/lit/ - Literature

>>15228138
It's just a political statement, not a Eucharist.

>>15228138
It seems to me that they're consuming the metaphorical blood and flesh of Trayvon Martin rather than Jesus Christ.

>Trayvon Martin's last supper before his crucifixion.

>>15228138
lmao one time I was in a really poor mormon church and we didn't have any bread for the mormon eucharist (sacrament) so we ran downstairs to where a potluck was getting set up and took a loaf of garlic bread to break up.
Later this kid was like "the bread was way better this time" hahaha

>>15228143
Would it still be valid if the proper form was observed?

>>15228138
Honestly the attempts at black canonization of trayvon martin has been fucking creepy.
The point is that he was a normal kid who got murdered doing normal shit. He wasn't a saint, nor did he have to be to have a right to be left alone and unmurdered.
This is not an honor to his memory, it's transforming his image into some kind of religious icon. Talk about the person that he was- like any teenage boy, a dipshit. And talk about how to prevent psychopaths from taking advantage of the law to get away with their Gacy-esque murders.
The fact that someone hasn't hunted down and tortured George Zimmerman to death but these fucking people are having skittles and arizona in their church shows a massive inversion of priorities.
In the old days that fat old fuck would have been tarred, feathered, hung,and burnt.

>>15228188
A dipshit like all teenage boys, I mean. If some creepy old fuck followed 17 year old me around a neighborhood I would also fail to perfectly de-escalate that situation.

>>15228138
literal idolatry. The day will come when such will be burnt with fire from heaven

>>15228138
>>15228171
>arizona iced tea
Purple drank is the true blood of Trayvon Martin.

>>15228188
he wasn't murdered lol he assaulted someone and was killed for it

>>15228164
Haha. That’s pretty funny.

When I was really young I told my mom the bread would be better with some cheese.

American's worship of the self is so great, the view religion as a tool that bend to suit the desires of the individual. Take the Church of Coltrane in San Fransisco, for example. Someone out there liked jazz, liked worship, and decided it might be good fun to combine the two. Theology can come later, I need something that I enjoy, that confirms my established worldview and tells me I'm a good person and gratifies my immediate desires. In this context, Skittles and Arizona Tea is the highest form of worship imaginable because it strips away all pretext. This is honesty

>>15228224
>Theology can come later, I need something that I enjoy, that confirms my established worldview and tells me I'm a good person and gratifies my immediate desires.
that's how any religion works

>>15228209
You buy the boomer narcissist's trembling testimony? You think Martin was the aggressor and not this fuckin guy? Look at his face.
No, I don't think you actually buy it, I think you're cynically rationalizing the murder of a teen because of his race.

>>15228138
>Liturgy and social justice
>Rev. Jacqui Lewis, Ph.D. Uses Theology as a Healing Force

>“Not only is the liturgy about the God story, it’s also about the world story. One of the texts I preach is the Bible, and the other text I preach is the world. When you get to Middle Church, you’re getting God, you’re getting people, you’re getting love,” said Lewis. “If we are people of faith, our faiths demand our participation in what the Jewish people call tikkun olam: in healing the world. Our faith demands it. It is part of being created in the image of God.”

I wonder what her Christology looks like.

>>15228232
American detected

>>15228138
>be 6
>have first communion
>expect it to taste like bread cus y'know everyone calls it bread
>it's a fucking tasteless wafer
>instantly spit it out
>life has been a series of disasters ever since
bros what did I do, I think God hates me?

>>15228188
In the old days Trayvon Martin would probably be stringed up on a tree for "raping" someone. But I guess it depends on what old days you're talking about.

>>15228307
God doesn't care about that stuff.

>>15228307
Why would you spit out something tasteless?

>>15228343
>God doesn't care about the desecration of the host
Begone heathen.

>>15228369
lmao b-b-but muh rituals
two things you should focus on bud:
1) Acts
2) Faith

>>15228360
Because I was expecting it to taste like something else so it was a shock. It's like when somebody hands you a drink and you think it's milk when it's actually orange juice. Plus, putting tasteless things in your mouth is disgusting anyway.

>>15228343
This guy’s wrong, God saw him spit the wafer out and took it extremely personally. His life will never improve
>t. angel

>>15228382
>he thinks rituals aren't acts

>>15228201
if God would really send people to hell for doing something silly but well meaning like this, is he really a God worth worshiping?

>>15228421
Well meaning is a human term, based off human understanding. Not saying that God would for this per se, but look at the scriptures and ask yourself this, when someone does "well-meaning" acts, is it for the glory of God or the glory of their ego?

>>15228416
>He thinks god is some kind of pagan animal spirit, responding to the proper incantations and burnt sacrifices carried out by medicine men
You're just filling a space with the words, culture, and objects of man. The history of the papacy is the history of a worldly institution. Obviously God doesn't have much to do with it, look at their subservience to ideology in the 21st century.
It'd be funny if it wasn't so sad.

>>15228138
>Is this type of practice acceptable from a technical and open-minded Christian point of view?

Non-Catholic eucharist is invalid so it doesn't matter, other than being sacreligious

>Theological literature explaining the deeper symbolism behind using skittles and arizona tea for the eucharist?

Contra Haereses by Irenaeus

>>15228404
damn well do you think you can talk to him or something?

>>15228434
Also reverence. Reverence is important. Trivializing acts designed to honor and glorify God by using it to glorify man is blasphemous.

>>15228434
God’s ego seems pretty big

>>15228447
god doesn't have an ego

>>15228188
They can't do that because Zimmerman is white or something. The cops would start a holocaust

>>15228434
>>15228445
i'm just sure God will give them a pass on this one, since he gets enough worship and reverence already

>>15228242
Why would you find it unlikely that a 17 year old assaulted someone who he was offended by?

>>15228460
Nah, it's more complicated than that. Cops wouldn't do anything, they're not as much of a unified front as the american leftist propaganda would have you believe.

>>15228390
>It's like when somebody hands you a drink and you think it's milk when it's actually orange juice.
Orange juice isn't tasteless. Water would be a better analogy.

>Plus, putting tasteless things in your mouth is disgusting anyway.
Weirdo.

>>15228497
>Orange juice isn't tasteless. Water would be a better analogy.
So? No need to be autistic, the point was the contrast between the expectation and the reality.
>Weirdo.
You like eating tasteless things?

>>15228474
why would that be the point you decide to focus on? It's a technicality. The old guy escalated a situation, the 17 year old likely responded in some way as any 17 year old would, the old guy murdered the kid. Highly doubtful the 17 year old "assaulted" the old guy to the fullest extent of the word, probably pushed him around after being stalked around a neighborhood for hours by someone who was threatening and insulting him. Is it on the 17 year old to make the adult decision and deescalate? Would you expect a white 17 year old to deescalate? I'm white, when I was 17 I got in fights I would easily avoid now. Never got shot, but if I had gotten shot, the guy who shot me would be doing time. The issue is the fact that he got away with it after he clearly caused and escalated the situation.
This isn't a normal adult response. Most adults do not strategically put themselves into a situation with a child so they can justify deadly force. You're defending a sick evil man.
All this while I don't support the deification or use of the boy's memory as this creepy holy-ish icon of a struggle which is long neutered and steeped in american-style cuckolded identitarianism. Afro-pessimism and afro-exceptionalism can suck my big fat white dick.

>>15228242
>look at his face
very compelling

>>15228244
>what her Christology looks like
That Christ has a dual nature of both fully human and fully african-american.

>>15228242

That's a rat face if I ever saw one

>>15228447
God doesn't have an ego, but all things that we do should be to glorify Him

>>15228547
lmao it actually is

>>15228343

Did he tell you personally?

>>15228171
No. Bread and wine are the only valid material for consecration. Just as a Baptism requires water to be imposed simultaneously with the words of consecration, so too does the consecration of body and blood require bread and wine. So, the proper form cannot be observed if you have changed the host.

>>15228472
Good job thinking of God in terms of man. God is not man, nor should you trivialize him as such

>>15228155
DAS RITE

>>15228571
Didn't have to lmao

>>15228544
Zimmerman wasn't acquitted for being a good person, he was acquitted for not, as far as the court could tell, murdering someone. Whether or not Trayvon Martin was a typical 17 year old teen, and whether or not Zimmerman was a "creepy guy", is beside the point. The general moral character of either Martin or Zimmerman are irrelevant to the question of whether or not Zimmerman committed legal murder in killing Martin -- and the court came to the conclusion that no, he wasn't. Why? Because as far as they could tell, the evidence suggested that Zimmerman killed Martin in justifiable self-defence, out of genuine fear for his life. Your conjecture is just that, conjecture. It may or may not be true. The point is that there was not enough evidence to convict Zimmerman of murder, and so acquitting Zimmerman was the legally and morally correct thing to do.

>>15228564
>>15228455
Why would something without an ego require constant glorification?

>>15228242
>You buy the boomer narcissist's trembling testimony?
Yeah, the evidence clearly supported it.

>>15228138

>Reading this thread

Do christfags really believe in transubstantiation? I thought it was a literal meme, holy fuck.

>>15228590
He doesn't, that's a human construction.

>>15228138
Don't really care for black people or as I call them, the blax, or whatever they think their problems are. Figure it out yourselves, idiots.

>>15228138
>nigger hate thread under the thin guise of a christcuck thread
kinda based, kinda cringe

>>15228597
Why would you not believe in it?

>>15228598
If it’s a human construction, and he doesn’t need it, then why are we required to do it?

>>15228232
Why do the hot takes always come from people with no clue what they’re talking about?

So is every single black person African American? Every one in the entire world?

>>15228589
adult escalated and manipulated a situation to kill a kid and got away with it, the jury was able to believe that because they were southerners who justify the killing of black kids as "self defense" as a matter of tradition. The legal outcome of the trial means nothing, the region and population have demonstrated time and time again that their legal decisions are meaningless and have nothing to do with reality. This is the issue at hand, not anyone's morality. I think the 17 year old boy probably acted as any 17 year old boy would, which is why I have an issue with the political movement's use of him as an icon. Your apologia for ratfaced zimmerman is flimsy, you're talking about technicalities when you know that isn't the issue at hand, and it says a lot about your character. Leaving the thread, don't want to bother trying to reason with a bunch of selective intermittent down syndrome patients.

>>15228641
show skin color

>>15228639
by Jesus, everything is possible, so yes.

>>15228626
you're not lmao

>>15228641
Settle down.

>>15228138
What the fuck is wrong with Americans?

>>15228650
Oh, ok

>>15228382
1 Corinthians 11
>What shall I say to you? Do I praise you? In this I praise you not. [23] For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus, the same night in which he was betrayed, took bread. [24] And giving thanks, broke, and said: Take ye, and eat: this is my body, which shall be delivered for you: this do for the commemoration of me. [25] In like manner also the chalice, after he had supped, saying: This chalice is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as often as you shall drink, for the commemoration of me.

>[26] For as often as you shall eat this bread, and drink the chalice, you shall shew the death of the Lord, until he come. [27] Therefore whosoever shall eat this bread, or drink the chalice of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and of the blood of the Lord. [28] But let a man prove himself: and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of the chalice. [29] For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh judgment to himself, not discerning the body of the Lord. [30] Therefore are there many infirm and weak among you, and many sleep.

Hebrews 11
>[1] Now faith is the substance of things to be hoped for, the evidence of things that appear not. [2] For by this the ancients obtained a testimony. [3] By faith we understand that the world was framed by the word of God; that from invisible things visible things might be made. [4] By faith Abel offered to God a sacrifice exceeding that of Cain, by which he obtained a testimony that he was just, God giving testimony to his gifts; and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

>>15228531
>You like eating tasteless things?
There's a difference between not preferring something and being disgusted by something. I prefer wine over water, but I am not "disgusted" by a small sip of water to the point where I have to spit it out. Eating a small piece of cracker may not be a euphoric experience, but it shouldn't be a cause for gagging.

>>15228646
Kek alright

>>15228668
The anon you speak to is a serpent to you. Do not listen to what he says. How absurd his logic is in appearance--scripture demands worship, prayer, sacrifice, and testimony; this anon says none of it is necessary. How can any accept his teaching?

>>15228680
>Eating a small piece of cracker may not be a euphoric experience, but it shouldn't be a cause for gagging.
It is when you think it's chicken.

>>15228694
You’re with Doctors Without Borders? Very nice anon

>>15228694
nice pecs, very gentle and subtle.

>>15228641
You are telling a lot of just-so stories, inventing "plausible" explanations out of thin air (Martin was "probably" just pushing Zimmerman around, the jury "probably" just acquitted him because they're racist southerners) that really have no reference to any solid data. What I am talking about is not a "technicality" but the moral basis of the entire legal system, namely, the presumption of innocence and the criterion of reasonable doubt. It's fine if you dispute the findings of the case, but please do so on more solid grounds than just prejudice and preconception.

>>15228680
Anon, by your argument, you attempt to defend Christ, but you profane him. The eucharist is sacred. How do you go about in lukewarm criticism of the flesh of God? That it has little taste is for our benefit; why do you act like it is some fault or something that must be suffered? It is this way precisely so that people do not do as you and the other anon are doing; the host is made with little taste so that when we eat the body of Christ we are less likely to dwell on the accidents of its appearance than to contemplate its substance and therefore dispose ourselves to receive the grace of the real presence of God. It's is a mercy and wisdom of Holy Mother Church that they have made it so for our edification.

>>15228700
I don’t know dude, a being that doesn’t have an ego and requires sacrifice and adoration doesn’t seem very logical to me.

>>15228641
Do you know how often black kids get killed by other blacks in ghettos over this type of dispute? Literally constantly. The only difference here is that it happened in a nicer neighborhood by a non-criminal who the media at first erroneously labeled as a white republican.

>>15228714
you're doing the same but pretending that the findings of an illegitimate court are evidence. My explanation is much more plausible.
Your whole narrative depends on the findings of the court, which are the exact point in question.

>>15228694
I've got that T-shirt too.

>>15228750
What is an ego? Why would anyone trust Frued over St. Thomas?

>>15228758
The findings of the court are more legitimate than your completely baseless speculation

>>15228242
>nigger acts out violently
>gets shot
What am I missing here?

>>15228778
He's not using the freudian definition I don't think.

>>15228786
the spic kept following him around, which prompted the nigger into chimping out

>>15228758
I'm not assuming that Zimmerman's account of what transpired is true, I'm only assuming that there was not enough available evidence against that narrative to convict Zimmerman. Why is the result of an "illegitimate" court less plausible than your random uninformed conjecture -- and your obvious taste for mob justice, probably borne from latent sadistic tendencies (that is a plausible explanation for your rhetoric, right? I guess it must be true).

>>15228783
Southern courts have proven themselves time and time again to be the opposite of legitimate in cases like this, and the decision contradicts what we can conclude from what we know of the case and what we know of the people involved.
Are you aware of zimmerman's statements and actions after the case?

>>15228758
Not him but your explanation is total conjecture and not plausible in the slightest when the actual evidence is taken into account.

>>15228794
What is his definition, then? Where does it come form? Why should it be accepted? What is it that it has any meaning in theology?

>>15228740
>Anon, by your argument, you attempt to defend Christ, but you profane him.
Who said anything about Christ?

>>15228694
you look fat.

>>15228809
Do you accept the findings of the autopsy and of the crime-scene reports? Zimmerman was attacked by Martin, and there is no physical evidence to suggest that Zimmerman attacked Martin prior.

>>15228819
The eucharist is the real presence of Christ. Do you say otherwise? If so, how?

>>15228797
If Zimmerman wasn’t there the nig would have chimped out over something else
It’s in their nature

>>15228851
the crime scene reports support that zimmerman got out of his car chased martin after the police told him to stop, was in an agitated state, and accosted him as he retreated to the townhouse where he was staying. There was some kind of scuffle, a gun shot, and zimmerman knelt over martin after the gunshot supposedly beating him. Autopsy reports a close range shot and the possibility of some marijuana.

>>15228868
I'm just here to address the wafer angle.

>>15228931
What is the taste of a thing next to its substance? Why do you feel the need to a correct a man about his tastes, but not about his relationship with God?

>>15228924
You don't present the crime scene report accurately. It does not use the word chase, which communicates active pursuit, as opposed to follow, which means observation. Further, agitated state is hardly a meaningful descriptor, and Zimmerman's attitude prior to making contact with Martin and after the shooting are not necessarily indicative of his presence of mind during the altercation. ZImmerman had a significant injury to the back of the head, and his blood was on the sidewalk where he said Martin had smashed his head. Further, a single close-range shot corresponds exactly with Zimmerman's account, and does not correspond to a reasonable speculation on what you seem to suppose; how could Zimmerman have shot Martin close range in the location he was shot if Zimmerman were actively pursuing Martin, unless the shot were like an execution? There is nothing to support that version of events. That Zimmerman was hot-headed and rash in no way changes the essential facts of the case which strongly demonstrate that the shooting itself was an act of legitimate self-defense. Likewise, that Zimmerman acted in self-defense when shooting Martin is in no way exculpatory for any other part of Zimmerman's behavior or choices. This case should be a sobering example for all Americans first to be more aware and involved in who we choose to protect us, but also as a lesson that law enforcement officers should be seen through a more human lens, and therefore children should be taught to treat them like any other person with a gun. We cannot expect super-human restraint when life and death are on the line.

>>15228758
>the court is illegitimate because I don’t like its findings
lol niggers

>>15228188
>In the old days that fat old fuck would have been tarred, feathered, hung,and burnt.
Surely in the old days nobody would have given a fuck it you shot some blackie?

>>15228961
Theological questions are above my pay-grade. The guy was just plain wrong with regard to wafers.

>>15229180
No man is beneath theology. Your tastes will pass like the flesh from your bones and God will stand in judgement. I strongly encourage you not to pass over what is greater for what is lesser.

>>15228797
>if someone follows you its okay to bash their head into the pavement
nigger tier logic

Nigger Traygone deserved it

>>15229191
>pass like the flesh from your bones
Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!

>>15229226
I can guarantee you that such disgust is not even the beginning of hell.

>>15229243
In comparison to which a mere wafer would be heaven.

>>15228138
Making a political statement with communion is undeniably heretical by 1 Corinthians.

>open-minded Christian
Read the entire bible, and then carefully re-evaluate every theological belief you have exegetically.

>>15229251
No. There is no consolation for the damned.

>>15229256
It's not a communion. The person offering it is not a priest, and can never be a priest. Not a single part of the essential form was respected. It is a sacrilege to call such a thing communion.

>>15229261
Flame-broiled wafers add just the 'kick' needed to be palatable.

>>15228574
if man was created in God's image it only should make sense for me to think of God in human emotions. also he wouldn't have sent Jesus if he didn't want you to think of him as a man

>>15229274
Why do you take eternal separation from God to be a joke?

>>15229316
>separation from God
Which one?

>>15228603
cringe

>>15228603
Based

>>15229272
>only priests can give communion
Cringe catholic. Go study the entire Bible.

>Uh that doesnt count thats not REEL CHRISTIANITY!!!!!!
Like clockwork, every fucking time

>>15228138
>rev.
yeah I'd lay hands on her, if you know what I mean

>>15228242
>you're unfairly judging Travyon Martin based on how he looks
>just look at this boomer, that's all you need to do to know he murdered in cold blood.

Good bait, got me to respond.

>>15229358
>>only priests can give communion
>Cringe catholic.
but I thought all of us were priests?

>>15228694

>>15228188
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>>15228641
>>15228758
>when you give up all independent thought, objectivity, intellectual honesty, sense of justice and self-awareness because my team good other team bad!
many such cases

Just read this post >>15228603 and yes, it is based.

>all this ice tea bullshit
Do you know what my favorite thing about the Trayvon Martin ordeal was? How the media was so determined to paint one particular picture that they went out of their way to lie about what his drink was. It wasn't a tea. It was fucking watermelon juice. It's in the crime scene photos, it's specified in all the news initial reports, but surely enough it quickly went from Arizona Watermelon Drink to Arizona Iced Tea. You can rationalize not covering this or that on a busy news day, but it's the little details that show where their true intentions lie.

>>15229322
How can there by any but the one?

>>15229589
People call all the Arizona beverages tea

>/lit/ is unrionically a Christian board now
Fuck me, this website has gone to garbage

>>15229751
>contrarian websites shifts views to be contrarian
shocked.

>>15228138
This is idolatry, we don't worship Trayvon Martin.

>>15229358
Does not Jesus say, in the Gospel of John:
>[1] I am the true vine; and my Father is the husbandman. [2] Every branch in me, that beareth not fruit, he will take away: and every one that beareth fruit, he will purge it, that it may bring forth more fruit. [3] Now you are clean by reason of the word, which I have spoken to you. [4] Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abide in the vine, so neither can you, unless you abide in me. [5] I am the vine: you the branches: he that abideth in me, and I in him, the same beareth much fruit: for without me you can do nothing.
So I ask you--how is it that since time immemorial, consecrated priests and bishops have given communion under the species of bread and wine as the real presence of God? This teaching and this practice are found in all the ancient Churches. It is in the Roman Church, the Church of Constantinople, the Church of Alexandria, the Church of Moscow, and all Apostolic Churches. Of these, Rome thrives, and the others limp. But what of the protestant churches? They whither and are scattered. Every year they divide. Every year they must invent new doctrines and new customs to hold even a part of their numbers. And no Church but the Catholic Church has born any good fruit. How do you say that the Catholic Church has fallen short? When could this have been? For 2000 years the Church in Rome has stood, amidst all violence and persecution. The first break occurred some 400 years after its birth, and of the two Churches, it is the Catholic Church that thrives. After 1000, there seemed two churches, but it is the Catholic Church that thrives. After Luther, there was great violence, but where is the Lutheran Church now? Where is the Church of England now? Where is Calvin? Everyone of the world says that the Catholic Church is always behind the times, slow to change. But they are of the world, and so they believe change and death to be a glory. The Catholic Church is not slow, but ahead of all. The Catholic Church changes little, for it is of the eternal vine and so bears fruit in all seasons. Where do you find any scripture except in the store-room of the Catholic Church?

>>15229720
I'm not suggesting there is more than one. But there are a lot of purported gods out there. Which one are you referring to?

>>15230016
That's a dishonest way of approaching the question. Logically, just as the laws of physics are independent from our understanding of those laws, so must theological truth be independent of our understanding of theology. And just as it would be absurd to hold all conjectures of physics equal, regardless of experimental practice, it is even more absurd to hold all theological claims as of equivalent weight and merit, ignoring all realities of practice. Further, you clearly understand the general set of claims these arguments exist within, and so it is supremely disengenous to introduce a superficial appeal to comparative theology, especially when your understanding of obscure and extinct religions are certainly poorer than your understanding of the claims at hand. You know what's being discussed, and while it might make you feel superior to act as thought the relevant claims are as one among a sea of indiscernible equals, there can be no honest motivation for feigning ignorance.

>>15229937
>implying there aren't any orthodox Lutherans and Anglicans
Yikes

>>15230077
What I'm inferring from your post is that Chemosh is the one true god. How'd I do?

>>15228188
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>>15228641
You're probably just trolling, but I'll respond anyway because I see enough people who genuinely think this way.

Zimmerman was found innocent because his injuries were consistent with his story and there were no witnesses or counter evidence. Any good jury would have found him innocent and it has nothing to do with races of the two parties(see OJ Simpson, see Casey Anthony).

You're effectively advocating for a justice system where people are guilty until proven innocent, which is of course what all leftist want(see rape).

>>15230116
There literally aren't. Though Aquinas presents good arguments for suggesting the seed of schism is not actually heresy but contention, it must be admitted that schism itself creates a heterodoxy, even if its substance is nothing else but the insistence upon separation.

Protestantism was a mistake

>>15230152
>There literally aren't.
Explain LCMS and ACNA then.

>>15230124
And how do you suppose that?

>>15230159
I already did.

>>15230171
No, you didn't. LCMS and ACNA or orthodox Lutherans and Anglicans respectively.

>>15229937
>Using church history to prove theological points
oh nonononono

>>15230162
Well, let me put it this way. In college they called me Sherlock. They gave me that nickname for a reason! Cheers.

>>15230209
How did the Apostles know whether Barsabas or Matthias was to replace Judas? God is the Author of Life. Therefore, life gives clear evidence of God's will. Would a river be recognized by where its branches fail, or by where its water continually flows?

>>15230302
I'm sorry anon, but someday you're going to find suffering and salvation are not so funny as you think. I hope for your sake it is sooner rather than later.

>>15230199
I'm pretty sure I did. But in case I didn't, could you give my arguments back to me so to show where I have failed to account for your claimed exceptions?

>>15230328
Fuck it, I'll bite. Explain, specifically, how you know Chemosh will enact that prophecy of yours. Take your time.

>>15230337
LCMS and ACNA hold to their original confessional standards of the Lutheran church and the 39 Articles of the Church of England. To say they are not orthodox Lutherans and Anglicans makes you a retard.

>>15229751
“Christians” on 4chan never fail to make me laugh, I’m pretty sure posting on here gives you a ticket straight to hell

>>15230313
The apostles had many more supernatural abilities than you and I, not to mention that they were given the ability to write the canon, so what they said literally was from God.

Catholicism is wrong on the basic paradigms of Christianity. The lowest possible level one can understand the church's function to be, they get wrong. Its pointless to argue with you because you and I disagree on a fundamental level. Read Calvin and Luther.

>>15228590
we glory in god for our benefit. god, being complete in and of himself, has no "use" for our praise, but he knows that instructing us to worship a higher power outside of ourselves is the best way for us to leave behind ego and get closer to the divine

>>15230652
>The apostles had many more supernatural abilities

>>15230405
It is a contradiction to say that one is heterodox in an orthodox way. Lutheranism and Anglicanism are heterodoxies, and therefore that one holds it more firmly and more in keeping with the original contentions or heresies only increases the heterodoxy. Christianity is one religion, and the Catholic Church is the only true church. It is possible for any person to baptize any other person and thereby receive sanctifying Grace, there are validly ordained priests who perform valid consecrations in other churches, but only the Catholic Church possesses the fullness of the deposit of faith.

>>15230353
Who said anything about Chemosh? Only you. Why have you brought him up? If you took life seriously, you would argue seriously.

>>15228197
It wasn't a matter of deescalation, but of staying home and not actively seek out a fight. Trayvon was almost home and decided to turn around and look for the George, and then decided to attack him on top of that. It's not like George was on his ass, breathing down his neck either. There were multiples points where George completely lost track of Trayvon.

This whole affair is a testament to how stupid and uninformed the left is.

>>15228758
>you're doing the same but pretending that the findings of an illegitimate court are evidence.
Did you even watch the trial? The judge was a major cunt who was biased towards the prosecution. It was so bad that even the lawyers commentating on the case were talking about how there's definite room for appeal if George is convicted.

>>15230408
>he doesn't browse text-only
NEVER GONNA MAKE IT DEGENERATE

>>15230809
Your mistake is thinking the Roman Catholic church is THE catholic church.

>>15230408
Why would it be a ticket to hell?

>>15230652
No Church can trace any teaching back to the Apostles except through the Catholic Church. No teaching which is outside the Catholic Church can be traced, by transmission, back to the Apostles. The basic paradigm of the universe is that God created all things; he did not leave it to things to create themselves. We call God Father, and Christ Brother, but in this we recognize God as Lord of All. Being itself has a fundamental hierarchy which is monarchical. Always has God given his graces through the hands of one to many. While the mana in the desert was spread on the ground for all to eat, nothing else could they eat; when the water poured forth in the desert, it did not come form many rocks, but only one. A spring does not move. A river may change course, but it's source and its destination always remain the same.

>>15230894
What other Church could it be?

>>15230925
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_invisible

>>15228188
>he was a normal kid who got murdered doing normal shit.
He was a niglet thug who was killed by a rent-a-cop (a fat, hispanic, retarded rent-a-cop) because he jumped said rent-a-cop.
So yeah, a totally normal niglet thug.

>>15230964
Why do you present Catholic teaching as though it somehow is against the Catholic Church. No one has ever said that all those who confess the Catholic faith and belong to the earthly institution will be saved. It is often understood that Augustine put forward the first clear defense of this teaching, and he gave it to defend against the Donatists who insisted that Priests must be perfect to be valid. But where in Scripture does it teach there there is only to be an invisible Church, and no visible Church? And how can you use a Catholic teaching put forward by a Catholic doctor in defense of a visible Catholic Church which remains true and valid despite seeming corruption as any argument against that very same body?