/lit/ - Literature

genuinely worse than TLoTiaT

>>15232865
that's just harsh

>>15232790
it seems like the only unifying factor here is net-based politically- or philosophically-engaged doomerism. what agenda would this call for? what actual ideology would it hold aside from a disdain for liberal identity politics?

*ahem*

FUCK fascists
FUCK reactionaries
FUCK incels

>>15232948
I'll post some commonalities posted from last thread.

>They're all incredibly anti-liberal and anti-neoliberal, as well as skeptical if not outright revolutionary in their perspective on capitalism. They were born from Twitter, the Chans and other online forums, and make frequent attacks on all establishment forms. They're also, and I'm including chappos, red scare and trueanon in this, very scarcely ideological. They don't offer revolutionary ideas or have a platform beyond the chappos being a sort of alt-Pravda for the Berniecrats
>But I want to touch a delicate commonality. They have all flirted with some crypto-fascist personalities, see: Moldbug, Nick Land, Steve Bannon, etc.

Also pic related is some OC an Anon did. Should've posted the archive link to last night's thread in the OP, well, here it is:

>>/lit/thread/S15225298

The best writing from the entire NRx/Frogtwitter/Chapo crowd isn't from any of the famous people. It was from obscure writers who contributed only occasionally to places like Social Matter, Thermidor, and Jacobite. I do remember reading on websites like that things that I thought constituted good writing. But it was never any of the big names.

>>15232998
this just sounds like some lukewarm altlite shit
I miss actual neonazi skinheads at this point, this stuff is so gay

>>15233002
the best thing any of them wrote was Jim's Natural Law essay
https://jim.com/rights.html

SM and Thermidor had some interesting stuff from time to time but they started trying to be too specific a niche and getting afraid of very transgressive stuff.

We don't have anything in common with any of the faggots you just mentioned. Besides kantbot, if you cant come at least halfway and make a stand on the important on race and white interests then you can gtfo. Red scare and Chapo and justin Murphy types are just anti woke versions of neo libs. The outcome with them will still be the same. They are not revolutionaries or vanguards.

>>15233035
>if you cant come at least halfway and make a stand on the important on race and white interests then you can gtfo

>>15232790
i like delicious tacos but at the end of the day it's just garden variety smut, isn't it? just relayed in a houllebecqian fashion. the guy has even admitted to not having any grand designs and just wants to make a decent buck

and trueanon seems quite far removed from all of that other stuff. scratch the surface and you'll find two berniefags with tinfoil hats

Stop shilling your stupid wojak documentary

>>15233035
>we

Speak for yourself, retard.

i don't about you guys, but i think that all this coronavirus bullshit, social isolation and the upcoming economic crisis, is giving rise to an unique opportunity of umping the doomer-radicalist aesthetics to the max, going mainstream and establishing a new "alt-left" of sorts in order to dismantle capital, no-wokeness, no-bullshit
what do you think?

>>15233035
>we
lmao, also fuck off and go back to /pol/

>>15233035
>make a stand on the important on race and white interests
good god fuck off you twerp

>>15233058
Go for it, I just want to immanentize the dream of a ridiculous man.

>>15233045
He's right though, all this abstract theory and these guys are still basically apologizing for being white. Until you have completely scrubbed the impulse to defer to minorities on race you're just a progressive.

>>15233058
>what do you think?
'no'

we're far too deep into the wammin/minority/lgbt sensitivity swamp. cyber-mannerbunds will be laughed out of 'serious politics' (no matter how little legitimacy you ascribe to them)

Best book to come out of that side of Twitter imo. DT is Hollaback-tier smut, Dooner and Mike Ma are unironically bad at writing, Red scare is bougie as fuck and has a lack of self-awareness that could only exist in Brooklyn. Haven't read Logo's book but I'm looking forward to Kantbot's.

>>15233045
>>15233054
>>15233058
>>15233061
Lmao I had no idea lit was so full of total faggots. Sorry but the type of society you want works best in a homogeneous high iq high trust society. Aka white.

>>15233092
but don't you realize we're living in strange times, literally anything can happen, woke politics is already in decline

>>15233107
Laughing my ass off

>>15233107
I am a Catholic who believes in an Confessor state where Protestants, Muslims, Jews, and atheists are second-class citizens. I don't give a shit about your race, I just care that you're loyal to the Pope.

>>15233107
see >>15232984

>>15233120
E Michael Jones tier retardation. Have fun in Africa buddy

>>15233123
The impulse to say 'fuck fascists' etc comes to you 100% from a desire to not be attacked by the progressive elite who dictate what is allowed to be said and what is fashionable. If you're going to basically just be a footsoldier for them what is the point of even larping as a Communist or whatever?

If the Progressives decide one day that being a Communist is as low status as being a Fascist you'll have to drop all your beliefs right away or you'll be associated with the racists and incels. What is the point of this cautious pseudo-rebellion, do you honestly find it fun to play dress up?

>>15233105
BAP is just far-right though, wouldn't really group him with the doomer-radicals.

>>15233156
lol you have no idea what you're talking about

>>15233156
dude you forgot to tell him to read 1984

>>15233162
He's from Frogtwitter just like Kantbot, DT, and Logo, regardless of how you set up your own internal autistic categories. Do you not think Kantbot and Logo are far right?

So no one here has anything interesting to say about LD or TD's books?

(ignore the fascists, yesterday the same shit happened, people got baited, and thread got derailed)

>>15233180
>>15233171
Every single belief you have that you absolutely would never consider questioning was given to you by Progressives and you know it's true.

You'd a thousand times rather be thought of as a capitalist or a republican than a racist

>>15233189
>Do you not think Kantbot and Logo are far right?
they clearly aren't tho?

>>15233195
We already did dork. Logos book is good and tacos book is good too. That's about it. Idk if you're OP but the term doomer radical will never fucking catch on. You're a dumb fucking idiot. Just go vote for bernie and shut the fuck up.

>>15233220
>Just go vote for bernie
but we literally can't, that's precisely why doomer-radicals are becoming so relevant
if you don't like that term, you can propose a more catchy one

>>15233199
>Thinking as long as race power is maintained virtuous society will follow
Good luck with that. Just because you think in very simple categories does not mean the world will function on that currency. This is why white supremacists need the jews and all they represent, to hide the fact that if this kind of homogeneous unity were possible and sustainable we'd have had it already.

>>15233255
Im not a white nationalist, im not even an ethnonationalist of some specific white ethnicity. I find the entire concept ridiculous.

I'm talking about the absolute stranglehold progressives have on these categories of belief. This is hardly news, you all already know this, but you don't want to be associated with any of those groups because they're the lowest status people in our society.

>>15233253
You'll get another candidate just like bernie in 2024 and do the whole thing over again. And eventually you'll win and get what you want and nothing about society will be any different except that this time you got your meme candidate instead of the other guys. Like I said bro, you seem like a nice genuine person whose heart is in the right place, but nothing about what you want is revolutionary. You just want to tweak the status quo so you dont have to do sjw stuff and you get free healthcare.

>>15233255
It's not about race power, it's about minimizing ethnic conflict. It's partly about admitting to the fact that the productive ecosystems we are working with right now were built on fairly homogeneous peoples and it's partly about admitting to the fact that the powers that be are currently maximizing ethnic conflict.

>>15233284
I mean, I think all these guys are crypto-communists, in the sense they're just selling it to you in a different, refreshing anti-woke aesthetic, just like the alt-right sold white supremacy in the form of a cool memetic aesthetic
So are you like a high IQ communist or something?

>>15233304
Ethnic homogeneity does not guarantee cohesion nor can you control and manage the character of a populace. Again, you think things were once simple and conflict and complication have always existed. Your categories are arbitrary and they won't work, regardless of how society feels about race.

>>15232790
Niggers commit the majority of violent crimes. Is that woke?

>>15233206
If BAP is far right so is Kantbot. They travel in the exact same circles they just fetishize different time periods' literature.

>>15233315
I agree with you on the first point. I sorta agree with you on the second. Although the term white supremacist is lame. People like me just want to be able to have our own thing. And no bro im alt right/dissident right/ post modern right/ white nationalist/ whatever you want to call it it doesn't matter to me

>>15232984
I don’t know who this person is and yet I’m certain everyone who associates with him is a faggot

>>15233331
This is dumb. Ethnic homogeneity leads to higher levels of cohesion. Nobody ever said it would eliminate it totally. The category of race isn't nonsensical, basic genetics proves this alone. We all know nature>nurture.

>>15233331

>>15233331
Education does not guarantee increased knowledge but that doesn't make education worthless.

>>15233331
>Ethnic homogeneity does not guarantee cohesion
Nothing guarantees cohesion, everything guarantees death. You're too fucking blind to see how every "leftist" project is torpedoed by poc privilege stack antics because you've been taught not to think in these categories. You're politically useless
>Again, you think things were once simple and conflict and complication have always existed.
I have no trouble pitting catholics and protestants against each other if push comes to shove. I'm not being categorical here, you are. I see the difference between less productive and more productive political set-ups. Right now I'll to always go for the populist who dogwhistles about criminal immigrants.
>Your categories are arbitrary and they won't work
Every category is arbitrary

>>15232790
>This could really be the birth of something relevant

>>15233331
>Ethnic homogeneity does not guarantee cohesion

Nothing does; but there is more cohesion within ethnic homogeneous areas than mixed.

>>15233346
I haven't listened to all of his podcasts, but from what I listened, he didn't come off as far-right, more like a crypto-communist that thinks he's too smart to call himself a leftist and thinks it's funny and intellectually (in an autistic way) stimulating to engage with far right weirdos.

>>15233371
>>15233382
Except when it doesn't. Factionalism and strife will still take place eventually. Or, the required isolationism will allow other countries to supercede your country either economically or in warfare. I see no reason why ensuring ethnic homogeneity would solve any of the problems the alt right say that it will besides issues that can be solved with population decrease in itself.

>>15233405
This could be true. The thing about kantbot and logo is that they're so deep in irony and trying to seem smarter and cooler than everyone else that you really have no idea what they think. Kantbot literally admitted to doing this just for his entertainment in that Tfw no gf doc.

>>15233388
I'm not acting as an apologist for leftism. I'm simply saying that all the conflict that would be necessary to control ethnic stratification would eventually be moot and fall apart anyway.

This thread is full of leftists who can't come to terms with the fact that the far right is broadly anti-capitalist so to cope they've opted to just call the most anti-capitalist elements of the far right secretly leftist.

>>15233413
Wow bro you really figured it out that strife and conflict will always be around. Good for you man. WE ARE SAYING THAT ITS DECREASED WHEN COMPARED TO A ETHNICALLY DIVERSE SOCIETY YOU FUCKING IDIOT. Oh man and god fucking forbid another country is stronger than us economically or militarily. God how awful would that be if we werent number fucking with the GDP. Go fuck yourself neocon

>>15233432
The terms left and right are wholly useless to use when the far left, who are mostly Marxists, define them in terms of capitalism, and the far right define them in terms of monarchy and related concepts.

>>15233432
the only difference between a far right anti-capitalist and a leftist is the jews and the racism. do you really see fucking kantbot unironically thinking shit like what the unironic fascists have posted on this very thread?
exactly, you fucking retard

>>15233417
but they're just nerds who have no grasp of anything other than their special areas of interest (and barely even that). their whole 'dude academia sucks' is just a big cope. all they have to show after years of brand-building is their collected tweets and some failed podcasts

>>15233440
And the cost of implementing these policies, the force required, would not be worth the benefit, is what I'm saying. You make society more cohesive by killing off half your populace to spread prosperity as well. Is that worth it?

>>15233450
What do jews and racism have to do with class analysis exactly? Seems like an entirely different concept. Was Marx particularly antiracist or projew?

>>15233413
Same argument can be used against commies arguing for solidarity. There is no solidarity under the identity politics that dominates the left, because it increases infighting. There's a reason the CIA backed this stuff as a wedge issue.

>>15233456
My meme answer is just yes. Get rid of them. The world is overpopulated anyways. But a serious answer would still be yes. You would laugh at the idea of peaceful ethnic cleansing but it happens all the time. If millions of Mexicans can migrate to america then we can make the migrate somewhere else, preferably back home. Also after ww1 many different subsections of European populations were moved around peacefully, old countries disbanded and entirely new ones created. All is possible dont be so pessimistic

>>15233465
reminder that left and right are just arbitrary labels
you can be anti-capitalist all you want, but if you're a white supremacist then you're far right, it's just how the labels have been defined, there's no much room for denying a definition, isn't it?

>>15233405
Kantbot? In one of his interviews with Moldbug he pretty adamantly affirmed Moldbug's explanation of the 20th century as communists teaming up with anti-anticommunists to defeat anticommunists and then subverting the anti-anticommunists from within. His twitter is basically just him shilling his podcast and kowtowing to people to get them to come on now, but he's been around for years and I can tell you right now that when he was less ironic he was NRx. You can go look up his 8 year old political screeds on his blog and it's all very Moldbugian. When people like him engage with Marxists on their own terms its not because he's trying to be a Marxist, it's because he's trying to wittle them away from the Left. Moldbug did the same shit with Progressives a decade ago.

>>15233450
>only wignats are right wing
Is this some kind of double false flag?

>>15233496
kantbot hangs out with communists irl

>>15233492
Who are you trying to convince lol? Im not an anticapitalist or a white supremacist, im just poking holes in your retarded ideology

And honestly it should be harder for me than to just pit racism against class warfare. I mean you're larping as a Leftist, just own it and talk about class analysis.

>>15233505
He lives in New York and he has connections to academia, no shit

Can we get back to capitalist eugenics and praising Singapore instead?

The reason we are not actually talking about Kantbot or Logo or Delicious Tacos in this thread, the reason this thread has gone off-topic, is that none of these guys are actually any good. Logo's book is mediocre. Kantbot is a mediocrity who knows some cool trivia and is a convivial podcast host, but so what? So is Bill Simmons. Tacos is probably the best of the bunch but that is like being the tallest midget.

NONE of these guys are geniuses. None of the guys on Chapo or Red Scare or whatever are geniuses. They are riding a wave that they did not create and they were all in the right place at the right time. And even with all that, what have they actually produced? What great art, what great beauty, have they produced? >>15233002 is right, the only genuinely good writing I ever saw from this crowd was from people who didn't become "personalities" like Kantbot et al. have become.

If any of these people were great artists, we'd know it. We'd know it when we saw it. It's like how you can read Moby-Dick or "The Dead" in Dubliners and be instantly arrested. You know genius when you read it. These guys aren't geniuses. These ideas they're bandying around, playing with like toys, may some day be taken up by people who ARE geniuses, and great art may be created based around them. But these guys, themselves, are basically carnival barkers. You should use them insofar as they're useful, but don't look to them as luminaries.

>>15233520
/thread

>>15233487
This is true

>>15233488
>We can make them migrate somewhere else
What if they have family members that can vote or pursue successful cases against such government policy?
How do you deal with sympathetic whites?
How do you create the infrastructure to either incentivize or force people out without damaging beneficial economic relations.
This is my point, you are assuming a level of control can be attained which, in reality, is impossible. Your feeling that this all can be easily solved because you ignore the costs as unimportant just shows that like all fringe idealists all you really want is for things to be simple.

>>15233496
>only wignats are right wing
point me to far right anti-capitalism ideologies, apart from white supremacy related shit, that aren't total LARPs, inconsistent or just plain trolling

>>15233120
thats gay

>>15233520
based

>>15233530
Everyone calling themselves anti-capitalist on both sides of the political spectrum is a LARPer, so I don't know what kind of point you're trying to prove by including that qualifier.

I'll never understand why those guys or quentin try to promote themselves by remaining anonymous, as if trying to force the idea that they're more popular or interesting than they actually are. It's transparent and dishonest.

>>15233530
Integralists, distributists, radical islamists

>>15233529
Idk bro ask these countries. You need to understand history and that everything you think is "impossible" has already been done before. Dont be so naive. Fucking obviously it's not simple. I never said it was simple. But if you get power you can literally do almost anything you want. Its up to you if its genocidal or not

>>15233530
You do realize capitalism in inherently Jewish? Marx even called out the Jewish bourgeois for exploiting the poor. Capitalism economics and Nazi doesn’t go with each other. Nazi private property was heavily monitored by the state to the point that it private in name only

>>15233520
OP here. Them being useful is precisely what I'm interested in. That's why I created this thread. I think the wave they've been riding could be useful, and I just wanted to develop this idea with like-minded folk ITT in order to see where it may lead, or if there were potentialities for radical memetic politics involved. But apparently /lit/ has been co-opted by fascists. You're cool though.

>>15233035
>calling chapo neolibs

Damn, that's what I call an uninformed opinion

>>15232790
>Yesterday, unfortunately, the thread was ruined by unironic fascists
feels good.

>>15233560
You understand that literally everything that is said on this website, on twitter, and on the blogs we are talking about, is allowed to exist by the people who actually write the laws and enforce them? This is literally all larping.

Go out and actually try to form a society detached from a government and see how long it takes you to get shot in the head.

>>15233563
>But if you get power you can literally do almost anything you want
Yes every world leader has always had absolute authority, they've never had checks of any kind on their power. Why do you insist that nuance or administrative difficulty doesn't exist? And showing that massive change took place after an upheaval like WWI kind of proves my point. You just want to tear the whole system down because you don't understand it, you've just picked race as your lens. You're no different from any other totalitarian, and even if you got what you wanted you'd realize nothing actually fits in that box.

>>15233568
This "wave" only exists in your own head.

>>15233574
Lmao sorry you're retarded bro. But wanting free healthcare doesn't disqualify you from being a neo lib

>>15233586
No, I was referencing the "wave" the author of the post I quoted cited. And I cite:

>They are riding a wave that they did not create and they were all in the right place at the right time

>>15233560
They are on the same level as the accels like nyx and justin murphy that astrofturfed and spammed their crap here

>>15233577
okay dear gay nazi discord man

>>15233420
>Dude, it's too difficult, it wont even work...
Your goal is to control the selection pressures. Ideally, you should select for a bunch of moral stuff and intelligence. Stuff that allows for growth, competitiveness and inventiveness. Stuff you should not select for: die-hard la raza ethnonationalists who will only play the game of ethnic cooperation because of how fucking useful it is for getting power
I'm not saying that you should murder brown people, I'm saying that you should be completely clear on what you're doing. Leftists are right now paving the way low-level schemers in a dysfunctional favela setting. They have *no* selection pressures because they're completely useless against moneyed interest bringing people in from all over the world. You can't even police these minorities because that's a form of racist police brutality.

A dogwhistling populist is not some perfect model but it's far more useful at this point

Sometimes I feel this is just a big glownigger psyop, lmao what the fuck is this thread

>>15233609
Glowniggers are all Mormons, women and PoC now mate, I doubt they're smart enough to manufacture a good psyop anymore.

>>15233091
I think at least the Red Scare girls have fully abandoned white apology and equivalent cucked idpol positions, maybe Chapo too, the minimal use of apologetic language like priveledge checking or whatever is basically vestigial.

>>15233617
okay mister government man

>Yes every world leader has always had absolute authority, they've never had checks of any kind on their power.

Never said this

> Why do you insist that nuance or administrative difficulty doesn't exist?

I literally just said it wasnt simple just doable. Actually try to read my reply next time

> And showing that massive change took place after an upheaval like WWI kind of proves my point.

No it proves my point that large systems and countries are never set in stone and always subject to change depending on who had power. Like history always proves

>You just want to tear the whole system down because you don't understand it, you've just picked race as your lens. You're no different from any other totalitarian, and even if you got what you wanted you'd realize nothing actually fits in that box.

This is just some crypto commie goobly gook bullshit. Waaahhh you're beating me in argument so I'll just say you dont understand it, pretend to be smarter and call you racist.

>>15233594
So you're both delusional, congrats.

>>15233568
But useful in what way? What, exactly, are you looking for? A new literary movement? A movement in philosophy? In aesthetics? That would require actual artists and geniuses, and there's no greater guarantee you'll find them here on /lit/ than you would on Twitter. What, precisely, do you expect this "wave" to produce, and what does /lit/ have to do with it? Beyond simply discussing it, of course.

>>15233602
>gay nazi discord man
I will adopt this as my moniker if you give me a discord invite, it's the only missing link

>>15233628
No seriously, when is the last time you've seen an effective psyop from the glow-in-the-darks since 9/11? All they have nowadays is pure memeing to power via news outlets.

>>15233630
>>15233583
Fuck forgot the reply. Fuck phoneposting

The Post-woke Radicalists haven't had time enough to write their own literature yet, and who knows if they will. I think that what we're experiencing now is more an illiterate series of D'Annunzio's to an eventual fascist analogue, though not necessarily a far-right movement. It's a proto-movement, and whatever the eventual school of thinking that comes out of this is, we can probably retroactively refer to the Kantbot-Red Scare conglomeration as the proto-whatever.

Post-woke radicalism will be the ideology of the Zoomers, most likely. Naming it before that generation emerges with their new, schizophrenic philosophies is probably redundant. I say this as someone who attempted half the names of last night's thread. I think /lit/ can watch and observe and perhaps play some part in it, but the historical moment is too infantile now. What we are seeing is more or less the farsical second coming of Sorel, Valois and Maurras, who are presently dancing between various different political positions from absolute anarchic communism, to neo-feudal absolutism, and various shades of primitivism (BAP, Allen, others).

>>15233092
I don’t think so, look at Biden, his whole character should be condemned by the sensitivity swamp stuff but the neoliberal establishment uses him all the same, he makes it clear that all that id pol stuff was just a tool used by neolibs, now that’s its outlived it’s usefulness it will be forgotten

>>15233520
I want to be a great artist for you anon-kun

Genuinely the worst thread I've seen on here in a long time. Garbage premise to begin with and it's gotten even worse as the thread has gone on, which is all it deserves. Ironic grifters aren't a fucking counterculture. Anti-Woke leftism is old hat, welcome to 2016.

>>15233608
Explain to me how you measure for "moral stuff," as in, what particular signifiers and forms of statistical analysis you use to test this kind of measure. Explain how these tests are foolproof and cannot be circumvented. Explain how successive populations can be maintained, logistically, in a way that they have such-and-such a character of probity and intelligence and how this, furthermore, will all continue through the vagaries of economic strife, war, disease, etc. Answering with abstract goals and claiming fiat doesn't cut it, is my point. Follow this path and the necessary steps to even put it in place and you'll see why mainstream people treat you like a lunatic.

>>15233588
Seems to me that the majority of everything they say is pretty much in complete opposition to neoliberalism. Maybe there's some "blue no matter who" bullshit your dysfunctional brain is mistaking them for?

>>15233413
Should we inject a few millian indians into japan? do you think that would have a positive effect at all?

>>15233647
see >>15233662

>>15233650
Are you kinda arguing for a red brown alliance, in yockeys sense of the phrase? Or something more leftists oriented. Because you just come off as a leftist who refuses to make a stink about idpol stuff.

>>15233650
>Comparing Kanbot and Red Scare to fucking D'Annunzio and Sorel
I feel sick.

>>15233658
You cannot tell me you typed that with a straight face when you see all the coomer threads, wojack threads, and "books for this feel?" threads littering the board. At least this thread is nominally ABOUT a book, which is more than I can say for all the threads with the 18-year-old retards vomiting their shower thoughts into the catalog.

>>15233650
I'd agree with this. We're not even at the Futurists yet, let alone the Fascists.

>>15233681
The pretentiousness of this thread makes me yearn for the naked retardation of those blatant shitposters.

>>15233674
I'm not arguing for it, I think it's what's happening. I think the Left and the Right (for whatever the fucking stupid terms mean) are coalescing around anti-liberalism.

>>15233677
Don't get me wrong, I put farsical in there for a reason, alluding to the old Marx quote. They aren't nearly as great, I'm trying to place them in some sort of projected context.

>>15233688
Exactly, but the grifters are probably spreading the ideology, even though they aren't even close to the sort of crowd genius behind it, and we can expect this to be the face radicalism slowly merges into.

>>15233697
>I think the Left and the Right (for whatever the fucking stupid terms mean) are coalescing around anti-liberalism.
The exact same thing happened in the early 20th century and the Left and Right stayed pretty entrenched in their respective camps.

>>15233670
Yeah sorry man. Men who made history werent neccesarily doing everything you would have wanted them to do in that paragraph. Do you live your life were everything is that calculated? Do you think any country that has ever existed ever sat down with each other and discussed things like that before building their country? Not really. They just did it.

>>15233199
>you’d rather be thought of as capitalist or republican than a racist
The exact opposite is true of Antiwoke leftists, they are perceived as racists and have no problem joking about, it’s genuinely not a racist movement though, at least not the type of racism you support anyway.

>>15233709
They did and they didn't. Fascism was born out of this coalescing in the early 20th Century, and people swapped sides very frequently.

>>15233723
>it’s genuinely not a racist movement though, at least not the type of racism you support anyway.
right so they actually do care more about not being racists, they make it absolutely sure that everyone knows they aren't, and you are here to say that they arent that kind of racist, so they succeeded

the antiwoke leftists are perceived as being dangerously close to caring more about class than race but they are very quick to make sure that everyone knows they arent racist. That is really more important to them than being leftist

>>15233721
They often did more than what you're proposing. The U.S. had an infrastructure decided at its founding, did it not? You can ignore logistics all you want but as attractive and superior as simplicity sounds it's not gonna cut it.
>We're gonna fix society by scanning out members with inferior social qualities
>How
>We're just gonna do it, if you do it it will work
How are you not seeing the problem with this line of thought?

>>15233662
>Who can even say what is moral?
It's an impossible question to answer concretely. We're beings of endless potential and what's moral today might not be tomorrow. Luckily we don't operate on foolproof models, we live as we can and adapt quickly. I'm saying that politicians can modify the environment. They can reward useful behaviors with money and status. They can punish undesirable behaviors.
Honest?
Independent?
Hard-working?
Loving?
God-fearing?
Intelligent?
Resilient?

As I said before, leftists can't even enforce a single selection pressure besides the one of being able to pay lip-service to the glory of diversity so why do you even care? You're selecting for obedience. You're completely happy with creating as many la raza nutjobs as possible

>>15233761
My questioning of this totalitarian state managed at the level of the individual is not an argument for the leftist system.

>>15232984
Dilate tranny.

>>15233749
Bro da US ALREADY had an infrastructure decided at its founding because Ya know they just borrowed heavily from the one that was set up for them by the british and all that. Ya know the one that was there since the early 1600s. You know...that one. Again, the shit you think is so impossible and too simplistic has been proven effective all throughout history. Just get over it. And no I'm not saying everything is as simple as your green text implies. There is always nuance but you take my arguments as if there isn't any. Stop being a bitch argue like a real person.
>>15233761
We are not beings of endless potential. Idk how stupid you have to be or what pedantic idiot you listened to think that but you should really rethink it. You can do a little bit, but youre born to be what you are

>>15233767
I'm not vouching for a totalitarian state, I just want politicians to enable the flourishing of more productive ecosystems. Ceasing an inch to people who whine about pocs and racism is death. It's the creation of favela world. I can live in favela world but my political ambition in that case will always to be to vote for the stupid dogwhistler because that will be my only weapon against la raza coalitions

>>15233650
I agree with this. The global depression will give rise to interesting political and cultural expressions. We're just seeing its seed.

>>15233635
>What, exactly, are you looking for? A new literary movement? A movement in philosophy? In aesthetics?
All of that, mainly aesthetics. Personally I think the left has to become cool and edgy if it wants to succeed.

>what does /lit/ have to do with it?
idk, maybe to meme the communist revolution same as /pol/ meme'd Trump into the White House, but I know that's asking for too much at this point, everything is too thin still

>>15233809
>Mainly aesthetics

I think if anything, any autists on this board who actually care about anything and want to make good art should be writing good books instead of posting here lmao. We're entering right into the perfect situation for the type of suffering and change that creates great art.

>>15233791
Your arguments go from
>Situation I don't like
>Situation that is better
and you have no way of getting from point A to point B. I can come up with a thousand fucking impractical improvements and abstract causes for social ills but it's all armchair. "Revolution is possible" is not an argument. Hell, I'll even grant you the revolution; you still have no logistic system for maintaining this state of yours. Are you really going to argue that because ancient society had fewer variables to deal with and thus had simpler foundations that that's all we need?

>>15233791
With God, the possibilities are endless

Have any "anti-capitalist radicals" figured out how they're going to stop the ruling element of society from implementing capitalism again?

>>15233839
Nope

>>15233839
No. This proto-wave won't either, and god knows if the next will.

>>15232998
>They have all flirted with some crypto-fascist personalities, see: Moldbug, Nick Land, Steve Bannon, etc. Pic related is a memetic summary of what these doomer-radical would be like.
It's kinda like the Nick-Land-nightmare-Marxism thing except you don't have to convince yourself that the bourgeoisie are gonna become posthuman AI geniuses.

Matt Christman for instance seems to have adopted a gnostic, syncretic philosophy. Capital is basically the same thing as the gnostic idea of the demiurge: a blind, malevolent idiot god that created and directs this fallen realm. It's an emergent phenomenon created from the collective activity and decisions of millions of people, but taking on an agency of its own that is apart from the desires of the owners of capital, and subordinating them to it its own will. But there is no "it." It's a nothing, just an outline of a thing. It isn't the numbers in the computers on Wall Street. It isn't even the collective will of the bourgeoisie. It's a metaphysical non-being brought into "being" by the market system, which nevertheless controls the world as though it were an actually existing dark god. We are all slaves to this terrible, dark god.

This also means that if capital is the demiurge, and the capitalists the high priests and servants, that implies there must be an opposite. As Moloch was created from the sum of the will of the bourgeoisie, a blind drive towards accumulation at all costs, perhaps the true God is the collective manifestation of mankind's better nature. Where Moloch is the will to dominate, to treat other people as tools to be used, then God is our drive to cooperate, the hatred of injustice, the will to liberate ourselves and our fellow humans.

Thus, the class struggle is not just physical, but spiritual. A holy crusade, and we communists are the faithful. Thus, Karl Marx was God's prophet, sent to light the way to liberation and to the fulfillment of mankind's promise.

But even if we are to fail, and the dialectic is broken once and for all, we can say at least that while our bodies were slaves to capital, our minds and souls remain free and we remain faithful to the true God, the god of love and fairness, of cooperation and justice, while the minds and souls of the capitalists are in the thrall of Moloch. I think you could call that a kind of spiritual salvation.

>>15232984
Based uly

>>15233520
BAP is our guy

>>15233855
This is the only good post so far.

>>15233855
Is this Moldbug making some kind of meta-false flag?

>>15233107
I'm a mutt and I don't want the government telling me I'm not white enough to exist in the country or have children with my wife

>>15233825
Bro wtf are you even talking about you gay fucking nerd? When did I advocate for revolution? Stop putting words in my mouth.i never argued for any specific state. When I posted that pic of the new countries there wasnt any gay revolution. Powerful people got together and decided were people should be moved and who gets what. And then they did it. And why are you still so caught up on logistics? Sounds kinda gay man. Do you think trump was thinking about the logistics of the Palestinian peoples when he moved the capital of Israel from tel Aviv to Jerusalem? No nigga he said fuck and just did it.

>>15233874
if you are non-white you should not be having kids simple as

>>15233855
basedpilled

>>15233885
I would rather continue to ignore people like you and your retarded views

>>15233874
Its okay bro dont worry. We'll just throw away a better government and society for the majority because the minority might get a little sad :(

>>15233892
Do you just expect me to be on board with being existentially cucked by a grotesque fascist government? I don't care if you think I'm white or not, but once big daddy government gets involved there's a problem.

Fuck all these grifters and their shitty books and $5/mo podcasts. I will NEVER pay for any of it

>>15232790
>This could really be the birth of something relevant
lolno, 2020 is just radically different than 2016, same condition won't apply now.

>>15233002
>Jacobite
Nicholas Hausdorf came to mind. His Jacobite articles were pretty good.

>>15233891
is not retarded is the sensible one, there are too many non-white in the world, we need more white people to balance

>>15233907
Red Scare premium episodes get posted to their subreddit, my man.

>>15233910
That's not up to you to decide

>>15233880
>Thinks Trump unilaterally changed another country's policy and there were no prior agreements or political allowances involved
>"I'm just going to ignore logistics you're fucking gay for thinking they matter"
Yeah bud just take over the world and make what you want happen. Why hasn't anyone thought of that before?

>>15233902
Idgaf what you expect. Figure out your own shit

>>15232998
>revolutionary in their perspective on capitalism
>born from twitter
>chappo
Anything that intersects with this sort of shit I'm afraid is doomed because of the low-vibrational faggot-laced spirit that embodies this sphere

Anything dissident cannot come from this sphere of the internet too many weak whiny fucktards, it will have to be born out of the dirt in the real world

>>15233874
>I'm a mutt and I don't want the government telling me I'm not white enough to exist in the country or have children with my wife
Americans are really fucked up in the head lol

>>15233918
Are you honestly trying to tell me trump or Israel negotiated with any Palestinians before doing that move? Come on bro

>>15233902
Big daddy government is involved right now, he is always involved.

>>15233920
I have my shit figured out, I'm just pointing out that there's a lot of people who aren't on board with a racially based eugenics government program. I actually consider myself white from a socioeconomic and cultural perspective, but I'm still genetically a mutt

>>15233918
And yes you are gay for thinking they matter THAT much.

>>15233841
>>15233845
>It says here you're a right-wing anti-capitalist. So you want to ban private property, division of labor, markets, and money?
>No, but-
Right.

Why not just advocate for something sensible like ending democracy, ethnic nationhood laws, cutting off non-citizens from welfare, etc.?

>>15233928
Why? I'm speaking of the hypothetical rightoid fascist government that /pol/ types want implemented

>>15233929
No. But neither did they have to dismantle their own government systems to make it work, it was largely a clerical decision. What you're advocating for is way fucking more difficult than simply opening up an embassy.

Thing is Taleb will be proven right and all these Twitter IYIs will disappear forever

>>15233954
What do you mean?

>>15233946
>Anti-capitalism is impossible because it would require the complete rearrangement of social order and preventing of old societal struggles from reemerging!
>Ethnonationalist totalitarianism is totally possible in the democratic, multicultural west, despite requiring the complete rearrangement of social order and preventing of old societal struggles from reemerging!

Pick one retard, feudalism is dead.

>>15233958
There will be no fascist revolution. No big global governments. Localism will prevail

>*shoots all the fascists itt*

>>15233947
Nothing serious really, the visualisation of that situation is just too comically absurd yet not impossible given how the americans behave.

>>15232790
reactionary literature has already existed for centuries, shit like that book is akin to 'metamodernism' in relation to postmodernism. largely unnecessary.

>>15234006
high IQ take, what do you mean exactly by metamodernism?

>"I'm the most orthodox Marxist person on Twitter"
Kantbot, April 28th, 2020.

>>15234021
metamodernism is bust tho, we're actually in hypermodernity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mOYJs7eqVg

>>15233195
>m-muh fascists
Take your pills, schizo.
Reminder that behind every "doomer radical" is a temporarily disappointed Bernie fag. Scratch just beneath the surface, and you'll find a crypto progressive running interference for established, neo-liberal dogma without exception.

>>15233970
Taleb is doomed to think this because he's an Orthodox and Orthos are ontologically oriented towards localism. This inevitably means that he is going to think that way. It's the same way Vermeule is a Catholic and therefore logically thinks about an all powerful centralized state enforcing the common good.

Politics is downstream of religion.

>>15234038
He's also operating on at least 4 levels of irony at any given time.

>>15234076
Thread

>>15234076
>m-muh bernie fags
idk what you're talking about, I can only talk for myself, I'm a literal communist, I despise neo-liberalism, I'm not even American lmao and yes fascists tend to ruin serious discussion on this board.

>>15233855
At least we can finally admit that Marxism is a fundementally religious doctrine.

>>15233855
Matt is fucking losing it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qj1v_ROyGGM

>>15234110
It is 100% a religion. Why has it led to so much insane bullshit? No mere "economic system" could inspire the batshit devotion that Marxists have towards Marx's ideas. Even insane Randian capitalists aren't as fanatical about their system as Marxists are about theirs. And the IDEA of Marxism has left such a massive footprint on the world that it's only comparable to a religion, like Christianity or Buddhism or Islam.

Marxism is a secular religion. It has commandments. It has sacred texts. It has doctrine and dogma. It has followers, including priests and a hierarchy. It even has a "heaven," in the form of Marx's idyllic worker's paradise. The reason Marxism is atheistic is that Marxism itself IS a religion, and to allow for the existence of other religions in Marxism would be to open Marxism up to competition. It's like how Islamic countries don't allow proselytizing.

>>15234132
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_Militant_Atheists

>>15234132
I agree with you, but I hope you don't think any other philosophy or political ideology is different. Capitalism has the exact same autistic belief systems, sacred texts and ideas. The reason you can't see that capitalism is just as insane and religious is probably because you live in a capitalist country, so the capitalist religion is accepted by everyone as 'common sense' or 'truth'.

The only genuine politics is local primitivism.

>>15233809
> the left has to become cool and edgy if it wants to succeed.
Surely frogtwitter is far more closely in line with someone like Ben Shapiro than the actual left wing.

>>15233950
He's not going to realise that though, he's going to keep advocating for his pogrom like a selfish teen.

>>15234107
You know I'm right, but I won't continue to derail this thread, which still has the potential to be interesting. I just want it on record that, despite their radical pretentions, liberal-progressivism is the air these people breath and its the moral language they will always default to whenever they find themselves stranded in intellectually unfamiliar territory, such as when they are confronted with novel criticisms from genuine radicals of the right or even post-political leftists. It's kind of like how most alt-righters default to libertarian platitudes whenever they come accross novel perspectives of the left, because they're really just racist liberals.

>>15232790
e-celeb cringe
fucking kill yourself

>>15232790
>>15232984
>>15232998
The with you people is that you have literally never held a conversation with people who hold different opinions.
>>15233331
Do you know what the difference is between a First World Country and a Third World Country?

>>15234132
This.

>>15233809
>All of that, mainly aesthetics
You people are retards. The reason /v/ spazzed out over gamergate was because the left were pushing their politics into their art form. When people on the right and left say "we need aesthetics" what y'all end up doing is appropriating or infiltrating existing art communities, because you don't have an ounce of originality about you. You'll also end up doing it, because at least one of you jackasses will end up thinking, "we need to recruit people." So you'll copy certain kinds of aesthetics and associate your cringe with it (See "fashwave"). Normal people hate this. Like or not, art is a cope for many of them. Kinda of like religion. The majority of these people want to be left alone to play vidya, draw, or do dumb shit like read YA. The far right and far left's push into aestheticizing their politics to make it appealing is going to backfire on you.

>>15234132
I wasn't even saying it's a religion as any kind of cheap 'gotcha', the. I would actually have a lot more respect more Marxism and Marxists if they could have the mindfulness to finally dispense with their pseudo-scientific, materialistic pretenses, and admit that it's a fundementally religious or spiritual inspiration which motivates their belief, and their moral revulsion towards I the decadent iniquities of the capitialist system.

>>15233033
hahahahahhaha, that shit is a joke, right?

>>15234038
He also calls himself a swedeborgian and a Moldbugian

>>15234180
some people are simply past the event-horizon of liberalism, anon

>>15234215
>The majority of these people want to be left alone to play vidya, draw, or do dumb shit like read YA.

This is correct and it is precisely why the radicals are wrong and the reactionaries are right. There will never be a true "mass politics." There will never be a "power to the people." Normalfags just simply do not give a shit, and this is why they will never meaningfully wield power--because they lack the drive, patience, the determination, and the attention span to accrue that power.

This is why revolutions are doomed to fail, because the vast majority of people are simply content to be led. This isn't necessarily a bad thing. It's very good that normalfags care about their spouses, their children, their families, their friends more than accruing and wielding power. We wouldn't have functional society if they were weirdos who were obsessed with power and aesthetics. But it is why all mass movements are doomed to fail, and a big reason why hierarchy will always inevitably reassert itself. If for no other reason than the lack of a shit that normalfags give, there will always only ever be a small amount of people who take power, accrue power, and wield control.

It's always going to be the people who actually do give a shit that rise to the top. Everyone else, all the normalfags, will simply bow their heads and obey.

>>15234215
This is a really low IQ take. Rather than accepting that content creators are among the many different types of people drawn to radical politics, you have to conjure up some conspiracy where "art communities" are "infiltrated". What fucking "art communities"? Did muh big bad fascists sneak into the official international meeting of synth music producers and marble statue image makers? Do you think someone like Xurious thought one day "wow I'd really hate to produce music so let me go produce a bunch of right wing synth music" or do you think he both enjoys producing music and is right wing? Fucking retard

>>15234193
Hilarious as that image is, i'm not following its relevance

>>15234331
I'm sure they understand this on some level. Otherwise, It would be difficult to explain why the radical left is so titillated at the prospect of major economic downturns as a result of this recent pandemic, because they realize that the masses will never feel motivated to do anything unless they first experience a major and immediately apparent decline in their material conditions.

Good take.

>>15232790
imagine calling anything two dumb socialist cunts from Brooklyn do "literature"

>>15234431
back to twitter ulysse

>>15232790
Go away reddit

>>15233650
this is the most accurate post on the thread. of all the examples in the OP and the names listed throughout the thread, none are original or notable thinkers, and they have little in common to unite them besides a disdain for capitalism, liberal identity politics, and the neoliberal establishment. it's possible that a new movement will tie together these threads of post-woke leftism, Nrx offshoots, and the like, but that will only arise in the next couple decades. the times do seem primed for that sort of thing, though. once zoomers become a more significant political force and the economy truly crashes, we'll see.

>>15233775
cope

>>15234193
did this guy just send a bunch of gay people emails calling them faggots and then come to preach to a hentai website about how he's a superior christian?

>>15233650
The zoomers will become Dugunists, it's all leading up to this

>>15232790
Jarett Kobek's books are pretty on the nose here. They do suffer a bit from being a bit arrogant and belittling, but I guess that's in the same vein as what Red Scare and the Pseudodoxology guy does so. I've gotta say though, pretty funny stuff.

Check out "i hate the internet" and "All Americans Burn in Hell"

Shit like this makes me want to delete myself from the internet and go live in a fucking shed. If this is the future, I want no part in it.

>>15236526
I wouldn't say I agree with this faggot OP's claim that "this could be the next big thing", but if people partaking in a discussion on a podcast makes you want to hole yourself from the world you got some real problems goy

>>15232790
I study a lit course at uni and feel writing is the only skill i can give. I feel so expendable and worthless. People say the writing is good but they dont publish it. I want to suicide

I study a lit course at uni and feel writing is the only skill i can give. I feel so expendable and worthless. People say the writing is good but say they dont know how to market it . I want to suicide

>>15236563
That's not the only reason, this faggotry being supposedly the next big thing is just the final straw.

No one on this board actually reads literature, do they? This is all just gossipy chat, the same as anywhere else online.

>>15236632
no u

Tl;dr this for me. So "post-woke radicalists" are just leftists who reject idpol and are more willing to work with rightists? Is that it? Because if so it's not a new movement, we saw this in 2016 when Bernie bros jumped on the Trump campaign.

>>15236621
Honestly, it'll die out just like everything else with time, only to be replaced by something seemingly worse and more faggy. But at least it's new. I could hardly stand a decade's worth of pastiche. Here's hoping for a new decade of a myriad of "next big things" to spice life up a bit.

>>15236688
Post woke radicalists are pseuds who hate the status quo but don't know what they want to replace it with so spend most of their time going around in circles on their various podcasts and shitposting on twitter.

>>15234908
>>15235994
The coalescing of the anti-idpol left and the dissident right into nazbol/western Ba'athism/distributism/Duginism seems like an inevitability at this rate. With neoliberalism crushing the second and third political theories, the collective power of the fourth would be the only thing to match it. This will most likely come with a Marxist aesthetic, similar to modern day China.

>>15236834
>nazbol/western Ba'athism/distributism/Duginism

>>15233011
this. it's basically like /fa/ggots trying to come up with a new /somethingcore/ every 2 weeks

>>15233855
>It's kinda like the Nick-Land-nightmare-Marxism thing except you don't have to convince yourself that the bourgeoisie are gonna become posthuman AI geniuses.
You have no idea what you're talking about you utter retard

>>15233874
Do you find it important that you be allowed to live in a white country around white people?

>>15234107
Youre not a communist, youre a progressive like everyone else of your kind. You care more about racism and sexism than communism

>>15237222
major league projection

>>15236834
Wtf is a marxists aesthetic? Some dude who looks like matt christman? Yeah bro people find that really aesthetic. Aesthetics comes from the right, step aside nerd

>>15234110
every political ideology is a religion. man doesn't know how to process information except religiously

>>15237242
would you rather be a racist communist or an antiracist liberal, publicly

God this thread reeks of pseud.
>hey guys check out my amateur documentary shilled by e celebs
>hey guys we're radicals who are totally different from all those other radicals because reasons
>stromfaggots and reactionaries arguing exclusively with false dichotomies

>>15237355
>false dichotomies
it's not a false dichotomy to point out you care more about progressivism than communism

>>15236834
i think that's a likely outcome. it could also form into a less ideological, more strongman-oriented movement, eg. peronism, if a single figure comes along to ride and direct that wave, but i don't seen anyone poised to do that.

>>15237384
>it's not a false dichotomy bro
>if you disagree with me you must be a commie
Anon...

>>15237599
You might not be a commie but we have a lot of super ebin commie but totally not a neolib people in here who nonetheless take their entire worldview from what Harvard deems acceptable

>>15237618
Yeah the thing is that when we throw this at them we aren't endorsing the "Old Left", we're really just trying to demoralize self-identifying communists who enjoy relative superiority over us on social media. This superiority is derived, of course, from the neoliberal establishment which ostensibly sees racists and nazis as more dangerous than communists, since the deplatforming and social terrorism is pointed at us (the incel reactionary nazi monsters) far more frequently than it is at even the anti-woke anti-liberal leftists. This is ironic of course since they are the ones who claim to have the purest and most radical beliefs, there is the punch line.

>>15237985
no shit lol. It's a bit childish but it is fun to deflate their delusions of transgression. They are honestly volunteer cops so it is just beyond the pale for them to larp as being in any way opposed to the structures of power that actually exist.

>>15232790
>"post-woke radicalism"
It's called Leftism, kiddo. "Wokeness" is bourgeois liberal degeneracy.

>>15233450
Kanbot is jewish, he said so himself

>>15238020
Yeah, I can see problems with this arising from some of the less aware members of "our side". I can see fox news boomers and the Nick Fuentes crowd going after a "socialists are the REAL capitalists" scheme much akin to the "democrats are the REAL racists" problem we've ran into in the past. To not fall for this trick again the extreme right has to be aware that its anti-capitalism is that of the ancien regime rather than that of the socialists. Just gotta be aware that capitalism is a problem because of its emancipatory potential (now merchants and bankers can lead rather than kings and heroes yay democracy!) rather than the economic inequality it creates. There's some dumb larpy shit in this but w/e

>>15238181
I don't consider myself right wing in any way, Im not on your side. I think right wing ideas are probably more stable in the long run but I don't give a shit and dont believe in praxis anyway, civilizations rise and decline and it's a joke to try to control any of it.

The only reason I post about racism etc. is to make progressives feel uncomfortable because it amuses me

>>15238181
lmao you've got no fucking theory backing your project up, in all successful fascist uprisings and governments, capital played a major role. You've got no real theory of how to get rid of it.
Marxist, we can LARP all we want, but at the end, we've got our books, we've got our thinkers, we'll know what to do when the time comes

>>15238371
>we'll know what to do when the time comes
you'll install a dictator like every other time, and the proletariat will never be emancipated or in control of anything

>>15238371
>It will work this time
Interesting, I see you have learned nothing.

>>15238379
>>15238400
But we have learned. Read Cockshott. Cybernetic socialism with machine learning characteristics is our best shot.

>>15238181
What are you defining right-wing anti-capitalism to be? Are you going to ban money, private ownership, markets, etc.?

Can’t go back. The left can only get more bourgeois from here as a result of its ideological commitments.

>>15238433
So something that will never be seen in our lifetime? so another hypothetical? Have you seen AI right now?

>>15238200
Wow, what a special snowflake. Pick a side or the world will pick one for you.

>>15238142
a jew from wisconsin? huh

I cant wait to listen to my fricken sweet revolutionary podcast sponsored by nordvpn, my 5 dollars a month contribution is really gonna BTFO those chuds

>>15238498
It literally could not matter less what side you pick you delusional faggot, have fun larping

Whats wrong with being an unironic fascist?

>>15238603
its gay and retarded

>>15232998
>crypto-fascist personalities
Why are is there so much basic bitch lefty hysterics on this board?

>>15238371
see>>15238379 the impulse towards out-grouping and violence exists prior to theory. These are the tools you used when you succeeded, and these tools are open to everyone's use. To bring this around to your accusation of fascism and answer >>15238447
at the same time, I understand that fascism was at least partially a bourgeois movement. Oriented towards protecting what you could call myths and dreams rather than capital perhaps, but the distinction is more than a little blurred where we are concerned.

As I see it, an actually right-wing anti-capitalism has to forget a few hundred years of ideology and return to the social struggle that preceded that between the bourgeois and the proletariat, namely that between the bourgeoisie and the old european aristocracies. That is, we would need to reinstantiate a regime that does not contain a principle of advancement "into", simply put, we would have to break the meritocracy that exists under capitalism. In a word, monarchy. More than a little fantastical but that is really the only option for a theoretically consistent right-wing anti-capitalism

>>15238638
>As I see it, an actually right-wing anti-capitalism has to forget a few hundred years of ideology and return to the social struggle that preceded that between the bourgeois and the proletariat, namely that between the bourgeoisie and the old european aristocracies. That is, we would need to reinstantiate a regime that does not contain a principle of advancement "into", simply put, we would have to break the meritocracy that exists under capitalism. In a word, monarchy. More than a little fantastical but that is really the only option for a theoretically consistent right-wing anti-capitalism

If you make some people into a hereditary aristocracy, how are they going to wield any de facto power unless you ban the aforementioned things? You're still capitalist even if you have a King if you allow private property, money, markets etc. see: Liechtenstein, the Gulf monarchies

>>15238508
Like half or a quarter Jewish, or at least he said to Ariel pink on tekwars

>>15238534
You’ve accepted defeat because you’re weak, aspiring to anything more than scrolling social media and tugging to pornhub is a “LARP” to types like you

>>15238700
you are less than an ant, your efforts mean nothing. Not even the most powerful men in the world can control how history progresses

>>15232984
Based

>>15238709
The choice to act is real in its moment, even within the greater destiny of the world. You were simply destined for defeat, i’ll honor your sacrifice with my achievement.

>>15238803
you could die right now and it would have 0 impact on history and you know it

idk if this is the right place to ask but anyone here know who was behind vast abrupt and what is he up to now?

https://vastabrupt.com/2018/01/07/cosmic-dyspepsia-pt1/

shit like this is just genius, imho

>>15238809
But I wont die today, and over time and with effort maybe I will impact history, whereas you choose to live as if you were already dead, come home anon, choose life

>>15238674
De facto power would be the object so the ruling class would have to restrict the violent/revolutionary potential of the merchant class. Some of the things you mentioned would surely have to be banned or at least restricted if you could not guarantee that the ruling class had a monopoly on violence. Bringing back primogeniture alone would go a long way in hamstringing and disorienting capitalist organization against the state, but more overt measures like banning interest and private investment could also be used. Guild systems would also be useful in controlling private industry. There are solutions to the legitimate problems you bring up, it's just a question of doing these things in the least brutal ways possible to avoid revolution.

These measures, of course, were all tried to greater or lesser extents, and all ultimately failed to stop liberal democracy from rising up. That's why supporting monarchism is pretty absurd from our perspective. But who knows what might happen

>>15238683
Any link to the Ariel Pink podcast? Just searched for it and it seems to have been scrubbed, but maybe I'm looking in the wrong place

>>15238628
faggots

>>15238921
I unsubbed when kantbot jumped ship but he and his former co-host claimed to be Jewish when discussing Jews with Ariel Rosenberg pink

>>15238977
I didn't ask

>>15238994
Yet now you know

>>15232790
This shit is fucking ass, kill yourself.

>>15239022
this

Gb2/Reddit/

>>15232984
Six purposes of schooling for you.

>>15232790
Wanna know how I know this is all bullshit? Name one woke doctrine that these leftists think is totally wrong. Not “blown out of proportion,” not “unimportant relative to class,” not “counterproductive,” not “bad when capitalists appropriate it,” but totally fucking wrong.
It doesn’t exist. This is a re-skin of the same old warned over lefty bullshit.

>>15239196
but no one is saying that they think it's wrong lmao, that's why it's "post-woke" and not "anti-woke"
fucking brainlet

>>15239217
Hahahahahahaha

The total dead end of the fucking left.

>>15239196
Cruelty and grass-roots malice. At least I hope.

>>15239263
Lol still on about the same shit just mad 4real this time.
Out of ideas, the left can only rebrand.

>>15239315
I'm not even left winger. I just hope that's what they've learned.

Michael Brooks, who's basically a libertarian Marxist, rejects what he calls "fake woke liberalism." His point is basically that all the outrage-obsessed whiny woke types on campuses aren't actually interested in real change, they just pretend to be moralistic, and be in solidarity with workers abroad who they actually do nothing for. He basically demonstrates how woke types are actually an obstacle for any serious internationalist labor movement.

>>15239356
What the fuck is Zero Books doing? Why don't they talk about this new post-woke movement? Doug used to do pretty cool videos 2-3 years ago about the cultural movements of those years, but now what does he do? WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING DOUG?

>>15239356
But he doesn’t think they’re wrong. He wants all the same shit. It’s the same garbage that has been utterly rejected by the lumpenproles you bourgeois cocksuckers claim to love so much, you just think so little of them that you don’t think they’ll notice if you reheat it and add some salt.
Dead. End. Of. The. Left.

>>15232984
>thinks wine and water is blue

>>15239452
take your pills, schizo

>>15232790
>emerging counterculture
>emerging
the fascists didnt go far enough

>>15237208
I don't want my freedom to be squashed because of some hysterical one drop rule mysticism, I'm American I'm not European. I also wouldn't hesitate to kill a /pol/tard if they started trying to expel people from their homes and communities

>>15232790
reminder hes a boring gnostic heretic who blathers endlessly and can barely handle faith

also tfw no gf was shite

>>15233488
https://www.counter-currents.com/2014/06/the-slow-cleanse/

>>15239462
It's "Take your mediterraneans, mr. Schizo." to you.

>>15233860
>talks about vitalism
>endlessly tweets about trump minutiae
What did he mean by this?

>>15234086
Vermeule's a "Catholic" and likely a spook

best thread on /lit/ in months, I like how everyone is trolling everyone else on like three layers of trolling

>>15239529
Kys

>>15239462
Pwned that heckin chudster bro

>>15238902
The question is, what goals are you even hoping to achieve through restoring a monarch, banning money, banning private ownership and investment, etc.?

>>15239617
cope
seethe
dilate

This thread reeks of /pol/... Will we ever build upon post-woke/red-pilled dialogue? Seems like postmodern conclusions are the logical end to any discourse nowadays.

>>15239721
I’m not red pulled I just think you are all full of shit.

>>15239721
>Will we ever build upon post-woke/red-pilled dialogue?
Of course, but we need big-brained leftist theorists like Mark Fisher and not the fucking pseudos we have right now.

>>15239799
Whats Mark up to these days...oh

>>15239799
sometimes... there's a man

So, summing up, it seems we’ve established that post-woke isn’t post-woke at all, and that it’s actually all a marketing gimmick because the left’s ideological commitments have rendered it incurably bourgeois. Is that right?

>>15239919
We haven't even defined what "post-woke" means, how can you rule something as being post-woke or not?

I am a fachist I come here to ruin this thread.

>>15239943

>>15239196
Because the post-woke left has the exact same ideological commitments as the woke-left. The changes are cosmetic. It’s like Comcast becoming Xfinity.

>>15233855
I love our new mad prophet

>>15239983
No dude they're grunge and cool they even swear sometimes and say the f word(not f*gg*t that's oppressive and rude)

>>15239983
But we haven't defined that "post-woke" means rejecting wokeness, as >>15239217 said, if that were the case, it would just be called "anti-woke".

>>15239983
Do you have any reason to believe that, or are you just speaking out of your ass?

>>15239987
Lol he looks like if sam hyde took estrogen instead of test

>>15232790
Thankfully Islam will reign triumphant and wash all this nonsense away, mashallah

>>15239983
>X grew out of Y
>wtf I hate X now

>>15233520
Shots fired

>>15239818
literally who?

>>15239995
Gets it.

>>15240004
Look at this rad Marxist break out the corporatese.

>>15240005
How many posts down from getting called on your bullshit >>15239196
and still none of these post-woke proletarian revolutionaries can name even a single thing that they would break with PMC woke orthodoxy on?

>>15240110
I think that's this threads tagline

>>15233950
Hitler wrote mein kampf during the Weimar Republic. Then he got power and fucking changed everything. The reason he succeeded was because people believed in him and his ideology. He was a good orator and he had great propaganda. The logistics are complex and tedious but easily surmountable.

Proposing that radical change is "too complicated" is very naive or simply deceitful.

>>15233520
>If any of these people were great artists, we'd know it.
Speak for yourself, and I doubt you would. The bugman is indifferent to the great soul at best, and is threatened by what little he is able to perceive of it.

>>15240374
>Hitler wrote mein kampf during the Weimar Republic. Then he got power and fucking changed everything.
the absolute state of armchair historians

bumplocked, anyone up for another thread? Feel free to post a new one

none of these guys* could ever succeed in academia etc. and essentially their thing is finding excuses for why they are failed intellectuals (idpol, whatever). but really none of them have the chops, none of them have truly original ideas, you can't fake your smarts by making shallow, vague references to better thinkers when ur with the big boys. so they resort to peddling nonsense to disaffected kids who barely have two brain cells to rub together. ask yourself if you really think those guys seem like they know what they are even talking about when you listen to them try to have a conversation on any of their podcasts, stuttering and jumbling words without any coherence, or actually having to write anything substantial longer than an obscurantist irony-poisoned tweet ("its like an aphorism bro!"). they just dont pass the shit test im afraid!!!

thats the long and short of it imo. damn its depressing, if i was them i'd just abandon ship and have a nice normal life instead of LARPing.

*mainly talking about the Big Personalities who are grifters and hacks. there are some unknown and obscure guys not seeking glory who are brilliant and sometimes dip their toes in these waters, penning the occasional article, before going back to their regular lives where they are likely successful and respectable...

>>15240715
>big boys
Like? Academia is full of midwits too just need the right connections and the right ideology

>>15240715
You're right, it's too hard for them to keep pace intellectually with leftist ideologues and diversity admissions

new thread fags do itttttt

>>15239027
>samefagging

>>15240715
murphy especially. depressing to watch desu

>>15240374
Of course, a biased retard such as yourself would think it was that easy kek.

>>15240927
>>15240524
Alright nerds, I created the new thread:

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>>15240715
>none of these guys* could ever succeed in academia etc
You are making an assumption (most likely wrongfully) that is their goal. What they actually are is part time scribblers or authors just trying to write something.

>none of them have truly original ideas
Nobody has truly original ideas. there haven't been any original ideas since hundreds of years.

>you can't fake your smarts by making shallow, vague references to better thinkers when ur with the big boys
They aren't with the big boys and they know it nor do they claim that they are.

> if i was them i'd just abandon ship and have a nice normal life instead of LARPing.
Put down your pen, stop having a hobby. Don't have fun, don't express your self, don't try to be anything.

The underlying assumptions you have of them is that they them self think that they are the next Nietzsche or some shit when its just shit kids with a love for books and thinkers trying to write something. Your critique of them is probably just a projection of your own underlying inferiority complex.

>>15233371
_>_ nature>nurture

That’s where ya lost me bud.

i can understand that race functions well as a social cohesion mechanism since it’s a permanent jersey that you can’t take off - but the second you start essentializing it as a political category all you’re doing is justifying your own sense of entitlement. The whiteness that you seek is ephemeral - even if it is genetic. Attempting to preserve it is just trying to outrun your(our) generational karma. Yes, i agree, race is a valid political concept. No, it shouldn’t be a guiding concept.

That being said - i fucking hate how my lefty friends use anti-racism as a way to enact their fantasy of changing the world and being saviors. As if black people didn't have enough emotional labor to do.

I like this thread. If there is one thing that i want, politically, is to discover a language where the far left and far right can encounter each other and do a little bit of thinking. This thread lifts me up, just a tiny bit, out of the depression that i’ve been in where i assume this polarization just gets worse and worse.

>>15238638
I like this. I appreciate the contrast be meritocracy and monarchy - this feels like a correct understanding of the tension between center and periphery. However, you enter the realm of fantasy when you start talking about reinstatement of something that has already passed.

>>15233855
Good post. 100% agreed. It’s this kind of attitude that i remember from some of the cosmotechnics threads.

>>15241266
And the fact their shills are disaffected white boys like they are, and that they're all just rebadging might-is-right claptrap while staying out of black neighborhoods? Wow, what an achievement. Could these towering individuals who are too big for academia, and have no interest in it despite constantly referencing the classics it's all drawn from, be intellectually masturbating on a soft target there, dya'think? It's like watching Michael Bay film in that regard, as >>15240715 notes.

>>15241709
I think you'll like the new thread then, check it out my dude

>>15241166
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