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''The knower and the known are one. Simple people imagine that they should see God as if he stood there and they here. This is not so. God and I, we are one in knowledge. ''Meister Eckhart


You're not a simpleton now Anon, are you?

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>>15211163
>God and I, we are one in knowledge.
What did he mean by this?

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>>15211163
GET FUCKED MAYAVADI

>> No.15211285

>>15211163
naive pre-modern idealism

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>>15211199
The knower , knowledge and known are one .
Sun,fire,moon.
The self is known by it self.
The essence of self is the same of god.
>>15211285
All knowledge has been concluded in nonduality the rest is just cope

>> No.15211456

>>15211163
how to stay in the non-dual state?

>> No.15211931

>>15211456
Remove thoughts/emotions all that obscures nondual awareness

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Self-realizarion has also been made very easy to practice in the present, disturbed age. The sages of yore saw that present day people would be ill equipped for spiritual practice, so they have declared that all it takes in this age to connect with our real selves and the Super-self - Sri Krishna, and thus taste real happiness, is to chant God’s names.

Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare

Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare

"This mantra, consisting of 16 words and 32 syllables, is the only means against evil in the age of Kali. After searching through all the Vedic literature, one cannot find a method of religion more sublime for this age than the chanting of Hare Krsna."

--- Kali-santarana Upanishad

Take the Krishna Pill

>> No.15212666

holy bump

>> No.15212971

>>15211931
how to remove thoughts?

>> No.15213023

>>15212971
Grab the back of your knees and then take deep breath and then slam your head as hard as you can into your desk.

>> No.15213382

buddhism > stinky hindooism

>> No.15213961

>>15212971
feel with your awareness,be present and grounded and gradually u will be able to still your mind and stop automatic thoughts.
At first observe them until u can stop them

>>15213382
but buddhism is incel cope

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>The final emancipation called mokhsha for the beings who are bound to the problems of samsara can be attained by intense devotion to the Lord with the true knowledge of HIM.
>Sriman Narayana is the Lord of the universe, and the creation, destruction, sustainanance, control, etc., are according to his wish. He is the one called Brahma in the vedas and HE is full of knowledge, bliss, and power [strength].
>All living beings are different from Him and from each other and are subordinate to Him, all their actions are controlled by Him.
>All inanimate objects are different from Him and from each other and from all living objects.
>The world is real.
>The five-fold difference between God, living and non-living beings is an eternal fact

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>>15214099
>Those who see duality go from death to death -upanishads
U're no more then a farm animal to gods , the one who has awakened to brahman not even gods can harm him

>> No.15214633

>>15214433
Stay deluded, mayavadi

>> No.15214642

>>15214633
How can one be deluded in pure insight?
stay a farm animal better luck in next lifetime

>> No.15214652

>>15214642
It isn't pure insight by virtue of you declaring it to be so

>> No.15214678

>>15214099
>>15214433

this conflict seems really superficial. if you're going to 'love' something, i.e gain union with it by selfless devotion, then it makes sense to be entrenched in duality and see it as something outside of yourself. it does not have to be logical

>> No.15214700

>>15214652
nonsense try again,by virtue of you being a brainlet

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>>15213382
This

Hinduism is just a massive cope and ripped most of its stuff from Buddhism anyway.

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>>15211438
Sounds like some kind of neoplatonism

>> No.15215477

>>15212229
Sounds like a gay version of Christianity

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>>15215462
>neoplatonism
>posts gnostic shit
but you are right that non-dualism is gnostic shit

>> No.15215544

>>15215505
I guess I was referencing the top circle. Anon reminded me of the part that described Christ as thought thinking itself.
Anyway, isn't Gnsoticsm an interation of Neoplatonism? I was told Plotinus doesn't have a monopoloy on the title.

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>>15214855
http://www.sutrajournal.com/the-tantric-age-a-comparison-of-shaiva-and-buddhist-tantra-by-christopher-wallis
>To mention the most salient and indisputable example, Sanderson has discovered that of one the central Yoginī Tantras, the Laghuśaṃvara (aka Cakrasaṃvara, Herukābhidhāna), the core tantra of the Saṃvara cycle, owes at least half its verses to Śaiva sources (primarily the Yoginīsañcāra of the Jayadrathayāmala, the Siddhayogeśvarī, Brahmayāmala, and Tantrasadbhāva)—not in terms of inspiration, but direct copying. He has also discovered evidence of borrowings in a number of other texts. And this borrowing does not center on matters of little consequence. In fact, the entire consecration (abhiṣeka) rite described in Yogottara- and Yoginī-tantras and redacted from them into a standard form in Abhayākaragupta’s Vajrāvalī (1100 ce; the rite is described at Sanderson 1994: 88-92) is modelled in almost every element (ritual actions, mantra forms, role of the maṇḍala) on the standard Śaiva dīkṣā or initiation rite outlined in earlier Śaiva scriptures and described in detail in unpublished paddhatis

Buddhists literally copied Shaiva scriptures word for word, including typographical errors.

Buddhism, Shaivism and Advaita Vedanta had symbiotic relationships and all influenced one another. However to say Hinduism got most of its material from Buddhism is completely false.

>> No.15216192

>>15215716
Vajrayana is obviously syncretic and took a lot from Shaivism but it doesn't represent the core of Buddhism. Buddhism was instrumental in constructing the philosophical framework of non-dualism, to the point where they were copied by Advaitins and Kashmiri Shaivites.

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>>15214855
yup this, "hinduism" doesn't even exist until 1000AD and then it was basically founded as a ripoff of buddhism

there is brahmanism before that, but it's mostly a confused folk religion. all interesting ascetic movements in india came out of the eastern ganges, and brahmanism only adopted them later.

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>>15215477
Its Christianity for non retards
>>15215716
this based

>>15216300
how come they copied from upanishads which came prior to any buddhist texts

>> No.15217237

Twas an angel what decended upon me at my time of need, and instructed me in the divine way of ass cleaning.

>> No.15217478

>>15211163
typical, deluded christcucks thinking they are smarter than everyone because they kick around a jew god in their head. fuck off and go meditate

>> No.15217537

>>15217213
Upanishads were a reaction to proto-sramanism, Hindus can't explain the switch from IE-centric polytheism to Brahman-centric contemplation.

>> No.15217706

>>15217478
>personal god
OH NO
not gonna make it
take the nonduality pill plebian

>> No.15217994

>>15211163
The use to which you are putting this statement is Gnostic trash. God knows man but man does not know God, having never been God, but a creature. Denial of creation, as a creature, is complete vanity and idiotic self-exaltation. Creaturely being is redeemed only by the advent of one who is both God and Man. But if God and man are one only in the person of God Incarnate, then mystical knowledge is not the road to union with God, and is only a chimera for fools to pursue. Union is found not in realising you are identical with God, but sharing in communion with the one who is both finite and infinite. Not "I am God," but "Thou art God, and I know God through Thee."

>> No.15218042

>>15215544
read ennead 3:9

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>>15218042
>ennead 3:9
sorry mean 3.6
3.9 doesn't exist heh

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>>15217994
>"Thou art God, and I know God through Thee."
It is only a statement out of spiritual ignorance, you can never know God like that, the only thing you can investigate is yourself and once you know your essence can you touch upon god. Union is realization the self beyond obstruction.Only when you know yourself as infinite and not finite can you find liberation and immortality

>> No.15218189

>>15218079
cringe...

>> No.15218321

>>15215505
I thought gnosticism was super dualistic

>> No.15218370

>>15218189
not gonna make it, good luck in next lifetime chump

>> No.15218382

>>15218079

It is not ignorance, but sobriety. It is not possible to fathom the infinite depths of being, even in oneself, because the well from which finite being draws extends beyond itself: finite being is not being in itself, but dependent being, existing only in relation to that which it does not know.

That said, though the positive being of God is impossible to know, and hence positive knowledge of oneself is impossible on human power alone, it is possible to know one's limits under human power. Knowing those limits, I know that whatever infinity I understand through my self is never the true infinity, for my self is finite and the finite cannot produce the infinite. If I look at myself and think that I know the infinite wellspring whence my self arises, I know neither myself nor the infinite. The moment I lose sight of these limits, and mistake the reflection of Being in myself for the true thing, I lose the ability to tell between the truth and error. The heathen 'non-dualist', in ignoring the sober knowledge of his limits has only put out his eyes, and careened into futile idolatry.

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>>15215544
>isn't Gnsoticsm an interation of Neoplatonism?
Gnosticism is a corrpution of Neoplatonism but some forms are more noble than others. Valentinian Gnosicism is ok, Sethian is cringe

>> No.15218395

>>15217994
This.

>>15218079
Spiritual ignorance is precisely this confusion with an all-engulfing impersonal ''all''. This is pantheism. I don't even think nondualism is restricted to this, but many people misunderstand what it really conveys. There is no annihilation. You and God are one and distinct. Difference and non-difference. Other and Not-Other. Bheda Abheda. It transcends both sameness and difference, it is beyond mere confusion.

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>>15218382
Because u are still in ignorance on truth and have not realized the self.
You identify with body/mind which are finite therefore thinking yourself as finite . Knower and the known are one in knowledge when has realized his infinite essence .

You identify with the reflection of the sun due to ignorance produced by Maya illusion and do not realize that you're the sun.There is no separation between creature-creator its an illusion.
>>15218395
nonsensical

>> No.15218836

>>15218629
Who is ''in ignorance on truth''? What needs to realize itself? Is the Atman conditioned by jivatma?

>> No.15218868

>Hindus still don't know why Maya exists

>> No.15218880

>>15218629

There is no basis on which you can assert that creation never happened, or that I am under illusion, except the futile imaginings of your own finite intellect. Not even you have any reason to give credence to these ravings, let alone anyone else.

>> No.15218916

>>15218395
Shankaracharya in his commentary on the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad explained how the 'difference and non-difference' view that you espouse is illogical and not taught by the Upanishads. If you go to the index at the back of the pdf in this link you can look up 'Bhartrprapanca' and then go to the pages that it lists for that entry to see where Shankara refutes the 'difference and non-difference' view

https://archive.org/details/Brihadaranyaka.Upanishad.Shankara.Bhashya.by.Swami.Madhavananda/mode/2up

>> No.15218944

>>15218868
Shaktas do, am reading Srimad Devi-Bhagavatam and there's an awesome story about how Maya-shakti controls even vishnu, how Maya isn't a bug but a feature

>> No.15218975

>>15218868
That's not true, the various schools which accept it (in addition to Advaita multiple Tantric schools accept a modified form of it) all hold different answers, Advaita says that it is the nature of Brahman to always be weilding maya just as it is the nature of the sun to always emit light or the nature of a living being to always be breathing, this latter metaphor being used by the Upanishads themselves when the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad says that the Upanishads are like the breath of Brahman. The different Tantric schools say that Brahman does so as disport, or for the sake of beauty, or as part of enjoying union with His divine consort.

>> No.15219024

>>15218916
Thank you, I’ll read it. Can you give a tl;dr though? I don’t think it can be understood logically since it is a state in union with the Godhead. It seems it ends up being the same difference between the simplicity of catholic christians and platonists.

>> No.15219191

>>15219024
There are 8 or 9 different points in his commentary where he criticizes the views of Bhartrprapanca who evidently supported difference and non-difference and who wrote an earlier commentary on that Upanishad attempting to show that it taught his doctrine. You have to read all of the entries where Bhartrprapanca's views are mentioned to get the full picture as some of Shankaracharya's arguments have to do with scripture and others more involve analyzing the logicality of the idea by itself. As just one example it becomes illogical to say that the true nature of God consists of both difference and non-difference because of how those are mutually opposed attributes just as light and darkness are mutually contradictory and opposed to one another.

>> No.15219259

>>15218880
u christcucks definitely are limited in intellect among other things, read shankara and realize self nature. identifying with body mind complex is idiotic and easily proven false.Reason u are still under illusion and identify with finite with easily dispelled when the eternal self is realized and one is conscious of maya

>>15218836
generic mistake, the mind is. the knower and known are one

>> No.15219264

Shankara makes the same mistake that Descartes does.
He takes on the Epokhé but stops at wakefulness.
So he then decides wakefulness is the source of everything and assigns it the status of an immortal ghost.
He trusts consciousness to tell him what it is for itself, but consciousness always lies because that's it's function: to model from sense data, and quickly.
This is easiest shown by that experience of White Light. It appears to be absence of color, but is actually all colors.
This is one of many of Consciousness' lies and distortions.

>> No.15219416

>>15219191
>it becomes illogical to say that the true nature of God consists of both difference and non-difference because of how those are mutually opposed attributes just as light and darkness are mutually contradictory and opposed to one another.
but it is impossible to be united with God's essence, unless you admit nondualism, ontological undifferentiation or any kind of emanationism. It is this deified state that is the case of Bheda-Abheda. It is union with God through His energies (which are distinct from His essence but not separated). God's essence is utterly incommunicable, we're deified through His energies. There is no dialectical tension in the Godhead, it is beyond any conceptual notion, thinking that God is something to be described through any category of reason is betraying what Gaudapada, an advaitin, claims.

>> No.15219969

>>15219264
The self/awareness knows itself by itself as many mystical schools point out,i think you might be mistaking it for the mind but the soul is that which animates the mind it is before it.

>> No.15220037

>>15219416
How does Bheda-Abheda differ from Vishishtadvaita? They seem quite similar though the first is less clearly defined.

>> No.15220107

>>15212229
Lol why would I do that in the ancient language instead of the one I speak? Prescriptive rituals are so retarded.

>> No.15220130

>>15220107
i do not understand your brainletism my good sire. Simply such combination of words works

>> No.15220150

>>15220107
how can you have a non-prescriptive ritual

>> No.15220161

>>15219264
Your example is wrong insofar as Vedanta admits that there are such things as the intellect, mind and subtle body; all of these are different from the Atman which is what Shankaracharya refers to when he says 'conciousness'. The distortion that makes light appear to be other than what it is occurs in the process of the sensory data intaking information and transmitting it from the organs to the mind. Conciousness is not the one causing the distortion, but rather it is the body which conciousness appears to be associated with which is doing so.

>>15219416
>but it is impossible to be united with God's essence, unless you admit nondualism, ontological undifferentiation or any kind of emanationism
Which Shankaracharya does as a non-dualist, which is why that's not a problem for him. Are you the Orthodox Christian poster who now feels inclined to argue for Bheda-Abheda Vedanta because it seems closer to Orthodox theology? I don't any issue with you or E.O. and I respect the writings like the Philokalia greatly but it's not worth your time to wade into the arguments over Hindu stuff my friend. While it is closer to Christianity Shankaracharya explains clearly how it cannot be the intended teachings of the Upanishads, it might be true of the Christian revelation, but not of the Upanishadic revelation, as in the Upanishads there are too many passages unequivocally condemning all differences, multiplicty etc and connecting them with ignorance, fear, delusion, sorrow etc, and which say that God is without differentiation, parts, connections etc.
>thinking that God is something to be described through any category of reason is betraying what Gaudapada, an advaitin, claims
Shankaracharya wrote a commentary on Gaudapada's work and agreed with him on almost everything, and Gaudapada himself in his Karika completely denies the possibility of creation ex-nihilio and criticizes as illogical the explanations of creation given by people who believe in a real creation/emanation like Bhedebheda Vedantins and others because of how they either involve ex-nihilio or involve a non-eternal creation emerging from or being produced by an eternal God, but that involves the contradiction that if the eternal is transformed or modified into the non-eternal then it wasn't truly eternal to begin with and it becomes a paradox indicating that any One or God that emanates anything which is real cannot itself be the unchanging God which is the cause of anything else. Gaudapada writes in his main work that the doctrine of maya and the closed related concept of non-origination are the only thing which explains how the many can arise from the One without contradiction. They dont arrive at that position starting from abstract metaphysics but are making those arguments to support as logical the doctrine they consider to be taught by the Upanishads, but in doing so they indicate the various problems and contradictions which are found with emanationism and other real creation.

>> No.15220475

>>15220161
I am more or less familiar with Gaudapada's ajativada. He says in his Karika that the manifested world is neither real nor unreal. Maya is not Brahman but flows from it eternally. The world is then necessarily created, Maya is eternally directed to creation (eternal cycles of Prakriti's gunas and Pralaya)?

>> No.15220693

I don't understand why are you promoting this. For me, the realization of nonduality was the most terrifying event in my life. Since the age of twelve, I have been trying to forget it. There is a reason such knowledge is esoteric.

>> No.15221292

>>15220475
Gaudapada and Shankaracharya both agree that the world in itself (and maya, from which the world is inseparable) are undefinable as real or unreal but that it is still unreal on the level of absolute reality where there is only Brahman alone without any multiplicity, distinctions, divisions etc. Yes, Maya is eternally directed to creation
> (eternal cycles of Prakriti's gunas and Pralaya)?
More or less yes, the Upanishads equate Purusha with Brahman and Prakriti with maya

"One must know Maya as Prakriti and the Master of Maya as the great Lord of all."
- Svetasvatara Upanishad. (IV. 10.)

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>>15220693
how come? life is shaky and unstable one can only find peace in infinite . To forget nonduality is to forget yourself , once you know yourself above the role you play you can never forget it

>> No.15221406

>>15221345
This implies peace is a desirable situation

>> No.15221623

Reality contains its own knowledge and is its own knower because it is what it is.To know one must have a capacity to know. To experience there must be an experience. Different knowledge is obtained in different ways. One must have within them or in some way partake of or be related to or be in, in order to know x,y,z knowledge. The knower is his own knowledge. knower and knowledge are the same thing or at least two different sides of the same coin or one part of the other and therefore the other part of the one. The knower is absorbed in knowledge and knowledge is absorbed in knower. Knower and knowledge is a Unity. Knowing and knowledge is sex. Knowing is active and knowledge is passive. Knowing is passive and knowledge is active. When I come to know something I have given birth to something new, a new experience. I try to conceive of that which I wish to know and then I give birth to something because the first two unite and make a third. The question is what did the knower unite with in order to produce what they gave birth to.

>> No.15221820

The Trinity as three persons/mask is how God knows himself and reveals himself to himself. The Trinity is God's activity. In the Trinity is separation and unity. Non-dual does not mean one. The only word they had was non-dual. We have the word called the trinity. Creation EX nihilo means everything was made from God. God gives birth to the Son and the son returns to God. This forgetting or separation and return is God's Eternal Joy. The son is crucified or emptied and therein is the creation revealed. The creation is saved and reunited to the Son, raised from the dead. The son in emptying himself reveals creation. That is creation EX nihilo. Eternally we have always abided in God. But this out breathing of God is creation and the process of starting from nothing and going to everything like a point in eternity and infinity. Process exists and God becomes. this is possible because of the infinite nature of God pre-containing all potentiality in his godhead. The Trinity is God loving himself as other and same. He is only revealed completely in the Trinity as only God sums God up. There is no separation between the godhead and the trinity. Separation is not outside of God, it is instead one of God's things that he does in himself. The son returns to the father and his kingdom the holy spirit is revealed. God overflows with himself. God is at peace and full of joy. You are God's food and God is your food.

>> No.15222069

>>15221292
Still didn't answer what is implied. If Maya is not Brahman whence does it derive its power to create the world? Obviously, assuming nondualism, the Real would be Brahman. But all the rest is unreal? Gaudapada says that the world is not unreal as the children of a barren woman. What is something that is neither real nor unreal? It would be better to say that the world is real and reality has degrees (instead of saying degrees of unreality which is absurd). But then, I ask you again, whence comes this power of reality? Maya cannot be separated from Brahman and have eternal power, hence it is not separated from Brahman.

>> No.15222266

The son is real and the creation born EX nihilo is unreal in comparison, though their core is God. Creation is a clothing and the Son is the person. God's love is such that he wishes to love himself and he wishes to love so much that he wishes to love not-himself even though all that can be is he. He wishes to love unconsciously as a creature separated from himself. He wishes to consciously love as a god his creatures. He wishes to love his divinity as divinity. He wishes to love creature as creature. He wishes creature to love God. These are God's pleasures. God loved himself so much that he gave birth to All Creatures for the sake of love. The game has been going on for a long time and thence we find ourselves here.

>> No.15222333

>>15222069
The answer is that consciousness is maya.
Consciousness creates quick sketch models from sense data (which itself is limited) and this is a highly inaccurate illusion.
The real world is there, your senses report what they can of it, consciousness makes a simple model from that report, we believe that model as long as we get a result we expect, that is to say, as long as the models keep us alive and sheltered and fed and so on.
Consciousness itself is the source of the illusion of maya.

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>>15211438
>>15214433
>>15212229
>>15215716
>>15218079
>>15218629
>>15221345
>praying to "Krishna"
>praying to strange gods
And God spoke all these words:
“I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.
“You shall have no other gods before me."

>> No.15222457

>>15222448
Your god seems pretty strange to me

>> No.15222555

>>15222448
>And God spoke all these words:
>“I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.
>“You shall have no other gods before me."
If you brought me out of slavery then you are the god of freedom. I have no strange God, I have only he who dwells in me. If you did not dwell in me you would be a stranger. You are not a Faraway authoritarian, you are the God and lover in my innermost being. Egypt is the Flesh and the flesh makes divisions but you brought me out of this and so I do not belong to tribes of men who fight and war against each other. You have conquered this land and it is yours and it is mine.

>> No.15222689

>>15222448
I was never a slave in Egypt, nor was any ancestor of mine. My people are thousands of miles away from Egypt.

Your desert god is a foreigner.

>> No.15222731

>>15222333
nonsense
explain satcitananda
consciousness is the observer of all, it does not create anything, it witnesses everything; hindus use this very word as divine (again, satcitananda)

>> No.15222962

>>15222731
>nonsense
sums up non-dualism and hindu idolatry pretty well

>> No.15223019

>>15222962
the midwits are filtered easily by nonduality

>> No.15223040

>>15222689
you're a (metaphoric) slave in Egypt right now.

>> No.15223053

>>15223040
I don't believe that the old testament goes into such depth of metaphor and it strikes me as nonsense hermeneutics, however I'll ignore this. How am I a slave in Egypt right now?

>> No.15223144

>>15222731
Explain it in what sense?
Sat: truth/existence, so Reality
Chit: consciousness
Ananda: bliss
Yes, you've deified consciousness, and declared it primary to and external to mind and body.
That's arbitrary and based completely on turning consciousness onto itself.
Consciousness sees itself in the mirror, and instantly sees God, like any narcissist.
You keep saying that awareness, which is attention modeling itself, is the root of all existence and in fact composes all existence because that is where you make all these models of sense data.
But declaration is not fact.
There is a reality, which our senses poorly report on, and consciousness makes a model from that poor report.
You have deified it for doing so.
I defy you.
A pathological liar, simply by being witness, is not God.
You simply assume that since you are aware of awareness, that since it is distinct from emotion and reason, that it is a spooky ghost, and that it composes everything.
That assumption is colorful and it can help you achieve detachment. That's nice.
I can get detached through depersonalization, from recognizing consciousness for what it is: a liar.

>There is nothing more futile than to consciously look for something to save you. But consciousness makes this fact seem otherwise. Consciousness makes it seem as if (1) there is something to do; (2) there is somewhere to go; (3) there is something to be; (4) there is someone to know. This is what makes consciousness the parent of all horrors, the thing that makes us try to do something, go somewhere, be something, and know someone, such as ourselves, so that we can escape our MALIGNANTLY USELESS being and think that being alive is all right rather than that which should not be.
~Ligotti on Buddhism

>> No.15223146

>>15222448
Did you know that Judaism was originally henotheistic, as in they recognized the existence of the other gods within the Canaanite pantheon, but worshiped YHWH as their national god?

>> No.15223154

>>15223053
>How am I a slave in Egypt right now?
you believe in larpagan talking points which shows me you have no objective morality and a pseud understanding of religion.

>> No.15223168

To be clear, the bliss part is from turning consciousness onto itself, so it can endlessly loop back on itself.
This limits or obliterates consciousness of the actual external world and it's hardship.
That's the bliss, the bliss of mental autofelatio as a means of avoidance of reality.

Fucking pathetic.

>> No.15223195

>>15223154
>you believe in larpagan talking points
I'm not a pagan, I was responding to your literal statement that I was a slave in Egypt saved by Yahweh. I'm not a slave, nor have I ever been, nor were my ancestors.

>which shows me you have no objective morality and a pseud understanding of religion
Baseless strawman.

>> No.15223215

>>15223144
when im aware of awareness im aware of the awareness of awareness. consciousness is ever elusive; god is not simply consciousness, im not a nondualist
all your take (including ligotti's obviously) is pure sentimentalism

>> No.15223245

>>15223215
Sentimental HOW?
Sentiment about what, for what?

>> No.15223261

>>15223168
Kinda retarded as in high bliss states one can perform most efficiently in outer world , this is state where one is nonseparate but makes distictions from everything. Think of it as limitless movie

>> No.15223401

>>15223195
>I'm not a pagan
what are you then

>> No.15223447

>>15223261
You can go to work drunk and high too

>> No.15223462

>>15223261
That's called dissociation, it's a mental illness

>> No.15223491

>>15223447
it is god tier flow
>>15223462
retarded hylics dont understand such states its impossible not even drugs can give them glimpse of true reality . No refrence point of what is real forever stuck in a dream

>> No.15223602

>>15223401
I study Kashmiri Shaivism and Vedanta

>> No.15223638

>>15211163
We knowers know not ourselves.

>> No.15223674

>>15223602
>I study the profane art of invoking a false profane deity and praying to it
So a pagan?

>> No.15223895

>>15219259

Shankara was doing the best he could with the inferior metaphysics he had inherited. What's your excuse?

>> No.15223899

>>15223602
Study Shaktism, faggot

>> No.15224106

>>15223895
this is the superior metaphysics , plebian

>> No.15224196

>>15223674
There's one and only God who underlies, sustains and creates all of reality. You're the one attributing a false face to the infinite and worshiping it.

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>>15222448
>who brought you out of Egypt
Don't remember it lol.