyop?

>>15252185
I'm not going to get too stuck into this tangent but the point is pretty clear. If the UK and US governments are behind O9A, it would be more analogous to exactly that, Romans themselves covertly getting their own legionnaires to convert to Mithraism.
I think David Myatt and the O9A might be glownigger voodoo but it's not at all obvious how anyone benefits from what looks like just a pain in the ass national security threat.

>>15252097
it raises the question of where the point is at which one has discuss "satanisms" plural, as in other fields, if, say, a group like ToB who appear to be more in line with the aesthetics of commonly-accepted "Satanism" are arguably less representative of Myatt's later vision than something like Nick Land's response to the subject discussed above ("It is necessary to note at this point, therefore, that the following remarks are not designed to appeal to credence, but merely to add testimonial information, to be accepted or rejected at will"). The existing scholarship seems a little myopic in this regard, and the media willfully blind. I'm really considering this in regard to the recent attempt to "ban" the ONA in Britain - /which/ ONA? And if that associated with Myatt, does one then attempt to ban the Star Game? Reading the Corpus Hermeticum? It becomes untenable.

>>15250949
I don't know about this cult but I do know that the logo looks like shit and is a cheap imitation. So I think that this cult can't be fascinating neither. Go back to /x/

>>15252284
I think it's more that the O9A in America, who go by White Star Acception, has taken on a lot of gang-like characteristics. Apparently the higher ups in the US group are all female, like the UK group, and it's not even all white, despite them being involved a lot with Nazi shit.
Though tbf the US group seems kinda like a larp sometimes. The UK one is definitely real but apparently the US one had some high school girl running the show
>>15252321
don't post if you don't have anything to say

>>15252335
Sure, but the siegekids are drawing inspiration from Temple of Blood, "Iron Gates Now" is a slogan that was commonly posted along side the classic 'read siege". The use of the Grey alien, who is a figure in ToB mythos, among the siege crowd is derived from there too.
WSA was posting much of the content at the end the 00's and beginning of the 10's, but are less prolific now. Many even assumed they were hoax with the whole school girls trolling narrative.

https://archive.org/details/TheBigAssOnaCollection/mode/2up

>>15252284
>>15252364
notice someone calls themselves chloe in the comments of nick land's post
isn't that the same name of the school girl leader?

>>15252212
>If the UK and US governments are behind O9A

It would make sense on severals level to create basically a multitier system of control, where you start with a black project of some kind that selects people to start up a higher tier occult lodge, this lodge then controls and directs the O9A either as a seperate entity or as an estoteric hidden lodge, they then start recruiting aloof, sociopathic, manipulative, etc types of individuals, who may or may not work alongside government agents, you teach them their a kind of elite and that you need to accelerate the evolution of society by creating chaos, etc.. yadayada

O9A then will do two things:

1. It will infiltrate those groups and motivate them towards antisocial, transgressive and criminal goals, making those groups easier to be taken down.

2. If that is not possible, they have become a spy that can give basic information on what an organisations goals are, what they belief, who its members are, where the weak points are etc. which is also valuable information.

This setup works on three levels.

1. Its hides the direct involvement of the government.

2. It attracts the right kind of amoral people, powerhungry, unstable, narcistic, etc that can be easily steered and controlled.

3. Describing it sounds as a loony conspiracy theory "yeah da govurment is startin satanick lodges to undermine different ecstremist grups!!"

The groups they target are allmost all the groups a local intelligence agency watches and monitores: Including far-right, far-left and islamists with the only two exceptions as of yet being biker gangs and animal rights activists.

>>15252364
>Many even assumed they were hoax with the whole school girls trolling narrative.
Yeah, the whole thing is fucking weird. I thought it was a hoax too, but apparently Chloe Ortega was linked to Richard Moult who is definitely a close friend of David Myatt so it's hard to know what's a larp and what isn't until they go postal.

I also want to be a cool magic man, where do I start?

>>15252435
based

>>15252405
sounds similar to the way the CIA has done things for the last 50+ years
think of all the groups they've had ties to: the mafia, al qaeda, the mkultra connections to wackos and counter-cultures
any others?

>>15252435
start with the satans
begin with the black metal norwegians

>>15252464
>the satans
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOibIxl3dLo
If I hang out with these dudes all get magical powers?

>>15252470
I'll*

>>15252470
YES
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VBdAY8eA9w

>>15252457
Terry was right
Glowniggers should be run over on sight.

>>15252435
with siege, apparently

>>15250949
Excellent thread desukuns

>>15252470
>ancient Nordic tummo technique to withstand cold
>headbanging circulates kundalini

>>15251421
>Nick Land heard about it, blogged about it on xenosystems, then someone that was suspiciously like myatt turned up in the comments.
Yeah that was 100% David Myatt in the comments. He quoted Homer in Greek, correctly wrote al-Qaeda as the Arabic al-Qa'idah which the average westerner wouldn't know, but both of which Myatt does know fluently, and spent all his time defending Myatt's reputation (interestingly saying O9A was just a BS group or MI6 job or something) and I think even made a very thinly veiled threat to the guy criticising him, all while being pretentious as fuck.

NOOOOoOOOOOOooO NOT THE HECKIN MUNDANE-A-RINOS!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv1fyBwVrhk

>>15252493
yeah this has honestly been one of the best threads on /lit/ in quite a while
>>15252528
until this post

>>15252531
>>15252493

>>15252528
can these people cast spells n shieet?

>>15252536
Based. Although, what else can we do? What's there to fight about while talking about occult?

>>15252528
nice cancerpost faggot
>>15252537
she can't even fucking read

what is the best way to summon a succubus? I need these demon bitches to suck my cock tonight

>>15252543
>What's there to fight about while talking about occult?
Plenty to fight about when talking about the occult, but I guess nobody here feels symphaty to the O9A or David Myatt and I guess the only people having an opinion on the matter are intelligent people.

>>15252411
>Chloe Ortega
she's actually become active again over the past couple of years, so who knows what they're doing in the US, or if the US nexion really is all a larp

>>15252548
>what is the best way to summon a succubus?
You need to sacrifice 80 euro's, travel to the flat of a Spanish bitch that barely understands English, put your peepee in her pinkish hole and congrats, you had sex for the first time in your life.

>>15252553
>nobody here feels symphaty to the O9A or David Myatt
I mean personally I do like some of their ideas a lot in the sense that Satanism does have a compelling draw with the idea of liberating yourself from your own personal and greater societal boundaries, but siege culture and their broader edgy aesthetic is so fucking repellent that it's difficult to really have a whole lot of interest in seriously joining these people.
I mean you go through these >>15252025
kinds of videos and the ones on their similar channels, and it's kind of like just a very grungy, hateful vibe which doesn't seem to offer that much, even if some of their ideas are actually interesting (and I think some of them are).
It's amazing that the Nazis actually look very compassionate next to this sort.

Everyone watch Eyes Wide Shut. Helter Slelter. The Detroux files. The "temple" on pedoisland
Almost all cults are glownigger operations. A front for retards to serve and elites to have some fun. The Detroux files are proof of the level of deprivation elites are capable of

They seem or atleast believe to be in contact with the Desert God

>>15252536
Based

https://archive.org/details/@chloeortega

LADS LADS LADS

>>15252559
Mate I shit you not I've spotted some O9A girls on fucking tinder.
So who knows if anyone will believe me but I'm telling you guys, I was swiping in New Zealand after Christchurch happened and I did a double take with this girl who full on had the fucking O9A shit in her pictures, not super obvious but in plain enough sight that if you knew the sight already, you'd know what was up.
I was curious as fuck but I also sort of suspected that it was a trap to get dumbasses to try meet up and wind up on the government's watchlist.

>>15252457
>any others?
drug trafficking

>>15252637
Not surprised.
The Black Order started in new zealand and published o9a material in the 80's and 90's. They reemerged a few years back and have incorporated a lot of their concepts and mythos in to their own and have opened up chapters around the world. There has always been a bit of a oceanic connection, what with some key members moving to Australia too.

>>15252686
There was those New Zealand tradies who operated an insulation business there too. Pic related.

>>15252697
Yeah but that guy is definitely just some fucking retard

>>15252610
Her other account is chloe352

>>15252553
I meant more that occult traditions quite often encourage individual interpretation. That's mostly sets it apart from philosophical essays. There's not really a point in fighting over something that has that as one of its main attributes.

>>15252722
Yeah, I should have contextualised this better haha. Not implying this guy is running anything more than a business, just I noticed New Zealander's seem less discreet about this kind of stuff, so I am not surprised that it was NZ that a girl on tinder had o9a paraphernalia in her picture. Now if that had happened in New York ...

>>15252686
I was definitely surprised myself though, because nobody in NZ has ever fucking heard of the black order, let alone the o9a, and here they are in enough numbers that they've got one of their young reasonably attractive girls hanging out on tinder.
I was pretty keen to lay some pipe in satanist puss but it really was a bit of a holy shit moment. I wish I'd screenshot the thing. Blew my mind.

>>15252753
No, but there is also dogmatism in the occult, below the occult you have occult inspired movements like Theosophy or Traditionalism and these can promote argument.

>>15250949
their rituals probably involve cuck shit

>>15252948

Ok I just worked my way through the kiwifarms shit show of a thread. God damn what a fucking retards. Seems like a collection of sub-100 IQ schizophrenic psyschopath's fighting over whether a gay murder orgy, gay murder or a gay orgy is more appropriate. They are children with untreated mental illnesses playing roblox and swatting h3h3. What a fucking shitshow timeline.

>>15251307
Painting is dope though

>>15252956

>>15252973

>>15252993

Myatt was supposedly involved in the founding of ISIS, he was always an ideological driver for the declaration of a caliphate, just weeks before ISIS was formed he denounced islam and converted to Buddhism or something

There are articles somewhere out there talking about a mysterious westerner involved in the formation of isis

>>15253016

Subversive amoralists potentially a state sponsored jewish honey pot to entrap LARPing stormfaggots and meme impressionable retards into doing dumb shit see Atomwaffen etc. Another interesting avenue to research is Myatt's time spent living in Leeds, where he spent a lot of time whilst involved in the stuff in the 70s and 80s. Which famous son of Leeds was also involved in state sanctioned occult honey pots?

>One of the reasons why the Order of Nine Angles came to our attention was their links to a British celebrity known in the media as Jimmy Savile, one of the most prolific pedophiles in British history.

>The ONA was until the late 1990s a British cult rooted principally in the north of England. Jimmy Savile was the founder member of the Temple of the Sun, formed in 1959 in Yorkshire, a pseudo-masonic group for wealthy and powerful individuals focused on pedophilia.

>Sir Jimmy Savile in his regalia as head of the Temple of the Sun, which would later merge with Camlad and The Noctulians to become the Order of the Nine Angles.

>At this point we should mention in passing two other groups that would merge with the Temple of the Sun: Camlad and the Orthodox Temple of the Prince better known as The Noctulians. The Noctulians was a far right group with strong connections to the Irish terrorist group the UDA, a masonic group that recruited for and funded Irish terrorism, founded in 1972 under the leadership of an individual called Anton Long, a coded pseudonym used by the UDA for its UK-based leader. Camlad was a neopagan group existing since at least the 1930s in Shropshire, involved in human sacrifice, and under the leadership of a Jewish woman who was in a sexual relationship with David Myatt, the eventual leader of the group.

>In circumstances that are unclear Temple of the Sun, Camlad and The Noctulians came together in the person of David Myatt and support for Israel’s Yom Kippur War against the Arabs in October 1973. The ONA was founded in the spring of 1974 when all three groups merged as one, and David Myatt took on the name of Anton Long. The ONA’s matriarchal bias and human sacrifice was adopted from Camlad, its fascist and nexion structures from The Noctulians, its paedophilia and connections to the rich and powerful was thanks to Jimmy Saville and the Temple of the Sun.

>Saville and Myatt established a secret but strong and mutually beneficial bond which placed the Order of Nine Angles at the heart of an extensive and complex system of British pedophile networks supplying children to rich and powerful paedophiles, including at least one member of the British royal family, incorporating a religious cult based on the sacrifice of children.

http://web.archive.org/web/20140718172219/http://orderofnine.wordpress.com/2014/04/20/jimmy-savile-and-the-founding-of-the-order-of-nine-angles/

>>15252948
>>15252956
>>15252973
>>15252993
>>15253006
>>15253016
>>15253022
great posts anon
and lo and behold, the rituals do in fact involve cuckshit (you're supposed to marry within the ONA, so your wife ends up getting fucked by the other members)
the cuckening never stops

>>15253045
the only thing I don't get is this:
how is the ONA a honeypot when there is absolutely zero centralized structure, and therefore nobody at all to monitor you?

>>15253045

The Saviles in effect own the city of Leeds and parts of west yorkshire ever since the Norman invasion. Owls were a medieval symbol for crypto-jews and the jewish demon of child sacrifice, Lilith. You can see Owls all over the city today as it was chosen by the Saviles to be the cities emblem. See old painting, pic related, of a Savile dog whistling involvement in freemasonry (jewish mysticism).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBYfH8WhDi8

>It all started with Sir John Savile, the first Alderman of Leeds.

>The Frenchman's family arrived in the UK after they were given a huge areas of land in Yorkshire by William the Conqueror, because they supported him in the Battle of Hastings in 1066.

>He decided to include owls when he designed his coat of arms, but it is not clear why.

>Some people think he chose them because of the Greek goddess Athena, who was often depicted as an owl. While others think he just liked owls.

https://www.leeds-live.co.uk/news/leeds-news/leeds-love-owls-14502778

>>15250949
Someone archive this thread when we get to 300 or page 10, this is excellent stuff

>>15253065
Lilith Owls and the star of David, just a coincidence goyim

>involved in the formation of ISIS
>involved with the UDA
>involved with the elite pedophilia rings
>involved with Israel
>involved with commie groups
>involved in Right wing groups
how did he do it, bros? is David Myatt even real?

Who is one of /lit/s favourite book tubers also from Leeds?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6Y2ysPveIQ

If you research Savile you'll see similarities between some of the things he did and the 09A, Q even alludes to it in his video.

@0:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6Y2ysPveIQ

>Lilith Owl statue in Leeds = Savile family, Myatt also lived in Leeds for a long time


@2:12

https://youtu.be/L6Y2ysPveIQ?t=132

>Satanic Marathon Runners, what was one of the things savile was most known for?

Marathon running. If you read the 09A literature one of the main challenges they undertake is extreme endurance running.

Q was dogwhistling hard, he knows, he also pretty much endorsed them and its not hard to see he is a satanist.

>>15253065
>>15253045
I would like to know where this guy is getting his information. ONA have a paper stating that people are only fair game for their shenanigans once they are an adult, or in some cases 16, and that children are off limits because they are not mature enough to demonstrate their potential.

>>15253085
The greyling owl, indeed.

>>15253104
Another coincidence, is that both of Q's parents were marathon runners, especially his mother.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%A9ronique_Marot

>>15253108

Here is two lads both from Leeds, both involved in 09A, both arrested for being nonces.


https://www.hopenothate.org.uk/2019/06/18/jailed-neo-nazi-satanists-legacy-national-action/

>>15253073
It’s probably a glowy thread to promote this ideology to more conserved base. There is nothing that these guys believe that isn’t in accordance with what needs to and is happening in the global politics anyway. Seeds for the future. Read the bible it literally tells us what God has promised and what needs to happen To fulfil his promise to Israel.

>>15253111
wasn't convinced there for a minute, glad you kept going.

>>15253132
Do not let the left hand know what the right hand is doing....

>>15253104
Funny how in that video after all the jokes and screaming are out of the way gives a solid minute or more of engagement to the ideas where as most of his videos they would get about 5 seconds between sketches.

>>15253131

>In April this year Szewczuk, of Leeds, admitted two counts of encouraging terrorism and five of possessing documents useful to a terrorist.

>As well as their vile racism, the group (which had up to a dozen members) encouraged rape and torture of what they assumed were their political opponents. These ‘opponents’ included small children and pregnant women. Szewczuk ran a blog that called for the rape and murder of women and babies. He seemed fixated on sexual violence.

>https://www.hopenothate.org.uk/2019/06/18/jailed-neo-nazi-satanists-legacy-national-action/

The other guy Ryan Fleming was actually convicted of grooming and raping two underage people.

He has actually also written literature for the 09A under the pseudonym A. A Morain

https://archive.org/details/CodexAristarchus

>>15252948
>Unsurprisingly, many people over the years have – for personal or political reasons – referenced this Searchlight article as ‘proof’ of my alleged involvement, when anyone of any sagacity on reading that and similar articles about me can rationally deduce that it and other such articles are merely malicious propaganda designed to discredit, but worded in such a dishonourable way that even were one to sue the authors for libel in a British civil court (assuming one had the money to do so) there would be no guarantee of success – a legalistic tactic such dishonourable journalists often rely on when they peddle their lies and make their malicious accusations.

>>15253104
Based Q.

>>15253131
>hopenothate

Yikes!

>>15253150
Yeah you can catch a whiff of 09A material in his other videos too, if you are familiar with their stuff and know what you are looking for, cba to go through it

>>15253167
Yeah horrible commies, however they are just about the only publication who report in these guys, who are undoubtedly stupid subverted storm faggot nonces and useful idiots

>>15253132
yeah not everything is about your bible and Israel, I just asked because there were a lot of interesting posts, with some exceptions

>>15251138
Iirc Anton Long isn't just one guy, it's a Dread Pirate Roberts kind of deal. A few years back on /x/ I remember discussions about some Mexican lady taking over and sending thugs to beat the shit out of people who shit talked them on the internet.

just read what they write. liber 333 by tempel ov blood (their american counterpart) is available for free. so is iron gates. its on the level of literotica, just with bdsm and torture. they fantasize they're vampires with carnivore diets with initiations involved consuming blood losing weight and staying indoors + a bunch of overt femdom stuff. extremely cringe. u have to respect Atomwaffen for killing people at least. but these dudes read La Bas once and mixed it with fetish stuff and imagery from like that movie Begotten that was popular back then
shows you how a good name and a good logo (they nailed those for sure) can take you a long ways

>>15253192
>some Mexican lady taking over
Yeah, Chloe Ortega, she's Mexican/Thai and she's really weird. Everyone thought it was a larp since she was only like 18 or something when she joined and barely out of high school when she became prominent, yet here we are.
Reality is far stranger than fiction after all.

Lots more people digging up stuff on these guys on this telegram channel

https://t.me/anti_o9a_satanism

Good podcast about them here too (unfortunately hosted by low-iq liberals however)

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/71-o9a-rising-spread-britains-occultist-militant-group/id1364539980?i=1000470726951

>>15253165
Yeah my instinct is to like the guy, I hope he isn't actually involved and if he is to get out, he's clearly a troubled dude.

>>15253170
>>15253150
>>15253104

what the fuck
this is like some next level bond secret society villain shit
first /pol/, the most edgiest high profile parts of the far right, commies, al qaeda, now /lit/'s memetuber
WHY ARE THESE GUYS EVERYWHERE
WHY IS A BOOKTUBER PUSHED ON /lit/ A CRYPTO-SATANIST
WTF IS GOING ON

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifrc7jxwXa4

>>15251552
>I believe satanist groups infiltrate dissident political organizations specifically because they’re subversive and taboo breaking since they’re fringe ideologies and also because they attract easily manipulated radicals that they can use to further their ends
There are NATO biological materials couriers involved out of Fort Detrick in this Wu Flu garbage (see George Webb, Fauci corona virus bat transfection contract to Wuhan labs). If the Finders document declassification a few months back is any indication, these types of entities view it as a recruitment ground for low level trafficking that's self-policing with the wuwu cultishness and trangressive taboo breaking with high reliability.
>>15251930
>fwiw, Myatt himself claims to have been unaware of the links between C88 and NATO
>Kay Griggs, upper echelon officer's wife, similar pylons/cut outs going on especially within the NATO command structure
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mS4-aEYhLd8

Remember the South Korean PM getting ousted in 2016 for being handled by an actual cult? The fucks in the South Korean mega church ("all other religions are evil" -- from a top official therein) with business concerns/faciliteis in Wuhan likely a similar trans-national/rogue NATO globalist xyz oligarch op.

>>15251767
>LaVeyan Satanists/Church of Satan are basically objectivists with some occultism thrown in
If you saw MIDSOMMAR -- the cafe scene has the group seated under a large photograph of Sophia Loren & Jayne Mansfield ('Catholic') -- Mansfield was involved with LeVi before dying suspiciously before her time as a single mother of several. "I know the basis for his religion, but would never . . . because I'm a devout Catholic" -- LaVey, like Rand, is fairly exoteric pharisaism.

>>15251855
>At the group level it is about disrupting the current world order, which stagnates man and makes him weak. The commonly understood, but incorrect, definition of acceleration could apply here. Chaos, death, and war to purge the weak, temper the strong, and call down acausal energy in to the causal realm. The causal/acausal concept is beyond the reach of this post, but if you think of cosmos/chaos with man, or life, as a bridge you are on the right track.
Zarathustra's Ape writ large
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ma0zXZwyvDM

>>15251871
>tl;dr seige/atomwaffen/altright and their antifa rivals are puppets for controlled agitation for deep state agitation in the same way the strategy of tension was or the way that the cia and mossad use islamic terror groups
This, and recent ANTIFA convictions on diddler charges speaks to whence and for whom; "strategy of tension" = geopolitical spirit cooking

>>15251885
>tl;dr the above ^

>>15253045

Also last schizo post, for all you pizzagate fags, here is savile molesting a girl on camera during a Louis Theroux documentary. It was his favourite restaurant - called the flying pizza - and was near his flat in the Jewish area of Leeds - one of the yorkshire rippers victims was found literally outside saviles flat - spoiler it was him. In the same documentary he admits

"If he wants to die, he can die. He won't be the first that I've put away."

Admitting murder on camera, molesting a girl and getting away with it cos he owned the police.

Their website lists "secret menu items" to this day. See bottom near news letter.

https://sancarlo.co.uk/restaurants/flying-pizza-leeds/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iTb0ta5_84

>>15251856
thanks bro

>>15253104
hyperstitionalise my dick q you bumboy

>>15253241
>last schizo post
schizo post as much as you want
schizo posting is the furor poeticus of conspiracy theory

>>15253045
>Camlad was a neopagan group existing since at least the 1930s in Shropshire, involved in human sacrifice, and under the leadership of a Jewish woman who was in a sexual relationship with David Myatt, the eventual leader of the group.

I think finding out who this Jewish woman would be extremely enlightening, any ideas lads?

He has also murdered anti-nuclear activists (Hilda Murrell), he glows more than a christmas tree.

For well over a decade there have been rumors about whether or not David Myatt is an agent provocateur and/or an MI5 (or MI6) agent/covert operative.

These rumors, apparently, derive from three causes.

(1) His known involvement – in the 1970’s – with the para-military neo-nazi group Column 88, which, it has been alleged, was part of NATO’s European Gladio stay-behind network, whose task was to conduct assassinations and sabotage if the Soviet Union had invaded. Thus, Column 88 (C88) was, apparently, a joint MI5/MI6 operation, and was led by a former Special Forces army officer.

(2) His interrogation, in the 80’s, by the police – and later interview by a research assistant (Jenny Rathbone) from ITV’s World in Action (when Myatt denied everything) – about the murder of Hilda Murrell, when it was alleged that Myatt was employed as a deniable covert MI5 operative who was doing some of their “dirty work”. At the time of this murder, it was widely rumored that Murrell was “silenced” by MI5.

(3) His involvement with Combat 18 (C18), which led to the formation of the National-Socialist Movement (NSM), of which he was the founder and first leader, and of which David Copeland, the London nail-bomber, was a member; for it was alleged that C18 was either set-up by MI5, or heavily infiltrated by MI5.

In addition, there are the following circumstances: (a) Myatt’s many unexplained visits to Northern Ireland in the 70’s, 80’s and 90’s; (b) his seemingly strange and sudden conversion to Islam some months after resigning from the leadership of the NSM; and (c) the fact that, although arrested, he was not prosecuted for either writing and distributing two terrorist documents attributed to him (A Practical Guide to Aryan Revolution, and the original booklet announcing the formation of The White Wolves) or for recruiting people to join his clandestine Aryan Resistance Movement.

>>15253375

Such circumstances as these led Canadian author Jeff Wells to write, in 2005:

” Is Myatt an agent provocateur, a shit-disturber who can’t settle upon a radical philosophy, something more, or something less? It’s difficult to assess motive, but consider that he has been arrested numerous times for such things as writing and disseminating “practical terrorist guides” [and] on suspicion of conspiracy to murder. These cases have always been dropped due to “lack of evidence.” Does he enjoy protection? The record is suggestive that he does. And if it appears so, then we should ask the next question: Why?

Myatt may seem to have flitted from one politico-religious philosophy to another, but there is a terrible thread of continuity and rigour through his life and writings that suggests he is much more than a disingenuous provocateur. Naziism and Islamicism have served, in turn, as modalities of disruption for what remains at core an occult working to sow general chaos and division – the necessary passage of “Helter Skelter” to break down the Old Order, before the founding of the New.

So again: whose interests are served by there being a David Myatt? Is he is own man – or men – or does he belong to someone else? Or is it something else – an intelligence service perhaps… ”

https://regardingdavidmyatt.wordpress.com/agent-provocateur/

>>15253375
There is the possibility that most post-war neonazi and fascist organisations where set up by the many governments, to pre-empt the actual founding of one and to document people who enter or associate with those organisations, this is most likely also the case with many leftwing organisations. I do know the Dutch AIVD controlled most Leftwing organisations when they where still getting their funding. The suddens decline and disappearance of the far-right after Fortuyn was shot is also suspicious, most likely they pulled the plug on many farright movements when the right actually started to grow in popularity.

Nick Lands blog post on 09A, David Myatt in comments, very interesting read

http://www.xenosystems.net/occult-xenosystems/

>>15253431
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Trust

>>15253448
Myatt gets btfo by Australian banter in the comments lmao

>>15253431

There is such multi-layered subversion its almost impossible to know whats really going on, hyper-normalization or whatever. However you can pretty much rely on the fact its most likely jewish.

From a comment on Lands blog:

Some clarification re: ONA

ONA started as an Operation Gladio project. It was part of an array of such projects, developed as an answer to similar Russian ops.

Its aim was to infiltrate a wide variety of orgs, be they left, right, religious or even gentlemen’c clubs, masonic lodges and the like.

In 2009, it was discovered [1] that David Myatt, the british intelligence agent that initially was recruited to mastermind the project, was a puppet for a group called Tempel of The Sun, that had recruited Myatt before he joined the british intelligence, as a part of an operation called ‘Camlad’ – a project designed to infiltrate intelligence agencies both in the West and in the Soviets.

There are conspiracies within conspiracies here [2]. What we do know: an unknown group managed to infiltrate intelligence agencies across the Western world and also in the Soviets, and once nested inside, they convinced these to launch secret projects developed as honey-traps built on an “occult mythos” that stressed participation in extremist politics as one of its initiarory aims. See also the mistakenly declassified papers pertaining to this matter that was for a short time available through the State Duma Archive in 2010, as part of the ‘narod-m file D’.

[1]; see “The Mira Complex” for the relevant sections.

>http://www.xenosystems.net/our-future/

>>15252528
>herm'tic
She really can't read, kek

>>15252594
>Everyone watch Eyes Wide Shut
Tom Cruise on the street. Lens flares highlight his dick (Malkuth). The "Christmas Tree Store" at the end of the street and the zig zag lights above it finish framed over his head (Kether). When he enters the bar on the right, the horned lights crowning him are in a common Egyptian/Assyrian horned deity motif.

>>15252637
>>15252686
NZ/AUS is critical as a waystation for the Antarctic, spook central between Pine Gap and *persons of the book with the mob(s) in Western Aus

>>15253016
>founding ISIS
Reports on the ground from Libya was absolute bedlam -- amphetamine fueled blood orgy (SS Eastern Front SOP; translator couple working with the various Libyan tribes whose names I can't recall detailed this, barely getting out) -- NXIVM's Clare Bronfman worked in the US-Libyan Chamber of Commerce, and her husband, a Libyan national business magnate, Basit Igtet, was invovled with pre-regime change 'negotiations'. With the White Helmet's British co-founder getting thrown off a building in Turkey last fall (anachronistic CIA procedure), and the British Foreign Office's massive seed money compared to others -- Myatt being involvement conceptually in their training at least wouldn't be surprising.

>>15253045
>Sir Jimmy Savile in his regalia as head of the Temple of the Sun, which would later merge with Camlad and The Noctulians to become the Order of the Nine Angles
Big if true. As much spying shenanigans go on with the *world healers, in the end, the Zionist state is and will only ever be the UK's mad dog geopolitical/crime FOB on the model of China and the Norks.

>>15253460
Yeah haha its a funny read, he has a distinctive narcissistic writing style, bit like this post, makes him easy to identify.

>>15251942

Lots of the blogs written about him are all written in the same style, wouldn't be surprised if its him.

I would like, albeit my comment, as our inner documents, will and has been greatly ignored the following that is part of our sinister game to play with the minds of the mundane, leading them to commit acts which they believe are in accordance to our ethos that, mere fact, they are had just being entangled in our laberintus philosophicus.

Many people here lack the intellectual rigor, let alone, the capabilities to understand real esoteric knowledge.

>>15253477
>bit like this post
What post

>>15253468
>Jimmy Savile Reply:
>October 13th, 2014 at 1:08 pm

>Trying to get the truth out of them is impossible since their formulations are based on lies and an archonic shell-game of receding blithering nonsense. They constantly spawn more cults in order to perplex and deepen their lies.

>Initiation is designed to create an artificial labyrinth whereby the mindset of the initiate has various controlled truths revealed to them in order to create a mind-control slave, obedient to whatever order they have entered into.

>>15253507
this post
>>15251942

>>15253468
>its most likely jewish.
In fairness, I think its far more likely that if any group is behind it, its the Christian churches, these people are the biggest group, control most of Europe, have a history of religious persecution and intolerance and somehow when talking about the modern world everyone pretends they are just a bunch of silly good natured chaps.

Not buying it.

>What we do know: an unknown group managed to infiltrate intelligence agencies across the Western world and also in the Soviets

Take this from The Book of the Law:

>Let my servants be few & secret: they shall rule the many & the known.

Once you realise that Crowley was working for British Intelligence, it opens up the possibility of there being a powerful occult lodge, either evolving out of Thelema or being the real cult of Thelema and those Satanic organisations are just the lower exoteric orders.

Tell me more about the Lilith and Owl symbolism. I've never bought the Moloch Owl connection, and could never find serious sources for that claim. But a brief google of the Lilith thing looks plausible with the owl connection and her eating kids.

>>15253512
Not sure if you're trying to say I wrote that post or what? Only one (you) there though.

>>15253519
The Moloch owl connection is basically non-existent, so you're correct for not buying into it. Do you know the Burney relief? The god depicted on it is believed by some to be Lilith and she is flanked by two owls. It's also referred to as the Queen of the Night relief. I suppose a connection between owls and the night can be made there too.

>>15253053
Because it's not. We are a decentralized group with no dogma, you can join, change and critique everything, and at the same time, you are helping our aeonic goals.

>>15253607
>We
Can you give some form of proof it isn't just a larp though? I'm not coming at you or anything since it sounds sort of interesting, but you have to imagine how this looks.

>>15253547
No not you, was just saying Myatt writes like the post I linked to you

>>15253515
>its the Christian churches

Don't make me laugh, most western occultism is based on jewish mysticism, masonry etc. Jews and their schemes are the missing link that connects all these groups. See Epstein etc. Jews run everything even the church at this point.

>Crowley was working for British Intelligence

Aleister Crowley explicitly condones human sacrifice in his book Magick in Theory and Practice writing a whole chapter. His "Magick" is based on jewish mysticism and the kabbalah. Most modern occultism is derivative of Crowley in some form, he even cites the 'hebrews'. Read page 84 onwards.

https://invisiblehouse.org/pdf/liber004_3.pdf

There are numerous instances of this occurring among the elite today confirmed in /pic related/ and link below by the FBI. The finders cult was a CIA run judeo-satanic state sponsored group, just one of many examples.

https://vault.fbi.gov/the-finders

Animal sacrifice and blood rituals (circumcision sucking etc) is a core part of the jewish religion. The goyim are not classified as human but as animals stated multiple times in the Talmud thus they are eligible for sacrifice. Also it is explicitly stated elsewhere such as in the Zohar.

Dr. Erich Bischoff, the chief German authority on Jewish law and religion, claims to have laid his finger on a passage authorising Ritual Murder in the Thikunne Zohar (Edition Berdiwetsch), a book of cabbalistic theosophy. The passage runs:

"Furthermore, there is a commandment pertaining to the killing of strangers, who are like beasts. This killing has to be done in the lawful method. Those who do not ascribe themselves to the Jewish religious law must be offered up as sacrifices to the High God."

https://anonfile.com/Lcm1m287n4/Leese_Arnold_-_Jewish_Ritual_Murder_EN_1938_141_S._pdf
https://bloodpassover.com/xbp1aug2016withspacesbetweenparagraphs.pdf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnLEr3wJqIg

>>15253646
>/pic related/

>>15253646
>Don't make me laugh, most western occultism is based on jewish mysticism, masonry etc.
And Christianity, only someone who think himself Christian would think occultism and satanism arent inherently Christian.

>>15253053
>>15253607
It is centralised in places like Atomwaffen, National Action etc

Also lone wolves like Tarrant are exactly what they want for their dialectic

>>15253607
>>15253640
There are lots of retard teen larpers who claim to be 09A on the chans, they are mostly just being edgy

>>15253675
ONA at least is a mixture of Middle Eastern and Greek stuff. It almost comes across as more New Age somehow.
>>15253607
Seconded, can you post something actually insightful if you are associated beyond a surface level with them?

>>15253582
Can't be bothered doing your reading for you, there are probably better sources in occult texts but cba to find them:

https://genies.fandom.com/wiki/Lilith
https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/lilith-lady-flying-in-darkness/

Also very interesting read about Jews and Owls in Medieval England:

http://notwithoutmustard.net/docs/hirsch-owls.pdf

>>15253687
>It is centralised in places like Atomwaffen, National Action etc
That's not really what I mean, I think you are aware that those are formerly political movements co-opted by ONA, whereas ONA itself has no hierarchy of its own.
>There are lots of retard teen larpers who claim to be 09A on the chans
Yeah tons on /x/ who can't even say anything you couldn't find out from a quick google.

>>15253687
>lone wolves like Tarrant
tarrant visited israel and pakistan prior to the attack and his shooting tactics give the impression that he was professionally trained, I don't think an ordinary civilian could've done what tarrant did.

>>15253675
Not a christian but lets just agree on Abrahamic

>>15253693
The 09A material published isn't jewish, but its inception and goals are, followers are useful idiots and amoralist faggots
>>15253045

>>15252697
LMAO how fucking stupid do you have to be to advertise your business like that
What a timeline

>>15253646
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesirah
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yemenite_Children_Affair

>>15251104
>he was the leader of the National Socialist Movement (NSM) in the UK - they used to be the biggest Neo-Nazi organization. However, he's since left that group and converted to Islam, though in typical fashion for him, he became a Salafi-Jihadist, so he's still trying to encourage people to be violent terrorists. He basically just seems like a really edgy faggot who should be in prison.
ONA encourage people to undertake insight roles, where they participate in something contrary to their beliefs. They also encourage people to try and take down the dominant system so it makes sense

for all you zoomers out there, don't end up in jail just because you're bored

>>15253736
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yemenite_Children_Affair
I don't think the jews would use their own kin as sacrifices, it would've made more sense if they were goyim children

>>15253711
It does there are decentralised nexions but also a central core nexion, where the role of 'Anton Long' is taken on and most of the literature and direction comes from. Nowadays that is probably Richard Moult and associates.

I'm sure Moult is in contact and instructing other nexions, its not hard to email one another. He's not hard to find/ contact.

If there is no hierachy it sort of undermines their supposed Nietzschean ideal does it not?

notice how all these satanic orders and elite pedo rings are created by angl*s, Angl*s are the true Jews.

>>15251855

marathon running destroys your testosterone. did you see that video of Q boxing his friend? these guys suck

>>15253640
>>15253687
>>15253693
I think this is exactly the epistemic problem, I don't have any, I align with the seven fold way and follow the official MSS published on official sources.

That's the problem that all of you have, you have been lost in our
Labyrinthos Mythologicus, all those mundanes who pretend to be of our kind because of being "alt-right" are in fact being manipulated for our enjoyment or ignorant.

Read all our info regarding the relationship with the right, it's recent so is on the first page mainly: https://omega9alpha.wordpress.com/

Most importantly, none of you, even had the audacity to read our MSS and discover that our means of work are sinister-numinous:
https://omega9alpha.wordpress.com/2019/04/05/progressive-traditional-or-synthesis/

Other user have pointed out how Mr. Myatt is well versed is greek, yet no one has posted information regarding how our rituals and means are based on classic greco-roman occultism:
https://wyrdsister.wordpress.com/2017/08/13/on-sorcery-in-virgils-aeneid/

>>15253828
pretty sure this guy is larping
notice the line break for the labyrinth word
he copy and pasted it which means he didn't know it off by heart
he's probably gone through the thread and picked up a bunch of key terms and is playing everyone here

>>15253468
Can't find any of the sources mentioned. Both
"The mira complex"
and
"narod-m file D"
or clever combinations thereof give 0 hits.

>>15253790
Very good article about Moult:

https://thequietus.com/articles/25716-ona-fascism-nazis-folk-horror-underground-occult

He does do good art to be fair to him, shame he's a judeo-satanic nonce state asset.

>>15253859
notice the line break for the labyrinth word

I did that, I became confused with the idea and lapis philosophicus.

The labyrinth allegory is not as present in the MSS as the references to alchemy.

>>15251433
for me, it's the ordre du temple solaire

>>15253804
Not true, they are just the most exposed, look up dutroux affair for example.

The Netherlands and Belgium are supposed to be the worst for it in Europe. I'm sure America is the epicenter however.

>>15253719
True, he definitely glowed

>>15253878
More importantly, why pointing out error on my person while ignorant the literature I gave. Which is more important.

Are you aware of what it means to be of the ONA kind? You want it so hard to be what you want it to be that you cannot view the fact that the vast majority of us are following the seven fold way.

I've seen this posts from years and none of them, none, has ever made a critique of the sources our order provides. Only Monette has done that.

>>15253646
>Animal sacrifice and blood rituals (circumcision sucking etc) is a core part of the jewish religion. The goyim are not classified as human but as animals stated multiple times in the Talmud thus they are eligible for sacrifice. Also it is explicitly stated elsewhere such as in the Zohar.
False, give sources.

>>15253828
This is exactly the sort of cringe faggotry I would expect from someone of your ilk

>>15253929
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korban
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kapparot

Watch this one, quite funny:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag3JJXCisMg

Also:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTyDhMbfoXQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvkbMB7ZxGQ

Not hard to find info about jewish ritual sacrifice lad.

>>15253929

>>15251104
>does it mean that, as you are offering no comment, you are indeed accepting some responsibility?
Hahahaha the absolute state of the Bongland Broadcasting Corporation.

>>15254005
Is that a chicken with the head of Tsar Nicholas II?

>>15253828
>That's the problem that all of you have, you have been lost in our
>Labyrinthos Mythologicus, all those mundanes who pretend to be of our kind because of being "alt-right" are in fact being manipulated for our enjoyment or ignorant.
A good typical example of the kind of selfcentered, narcist, who are easy to manipulate. People of his kind work only on a single frequency, a trained psychologist with enough experience would easily get things done from him and the subject would never realise, because in their minds, they are the puppet master. Sad really.

>>15253324

We need a to find a Jewish woman, possibly from Shropshire, with contacts in LHP occultism in Manchester in the late 60s early 70s, who moved to Australia for an academic job (different source)

>1969 – 71

>He meets, via a contact in a Manchester Left Hand Path group, the Lady Master, of a traditional Sinister group, whose daughter initiates him into their reclusive sinister ways, and he spends many weeks staying with them, studying, and recording, their aural traditions after which his new Lady Master and her daughter emigrate to Australia, leaving him in charge of their very small Left Hand Path group, numbering less than thirteen people, to which group he gives the name Order of Nine Angles. The young lady who initiates him subsequently (and in Australia) gives birth to Myatt’s daughter, whom Myatt only meets decades later. She and her mother have stipulated that Myatt should have no contact with them, nor try to find them, unless they contact him, a stipulation which he, honorably, honors.

>https://myattandlong.wordpress.com/myatt-and-the-ona/anton-long-a-short-chronology-of-his-life/

Finding her is the key to cracking the enigma of the 09A, but as I said most likely all just jewish gay ops.

>>15253045
>In circumstances that are unclear Temple of the Sun, Camlad and The Noctulians came together in the person of David Myatt and support for Israel’s Yom Kippur War against the Arabs in October 1973

>>15253992
Thanks, but I was referring to the talmud and the zohar attacking non-jews, do you have a source on that?

>>15253920
>none, has ever made a critique of the sources our order provide
Thats because those sources are a smokescreen. We will judge you by your actions and not words and should be done.

>>15254055
Indeed

>>15254063

Not gonna write an essay on the Talmud/ Zohar for you, just read the books below.

>Dr. Erich Bischoff, the chief German authority on Jewish law and religion, claims to have laid his finger on a passage authorising Ritual Murder in the Thikunne Zohar (Edition Berdiwetsch), a book of cabbalistic theosophy. The passage runs:

>"Furthermore, there is a commandment pertaining to the killing of strangers, who are like beasts. This killing has to be done in the lawful method. Those who do not ascribe themselves to the Jewish religious law must be offered up as sacrifices to the High God."

https://anonfile.com/Lcm1m287n4/Leese_Arnold_-_Jewish_Ritual_Murder_EN_1938_141_S._pdf
https://bloodpassover.com/xbp1aug2016withspacesbetweenparagraphs.pdf

>>15253111
how is that a coincidence?

>>15254132
Your pic is full of errors, take this by example:

https://www.sefaria.org/Sanhedrin.59a?lang=bi

This is typical of neo nazis, never reading the original source.

>>15254163
See
>>15253104

He specifically dogwhistles the 09A as

>Involved with Savile when he shows the owl statue

& then dogwhistles the 09A as

>Satanic Marathon Runners

Which both Savile and his parents both were, all of whom live in Leeds. He puts it accross as

>so quirky random haha

But in reality its self-referencial knowledge hidden from his audience.

Anybody have anything linking George Lincoln Rockwell with O9A or satanism or anything like that? I've only read "This Time the World" and it didn't seem very satanic.

>>15254132
Who makes these shitty MS paint infographs and why do they always look the same? Those are all intentionally very mistranslated quotes, and the biblical rites of sacrifice didn't involve humans. Just read even the fucking christian old testament you fucking pseud.

Exodus 20:24 New International Version (NIV)

24 “‘Make an altar of earth for me and sacrifice on it your burnt offerings and fellowship offerings, your sheep and goats and your cattle. Wherever I cause my name to be honored, I will come to you and bless you.

Oh no let me guess god is a jew now so the old testament text was compromised, huh?

>>15254005
>>15254049
>Is that a chicken with the head of Tsar Nicholas II?
Yes, and there was a brief market for memorabilia (usually postage) of things like this around the time.
>https://www.newsweek.com/russians-revive-jewish-blood-libel-murder-romanovs-744567
Arial Toaff's "Blood Passover" as a person of the book's perspective is necessary reading.

>>15254206

It is the discussion of noahide laws - one stating gentiles should be killed (Devarim 33:4).

>The Gemara responds that a non-Jew receives such honor and credit only if he studies those parts of the Torah that apply to him

The conclusion is they should be killed unless they are studying only the bits that relate to the gentiles role. Just more pilpul. Read this article brainlet:

>https://steinsaltz.org/daf/sanhedrin59/

My point is still valid.

>>15254292
>intentionally very mistranslated quotes
I take rabbinic scholars asked in interview point blank, answering with candor by their co-coreligionists on such things at their word; English renderings of Talmud/Zohar go to particular lengths to cope away problematic racializing and genocidal language.

>the biblical rites of sacrifice didn't involve humans
And 'the oral law' has zero relation to the Old Testament. None. Was it only written down in 800 AD, or only composed then out of wholecloth? Judah and Levi casuistic pharisee LARP in reaction formation against assimilation/hemorrhaging to Christianity do not constitute 12 Tribes of Israel.

>>15254292

It is an esoteric tradiiton not exoteric. Just read these faggot, one is even written by the son of a rabbi.

https://anonfile.com/Lcm1m287n4/Leese_Arnold_-_Jewish_Ritual_Murder_EN_1938_141_S._pdf
https://bloodpassover.com/xbp1aug2016withspacesbetweenparagraphs.pdf

>>15254434
You fell for the lowest form of conspiracy shit. I can't begin to imagine how it must feel to be this much of a brainless fuck. I hope you don't breed.

>>15254373
It's Hebrew you fucking mong. You can pick up a dictionary and translate for yourself. Use your fucking brain for once in your life.
>And 'the oral law' has zero relation to the Old Testament. None.
Just happens to be practiced by the exact same people, and the old testament is based on the jewish text from the same period as they acquired the oral traditions. By being this stupid you only make them look good.

>>15253869

Apparently desecrating corpses is gonna bring a new aeon, what fucking faggots holy shit

>Following my approach for an interview, MMP Temple took down both their Bandcamp and Facebook pages – the latter containing images (see below) of desecrated human remains, including a rotting human head (grave robbing is an offence under the 1984 Anatomy Act)

https://thequietus.com/articles/25716-ona-fascism-nazis-folk-horror-underground-occult

>>15254467

ok juden

>>15250949
Is Q in O9A? are his antics “insight” exercises? he did make a video about them

>>15254531
Keep hating, keep lying, keep believing lies. It hasn't worked in the last 4000 years and all it has done is destroy everything you love. All the empires and things you cherished. But maybe you'll be the one that finally uncovers the truth, huh?

>>15251544
Azov is also involved with the Militant Black Metal subculture

>>15254132
Ariel Toaff disagrees that the use of human blood had any basis in Jewish scripture or the overwhelming rabbinical consensus. Sure, some Jews did/do this fucked up blood stuff, but it's a major minority and the 'justification' for it in the scripture is tenuous at the very best. Also, let's try keep it 09A and not veer off on a tangent.

>>15254565
The chutzpah of a jew accusing others of lying, whats the mantra? Remember the 6 million, remember the pedal powered masturbation machines

Jews have been blood libeling europeans for millennia.

>>15254614
I agree, I shall stop getting de-railed by jews now, point is they are foundational to western occultism

>>15251909

>sowing internal discord during peace time

Firstly this isn't peace time, I guess you could say it never is in this context but economies are set to crash any day now, this crisis has accelerated the death of the petrodollar and the rise of the 'fourth industrial revolution', and new unprecedented trade blocs are being formed (Israel themselves might end up cutting at least some of their ties with the US and allying with China and Russia).
But also one of the main purposes is to try to create an artificial dichotomy on the nationalist right, where you're either a christian conservative capitalist, or a satanic nazbol SIEGEtard.

I wonder what these people think of King Terry the Terrible

>>15253241
>Their website lists "secret menu items" to this day. See bottom near news letter.
what? cant find this

>>15253607
>We are a decentralized group with no dogma, you can join, change and critique everything
lol reminds me of Sargon of Akkad's brief attempt to create "liberalism".

>>15253375
I didn’t realize that Gladio was the operation behind terrorist attacks in Italy from the 60s to 80s. I recall reading a letter written by Julius Evola who’s obviously at least read in really fringe far right circles condemning these attacks and alleging something along those lines. I just thought that was interesting.

>>15250949
I don't involve myself in groups but o9a is by far the most based shit out there. the sevenfold path is basically a practical guide to becoming an Ubermensch

>>15253515

>muh jews
>muh christians

Look up the Sabbateans and the Frankists. Sabbatai Zevi was followed by half of the entire jewish population at one point, most of whom believed he was the Messiah. He and the Frankists helped popularize Kabbalah and taught a doctrine that we would today call Gnostic or even Luciferian.
Zevi ended up converting to Islam (in 1666 iirc, or that could've been the year he was claimed to be the messiah, can't remember), and many of his followers did the same. They became the 'Donmeh' (who themselves went on to form the Young Turks).

There's loose information all over, but if you look into the history of Kabbalah (and how it forms the basis of virtually every single elite occult group today), into the Knights Templar, the Venetians/'Black Nobility', and the family history of the Saudis, you can eventually plot an exact timeline of how these groups and beliefs evolved from each other. The Eastern European Chabad Lubavitch - the world's most influential jewish group, connected to Trump and Putin and all the Russian oligarchs (THIS is what 'Russiagate' was really about), among others, and the actual leading faction in Israel itself - also helped popularize Kabbalah, and most likely come from these same circles.

>>15255039
you sound like youre 16

>>15255039

Forgot to mention that Menachem Mendel Schneerson of Chabad Lubavitch was also believed to be the key to the Messiah, if not the Messiah himself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnhMntRHqpo

>>15250949
just read Thus Spoke Zarathustra

>>15251181
The Daily Stormer has written many articles about it, which expose the phenomenon as being orchestrated by federal intelligence agencies. Basically the feds allow these fake satanists, who are working with/for them, to proselytize their satanism and try to convince individuals in these nationalist groups to engage in violence, so they can bust them and use them as examples of "Neonazi domestic terrorism."

You'd have to be a fool to join any club at this point. Given how diligently they've been banned from the internet over the last few years, the only logical reason the remaining ones can be allowed to exist is so the government can lead the opposition.

>>15255057

lol ok, I mean I'm just giving the briefest rundown I can, care to actually refute anything I've said?

>>15255105
suck my cock you literal sperg

>>15253646
Wasn’t Crowley actually talking about ejaculation in coded language when he was referring to sacrifice though? I’ve heard that stated several times and that makes it sound like just an edgier way of condoning sex magick.

>>15254961

Look right at the bottom of the page

https://sancarlo.co.uk/restaurants/flying-pizza-leeds/

>>15253888
America is rarely the epicenter of anything though. This idea that America is the root of all evil is simply not true. America and it’s elites are just the headline actors that get to take the stage. The people behind the scenes are typically located elsewhere and it’s not exactly a unified conglomerate. It’s more like warring factions within a single paradigm.

>>15255126
Nah that is just hamfisted Thelemite COPE, it is there in plain language. He is on record as having conducted animal blood sacrifices.

>>15254998
perhaps also quite significant in spreading his ideas in the English-speaking world as a number of people alleged to be involved in the Bologna bombing move to London and work with the ITP.

>>15255057
>>15255118
faggot

>>15255039
Based

>>15255126
Read it for yourself, starts on page 71 of pdf

https://ia600606.us.archive.org/24/items/CollectedPdfsByAleisterCrowley/AleisterCrowley-MagickInTheoryAndPractice.pdf

I was listening to a podcast a few months ago with an episode on O9A and it was really interesting. Would love to find out more.

Any proper books on them? All I can find are their own esoteric writings. I would prefer an dispassionate account of their history and beliefs, maybe a book on 20th century occultism. Any recs?

>>15254554
I can’t be sure but I personally don’t think so. He’s obviously aware of them somewhat and I think he adopts the imagery as way to be edgy. I watched that live stream he had a while back and he came off pretty insecure and immature, not at all like someone who was particularly satanic. Then again, I’ve seen stuff alleging that his family are secretly nudists and he discusses all kinds of sexual things with his mom and sister and then there’s obviously his videos and his clear obsession his own appearance. These are pretty common fixations, behaviors, and giveaways displayed in children who have been victims of sexual abuse and then obvious he’s local so who knows.

>>15255369
This is pretty good anon

Black Sun: Aryan Cults, Esoteric Nazism, and the Politics of Identity

by Nicholas Goodrick-Clarke

https://ia800205.us.archive.org/8/items/BlackSunAryanCultsEsotericNazismAndThePoliticsOfIdentity2002-NicholasGoodrick-Clarke/nicholas%20goodrick-clarke%20-%20black%20sun%20-%20aryan%20cults%2C%20esoteric%20nazism%2C%20and%20the%20politics%20of%20identity%20%282002%29.pdf

So why do they hate the liberal elite? Don't they claim the elite do what they like i.e. sacrificing kids to Moloch?

>>15254581
Tbh one of the many problems which make this all so convoluted is the post-WWII far right has a tendency to casually adopt all sorts of symbolism and imagery. It’s a bit like that anime Neon Genesis Evangelion which is filled to the brim with Christian imagery but which has been maintained that it doesn’t contain Christian messages (I think it does but that’s another topic). I mean how popular is it now to see NatSocs using the Sonnenrad or evoking pagan imagery without actually knowing what any of it means. Another example is how widely read guys like Serrano are who deliberately talks about Luceferianism but in a way that would be easy to misunderstand.

>>15251457
aquino and co are Plato
o9a is Diogenes
we know how that story played out

>>15255414
Wow that is great, thanks fren. Do you happen to know of any books on the topic that are more general too, as in not far right or nazi esoteric specifically? This is a fascinating topic and I am enthralled by Devi and Thule Society etc but I would love some overall coverage too.

>>15255281
If you mean, Evola I don’t really know anything about that but what I mean is he seems to be co-opted by the radical religious far right pretty often but I’ve seen writings of his alleging that he never supported any of that and claiming it was state organized long before that ever came to light. That’s a bit contradictory in my opinion. I think he’d opposed to this sort of thing.

>>15255393
He is always throwing satanic imagery, tarot cards into his videos, i'm pretty sure he has some involvement in the occult however minimal.

Someone was saying their family have thelemic conenctions too, in this video on his bands fb page he was reading this thelemic book.

facebook dot com forward slash

nowthatihavebegunicannotstopthisendlesspain/videos/1412764478774989/

Book:

https://www.amazon.com/Liber-Null-Psychonaut-Introduction-Chaos/dp/0877286396

>>15255414
Based, I've been wanting to read this.

I knew some guys adjacent to it. Its gay larpy cringe shit.

how do you people take this LARPshit seriously

>>15254346
You need understand the nature of the Talmud, it's fullof contradictions and open to interpretation: https://www1.biu.ac.il/indexE.php?id=18690&pt=1&pid=14212&level=0&cPath=43,14206,14211,14212,18690

>>15255369
The only high quality research has been done by Monette.

>>15255489
Sounds interesting, do you know where I could find them?

>>15255496

From personal correspondence with him about a year back, he pretty much considers his YouTube to be one big magickal ritual, although he didn't exactly say what the culmination was. I dunno, it's also like every single time I talked to the guy he was playing a different character.

>>15255784
Thanks anon

>>15255628
You can be an ultraskeptic and still take violent religious death cults seriously.

>>15255854
They were in Italian but I think one in which referred to it was a letter to Carl Schmitt. The others I don’t recall exactly. Perhaps you can find them if you search around the internet.

>>15256073
Thanks! Some of them seem to be available in English at Gornahoor.

>>15253828
It's not Greek hermeticism though, it's just claimed that so they can call it Aryan or whatever when it's actually kabbalah and other middle eastern stuff

>>15255966
Very interesting anon, I suspected as much, it is the perfect medium for such a thing, and he seems devoted to it. How did you speak to him? And what else did he say?

Culmination? I dread to think

>every single time I talked to the guy he was playing a different character

dissociative identity disorder maybe? He clearly has mental issues

Nick Land is an occultist - perhaps 09a?

>>15256630
>Nick Land is an occultist
source?

>perhaps 09a?
Why do you think this?

"They could tell everybody what to do, if they know real magic." I only shook my head to that, but I have thought much about it since. It seems to me there are two objections to the boy's idea, though expressed in a more mature form it must appear more convincing.

The first is that so little knowledge is passed from one generation to the next by the magicians. My own training was in what may be called the most fundamental of the applied sciences; and I know from it that the progress of science depends much less upon either theoretical considerations or systematic investigation than is commonly believed, but rather on the transmittal of reliable information, gained by chance or insight, from one set of men to their successors. The nature of those who hunt after dark knowledge is to hoard it even in death, or to transmit it so wrapped in disguise and beclouded with self-serving lies that it is of little value. At times, one hears of those who teach their lovers well, or their children; but it is the nature of such people seldom to have either, and it may be that their art is weakened when they do.

The second is that the very existence of such powers argues a counterforce. We call powers of the first kind dark, though they may use a species of deadly light as Decuman did; and we call those of the second kind bright, though I think that they may at times employ darkness, as a good man nevertheless draws the curtains of his bed to sleep. Yet there is truth to the talk of darkness and light, because it shows plainly that one implies the other.

The tale I read to little Severian said that the universe was but a long word of the Increate's. We, then, are the syllables of that word. But the speaking of any word is futile unless there are other words, words that are not spoken. If a beast has but one cry, the cry tells nothing; and even the wind has a multitude of voices, so that those who sit indoors may hear it and know if the weather is tumultuous or mild. The powers we call dark seem to me to be the words the Increate did not speak, if the Increate exists at all; and these words must be maintained in a quasi-existence, if the other word, the word spoken, is to be distinguished. What is not said can be important—but what is said is more important. Thus my very knowledge of the existence of the Claw was almost sufficient to counter Decuman's spell.

And if the seekers after dark things find them, may not the seekers after bright find them as well? And are they not more apt to hand their wisdom on?

>>15256674
>>Nick Land is an occultist
>source?
have you read ccru and fanged noumena shit? the man is literally citing grant and crowley and trying to make a darkside kabbalah that is even more radically opposed to the tree of life than the tree of knowledge, plus uk has thriving occult scene (and glowie scene)

>>15256720
Interesting.

>darkside kabbalah

Isn't that the qlippoth?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qliphoth

I never knew people took the O9A this seriously. I always assumed they were just another group of Satanists. I have a few of their books and releases. Fairly sure they had ties to NZ way back in the day, was a decent number of texts coming out of here and being published.

>>15256780
>qliphoth
Yes and no. That is that. But not this. He is extra edgy and unique. More incompleteness 0-9 instead of 1-10 , it corresponds with goetia somehow