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that passage isn't about Plato, it just uses the word Platonic

>>15222668
>oh wow let's reinvent pluralism

>>15222749
yikes

>>15223066

>>15222668
>>15223066
if you want his take on Plato, read After the Law

seething

>>15223116
Cringe

>>15222749
He's saying Plato is Fascist for his politics in Statesman and Republic most likely, which is retarded because you're apllying 20th century terms and ideas to ancient Greek ones.

>>15223622
>you're
take your meds.

>>15223622
no, he's saying that philosophy has an affinity with despotism, due to its predilection for Platonic-fascist top-down solutions that always screw up viciously. if he thinks Platonism is fascism, why would he need to hyphenate the two words together?

>>15223675

>Confucius say: Man who fart in church.....must sit in his own Pew!!

>>15223687
>oh no, he pointed out that I am a functionally illiterate on an anime forum!
>I know, I'll post a picture of somebody holding an anime body pillow
>now no one will know I'm a retard

>>15223725
calm down nick.

>>15223736
No. I didn't spend weeks writing my book just to have you sully it by not spending the time to read it properly.

>>15223634
You're/he is. You understanf the colloquialism.

>>15223757
so your argument is that he thinks Platonism is fascist, and what he really wanted to say was
>philosophy has an affinity with despotism, due to its predilection for fascist-fascist top-down solutions
??

>>15223757
or possibly
>philosophy has an affinity with despotism, due to its predilection for Platonic-Platonic top-down solutions
??
??

actually supports neo-Chinese techno-fascism like a boss

>>15223675
True, but fascist isn’t the right he world. Marx was heavily influenced by the works of German philosophers and communism was an almost-satanic entity. Philosopher can really be the poison of all sort of ideologies, doesn’t matter if racist or communist.

>>15223622
Grammatical nitpicking.
Plato wrote ideas that were the basis of Fascist implementations. Is it LAZY to call Plato fascist? Yes. Is it wrong to say that the Republic is fascistic? No.
This bullshit is the height of intellectual dishonesty.
Plato & Aristotle invented fascism, and then Mussolini et al named it such after.

Why don't you want to admit Plato is fascist?

>>15224302
Plato isn’t fascist. That’s dumb. Plato thinks people are dumb as fuck and only very select people should vote and Hitler was voted in by the common people and had the support of the common people. If anything Plato was absolutely right about the stupidity of common people.

It was because of the common German morons that Hitler used his charisma to manipulate.

>>15222668
I haven't read this guy but from what it seems he's the >dude memes are philosophy guy.
Correct me if i'm wrong.

>>15224312

>>15224348
Not an argument

>dude regular philosophy is elitist
>the neoguattarian lesbian perplilex of the vedic transcriptions portray a sea without water in the technological sense in other words being a godless cumswallowing tranny that seduces children on discord is le epic based and redpilled

>>15222668
>Platonic-fascist top-down solutions that always screw up viciously.
Platonic philosophy isn't "top-down": it's dialectical. Hellenic orthodox philosophy was top-down. Socrates was killed by the state for being anti-Hellenic.

>>15224388
>What are the forms
>What is the Good

>>15224302
>Is it wrong to say that the Republic is fascistic? No.
Yes it is wrong. Fascism is a narrowly-termed political project. You're merely equating hierarchy with fascism. Was the American African slave economy "fascist"?

>>15224370
>godless cumswallowing tranny that seduces children on discord is le epic based and redpilled
Have you ever taken a Rorschach test?

>>15223622
That's not what he is talking about. You can't even deal with cringe nick and the dude weeds brothers. Never gonna make it

>>15224404
Almost all of the history should be considered fascist by that definition. Women were treated terribly and men’s property. Literally slaves.

>>15224402
Plato's *metaphysics* is top-down in the sense of the hierarchy of forms and appearances. The Socratic/Platonic process of philosophy is not "top-down" in the sense of prescriptive or dogmatic.

You're right. I misunderstood Land's statement (forgot about OOO). The original post is fucking stupid. Also the word "fascist" is so oddly metaphorical as to be misleading.

>>15224409
Have had the opportunity, didn't take it.
I still haven't read the Greeks even but I must say.
You niggers do like to meme the hell out of the absolute end of philosophy.

This guy seems similar to Wittgenstein in that his philosophy is simple enough to be explained in one sentence but because they are 'smart' they need to write books with senseless words.

Oh yeah, sure, he fixed philosophy.
I'm reading Arendt right now and after this i'll read Fanon because those are good writers writing on interesting subject.

Land I know from tranny memes.

Oh look its our weekly psychosis expenditure thread, hope you flesh-suit wearing hyperguerillas have a good time. Just don't take too many stims or you'll end up with a hangover so bad you'll start seeing race realism as a teleology

>>15224465
Wittgenstein doesn’t make any sense because you’re not autistic. If you’re autistic, you would understand why there was a problem with language.

>>15224482
I read and understood Wittgenstein, it's just a very basic premise.
Wittgenstein 1 argues for the spoken analysis of the world as a 1:1
Wittgenstein 2 argues for language as a tool or as a game (which is not new to anyone)

I fail to see how he's brought anything new to the table. All he did was cleverly word it.
Nick Land cleverly words tranny memes.

I'd rather stick to the Platonic and Lacanian tradition if this was the alternative.

>>15224490
>cleverly word it
His writing style is basic as fuck

Was he retarded?

>>15224498
My grandfather who studied philosophy told me to start with the Greeks (Plato, Aristotle, Heraclitus, Parmenides), move to the Enlightenment thinkers (Descartes, Kant, Hegel, Galilee, Fichte) and then the early Post-modernists (Nietzsche, Heidegger) followed by the late Post-modernists (Foucault, Derrida, Deleuze).

Now are you telling me you read all that?
Are you telling me you're a tranny who's read Fanged Noumena? Are you telling me you're just here for the memes?

Stop memeing this ugly dead fucker.
Dial8

>>15224523
Thank you for establishing you’re a retard. It was too easy. Kinda boring actually.

>>15224542
>posts a picture of blade runner
>in the neotechnological confusing words teenage trannies facebook group
you just wouldn't get it
i read all of philosophy and i totally didn't just read the concept of 'accelerationism' on wikipedia and now pretend i'm SO SMART LOOK HOW OBSCURE THIS PHILOSOPHY IS NEOCARTESIAN SHAMALABA DINGDONG TECHNOFUCK IN TRANNYSYNDYCALISM

>>15224551
Go on

>>15224490
>Wittgenstein 1 argues for the spoken analysis of the world as a 1:1
wrong, picture theory isn't naive realism in the slightest. And your analysis of game theory as "not new" is simply anachronistic

>>15224542
Like, never in these threads is there actual discussion.
Answer my question, show me you didn't just read a wikipedia article and show me that you really understand whatever retarded quack quack pepe is a tranny nonsense you fuckers put out.

Rejected from hermeneutics all you can do is name weird sounding words and orbit your prophet Nick Land for shining onto the unwashed masses the unlearned truth. Yeah, accelerationism.

Whatever the fuck it means.
My late grandfather read all the books and he never was a retarded faggot about it. He wrote coherent academic works.

I intend to follow in his footsteps but you won't see me spamming NICK SCHMAND AND THE BOY BAND until i've read all i've mentioned earlier.

>>15224551
why do you keep talking about trannys?

>>15224573
>prove to me you know what I don't
are you handicapped or something? how are you supposed to judge if he knows what he's talking about if you don't know what you're talking about in the first place?

>>15224551
>TRANNYSYNDICKALISM
lol

>>15224570
He argues that people relate words to concepts of reality, whereas naive reality/cartesians would argue man relates thoughts to language. Not that hard to understand, only took me a little while to get it.

As for Land, nobody has come out of the woodworks to explain the basic premise so I haven't been able to catch on.

It helps to understand Kant's categorical imperative before reading his colossal works.

I'm going at this with a snail's pace and i'll get there, but this Land guy just seems like a symbol for teenage angst at this point since I haven't heard him articulated in norman speak anywhere.

>>15224573

>>15224575
Facebook meme groups that are centered around post-modernism, with perhaps one dysfunctional philosophy post-graduate and a few hundred homosexual teenagers.

>>15224580
I haven't read him but I think i'm smart enough to distinguish incoherent bullshit from some vaguely rigid explanation.
Ofcourse I won't approach people in the streets with your explanation word for word but atleast i'll have gotten the gist of it.

Now I have the idea that people read The Republic, thought it was boring and dropped it halfway and skipped straight to watching YouTube lectures of the final branch in supposed canon/avant-garde philosophy.

I could make arguments for Nietzsche who I haven't yet read, but instead I like to speak a bit about Arendt who I have read one (1) book from.
Even then i'm not confident enough to really discuss her material because it's so dense.

Despite my prudence, you have Tiffy the Gangrene Cock spouting her shit all over the internet about some foggy British cunt with a shit eating face about some convoluted bullshit about capitalism or something.

>>15224595
He has lectures in Arabic on YouTube and i'd link them if it didn't mean i'd doxx myself.

>>15224589
You are missing the whole crux of the Tractatus, it is a negative project delimitating the correspondence. U
You touch on his theory of language, but he only uses language to engage with epistemology. Language in this sense is already metaphysical. Also, there are a bunch of introductions to Land. Watch the rundown everyone meme's, it's not perfect but it's certainly comprehensible
https://youtu.be/lrOVKHg_PJQ
>It helps to understand Kant's categorical imperative before reading his colossal works
No? It doesn't? Maybe the second critique... Certainly not the Critique of Pure Reason or the Critique of Judgement. Just start with the Greeks anon you are so far behind here

>>15224616
based schizophrenic high-school poster

>>15224589
>capital so bad it's good
that's it. that's the caramilk secret.

>>15224627
not doubting you, just remembered someone who told a war story of their based grampa.

>>15224616
>Tiffy the Gangrene Cock
lmao

>>15224629
I read Greek Mythology because gramps told me to start on that + Greek history.
Like a retard I bought Thucydides and Xenophon's Anabasis :laughingcryingemoji:

It'll be another two years before entering university where I intend to study philosophy so it's probably a fucking waste of time to read too much philosophy rather than history, literature and psychology and other useful context to strengthen my actual education in a few years' time.

Language isn't metaphysical. Metaphysics are bullshit because they have no ground in reality.
Language is a direct 1:1 with the real world as agreed upon collectively.

That's what he stresses in WittgensteinII.
It's more of a game that makes sense for practical use rather than some inherent magic mumbo jumbo.

I have a Dutch copy of A.C. (((Grayling)))'s A Very Short Introduction lying around. Heard he's another one of those 'great thinker' atheist kikes but his introduction is a good one. Seems he struggles only with original thought. Typical academic.

Got to page 52 before I got bored by all of the academic crap.
School project had me reading Wittgenstein in Dutch. Even more incomprehensibly boring.

I'm enjoying Arendt.
Thanks for the recommendation.
I try to avoid too much videos on philosophy from bad experiences with The School of Life which I binged as a 15 year old. It deludes your mind and teaches you wrong philosophy.

I'm going to watch this video but mostly I like to get my wisdoms either from anime and cinema or from paperback books. No in-betweens. School lectures are different, but also faulty. Excited for university.

Soz for the blogpost.

>>15224672
>Language isn't metaphysical. Metaphysics are bullshit because they have no ground in reality.
So you disagree with Hegel, Witty, Heidegger, ect. Don't be so quick on this point anon, this is an end game position in philosophy
>Language is a direct 1:1 with the real world as agreed upon collectively
your definition of language is strictly metaphysical, I'll let you reflect on that one...
>It's more of a game that makes sense for practical use rather than some inherent magic mumbo jumbo
more like a game which only serves practical uses and cannot help us discuss the magic mumbo jumbo which really does exist (i.e. the non-sensical). You are very bright anon, but very young, and very cringe. My advice, do your best to hold off on having opinions for a few years. You are too young to know when you are sticking your head in your ass.

Why is it so trendy to shit on "top-down" schemes? Everything has to be "bottom-up" now

>>15224758
he wrote that like 25 years ago for whatever it's worth

Platofags seething

>>15224751
I'm basing that statement off what Witty said.
He contradicted the Tractatus when he wrote his Philosophical Investigations. I could go dredge up my philosophy textbook where there is an excerpt of his that I studied, but Wittgenstein claims metaphysics can only be seen as art or wonders or such. Not within the realm of language. Language itself is historic and cultural, not magic.
>>15224751
Arithmetic isn't metaphysical, it's basic symbols used for basic communications that correlate with real world events. Metaphysics would be stuff like Meinong's Jungle where he believes any concept you can possibly think of has an existence in one of three forms.
>You are very bright anon
stop it, you're making me blush
>but very young, and very cringe
o_o
>My advice, do your best to hold off on having opinions for a few years. You are too young to know when you are sticking your head in your ass.
I'll heed your advice. I'm not leaving 4chan and neither are you so we'll speak again in a thread a few years from now when I can stick my head up my ass, but certified.

>>15224788
>Arithmetic isn't metaphysical
then it doesn't correspond to reality
>Metaphysics would be stuff like Meinong's Jungle
metaphysics, most broadly speaking, is the study of the underlying principles of reality. any theory which claims language can, and in fact does, correspond to reality is thus describing a metaphysical concept. if language describes reality it is metaphysical by its very nature, it corresponds the structures of reality. Witty was not clear at all on this but when you get it, proposition 7 makes infinitely more sense

>>15224844
In due time, i'll understand.

>>15224788
>Wittgenstein claims metaphysics can only be seen as art or wonders or such
also yes, to clarify, true metaphysics, positive metaphysics, lies outside of language. But delineating this is already saying something metaphysical. Defining what metaphysics is not (i.e. sense) is a type of negative metaphysics, something you see a lot of in Eastern Philosophy (netti netti, ect.)